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Anonymous No.64129767 >>64129769 >>64130401 >>64131421 >>64131628 >>64137448
Machine gun thread
Anonymous No.64129769 >>64129775 >>64129780
>>64129767 (OP)
>Nutsack with a face
Anonymous No.64129775 >>64129780
>>64129769
Anonymous No.64129780 >>64132376 >>64158661
>>64129769
>>64129775
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Anonymous No.64130397 >>64162522
Anonymous No.64130401 >>64131610
>>64129767 (OP)
Anonymous No.64131421 >>64131656 >>64132283 >>64136508 >>64140026 >>64144957
>>64129767 (OP)
i love ts so much it's unreal fr
Anonymous No.64131610
>>64130401
It's perfect. It's like the M2HB's Adderall infused little brother.
Anonymous No.64131628 >>64131848
>>64129767 (OP)
>HK421
Doesn't this thing weigh as much as a baby elephant?
Anonymous No.64131656 >>64136049 >>64136508 >>64137407
>>64131421
Reminder that they chose a Sig POS over this and the TV RM338. I'm genuinely demoralized at thie point.
It had a fixed rail and selectable open/closed bolt setting, so if its mechanical accuracy was good it could have served as both a GPMG and a sniper rifle. Damn.
Anonymous No.64131848 >>64133536
>>64131628
LSAT just vanished? After around 2012 there is just zero information
Anonymous No.64132283 >>64133536 >>64144957
>>64131421
>I love [the REAPR]

Same bro. It is deceptively small and light for what it is. It’s also the coolest looking MG

My contribution to the thread: the KAC AMG.
An AMG with some type of laterally opening feed tray either like the REAPR or the EVOLYS, chambered in 6.8x51, would be the moggiest GPMG.
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Anonymous No.64132376 >>64133648 >>64167622
>>64129780
>HK421 why aren't you at your post?
>HK421, do you copy?
Anonymous No.64132777 >>64133935
Anonymous No.64133003 >>64133046
Everyone should be building the Portuguese HK21s. Fully legal closed bolt beltfed for a shockingly low price if you can round up a little cutting and welding assistance. The FRT options are growing as well. They take some time but aren't difficult to build with only 3k in parts. Comparing it to the technically superior, more modern options that you can't afford or can't even get, it wins hands down.
Anonymous No.64133046 >>64133133 >>64136962
>>64133003
PKM kits using ar triggers exist though. Brand new plus zastava is bringing in Serbian parts kits.
Anonymous No.64133133 >>64133175
>>64133046
I have dabbled in those as well and I am not a huge fan as a practical civilian gpmg. It's AK-like in that its crude but reliable, but the 21s also seem to be trouble free at the rate most people can afford to feed them. The pkm closed bolt conversion is rube goldberg, barrel availability varies year to year, and the American made receivers I've gotten in hand have been poorly laid out and badly bent. I also don't know how so many people make rewelds work other than lowering their standards for fit and finish, because I'm a pretty good welder and I don't touch them because I know the result won't be up to my standards.
Anonymous No.64133175
>>64133133
I can also put a long enough rail on the 21 to fit almost any optic, laser, thermal I want. You can get there with the pkm but its not nearly as straightforward.
Anonymous No.64133536 >>64137457 >>64141053
>>64131848
IIRC LSAT and CTSAS existed until about 2018 when they got folded into NGSW, AAI then submitted two new designs for the new 6.8mm projectile
>>64132283
Man, I hate how much the small arms industry hates innovation. BTW the LSAT and Textron NGSW-AR both had the laterally opening feed tray too.
Anonymous No.64133648
>>64132376
Anonymous No.64133726 >>64133906
Always loved the look of the HK21
Anonymous No.64133906 >>64135810
>>64133726
Indeed
Anonymous No.64133926 >>64144319
let me guess, you need more?
Anonymous No.64133935
>>64132777
Did the Mexicunts clone ANOTHER H&K gun? Kek
Anonymous No.64135810 >>64140049
>>64133906
Anonymous No.64136049 >>64136065
>>64131656
>TV RM338
General Dynamics. TV wasn't involved with that one.
Anonymous No.64136065
>>64136049
They were, it was LoneStar/TV. They even sued SIG.
Anonymous No.64136508 >>64136819
>>64131656
The fact that Micah couldn't even hold the Sig 338 steady without falling on his ass but the big ass RM338 just smoothly chugged in his arms with no complaints from him whatsoever is what ultimately convinced me Sig is sketchy and finding a way to exploit the trials

