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Anonymous No.64130831 >>64130835 >>64130908 >>64131345 >>64132233 >>64133112 >>64133160 >>64134261 >>64134455 >>64138996 >>64140701
How come I don't hear about this anymore?
Anonymous No.64130835 >>64138890
>>64130831 (OP)
Theres a supressor on the rifle thats why.
Anonymous No.64130836 >>64131943 >>64132233
A thread died for this zero context shitpost
Anonymous No.64130908 >>64130912 >>64130926 >>64132238 >>64138759
>>64130831 (OP)
>grain
lmao just use grams, retards
Anonymous No.64130912
>>64130908
go back to /sci/ you retard
Anonymous No.64130926 >>64130939 >>64131301 >>64133160
>>64130908
grains is a more accurate measurement than grams
Anonymous No.64130939 >>64131351 >>64132511 >>64140888 >>64140925 >>64141448
>>64130926
How many grains/oz
>437.5
How many mg/g
>1000
How the fuck is an ancient measurement based on a wheat kernel remotely more accurate than a standardized base 10 one?
Anonymous No.64131301 >>64133160
>>64130926
It's a more precise measurement than grams. Then again, it's less precise than milligrams. The accuracy is as good as your equipment.
Anonymous No.64131345 >>64131349 >>64132014
>>64130831 (OP)
Because they used a proprietary cartridge. They should have just released the cases in common calibers
Anonymous No.64131349 >>64133362
>>64131345
>They should have just released the cases in common calibers
Inevitably leading to dumb fucks shooting high pressure ammunition in guns that were never designed to handle it.
Anonymous No.64131351 >>64131894 >>64131899 >>64133160 >>64134163
>>64130939
Grains are a traditional measure for both powder and projectile weight in small arms. It delivers the necessary specificity for the application, and doesn't need to be replaced because it's a niche field.
Anonymous No.64131894 >>64133418
>>64131351
Grams are readily/easily converted to other units and other uses which enhances the usability of the measuring unit.
>how much does 100 rounds of your given ammunition weigh when you measure one to be 26g? 26g * 100 = 2600g = 2.6kg
>how much muzzle energy does your bullet have when you know it weighs 4g and has a velocity of 900m/s? 0.5*0.004kg*900m/s^2 = 1620J
Anonymous No.64131899 >>64131927
>>64131351
Also very convenient, because weโ€™re always dealing with at most 3 digit values.

I donโ€™t like the units we use for BC. Zero point something something. I know it doesnโ€™t matter but the numbers might be easier to deal with if we used grains per square millimeter. The BC of m855 becomes 1.64 instead of 0.15 and so the digits after the point carry more precise information.
Anonymous No.64131927
>>64131899
Fuckall does that have to do with the 7mm brokeback?
Anonymous No.64131943
>>64130836
The thing with these kinds of technical topics, is if you need the context; then you don't have anything useful to contribute. Like what are you going to do if you were given context, proffer some shallow conjecture based the first few results of a google search? OP is looking for people who know the answer, not guesswork.
Anonymous No.64132014 >>64133362
>>64131345
>They should have just released the cases in common calibers

Pretty sure there will be 5.56 available at some point.
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/eCCC9GV9Uhc

