Thread 64132995

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MIGAtards will not like that.
>inb4

>>64132995 (OP)
migatards will argue that if the US pulls all support for Ukraine Russia can take that land with far fewer casualties, so Ukraine should just give up and demilitarize.

>>64133000
Trump was subjected to a multi-hour lecture on pseudohistorical Putinistic history on why exactly it's ok for Russia to be an imperialistic, steppenigger state hostile against European civilization.
I doubt even the man himself will hold a good attitude towards the Soviet midget.

>>64132995 (OP)
A small price to pay

>>64132995 (OP)
Can Ukraine hold at this rate for 4 more years ?

>>64133016
Trump is the kind of guy who seems to believe whatever the last person who talked to him said so Rutte will just have to call him daddy again and we'll be back on the Russia hate bandwagon.

>>64133025
Can Russia?

>>64133000
>>64133010
It's wild how there's so many western supporters amongst the vatnik comments online, not just thirdies, proper bongs and burgers. I can kinda understand the sharp divide on the Gaza issue, but Russia has been our geopolitcal rival for around 100 years. Why the fuck would you be supporting them?

>>64133034
Junkies, actual sub 90 IQ retards, ideologue mutants with outgroup bias like shitlibs, complete fucking losers who just hate the status quo because they can't succeed in it, etc.
There's a whole bunch of hostile, harmful-for-civilization bloodlines that produce these antagonistic creatures.

>>64133031
Not answering.

>>64133034
you already know the answer, asshole

>>64133044
and why is that, eh? Ukraine's capacity to defend degrades but Russia's capacity to attack also degrades. and given the
>14:1
situation I think we both know where the general trend here is going.

>>64133047
Enlighten me.

>>64133042
>>64133034
Every class has some edgy kid in it that doesn't fit in the right hole. They're either very stupid or found smashing the square peg into the round hole just to spite everyone

>>64132995 (OP)
>as reported by the Ukrainian General Staff
is the weasel word they're hiding behind

the United Kaliphate has lost its credibility

>>64133034
Russia invests heavily in spreading propaganda in the west, and that propaganda is exactly what many retards want to hear. Someone like Tim Pool straight up takes money from the Kremlin to parrot their talking points and a good chunk of the American population believes him completely uncritically because he packages it together with domestic policy narratives they agree with.

They do this with leftists as well, they don't care who they back so long as the narrative they want spreads and creates issues for groups in western governments that would oppose them.

>>64133016
So long as kowtowing to Putin is cheap and easy he doesn't give a fuck.
All he cares about is getting his ego stroked and picking the path of least resistance to maintaining power.

>>64133068
Russia has 8000+ mosques

>>64133095
so?
I wasn't talking about Russia. what does Russia having mosques have to do with this?

>>64133025
If it continues to be supplied at anywhere near this same rate internationally, undoubtedly so.

>>64133029
It doesn't really work because Trump also thinks highly of some people and doesn't like others, and it's mostly for retarded personal reasons. And he fucking loves Putin, because he's everything a retard like Trump dreams of being.

Also the flip flopping prevents action, it's all just words and fumbling around. And this situation specifically favors Russia.

>>64133071
>Russia should use its special services within the borders of the United States and Canada to fuel instability and separatism against neoliberal globalist Western hegemony, such as, for instance, provoke "Afro-American racists" to create severe backlash against the rotten political state of affairs in the current present-day system of the United States and Canada. Russia should "introduce geopolitical disorder into internal American activity, encouraging all kinds of separatism and ethnic, social, and racial conflicts, actively supporting all dissident movements – extremist, racist, and sectarian groups, thus destabilizing internal political processes in the U.S. It would also make sense simultaneously to support isolationist tendencies in American politics".

Dugin made the strategy rather clear, there's no need to guess. Of course this also includes promoting any left winger trash that'll erode support for "left wing" parties. They wanted the left to not vote for Biden because he "supported genocide in Gaza". But ultimately it's all to get right wingers in power because they will cause the most damage. Not any right winger either, specifically the most destructive movement they could promote.