>>64131421
RM277 and this would be a dream. An army armed to the teeth with not-FG42s and MG42s, it would be fucking awesome and everyone knows it
Anonymous No.64136819 >>64141730 >>64149264
>>64136508
>RM277 and this would be a dream. An army armed to the teeth with not-FG42s and MG42s, it would be fucking awesome and everyone knows it
This was basically Jim Schatz's idea. Two cartridges (6.8 & .338) in place of three (5.56, 7.62, .50) for simplified logistics and overmatch.
I disagree honestly, replacing just the M240Bs with .338 is probably a better idea since 7.62 is the least significant doctrinally and pretty close to 5.56 anyway. You get increased capability and overmatch essentially for free without overburdening your close combat guys with an oversized gun. With enough imagination, .338 could even become a DMR cart.
Anonymous No.64136962
>>64133046
Where are you finding a PKM kit these days? I would get one if it was available, easily one of my top 3 dream guns.
Anonymous No.64137407
>>64131656
>selectable open/closed bolt setting
It doesn't actually, it's exclusively open-bolt. That would be a cool feature though, the RM277 already has it.
Anonymous No.64137448
>>64129767 (OP)
new Combine contract?
Anonymous No.64137457 >>64139963
>>64133536
why is he carrying an extra stock?
Anonymous No.64139963
>>64137457
>if that sling isn't attached to that stock and around your shoulder at all times, you're on latrine duty for a month, do you understand me?
Anonymous No.64140026
>>64131421
SEEEEEEEEEEXOOOOOOOOO
Anonymous No.64140049 >>64140158
>>64135810
They need to make a much cheaper version without the quick change barrel. I'm pretty impressed by the gun and it is looking better and better since I have taken the Super Safety Pill, but I am confident that a closed bolt non QC belt fed isn't going to have a cookoff in my hands.
Anonymous No.64140158 >>64140213
>>64140049
Look up the Lima Six project
Anonymous No.64140213 >>64141037 >>64144411
>>64140158
Thanks anon. Any range reports?
Anonymous No.64141037
>>64140213
It's currently being beta tested. So far I hear success with super safeties.
Anonymous No.64141053 >>64141730
>>64133536
why....why does he have a spare buttstock? Am i missing something here? the FN MAG series doesn't even need it on to fire does it?
Anonymous No.64141730
>>64136819
>.338 could even become a DMR cart.
The LAR-BT6 weighs less than the M110 and isn't that much longer, so it could work. You could experiment with a bullpup too, but the barrel doesn't have to be as long for a DMR.

>>64141053
Vehicle-mounted M240s often don't have buttstocks, maybe he's carrying one so they can use one of those dismounted?
>inb4 it's just an inside joke
Anonymous No.64141766
https://youtu.be/5o8VMe_DBi4
Anonymous No.64144319
>>64133926
yes
Anonymous No.64144411 >>64144446 >>64144664
>>64140213
https://youtu.be/R9FHzpRik5I?si=YkJhkQe_7KynZ36T
https://youtube.com/shorts/0twc7OYlsZ8?si=C_syMQg-bOf1vtky
https://youtube.com/shorts/8EvXpxL6OYY?si=ooWHMRkhKrJCAbIg
https://youtu.be/BMzvI6R5Dro?si=dD54HVhyb3s3ztfL
https://youtube.com/shorts/oI30pFRLA0w?si=RLdWF9DWUxByZI1z
Anonymous No.64144446
>>64144411
>shorts
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0twc7OYlsZ8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8EvXpxL6OYY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oI30pFRLA0w

>tracking/embeds
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R9FHzpRik5I
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BMzvI6R5Dro
Anonymous No.64144664 >>64144805
>>64144411
FRT belt fed or FRT quattro 15? discuss
Anonymous No.64144805 >>64146658 >>64150265
>>64144664
How many people have M27 links? How many people have quattro mags?

D60s>beltfed>quattro in realistic (lmao) larp situations.

I'd rather have a d60 over a legitimate GPMG too. No one stocks 308 deep enough for one of those desu.
Anonymous No.64144808
MG3 SEXO
Anonymous No.64144815 >>64151075
M2 also sexo
Anonymous No.64144957
>>64131421
I think its the best looking newish machinegun. Only thing is im a bit skeptical of the barrel change. Im sure their system works great i just feel like if theres not a carry handle its wrong. I always think its way larger than it actually is.