Pretty sure more manufacturers will also offer something similar. We already have shell shcok, sig...
Anonymous No.64132028 >>64132070 >>64132243 >>64133504 >>64138784
What's with every thread derailing into metric superiority?
Anonymous No.64132070 >>64132243
>>64132028
yuros migrated here since the ukie-rus war and have been shitting up the board ever since
Anonymous No.64132233
>>64130836
good, it was probably a no gunz ukraine thread
>>64130831 (OP)
because it's too niche
there aren't many hunters anymore
in 2009 like 1 in 3 hunters lived in a place where you could only shoot durr with shotguns anyway and even if that number went down due to straight wall rifle laws, none of those places require some special hyper round anyway
you can just use a .30-30 in basically any place people actually live because you aren't shooting beyond 200 yards anyway
most guys would rather just buy an el cheapo .308 or .30-06
so shit like 7mm back country or any of the other nonstraight walled weirdo hyper rounds are limited to guys who demand the very best round and will pay for it and who live in some weird place that no one actually lives in where they can hunt past 200 yards
Anonymous No.64132238
>>64130908
eat shit, yuro. invent guns yourself if you want to standardize on gay shit like grams and mms
Anonymous No.64132243
>>64132028
>>64132070
yuros just got internet via cell phones in the past few years and are shitting up the whole internet. but yeah a bunch of no gunz yuros are shitting up /k/ with ukraine slop
Anonymous No.64132511 >>64134629
>>64130939
Burgers are retarded, what else is new?
Anonymous No.64133112
>>64130831 (OP)
imo it doesn't quite offer enough advantages over the competition. On paper it does the same ballistics as 7prc or rem mag with a 4-6" shorter barrel and slightly cheaper factory loads. In reality, it would need to do it in an 8-10" shorter barrel and cost half as much to make waves. That and people aren't pining for a new 7mm.
Anonymous No.64133160 >>64138769
>>64130831 (OP)
Too many calibers being released without immediate economic viability so barely anyone adopts it.

>>64131351
>>64131301
>>64130926
>grains are more accurate than grams
>have no concept of decimals
Anonymous No.64133362 >>64140870
>>64131349
Undoubtedly. The mentally retarded + lawyers ruin everything for everyone else. A half solution would be to stick to the very modern smol calibers. I would love a 6 arc that could match a 6 creed, or a 6.5cm that could match a PRC.
>>64132014
Yeah I saw that. The shell shock stuff also looks pretty cool.
Anonymous No.64133418 >>64138920
>>64131894
So you want the whole small arms industry to switch all of their established equipment for measuring grains to something else? Sounds needlessly complicated and expensive to fix something that's not broken.
Anonymous No.64133504 >>64133540 >>64138770 >>64138959 >>64140870
>>64132028
I handload and I still think grains is a stupid measurement, but since all my equipment and manuals use it I don't really have a choice. Also sometimes you get retards that do this.
Anonymous No.64133540 >>64134318 >>64134436 >>64138770
>>64133504
that's complete horseshit, there's no way 30 grains of any powder would fit in a 38 special shell
Anonymous No.64134163 >>64134173 >>64134174 >>64134193 >>64140870
>>64131351
>Grains
is every grain ever produced the exact same size, weight, density?
if so then sure grains works
if not then grains are a worthless measurement
Anonymous No.64134173 >>64136421
>>64134163
that's completely retarded, the measurement of grains has been standardized. Nobody literally goes out and grabs 15 grains of wheat to measure out their charge weights. That'd be like using your own foot to measure feet and expecting accuracy.
Anonymous No.64134174 >>64136421
>>64134163
lmao get a load of this retard
you remind me of the dumb motherfucker who saw "5 grains of powder" in a loading manual and was counting them out with a pair of tweezers
Anonymous No.64134193 >>64136421
>>64134163
Do you know how units of measurement work?
Anonymous No.64134261
>>64130831 (OP)
Turns out the megapressure meme wasn't worth the tradeoffs.
Anonymous No.64134318 >>64134324 >>64134342 >>64134360 >>64138752
>>64133540
Let's put that theory to the test.
Anonymous No.64134324
>>64134318
proceed
Anonymous No.64134342 >>64134348 >>64134360
>>64134318
First up, 30gr of Unique.
Anonymous No.64134348 >>64134360 >>64134367 >>64138752
>>64134342
Well that's a bust. Maybe a ball powder will play nicer.
Anonymous No.64134360 >>64134367
>>64134318
>>64134342
>>64134348
Anonymous No.64134367 >>64134375
>>64134360
Not done yet.
>>64134348
How about some 296?
Anonymous No.64134375 >>64134379 >>64134404 >>64138752
>>64134367
That's much closer. Wonder if I can compact it?
Anonymous No.64134379
>>64134375
do it
Anonymous No.64134404 >>64134425
>>64134375
No, can't compact that any. Total overflowing charge of 296 weighs in just under 26 grains. I was going to do H110 but the powder volume is pretty close to 296. Looks like you can't put 30 gr of powder in a .38 case, but I'll bet you can fit 20 and still seat a bullet.
Anonymous No.64134425 >>64134436
>>64134404
20 gr win 296
158 gr SWC
Let's find out.
Anonymous No.64134436 >>64138752
>>64134425
Sure doesn't look like it.
>>64133540
You are correct, you can't even do it with 20.
Anonymous No.64134455
>>64130831 (OP)
I think a lot is just that it's still pretty new. It got a lot of hype when it was released and at SHOT when everybody was announcing guns for it but there hasn't been a ton to talk about since then.