>>64133025
they can hold out indefinitely as long as EU does at least something(and they're ramping up)

>>64133101
You're the one talking caliphates, spelling it incorrectly because you're some kind of thirdy scrub or the ironically edgy kid that thinks spelling it with a K is kooler

>>64133025
Most likely.
>UKRAINIAN SOLDIERS SAY IT'S BAD
literally every soldier with the freedom to speak out in the history of forever says shit is fucked. you need to look at the numbers. The Russian pace of advance has increased marginally, but the casualty ratio has skyrocketed. It's true that Russia is exceeding recruitment goals while Ukraine is struggling but Ukraine's force generation is adequate to maintain the loose lines they have if morale doesn't collapse. Not adequate to get their land back, but adequate to continue the bleeding.
I think Russia is conserving AFVs for an opportunity for one final big motorized push and a hopeful return to maneuver warfare if they can break through the current lines but I don't think it has a high likelihood of working, even though the current lines will eventually fail.

Ultimately to preserve its independence Ukraine has to inflict ruinous damage on Russia's ability to wage war, otherwise they'll be back in a few years. The damage has to be generational in scale. Whatever agreements on paper they can get are basically useless and it's very unlikely that NATO countries will actually base there unless and until the war is settled.

>>64133128
what does all that have to do with Russia's mosque count, however?
you could also say "Russia has 227 airports". okay, and?

>>64133119
>ultimately it's all to get right wingers in power
you're still falling for the Russian propaganda shell game
the peanut is under neither shell
the objective is simply to get the shells to clash

by the way, back in 2014 it was the left wingers that were unwilling to support Ukraine, because Crimea was rightful Russian clay, it was full of Nazis, and Nazis are le bad

>>64133137
you're fucking retarded mate.
russia is a caliphate that's what that anon is telling you.
now go back to eating shit or whatever you do.

>>64133146
>you're fucking retarded mate
I'm way ahead of both of you, dipshit
other anon at least might have sensed it, that's why he's playing coy. you? you walked right into it like the overconfident Dunning-Kruger blockhead you are

>>64133034
>Why the fuck would you be supporting them?
the two dunderheads above just demonstrated why

>>64133010
Yes

Western-aligned "democracy" is not worth wiping out almost 100% of white men under 30 in ukraine nor is it any less corrupt than eastern-aligned "democracy"

If we just stopped giving a shit about russia they would be exactly like china. Unnerving for a brief period but then generational turnover would turn them into something like every other non-western nation on earth. Impotent and mildly annoying.

Like chinas next generation won't even eat dog and will probably depose xi in your lifetime. The cold war and all its proxy conflicts (including ukraine) amount to pointless human sacrifice in the name of literal geriatrics low IQ paranoid delusions. The greatest mistake human civilization ever made was giving control of the nations to the elderly.

>>64133034
>>64133071

>>64133068
Always projection with you lot.

>>64133130
There are only two ways Ukraine can durably ensure its independence :
>acquire nuclear weapons
>join NATO (which means acquiring nuclear protection indirectly)

>>64133173
>Russia, again
and now we have a third object lesson

>>64133159
>we should just tell Ukraine to surrender and let russia do whatever it wants
>western democracies are just as corrupt as authoritarian kleptocracies
Do the needful with a noose sar.

>>64133174
There's also a third way
>yet another collapse of the puccian state

>>64133159
The Ukrainians have specifically avoided drafting their young population, against the recommendation of Western advisors. Your post began with inaccuracy and didn't get any better.
>>64133145
Obama started the sanctions against Russia that definitely made it harder for them to prepare for 2022, and if Russia had kept it at Crimea there really wouldn't be any major problems for the international community, and even Ukraine. The invasion caught so many by surprise because it was such a bad idea for Russia.

>>64133173
Its laughable that we get baldfaced shills here trying to say anyone is bad or untrustworthy because "muslims" while ignoring all the shit like this.

