Thread 64130984

>>64130984 (OP)
I wonder if we're reentering the paratrooper era? Even the Russians dipped out on a beach landing yet made multiple heliborne assaults with relatively little issues.

>>64130984 (OP)
>relatively
This word is doing Atlas-level lifting in your statement.

>>64131013
>yet made multiple heliborne assaults with relatively little issues.

>>64131021
>all those VDV fucking wasted on the trip to hostomel
Heliborne assaults work if you just let a lot of your helis blow up on the way to the objective. Just drop flares lul

>>64131013
relative to what? jumping directly into the volcano?

>>64130984 (OP)
>YELLOW PERIL

>>64131013
>yet made multiple heliborne assaults with relatively little issues.
When and where? Because I remember their helo assaults getting BTFO constantly. I used to have the WebMs saved, but my SDD took a shit and had to start my collect over. Someone has them. If you do, post them, I need them.

>>64131013
>Russians dipped out on a beach landing yet made multiple heliborne assaults with relatively little issues
they had so few issues they never needed to even pick those VDV guys back up again.

>>64130984 (OP)
Pretty cool, only problem is just that China has more drones and more drone production capabilities to flood the strait with their own drones that intercept to these suicide drones. Not to mention, China won't deploy their amphibious forces before attaining air supremacy over the strait, which means that Taiwanese suicide boats have to survive 24/7 UAV surveillance.

>>64131044
Was there a specific one you wanted that you remember? Sorry for your STD drive.

>>64131084
So are we talking shahed style gas drones or battery drones? Because no battery powered drones can cross the strait.

>>64131112
Looks like both sides will try to fill the strait with as many gasoline powered unmanned boats as possible.

>>64131100
That's the one! Thanks.

>>64131123
That sounds retarded and Taiwan would have the advantage here by just loading them full of explosives or making them minelayers

>>64130984 (OP)
Do they have VLSs or do they just ram into ships and explode? If it’s the later wouldn’t they be trivially easy to detect and sink before they got anywhere near a modern ship?

>>64131130
Anytime.

>>64131130
Screw it, one more.

>>64131202
>>64131176
>>64131100
Air cav is so fucking cool, I'm sad that modern AA has completely shut them down.

>>64131269
They didn't. Russia is just shit. Their pilots are ill trained, have minimal flight hours, poorly maintained helos, and their countermeasures are just there for moral support.

>>64131276
And even if none of that were true (but it is) the operation would still be planned by an alcoholic retard.

>>64131133
Every drone based war will be a war of supply chains and industrial production.
Dunno if Taiwan can compete with a nation that builds one Million electric cars a month.

>>64131563
Industrial production grinds to a halt when the raw materials and food imports don't get through the Malacca Strait.

>>64131084
China has about a 15% chance of success if the USA gets involved and a 40% chance if we don't.
Taiwan isn't some fucked nation, 2/3 of them are willing to die rather than be captured and every single one of them has prior military experience.
Not to mention priority one is going to be landing 50,000 US Marines on the island and if that happens China's chances are about 4%
Failure means the death of the PRC's legitimacy and a loss of the civil war.

>>64131563
Those million cars a month might as well be driven into the strait. China can create a bridge made out of E-waste and drive their tanks over it.

>>64131013
How? They would get shot up/blown up by fpv drones as they float down.

>>64131585
I don't want to be That Guy, but who knows if the current administration would follow through on our pledge to support Taiwan or just threaten tarrifs while making rotating claims about the deals he's making before declaring that he never said any of that and blame Obama for any bad outcomes. Like really, who fucking knows?

>>64131026
I mean that Anon isn't wrong.

The VDV and their Helicopters made it from Point A to Point B...
They just didn't survive after making it to Point B.

>>64130984 (OP)

You can detect a surface drone with a sonar from kilometers away. You can literally hear an outboard engine 2-3 kilometers away while underwater and snorkeling, even if it so far away that you cant hear it trough the air. The success of ukrainan drones is a large extent due to russian technological backwardness.

>>64131629
>The VDV and their Helicopters made it from Point A to Point B
A sizable percentage of them did, not close to all though.

>>64131709
>You can literally hear an outboard engine 2-3 kilometers away while underwater and snorkeling
I think most USVs use pump jets/impellers.

