Thread 64131956

If you mag dump your 10/22 at a charging grizzly what are your chances?

>>64131956 (OP)
maybe like 10% (it gets scared of the gunshots and runs away)? unless you somehow manage to hit his eyeballs it probably wont do shit.

>>64131956 (OP)
Very high, nearly 100% if you can into any decent shot placement. People have killed bears a number of times with .22 LR. "Mag dumping" means you get about 25 shots off. There's very little in the world that can survive that; even 10 rounds would be devastating.

Depends how good your groupings are.

>>64131956 (OP)
Very good. Bears don't have armor and despite the memes aren't magic.

>>64131956 (OP)
<1%, there's no way a .22 is getting through the hide so you'd need to hit one of his nose or one of his eyes
>that is, all if your gun isn't jammed of course >:P~

So according to this thread the round can simultaneously pierce the bear's skull and bounce right off its fur. Very perplexing.

>>64132046
>pierce the bear's skull and bounce right off its fur
That's what you get with weak sissy .22 rounds. A .45 would bounce right round its skull and kill it proper.

>>64132046
No, people are just retarded. A 22lr oftentimes can't penetrate a thick leather jacket, much less a bears fur. These idiots are looking at rare events where someone did kill a bear with a 22lr but it was something ridiculous like walking right up to it and putting one directly in the bears ear.

>>64132114
>No, people are just retarded. A 22lr oftentimes can't penetrate a thick leather jacket
Can you provide an example?

>>64132114
Ears are not solid bone >>64131975

>>64131965
A gunshot will no doubt be the loudest sound a bear has ever heard. And it’s hearing it 10 times back to back. But will this be enough to scare it away?

>>64131975
I have to remind myself, everytime I see a picture of a skull, that not everything is a dinosaur, crocodile, or cyclops. You know how dogs are cute and frenly? Picrel is a dog skull. Straight out of your nightmares.

>>64132114
>A 22lr oftentimes can't penetrate a thick leather jacket
lol

>>64132185
>Picrel is a dog skull.
>picture says "Gray wolf"
>skull is marked the same, "Canis lupus L." ("L." being a second "lupus") = gray wolf
About that being a dog...

>>64132246
Yeah I noticed after I posted. I looked up “canis lupus skull” for a pic. It’s the same thing (mostly). Your dog Fido’s skull looks like that. Picrel is the skull of a German shepherd (I made sure this time lol), very similar to the grey wolf skull. both are artifacts pulled from nightmares.

>>64132253
Dog skulls tend to have shorter snouts and more rounded braincases AFAIK. Often more pronounced saggital crests too (especially running towards the center instead of being just in the back). Very close but not quite the same; many of dog breeds just have horrifically fucked up looking skulls. That isn't to say they don't also have huge teeth and tons of muscle but their heads are all kinds of fucked up. I've seen enough dog skulls to immediately notice the difference (most of the time) as I've spent a lot of time not only finding my own skulls but IDing them on forums; very rarely people do find dog skulls for whatever reason. Pic is a pit for reference.

>>64132303
What are the odds that I’d blunder a picture of a dog skull and there would be a dog skull expert ITT to set things straight? I saw that it said grey wolf, and I thought “nah, it’s cool, nobody’s gonna nitpick”. I’m not mad even though it sounds like I am, just what are the odds?

>dog skulls have shorter snouts.
Not all though, right? Like a borzoi should have a pretty long one.

>many of dog breeds just have horrifically fucked up looking skulls
I’m vaguely aware that dogs are sort of an affront against nature. Like a middle finger to Darwin. Is this true?

>I find my own skulls
W-what?