>>64133029
>seems to believe whatever the last person who talked to him said
It's even simpler than that - he's got memory problems because he's fucking old as shit and has been on uppers of one type or another for decades.
Whatever the last thing is that he's heard about a topic is the only thing he knows about it, so he rolls with that.
If you're the Republican party, you couldn't ask for a better figurehead to push your agenda, because it's super simple to keep him on brand - whatever nonsense he hears from anyone, you can just set him on rails again thirty minutes before whatever meeting, signing, conference, announcement, etc. by having an aid give him the cliff's notes just prior.
Whatever the fuck Vladimir said during that meeting is immaterial. It doesn't fucking matter in the slightest. He might as well have been talking to a refrigerator.
An hour post meeting, bessent or whoever else is just going to clean slate the fucking guy and they're back to whatever the plan is.

>>64133197
I'm not a betting man, but the chances are there and the percentages for it to happen are better than average
Man does not live on banana alone, but Monke does and he's spent a lot of bananas

>>64133174
In the recent press conference in Brussels earlier today both VDL and Zelensky seem to both confirm or at least project that EU membership with its defence clause would also be a hardfast security guarantee as the NATO membership. So you can probably add that to the pile.

>>64133188
Yes. We should stop giving a fuck about other peoples internal disputes. Look what happens when china erases ughyurs: nothing. 50 years later they will just be big south korea. It's humanity's natural course of development. Let wars conclude naturally. Most nations are fake and gay anyways. The only thing that actually exists is genetic divides and deep culture (and in this case, before the invasion all anyone knew about ukraine was that they were thieves, liars, and pedophiles, and it was a reviled country called mini-russia and the CP capitol of earth).

Imagine if china intervened in every internal european war because of "the sanctity of international honor and sovereignty is being violated and we will not stand for this" and how absolutely fucked and riddled with puppet states and low IQ aggro tards europe would be as a result. All of the low IQ aggro tards in western europe killed themselves in the wars. Simply let the slavs have theirs.

>>64133159
>Western-aligned "democracy" is not worth wiping out almost 100% of white men under 30 in ukraine
Okay, and? At this rate, they'll wipe out 100% of men in Russia well before getting close to that.

>nor is it any less corrupt
Absolute delusion. There is no salvatiuon for you. Kill yourself.

>>64133210
But Ukraine is an independent country, it's not a matter of internal affairs. You keep being wrong at things.

Just ignore the vatnik blatantly trying to derail the thread because it further shows Russia in a bad light.

>>64133199
>Obama started the sanctions against Russia that definitely made it harder for them to prepare for 2022
and he gave the Ukes a handful of Javelins, big whoop
meanwhile the libtards were blaring out on all presses that Ukraine was shelling innocent civilians in Donetsk, Crimea is ethnically Russian, yadda yadda

you don't see them talking about that much now, do you?

>>64133180
Yes, Russia again. Aka the thirdie shithole state whose conditions you are projecting upon nin-thirdie shitholes. Protip: It's not working, subhuman.

>>64133159
>under 30
Ukraine is specifically not conscripting the 18 to 29 range for a reason anon

>>64133219
>meanwhile the libtards were blaring out on all presses that Ukraine was shelling innocent civilians in Donetsk, Crimea is ethnically Russian, yadda yadda
No they weren’t. Where are you pulling this from?

>>64132995 (OP)
>4.4 more years
Where the snail at?
>1 930 000
It's 1 930 000 more, mate.

>>64132995 (OP)
>Russia will fully control all four oblasts within this decade at the cost of millions of Russians
Is this unironically a great deal since this also means that the Euro Peons will be obligated to actually pay their fair share?

>>64133222
i thought it was under 25?

>>64133222
IIRC they lowered conscription to 25 recently. But it's correct that the every ukrainian is dying narrative is bullshit.

>>64133210
>other peoples internal disputes
There is no internal dispute here, only a genocidal war of aggression and brazen attack on the very international order that underpins our power, prosperity and security, by an actor outspokenly hostile towards all of these things that is undeniably waging a hybrid war against our nation and our allies.

>but muh uighurs
Kindly shove your worthless whataboutism back up your ass.

>Most nations are fake and gay anyways.
Nah, that's just the so-called Russia.

Kys, vatnigger.

>>64133230
>Where the snail at?
loaded up with polish duty free cigs and halfway back by now

>>64133210
Again sar do the needful and kill yourself. Maybe in your next life you'll come back as something less vile, like a rat or a worm.