>>64130984 (OP)
The question is how much we can produce and how many of them are stored in a known location reported by a spy and will be bombed day 1.
>t. Taiwanese that'll soon die to protect the US chip factory island

>>64130984 (OP)
Perhaps a stupid question, but how come underwater drones haven't rendered submarines obsolete?
Imagine putting sonar on a sacrificial platform that doesn't care if it's spotted, fire a torpedo at your target with that information, and unlike planes you have practically zero maneuverability underwater so you're dead the moment you get fired on.

>>64131585
>2/3 of them are willing to die rather than be captured
lol
the Taiwanese can see what happened to Ukraine and that US is not a peer competitor for China, the attitudes are shifting fast
reunification will be peaceful, and that is a good thing since I'm not some empire-brained, bloodthirsty mutt peasant looking for cannon meat to expend

>>64131624
I'm pretty sure the military has made it plainly clear to even an absolute retard like trump (they're used to talking to crayon-munchers) that losing Taiwan in 202X means losing control over the entire pacific, and all the consequences to American naval hegemony as a whole that this entails.

>>64131013
Drone cold war bro, all drones loitering, all the time.

>>64131202
>Those grey skies
That reminds me, wasn't there speculation that Xi told Putin to push his invasion back by a month or two so as not to fuck with the Winter Olympics that were being hosted in China at the time which in turn led to the Russian armor being forced to use roads rather than cutting cross-country because the ground had started to thaw?

>>64132175
Taiwanese aren't stupid and nothing about reunification will be peaceful. Imagine becoming a slave because it's less work than fighting.

>>64132175
>Reunification will be peaceful
Just go into the cage and spend the next five years of your life in reeducation camp learning the proper methods to become a slave.
China's military will get fucking stomped when placed against an actual military superpower. These are millions of your single child families having their entire ancestral bloodline cut off when they're rushed into combat with an adversary willing to delete them without a second thought. How many of your little emperors want to die for the communist party?

>>64132194
Yes, that was a prevailing theory around that period for the poor invasion timing. Another influence was/may have been Dugin's 02/22/2022 magic numbers numerology numbskullery.
https://youtu.be/BGFsSPV-jWU

>>64132208
>muh slaves
deranged cope, there is no definition of "slave" that would apply to the Chinese, but not to peasants like you
>STOMPED
well, sadly we'll never confirm this

>>64132234
Spend your whole life working and saving
Say one wrong thing and the Chinese government empties your bank account and locks you out of banking services.
All of that money was going to your mortgage to pay for your house that was owned by the government anyways
Slavery.

>>64132251
you probably already have a screencope ready if I question your fantasy, because if it happened exactly this way once or *gasp* a dozen times, this means chinks are literal hecking slaves
there is a whole world outside your copium den

>>64132234
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_Chinese_slave_scandal
The 2023 number is 5.8 million Chinese people living as outright chattel slaves on any given day, not even counting the more subtler forms of slavery like mentioned in >>64132251
A weirdly conssitent pattern is that other asians also love to enslave Chinamen, both Cambodia and Myanmar have whole camps of Chinese slaves to this very day for operating mafia-run scamcenters.

>>64132263
haha, you're so mad that bugs don't have free lives lmao.

>>64131563
China has no resources for that the moment they declare war

>>64132266
so when you said the Chinese are slaves, you actually meant that there were abuses in the past, and some human trafficking happens too
where do these numbers trend? up or down?
>>64132277
I'm only disappointed with how subhuman you are, mutt
it is below even your dignity to cope this hard and this stupidly

>>64132286
So when you said
>no definition of "slave" that would apply to the Chinese
You were outright lying under bad faith?
And your reading comprehension, I gave the 2018 graph numbers of 3.4 million and said the 2023 is 5.8 so you do the math? https://www.walkfree.org/global-slavery-index/country-studies/china/
Also, NTA

>>64132307
Holy kek how did it get worse by a magnitude of nearly 2x

>>64130984 (OP)
>New Taiwanese naval drones
why are these naval drones always floating and never diving?

wouldn't it be way smarter to have small loitering submarines with some extremely low frequency or acoustic terminals underwater that signal positions where to go / explode?
the com terminals are an obvious weakpoint, but you gotta find them first
and unmanned submarines can be made completely quiet and with sonic stealth

>>64131202
Now imagine if that idiot flipped the phone to film the entire horizon.