I live in Central Oregon and there's a lot of long-range hunting here and further east, plus elk are a big deal, so people run pretty potent cartridge, things like 6.5PRC and 7PRC, .300WM, etc. are quite common. I suspect 7BC will get decently popular here, especially since suppressors are also becoming increasingly common, but I'm not sure there are enough places like this to really make it take off on a large scale.
Anonymous No.64134629
>>64132511
America went to the moon, yuros haven't gone to the moon, haven't invented AC and have invented trannies
Anonymous No.64135287
Never in my life have I feared so much for the wellbeing of some random dickhead on the internet
Anonymous No.64136421 >>64139248
>>64134193
>>64134174
>>64134173
none of you answered my question so im going to assume its because im right and you are to ass blasted to admit it.
Anonymous No.64136433 >>64141285
>be a metric nigger autist
>get 100% assblasted that a highly specifc field doesn't use the metric system
>shit up a thread about it and accuse others of being assblasted
like clockwork lmao
Anonymous No.64138752
>>64134318
>>64134348
>>64134375
>>64134436
Thank you for redeeming this dogshit thread.
Anonymous No.64138759
>>64130908
Grams are clumsy compared to grains.
Anonymous No.64138769
>>64133160
>using decimals
Yeah that's how you blow guns up.
Anonymous No.64138770 >>64140678 >>64141323
>>64133504
>>64133540
If he actually meant grains, doesn't underfilling create a pressure spike by having more surface area to deflagrate simultaneously?
Anonymous No.64138784
>>64132028
>metric
B29somethingsomethingatomicbombsomethingsomethingmoonlandingsomethingsomething.
Anonymous No.64138890
>>64130835
Underrated
Anonymous No.64138920 >>64139133 >>64140532
>>64133418
Everyone serious already does it in metric because doing any sort of math is so much easier.
They keep grains around for retarded fudds and consoomers.
Anonymous No.64138948
Seems like he is really done with that life.
Anonymous No.64138959
>>64133504
TIL 15 grains in a gram
Anonymous No.64138996
>>64130831 (OP)
>performance upgrade out of significantly shorter barrels for weight reduction and/or OOL w/ can
>or more efficient compensator performance with mo gas either set up
>approaching ludicrous speed from standard length barrels

The numbers don't lie, but hotrodding wildcat early adopters are always whales for niche uses (mountainous large game hunts and open plains long range). It'll be around longer and wider than 6.8 Western at least.
Anonymous No.64139133
>>64138920
>Decimal is easier
>But the people using the traditional and more nuanced system are the dumb ones
Anonymous No.64139248 >>64141282
>>64136421
You are genuinely stupid.
Anonymous No.64140532
>>64138920
>everyone serious
>except every ammunition manufacturer on earth
Lol, lamo.
Anonymous No.64140678 >>64141323
>>64138770
Bump, is this a thing?
Anonymous No.64140701
>>64130831 (OP)
Just use 556 in an AR, stop falling for meme calibers meant to separate boomers from their savings
Anonymous No.64140870 >>64141297
7mm backcountry is an odd chambering to introduce your 80kpsi cases to the world with. The applications of a magnum action do not place a premium on cartridge volume and mass. Intermediates would be far better served with peak alloy cases.

>>64133504
Dumbass confused gr and g

>>64134163
If you donโ€™t like the word โ€œgrainsโ€ then use a different word. It doesnโ€™t matter. Itโ€™s just a fine unit of measurement, 1/7000th of a pound. It works for extremely lightweight things like bullets and powder charges without needing to waste characters like โ€œ0.0024lbsโ€ or whatever.