>>64132283
Kac amg is cool too. Imagine what we would have if machinegun ownership wasnt so heavily restricted.
Anonymous No.64146658 >>64146938 >>64150265
>>64144805
D60s fucking suck and break easily, and aren't practical for regular use other than as a starter mag. You can get a near lifetime supply of links for $800. If this is an obstacle, you're really not funded and supported well enough for organic or higher level support weapons of any sort and are better served focusing on the individual carbine. The mg is the most casualty producing component of an infantry squad, but if its too limited you have done nothing but take a rifleman away. My unironic advice is to have wealthy friends in your squad if you want to expand your capabilities in any real way, because I can't claim to be personally able to afford to feed a beltfed and I'm not going to cope and have a useless 'mg' for larp just because it looks cool on paper. I had a D50 ARPK for a while but using it and really asking the hard questions about employment led me to abandoning it as a concept, and now I leave the saw/gpmg role to others that can write the checks.
Anonymous No.64146689
Have any of you ponied up the play money to shoot a machinegun? Shit's so fucking sick. Now I do it every time I swoop through vegas
Anonymous No.64146938 >>64147592 >>64150796
>>64146658
NTA but I'm finding that the IAR concept is not necessarily a cope, seeing as it was invented by the military, but it certainly has limitations that people only discover once they build and run one. A buddy of mine has a Red Right Hand upper on a rifle lower, and with tuned rifle gas, rifle buffer, HEAVY barrel, and a bipod it is pretty controllable at around 550 rpm, but from what I've seen doing less than that leaves you with a gun that's not very effective at any distance. I can't speak for the D60 personally... what kind of reliability issues have you seen?
Anonymous No.64147592 >>64148163 >>64151069
>>64146938
Jamming, laborious reloading process, they're absolute hell for load carriage, and I've seen two break and get warrantied. One was only loaded twice. None of my d50s broke but I'm simply not going to carry 5 of the bulky bastards accessible to make it worthwhile. The reliability issues are why I don't like them specifically, the other reasons are why I don't think they're much of a force multiplier for volume of fire. Surefire 60s are fractionally better on all of those counts but getting pricey since they haven't made more of them.

I don't think the IAR is a bad concept, it just cannot detract from the rifleman role. Just like the SPR. A do-all rifle that can do more without compromise is great. I know a meu iar gunner that uses a d60 as a starter mag, and that's fine if it works for him. But a lot of people stretch the iar into the arpk idea and most of the time what they cook up is a very poor GP fighting rifle.

For your friends gun, 500 rpm is doing extremely well. I've worked with some people on rate reduction stuff for various AR based guns and they'd be thrilled with that
Anonymous No.64148163 >>64150796 >>64150796
>>64147592
Thanks for the feedback. Yeah, I find that 20" ARs with super safeties in general run at around 550-600. With a lightweight bolt carrier group they are more like 850, which is perfect for something like a SAW but it of course weighs double what an M16 does and is a lot more controllable. I kinda want to try those hideous ATI Schmeisser mags desu...
Anonymous No.64149209 >>64149604 >>64164276
Anonymous No.64149264 >>64150421
>>64136819
>30% less ammo than your opponent
>overmatch
Anonymous No.64149604 >>64150196
>>64149209
>cast steel receiver
fucking why?
Anonymous No.64150196 >>64152554
>>64149604
because HK
that's why
Anonymous No.64150265 >>64150269 >>64150796
>>64144805
D60 is dumb. Cheaper and easier to run 50 round pmags with a +6 basepl8.
>>64146658
D50 makes a bit more sense.
Anonymous No.64150269
>>64150265
*40, obviously.
Anonymous No.64150421
>>64149264
Yeah, they seem to have missed the memo regarding fire support and the fact soldiers can't see shit 98% of the time.
Anonymous No.64150796 >>64150829 >>64151358
>>64146938
>>64148163
It’s hilarious how the world is just now learning of the utility of a mag-fed, unified rifle and machinegun. Yeah Jim Sullivan spent a huge chunk of his career designing such guns only for them to be slept on.