>>64132286
>thirdie shithole championer
>still calling others mutts
it's embarrassing how much you try to use that term when it applies far more to you than any american.

>>64132286
No I don't mean some Chinese, I mean ALL Chinese with the exception of the politburo and those rich enough to store their money overseas.
I'm not talking about the Uyghurs picking cotton in Xinjiang for free, I'm talking about the drones working 70 hours a week to pay for a house the government can demolish whenever it wants and which you'll still be responsible to pay the mortgage on your newly demolished home with no value.
China is so heavily in debt from printing money it can't afford a war right now. It's people are so impoverished they don't know their government printed trillions of Yuan to keep the economy afloat after Covid. The Chinese people are being paid with printed scraps of paper with no value the government printed out of thin air to do real labor, that's what a slave is.
The slaves on the plantations got free housing, food, and healthcare too. It's about the same quality the Chinese get.

>>64132307
>outright lying under bad faith
projection
individual mutts are subject to forced labor, and are trafficked, the only difference is how many zeros there are 0,[here]1%
what that mutt claimed is that Chinese are slaves all, systemically
>it goes up
there are NGO-manufactured numbers for any narrative, I'm asking about your own estimation
it's clear China has been growing and continues to grow wealthier and more civilized, their numbers for poverty-related abuses are trending down for decades
but maybe you believe Choyna is actually decaying
>>64132413
>muh thirdies
applying this to China is high caliber cope
>p-please don't call me a mutt
I'll think about it, mutt

>>64132424
>ESL
>Coping, hoping, and doping
>Huffing that Chinese copium
Pakistani 100%

>>64132419
after stripping the cope framing
>state has ultimate say over peasants
>apartments expansive
>high denbt
>money printing
unheard of!
their denbt is very reasonable, by the way, if you count their GDP the way US GDP is counted

>>64132426
>muh ESL
the final /k/ope, I guess we are done here
I'm Polish, mr mutt

>>64132427
China's debt/GDP ratio is even higher than Japan's is. The reason China doesn't try to take Taiwan isn't because they can't, it's because their economy will collapse.
It's something like 300-400% while the US is about 121% despite having such a high debt.
Meanwhile, China is amassing warships and building massive cities to keep it's people working and they're printing money to do so, which works in the short term to improve a thirdie economy but China has been doing it for almost 30 years now.
In war, a full embargo will destroy China internally, and 1.4 billion Chinese will go back to eating each other just like they did in the 1970's.

>>64132379
>why are these naval drones always floating and never diving?

>price/complexity
you'll be able to make 20 effective surface drones for the price of one drone sub
>flexibility
you can deploy those 20 surface drones wherever you need them at short notice. drop them off from a fishing boat, get a container truck to the beach, airdrop them from planes; and they'll go the last mile themselves at speed. the sub drone you're describing operates in a more limited area at low speed and the communication issue limits possible uses.
>maintenance/logistics
suface drones tend to be deployed hours to days before they engage. The sub drones you're describing feels more like 'sea mine that can chase you down', and they'll need to be constantly deployed. so you need to figure out how to charge them, clean them, and maintain them on a regular schedule.
>surprise
they will be developing these. They're more expensive, used in a niche role, and a lot of the value comes from them not being seen. The first time you want an adversary to find out about it is when they start losing ships.

>>64132438
>Choyna is collapsing, fake economy
literal mental illness
>300-400% if you count the denbt just right!
what debt does this include, compare to US, and remember to adjust Chinese GDP by at least 1.5x (2x+, really) to have a comparable baseline

If i was taiwan I would really reconsider how valid the US support was after they started talking about blowing up the chip factories in case of a possible chinese invasion

>>64132464
It was their idea. Taiwanese people really hate the idea of reunification and most of them would rather die, so blowing their valuable chip factories to hell as a last resort isn't such a bad idea.

>>64131084
China will never attain air superiority. Even without the USA there, Taiwan has some very modern AShM and anti-air weapons.
We never publicized everything we gave the Taiwanese because the Chinese would throw a shit fit. Hardened communications equipment resistant to hacking and jamming, modern anti-air radars and weapons, guided rocket systems, avionics.
Taiwan is going to be a bloodbath for the Chinese. It's a trap and Xi Jinping knows it. The Chinese are itching for war just like the Germans were before WW1, and they don't understand that a second century of humiliation is forthcoming.