>>64132370
>What are the odds that I’d blunder a picture of a dog skull and there would be a dog skull expert ITT [...] what are the odds?
I'm no expert just someone into taxidermy and bones because I like to learn about animals lol. (read: nerd)
>Not all though, right? Like a borzoi should have a pretty long one.
You're right there, I mean in general/on average. Can't say I've ever seen a borzoi skull; that thing would probably be something straight out of a horror movie lol. Even a grayhound or whippet might be nuts. I also forgot a lot of dogs (relative to their skull length/snout height) have relatively tall braincases/tall eyebrow ridges compared to wolves.
>I’m vaguely aware that dogs are sort of an affront against nature. Like a middle finger to Darwin. Is this true?
Most dogs are reasonable if a little fucked up compared to a wolf, the worst being small dogs mostly. But pugs...holy fuck no wonder they have respiratory issues. No snout to speak of meaning they have no room for their tongue, their eyesockets are too small/don't have any surrounding bone to hold their damn eyes in properly IIRC, and I'm sure I'm missing more. And Shih-tsus have basically the same issues. I have to wonder how in general the taller+shorter braincase affects dogs, but I'm sure that's one of the side-effects of selecting for aggression removal; canines tend to get rounded ears, etc. when selected for being "friendlier"/more domesticated each generation (see: silver fox domestication).
>I find my own skulls
>W-what?
I walk in the woods and find skulls anon, nothing crazy lol. Wild animals die, they get eaten and picked at, and often the head is left pretty well intact (maybe minus jaws). Eventually I'll often find it once it's picked clean and all I gotta do is the remaining 1% of the work with soap (degrease/remove dirt), a brush, and maybe 3% peroxide to disinfect. Then glue teeth in/jaw halves back together (water soluble so it can be reversed in case of mistakes).

>>64132370
A short continuation to that, most of what you end up finding is raccoons and deer. If it isn't a deer, it's probably a raccoon. If it isn't a raccoon, it's probably an opossum (easy to tell the difference because of the saggital crest, long snout, and number of teeth). If it isn't that then it's a squirrel. Probably from there you're next-most likely to find a groundhog followed by skunk, then fox, then coyote (they're very hard to find around here live or dead). Most of what I find is a similar scene to pic (generic from flickr). Skull in water or in leaves. Often much whiter than this. Sometimes the whole skeleton will have stayed in the same place, though often something carries either every other part off or just the head and this is all you find. Not a hobby for the impatient and it's best (least aggravating) as a bonus to hiking/hunting as while you can get booms in finding skulls, often you'll go weeks without anything to show for it. Once you've collected:
>deer
>raccoon
>opossum
>squirrel
>groundhog
You're probably going to hit a wall until you find a skunk.
>but birds
Like 70% are illegal because of the migratory bird treaty act or whatever it's called and pretty much the other 30% are regulated under game laws which vary by state.

>>64132185
>>64132253
>>64132303
Mal0/SCP-1471, my beloved...

>>64132514
Don't.

>>64131973
>survive
The problem with bears isn't killing, but stopping them. Since they're large and aggressive one would still charge at you and most likely succeed before succumbing to deadly injuries.

Still the chances are probably much higher than doing nothing. OTOH if it's not advancing I'd rather take the time to aim while slowly backing away, shoot if it follows, dump if shot fails or bear charges.

>>64131956 (OP)
Don't do this, the round is so weak the bear will just take the gun from you and use it against you.

Better than pepper spray.. but honestly it probably depends more on the bear at this point.. if it’s stumbled upon you it might get spooked and fuck off.. if your saying it’s legit charging you then your gonna have a hard time getting rounds off before it’s on you.. they move a lot faster when motivated than I think people consider..

>>64131956 (OP)
Very high. Shoot it in the dome and you'll make it.

>>64132114
>22lr oftentimes can't penetrate a thick leather jacket, much less a bears fur
This has to be deliberate misinformation.

>>64131956 (OP)
Charging grizzly is the key here. Not good. Your chances are not good at all. You are not creating large enough wound channel volume to stop the animal. Shooting ang dg that is Charging means aim is hard. Hard enough as its moving. Harder more because the thing is Charging to eat you. Hitting center of the brown blob coming at you is doable. But hitting a brain or cns with a 22 and it doing anything from that angle after hitting fur tat and muscle isn't a high chance of that.
Nah, I wouldn't try it.