>>64133229
>Where are you pulling this from?
Oh, didn't you know?
Well, let me show you, tourist

this is a sample of the usual mainstream media coverage of the Ukraine war at the time:
>bad Ukraine is using cluster bomb warcrimes on civilians!
https://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/21/world/ukraine-used-cluster-bombs-report-charges.html
>pro-Ukrainians are Nazi sympathisers! also, Crimea is ethnic Russian!
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/a-ghost-of-world-war-ii-history-haunts-ukraines-standoff-with-russia/2014/03/25/18d4b1e0-a503-4f73-aaa7-5dd5d6a1c665_story.html
>Russia saved us from Hitler you know! (in contrast to the Ukrainian Nazis)
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2015/05/08/dont-forget-how-the-soviet-union-saved-the-world-from-hitler/
>West Ukrainian Nazis oppress ethnic Crimean Russian Nazi-fighters you know!
https://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/09/opinion/driving-ukrainians-into-putins-arms.html
>you know those guys fighting the Russians (who saved us from Hitler) are actually Nazis right?
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/sep/10/azov-far-right-fighters-ukraine-neo-nazis

you'll notice they don't do much of this nowadays

>>64133234
>muh Euro peons
Retard take.

No, let me correct that: Vatnigger take. Only vatniggers are incapable of understanding the concept of an alliance of equals.

>>64133235
I’m not entirely sure what the age range was but they were avoiding the late teens and 20s because they want them to have kids and work

>>64133221
>projecting
don't have to project anything onto Rotherham, they're doing that all by themselves

>>64133034
People are uninformed and don't want to think. I have a friend in college who at first replied "Ukranians never had a reall state." to my Ukraine war question.

Not a vatnik, he studies well but hasn't done his research, nor did he look like he cared.

Solution: talk about the conflict way more, talk about the history of both nations way more and how the war affects the world we know.

Syrskye needs to go, that corrupt incompetent soviet relic is tanking the entire Ukrainian war effort with his favoritism, corruption, political favors and inability to understand war itself.

>>64133159
you are a good example of the demoralized retard
EEEEVERYTHING that russia does is only "just as bad" as the west because you're a contrarian faggot that intentionally closes his eyes whenever another fucking dog gets eaten by a russian or another fucking mass grave or raped toddler is found. of course, being the massive faggot you always are, you will also forgive russia for going out of their way to cause human suffering like a bunch of cartoon villains because "w-well the w-west sometimes hits a hospital accidentally because the mudslimes they fight hide behind civvie population" somehow equating these two behavioural standards to be the same.

do you understand why people are so utterly repulsed by this pathetic head-held-low baby bitch demoralized behaviour you display? basically nobody here thinks the west is alright in the state it's currently in, but you took that as an excuse to support the behaviour of literal incarnations of hatred and spite.

>>64133016
if only that. its pretty convincing the monke that appeared in alaska was not the real one. it was his double, the goofy people mans monke. well known in double watcher circle

pair it with toad face lavrov, who was actually in charge of the parody, sporting that classy CCCP shirt and the humiliation ritual was complete

>>64133025
its either fight on no matter what or concentration camps, children getting kidnapped into vatnikstan and their men being cubed in whatever new war of conquest the deranged manlet tyrant dreams up

>>64133249
>triggered by my nickname for them
Heh.
>an alliance of equals.
>he says as the Euro Peons shit and piss their pants in rage when the annoying orange of all people made these freeloaders actually pay their fair share instead of making US pay for it all.
That makes as much sense as Putin defending Russia by invading Ukraine:
None at all!

>>64133247
Ok I was wrong but I love how you call me tourist for not knowing random news articles on the FUCKING WEAPONS BOARD

>>64133034
russians retained their sense of humor for one thing

>>64133277
I'll leave it at that since you admitted that much.

Anyway, I'm still firmly behind TZD but that doesn't blind me to the Dems' shenanigans. Nor does it make me a fan of Trump.
Does mean I get called both vatnik or globohomo depending on which of my friends I'm talking to. C'est la vie de le centrist.