>>64133362
Itโ€™s not a lawyer thing. If the SAAMI spec for a cartridge specifies 60kpsi, then every barrel maker and action maker ensures their guns are capable of withstanding that - not 80kpsi loads. If one is to introduce some new 80kpsi cartridge, it can not be reverse-compatible with legacy chambers not designed for that bolt thrust. Itโ€™s not about people being retarded or litigious nonsense. My gun shouldnโ€™t fit a cartridge that looks just like the normal cartridges but will blow it up.

I also want to see intermediate 80kpsi cartridges. And since 80kpsi now necessitates the creation of new chamberings, maybe we can finally get some sensible cartridge design with short cases and long ogive bullets. 5.56 can seriously be improved with such a process without exceeding its current dimensional envelope.

>shell shock cases
Itโ€™s hard to overstate the significance of NAS3 cases both allowing for higher pressure and lightening the case mass at the same time. All of this is tantamount to a drastic decrease in cartridge weight - about 3 grams saved per 5.56 case if you retain the same muzzle energy. ~1.4lbs per combat load. Feeding them from quad stacks saves even more weight, and using lighter but finer bullets saves even more. We have the tech now to give everybody a 350-400 round combat load of a 5.56-analog with zero weight penalty.
Anonymous No.64140888
>>64130939
Why would I ever need to convert? I'm using the domain specific measurement for a reason. How do euros manage to fuck this up every time?
Anonymous No.64140925 >>64141538
>>64130939
I'm not adding ounces of powder to my cartridges
Anonymous No.64141282
>>64139248
>still incapable of answering my question
Anonymous No.64141285
>>64136433
>doesn't use the metric system
clearly it doesnt use any system and "grains" can be any size, shape, weight, density and no one knows or cares about it.
Anonymous No.64141297 >>64141336
>>64140870
>1/7000th of a pound.
> 64.79891 mg
thats retarded
it also doesnt answer the shape, volume, density of the "grain"
if i have a long thing stick "grain" that is 64.79891 mg does that count as a grain?
Anonymous No.64141323 >>64141394 >>64141529
>>64138770
>>64140678
It actually is. Digging through Hogdon's data it looks like 3.5 gr is the starting load for titegroup in 38 spl. The problem gets more pronounced when moving to really high volume cases, it's very tricky to make mouse fart magnum loads and manuals have warnings against doing it.
Anonymous No.64141336
>>64141297
Once itโ€™s defined at a unit of mass with reference to the pound, the etymology of โ€œgrainโ€ and what it was defined in terms of before ceases to matter. If you have a thing with mass, regardless of shape or volume, and 7000 of them weigh a pound, then the thing weighs 1 grain.

The kilogram is this way. It used to be defined in terms of one thing (I think literally a bell-shaped chunk of metal defined to weigh 1 kilogram) and some time ago it was redefined in terms of the meter, second, and Planck constant. The bell doesnt matter anymore.

>what about density
Density is mass over volume, not mass by itself. Mass is not a unit of density.
Anonymous No.64141394
>>64141323
I should clarify that using inert (relative to powder) combustible materials to take up extra case volume is a thing. Paper, fine cloth patches, or cotton batting can all be used. Still not something I'm keen to fuck around with very often though.
Anonymous No.64141448 >>64141632
>>64130939
are you aware you are discussing with bored MAGA USA NOMBA ONE NIGGA BBC teens out of school during summer break? they cant even read an analogue clocks, but hell, they can shitpost.

of course metric>imperial british measures of pre 1776.
only stupid niggers would prefer imperial.
Anonymous No.64141529 >>64141624
>>64141323
Apparently with certain wadcutters you can load as little as 1.9 grains. Guy who kaboomed his revolver used a different bullet type, I guess we'll never know what he really loaded it to.
Anonymous No.64141538
>>64140925
Get bigger cartridges.
Anonymous No.64141624
>>64141529
Probably because that's a wadcutter with either a high crimp or a flush seat. Here's the Hogdon data I found, direct from Hogdon. Or it could have been a double, or triple charge. Or it's made up bullshit using two different photos which, considering my failure to fit 30gr of powder in a case, and considering the density of titegroup, is possible.
Anonymous No.64141632
>>64141448
I'm not in an empire so I don't use imperial