>>64132005
>no way a .22 is getting through the hide
Nah it penetrates fine, it's just that there's so much mass encompassing a bear that you're probably not going to be hitting anything critical immediately.
My pops accidentally killed a ~350lb black bear in the middle of a moonless night, during a power outage, with a 22lr.
Got him with a heart shot, of all the crazy fucking luck. Poor guy made it about 300 yards before he croaked.

>>64133493
But how about the bear? How far did he make it?

>>64133494
Straight to the gulag.

>>64133494
His dad was the bear cant you read

>>64131956 (OP)
10/22, or 5/11 death.

>>64133427
>Your chances are not good at all
Most charges are bluffs, most charges that aren't bluffs aren't fatal, and most defense cases with a firearm are successful even if the bear doesn't die on the spot, so your chances are actually pretty good.
>Nah, I wouldn't try it
You would if you had to.

>>64133733
One, I'm not fucking retarded enough to wander around in grizzly country with a 22. Or a 9mm. Quick post retard report written by and released by ammoland the people selling you 9mm as if a biased report means fuck all.
>>most
Grizzly 8 deaths out of 19 attacks.
>>most aren't fatal
Most is pretty fucking misleading here.

Everyone who says 22 is shit and weak, please shoot yourself with 22 and record it. Post it here.
Wear a leather jacket if you want to shoot yourself in the body, or a bike helmet if you want to shoot yourself in the head.
I am waiting.

>>64133799
22 is shit and weak. Its great for killing deer with head shots quietly. Or head shots on humans. It does achieve the depth or make a large enough wound channel volume. It lacks all the things you need in game 100lbs or more.
Feel free to shoot yourself as some moron level argument. Pencils aren't the most lethal weapon either, doesn't mean people go around fucking stabbing themselves with one.

>>64133819
Look how mad the cowardly little faggot is. Seethe more, it's funny ;^)

>>64133829
Calling you a retard doesn't mean I'm mad. It means I'm observant.

>>64133838
>Calling you a retard
...means you are too much of a sissyboy to put your money where your mouth is. Although you really enjoy putting your mouth where the money is, don't you, sissy-boy?

>>64133859
All my money is invested in the US woman's Olympic volleyball team.

>>64133867
>not investing in the gymnastics team
ngmi

>>64133871
The the female gymnastics team is traditionally all under 18. Thats pedo level

>>64132114
Bud iraqi888 showed .22lr can still pen 2x4s at 300 yards.
Stop talking out your ass.

>>64133886
He knows what he said, faggot.

>>64132875
>most likely
I hate when faggots make statistical statements without a shred of evidence.
Most likely means over 50%, MINIMUM.

The odds that a grizzly (stopped 99% of the time by 9mm) kills you after being "mag dumped" like OP asked are fucking astronomically low.

>>64133427
>But what if the bear is on PCP on a Tuesday
Porcupines and skunks stop bear charges you retard. Most predators panic when something unexpected and painful happens.

>>64133791
>Grizzly 8 deaths out of 19 attacks.
How many of the grizzlies were hit by literally any bullet?

>>64133886
16 is the age of consent in half the US and almost the entire rest of the planet you retard.

>>64134016
Fake facts by ammoland to sell 9mm
>>64134022
You aren't a porcupine or skunk.
>>most predators
>>most bears
Grizzly are not like most of these other things.

>>64134031
Gymnasts are often 12-14 pedophile. You are gross.

>>64134029
Guy shoots a grizzly in the head with a rifle. Flops over. Goes back to his house to have some coffee and give his 80 year old pecker a pull. Goes outside. Grizzly eats his fucking face.
>>Muh 22 muh skunk muh fake facts

>>64132005
>that is, all if your gun isn't jammed of course
Oh, so it's not just my 10/22 that hangs up on the feed ramp. (Or whatever you call it.) I only run round nose because any of the flat or hollow points will do it at least once a mag.