Constant recoil ultralight carbines fed from quad stacks are 100000% the next evolution of the infantry rifle. The beltfed LMG will be obsolete. An evolution of rifles in any other direction is a mistake.

>>64148163
You know how when a black man sticks around to raise his kids, doesn’t steal, and changes his smoke detector battery, he gets vitiligo and turns white? Well the exact opposite of that is gonna happen to you if you buy a Schmeisser mag. Before long you’ll find yourself toting a 7” AR with a naked buffer tube, no sights, and a cookie cutter muzzle brake, shooting into the dirt with poor footing and no hearing protection on.

In all seriousness, you might find them a bit too long. The Surefire mag5-60’s were far more manageable (~1” shorter than PMAG40s), but those are discontinued now..

>>64150265
Drums are a non-starter just for being the least mass and volume efficient way of carrying and feeding ammo (20.5oz empty d60 vs 6.5oz empty surefire mag5-60.. 3 extra pounds per 210rd load). They’re also a PITA to carry.
Anonymous No.64150829 >>64151035 >>64175536
>>64150796
Yeah, but in a very specific use case (ambush, static defense) an initial 100 round drum is badass.
Anonymous No.64151035
>>64150829
I’ll concede that drums are sensible if and only if you absolutely need a quantity of ammo in your gun right now that exceeds the capacity of box mags. Where capacity >>>> mass/volume/convenience.
Anonymous No.64151069
>>64147592
NTA. A rifle should not be pushed deep into LMG territory. It is possible to increase the controllability, accuracy, and overall usefulness of full auto of a standard infantry rifle, leaning more into what it was meant to be from its inception - a high VOF medium range SMG - without making compromises. Mostly this amounts to lightening everything except the barrel and BCG (whose mass you would increase), incorporating constant recoil, and feeding from quad stacks. But you’re never gonna match the sustained fire capability of a 249 or whatever from a 6 or 7 pound gun.

This sweet spot of 500-550rpm btw is the natural cyclic rate of a constant recoil 5.56 action. You should (though I’m sure you have) watch videos of the ultimax 100 and the ArmWest Mg10 being fired full auto. It’s mesmerizing.
Anonymous No.64151075 >>64151552
>>64144815
What’s with the thing covering the spade grip? How do you shoot it?
Anonymous No.64151358 >>64153584
>>64150796
My dad had several of the surefire mags but they were wholly unreliable, even running semi auto and babying them. Which is really too bad since, yeah, they were just right on the size.
Anonymous No.64151552 >>64153584 >>64155265
>>64151075
The Mount the Danes have it in (this was on a thetis class OPV) uses horizontal grips and a brake lever style trigger for the right hand, the pole sticking off the bottom of the mount rests on top of the shooters shoulder.
Anonymous No.64152554 >>64155199 >>64155325
>>64150196
Seems kinda retarded. Why not make a stamped steel receiver like everyone else?
Anonymous No.64153584 >>64153789
>>64151552
I didn’t notice the handlebars and brake pedal. That’s a really neat way of interfacing with a mounted MG.