>>64132150
Maybe some combination of
> launching it reveals your position
>it maneuvering away reveals your position
>long-range comms are complicated underwater
But the competent navies are working on it anyway and would tell us if they had mastered it.
Even the face-first regimes are coy about the silent service.

>>64132522
>The Chinese are itching for war
it's americans who are absolutely howling for war you retarded faggot, literally as soon as anything chinese is mentioned some 400 pound alabama homeboy has to spam 200 posts of grainy CCTV footage from 2002 of chinese traffic accidents because they have a seething fear and resentment towards anyone who can possibly challenge the USA #1 status even if it's through entirely peaceful means within the american-led world order. I'm sure if ireland somehow became the #1 industrial nation of the world the new york post would start reprinting anti-irish issues of Puck like it's 1899 again and the public would start bombing irish pubs in boston. In WW1 americans would kill local dachshunds because it was a "german" dog. In the simpsons the springfielders are kicked up into an angry mob for literally any reason, that's how americans are in reality, it's barely an exaggeration.

>>64132544
I don't think we are discussing whether individual citizens want war, but rather if those in power want war.

>>64131585
China has enough missiles pointed in the area to sink every US ship in the pacific five times over if they’re dumb enough to try intervening.

>>64132553
I don't think the chinese would be so stupid as to attack it now when things are looking up for them, it's a waiting game, and I have seen no signals from the CCP that they are itching for war. Go on and prove me wrong however

>>64130984 (OP)
>Could
>Could
I COULD fuck Sydney Sweeney, too

>>64132539
>would tell us
*wouldn't

>>64132544
>it's americans who are absolutely howling for war
If that were true, Ukraine would have her '91 borders already.

>>64132544
This seethe is so pure its smokeable. I'm going to miss your posts after you finally completely lose your grip on reality. Don't let that happen fren, your posts give me much joy.

>>64131592
You're confusing the static warfare dominated by drone coverage to some dude landing in your backyard unexpectedly. It's a big difference.

Basically all gains the Russians got were from vdv units conducting deep heliborne assaults followed by a retreat of Ukrainian units avoiding being encircled by follow on troops.

People are just fixating on the Kiev axis which was ultimately not successful and ignoring essentially every advance. Ground units unironically did worse see the entirety of the Donetsk front moving negligibly since the start and Sumy offensive completely collapsing.

>>64132182
Interesting theory and probably a likely outcome but it'll take time to coordinate that with civilian traffic.

>>64132641
i am seething because sweden should have a nuclear bomb and US interference stopped it
hell umeå

>>64132671
>he doesn't know about the Mjölnir II program

>>64132721
>mjölnir
it's mjölner (also oden, tor, valhall, frej, asgård, midgård, ragnarök, etc)

>>64132558
America has enough missiles in the area to saturate China's missile launchers in the mainland and with an order of magnitude better accuracy.
You better hope you're not a missile crew in a hot war because you're going to get vaporized.

>>64132544
This is retarded because a large number of Americans around the 1900's had German ancestry and we're first or second generation Germanic.
They would have been the Irish or Italians otherwise.

>>64132424
>applying this to china is high calibre cope
most of china is still a thirdie shithole, the only parts that have reached western levels are some of the inner parts of the biggest coastal hive cities.
their IQ is also fake bullshit just like all their other statistics, their real average IQ is probably somewhere around 90
>p-please don't call me a mutt
i didn't say that, i just said it was meaningless coming from a third world brownoid like yourself, mutt is a funny word for us europeans to make fun of our burger friends, it just happens to apply 1000x harder to your ilk, thirdie.

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>>64132671
Cope

>>64133396
germans were absolutely terrorized into dropping all political and cultural ties to germany which is why 0.2% of americans speak german. i'm talking arrests, murders, discrimination, laws, etc.

>>64132180
The problem with Donald isn't that he's retarded. The problem is that he's convinced that he's the smartest man in the room at any time and surrounded himself with yes-men. The fact that he changes his mind every 15min doesn't help either.