>>64134036
>>64134064
>All evidence is bad except for my dreams and fantasies
Your claim was first.
Provide statistics.

>>64134086
Lots of em will jam like that but its usually mag related.

>>64134432
All 3 of my mags do it. Maybe it's just Ruger and the rotary mag design being shit though. I should really try a BX25 or whatever but every time I look at them I balk at the price and I think the gun looks hideous with them.

>>64134369
You need someone to provide evidence of things that fall under common knowledge? Specially what one of these well known and documented facts are you strugglefucking with?
>>it 22lr does not reliably reach desirable depths on large and tough skinned large game
>>its hard to hit a target that is Charging at you that can kill you moreso to hit very small specific spots
>>it 22lr does not make a wound channel of a volume that will reliably stop large and dangerous game in a short amount of time

>>64134526
>Common knowledge
That's called fuddlore here

How many times has a bear still killed the person who shot it center mass or head, with any firearm, in the last fifty years? That's literally the only thing that matters, how often a hit still results in the shooter dying.

just offer him a beer instead

Gun and ammo companies have really talked bears up so they can sell you muh bear gun and muh bear loads to the point most of you gullible retards think they're some kind of armor plated killing machine instead of another dumb fucking animal.

>>64133791
"Grizzly country" includes the whole NW United States, Western & Arctic Canada and Alaska. You think no one hunts upland & small game? We shoot and carry .22's all the time, you're a retard and underage.

>>64133819
The OP's question was whether or not a magdump would stop a charging grizzly. It will absolutely penetrate a bear skull. If you had to use it, it would work.

>>64134036
>Grizzly are not like most of these other things
>GRIZZ, BOI
You've never even seen one, so fuck off

>>64133886
>under 18 = pedo

Not this shit again. Anon, do you want to kill people and feel really good about it? Or are you sour grapes over unused, puberty < x < 18 girls being off limits to you, by law?

>>64134086
>>64134439
NTA. Never had a problem with the rotaries but can't say I've shot enough rounds through them to know. I use BX-15s; they're comfortable for carrying and pretty reliable. Once they start to feel gritty or have a lot of black buildup on the lips, strip 'em, soak 'em in soap, and scrub all the crap off the feedlips. Don't scratch up the plastic. Try and get any grit stuck in the spring out, though I doubt it does anything. Try and get any grit in the spring ring or peg that goes in the spring coil out. I don't use any lube but dry lube may help. I've also tried to polish some of the feedramps but I really ended up finding that most hangups are caused more by dirt than anything else. Once you're cleaning your mags you may as well clean your gun too especially if shooting silenced. I shoot silenced (and not) with hollowpoints so unless it's your brand of ammo you're probably fine. CCI will no doubt feed just fine. As for the rotaries I do hear sometimes the spring tension gets fucked up when reassembling so you have to count your rotations or whatever to keep the right tension on the mag. BX-15s don't often cause issues when clean as long as you push the rim down, back, and make sure the nose of the bullet is clear of the front (round fully seated to the rear). You can also give them a tap on your hand like M16 mags to ensure they all sit back nicely after loading. If you have an older 10/22 without the paddle, though, it can be a little annoying to use the BX-15s, but not as bad as paddle with rotaries.

Also check what angle the mag sits at in the magwell and that the top of the mag doesn't touch the bolt; sometimes 22s are retarded like that and the 10/22 doesn't do the best job of having a rigid magwell. Maybe shim your mag catch spring and see if that does anything; companies do sell extra power mag catch springs. Weird issue, though, as mine usually pushes them 12 o'clock if anything (rarely). I also hold the mag as if a vfg.

>>64132185
>>64132253
>>64132303
So you're saying... skeletons are spooky? Woah.