>>64151358
I wanna say your dad got unlucky. I know some of the mags floating around there were not perfectly reliable, but towards later on in their production life did get much better. Some guys had complaints, some guys didn’t, just depends on luck.
Anonymous No.64153789
>>64153584
Rheinmetall also make a version of that mount for the mg3. Honestly looks pretty comfy.
Anonymous No.64154457 >>64155478
God I love machine guns
Anonymous No.64155199
>>64152554
Takes a licking and keeps on ticking
Anonymous No.64155265
>>64151552
Norwegian Vinghog softmount, Finns use version of this mount for their NSV HMG.
Anonymous No.64155325 >>64155332
>>64152554
That's why the HK421 exists now
As for why they went with cast on the MG5 rather than stamped sheet like on the MG4 before it, no idea
Anonymous No.64155332
>>64155325
Greater durability and longeviity.
Anonymous No.64155478
>>64154457
they are kino
Anonymous No.64158661
>>64129780
Anonymous No.64158833 >>64159402 >>64163623
machine pistol but is it (reasonably) possible to get a beretta 93 in the us?
Anonymous No.64159402 >>64162343
>>64158833
lol
lmao
Anonymous No.64159666 >>64159675
It's over.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xNOlm-oQvE4
Anonymous No.64159675 >>64159678
>>64159666
Anonymous No.64159678 >>64159681
>>64159675
Anonymous No.64159681 >>64159685 >>64160323
>>64159678
Anonymous No.64159685 >>64159688
>>64159681
Anonymous No.64159688
>>64159685
Anonymous No.64159867
^neat
Anonymous No.64160323 >>64160783
>>64159681
Why do all of these new machine guns try to push all these expensive weight saving measures with exotic materials on ancient designs? Wouldn't it be better to just make a new gun? Does the handguard HAVE to be calcium titanium borosilicate or whatever instead of polycarbonate or even PEEK/CFRP?
Anonymous No.64160783
>>64160323
>on ancient designs
Not sure but in the case of the Barrett LW series they're using the 240 as a basis, and in that instance the FN MAG 58 (which in 7.62 has sort of become the M2HB of its caliber, an unsurpassed design) is a good template.
I don't know enough about some of the other GPMG/LMGs how 'new' or clean sheet those designs are
Anonymous No.64162343 >>64173889
>>64159402
or any other machine pistol that isn't a glock
Anonymous No.64162440
how bad really are the cardboard boxes or tin boxes vs the gaywad nutsack belt feeds
Anonymous No.64162522
>>64130397
SOVL
Anonymous No.64163623 >>64167617 >>64170200 >>64175795
>>64158833
checked, it was discussed recently on /k/
apparently ? many or most of the few thousand 93Rs circulating in the U.S. are some kind of modification by an armorer/gunsmith, can't recall the specifics but point being it's not possible to find an original factory Italian 93R here.
Anonymous No.64164276 >>64165416
>>64149209
>not enough mg34s out there to ever be included in these side by sides
Shame. Would love to see it next to the mg4, 121, 421
Anonymous No.64165032
Anonymous No.64165416
>>64164276
Lineage-wise it ought to be, but idea behind that photoshoot is currently-serving Bundeswehr MG3 with the newer HKs
Anonymous No.64167617
>>64163623
ah thats too bad, theres not many guns i want enough to shell out (relatively) big bucks for but that would definitely be one of them
Anonymous No.64167622
>>64132376
kek
Anonymous No.64167665 >>64168358 >>64169510
there's something i just can't shake in hating machine guns that have a rifle (be it AR15 or FN SCAR style) buttstock on them, it just looks like deformity. I don't mean on say, SAW like an RPK or something though, but something about it just looks so incredibly off.
Anonymous No.64168358 >>64169510
>>64167665
Yeah, should have more boxy stock to match the boxy receivers.
Anonymous No.64169510
>>64167665
>>64168358
all of them now come with 'rifle stock' and 'collapsible (para) stock' subvariants
What about pistol grips? When you look at a MAG 58 that grip looks tiny
Anonymous No.64170200 >>64171461 >>64175795
>>64163623
>some kind of modification by an armorer/gunsmith
I know that there's a story of a guy who got the blueprints pre-1986 and made like 5x clones of the 93R and 1x unique 93R which is made of titanium.
All the post-1986 samples I have no idea. The slide is milled differently and the frame has a slot for an autosear right in front of the hammer. Don't know if it's possible to modify normal 92 parts for that.
Anonymous No.64171461 >>64174301 >>64175795
>>64170200
checked, yeah iirc they're actually 'clones' of 93R not real thing, most of U.S.-circulating.
Not sure if any Italian factory 93Rs exist in United States (pre- or post-1986)
No, I think the 93 is too dissimilar internally to the 92
Anonymous No.64173435 >>64174313
Ameli >>64167433
Anonymous No.64173889
>>64162343
Anonymous No.64174301
>>64171461
>No, I think the 93 is too dissimilar internally to the 92
Crazy thing is, I had to look it up and gunsmiths did modify 92s to stand in as 93Rs in movies.
Anonymous No.64174309 >>64175539
Anonymous No.64174313
>>64173435
Anonymous No.64175536
>>64150829
How much does that weigh loaded?
Anonymous No.64175539 >>64175805
>>64174309
>No sound, no target inclusion
Shit post, shit cameraman.
Anonymous No.64175795
>>64163623
>>64170200
>>64171461
Interesting. I recall the guy had contact with Beretta in Italy and would buy enough "spare" parts to make new guns with on US made frames. When Beretta caught on they told him to kick rocks lol.
Anonymous No.64175805
>>64175539
>no sound
lurkmoar newfag
Anonymous No.64177688