>>64133204
EU Membership does not guarantee security at all. Only France is a credible nuclear power in the EU and it's not enough to deter Russia. Only NATO and the US can.

>>64133159
>Western-aligned "democracy" is not worth wiping out almost 100% of white men under 30 in ukraine nor is it any less corrupt than eastern-aligned "democracy"

I mean you're just objectively wrong, on every metric living in russia is worse than living in any other western 1st world country.

>>64133034
The Western far right Israel included) has been in bed with Putin ever since he came to power. To them Putin's oligarchy, nepotism and kleptocracy are the driving forces bevind the ideal expansionist state that is Russia.

On the surface these far right thugs pretend that every people should have the right to independence. In reality they're only looking for ways to enrich themselves, through corruption, exploitation of vulnerable groups (migrants, elderly, women, the lazy south), undermining the justice system and warfare if possible. There's no ideological difference between Putin, Trump, Netanyahu, Le Pen, Wilders in Holland, Salvini in Italy, the Austrian OVP, Belgian Vlaams Belang, Hungary's Orban, Poland's Law and Justice, UKIP/Farage in the UK. You can add Jacob Reese-Mogg to the list as well. Same in Czechia, ex-Yugoslavia etc.

The US has always claimed Greenland, The Venetian republic controlled most of the ex-Yugoslavian coast for a milennium. And the founder of both the French and German royal dynasties? Pepin of Herstal, in Belgium. We can be kangz again. People fall for this nonsense like kids in a candy store.

>>64133210
>Yes. We should stop giving a fuck about other peoples internal disputes.

So why were you concerned trolling about Ukrainian men dying?

>>64133282
i don't think
"not being able to call a war a war" is retaining a sense of humor.
russians are humorless cunts the moment the humor isn't at someone else's expense, most of them are prissy princesses the moment you rightfully mock something fucked up about their homeland or make a joke related to it.

the only exception are russian escapees (because russia is basically a prison country) who are embarrassed to come from that shithole and wanted something better.

>>64132995 (OP)
Why does it emphasize "illegal,"? As if anyone cares about the legality of war.
>oh no, they didn't do a false flag first
smol brain take

>>64133219
The rustards and the miganiggas of drumpf you mean.
Don't lie faggot. The only rightoid that got it right of that time was actually Mitt
Romney

>>64133290
I don’t disagree on that

>>64133307
>As if anyone cares about the legality of war.
The West does, and the West is powerful enough to wipe your pathetic fucking race off this planet if it wanted to, you subhuman nigger.

>>64133034
sub 100 IQ retards think russia is here to save them from the gays and trannys. they dont realise theyd be the first into the concentration camps. Id rather live with the squealing troons than a zigger

>>64133159
Yeah okay, but you should kill yourself.

>>64133202
Dude you are legit mentally ill. Do you even sleep?

>>64133292
>Only France is a credible nuclear power

No they aren't, not against a large nuclear power like Russia, US, India or China. Hitting a single one of their four submarines cuts their deliverable warheads by 1/4th, even if they attacked first they cannot survive a exchange with any of the big nuclear powers while the big power can survive everything France could throw at them. While they would sustain massive looses those entities would survive, France would not.

>>64133307
>demoralized retard is demoralized
>they didn't do a falseflag first
right, so in desert storm, kuweit being invaded was a "falseflag" and they needed to fake kuweit being invaded to form a coalition to defend it?

holy shit you're such a whiny retarded baby. yes, anon, it's kind of fucking illegal to randomly start a war under false pretenses, it's why russia is cut off from most of the civilised world now, the idea is that we don't act like medieval fucking serpents anymore, because that's bad for everyone, making that the norm again spawns more fucking wars, for that reason shit like this sets a precedent and is ALWAYS our problem.
you don't want mexico to start shit with the US 100 years in the future? you don't want one of your major trade lanes to get distrupted because two strategically placed shitholes said
>hmmmm i'm gonna take a chunk of that guy's land for no reason because i think i can get away with it, i mean russia never got punished for it so it's allowed.
then we do actually need some sort of rule system in place that punishes faggy behaviour like that.

and don't give me that retarded niggly
>WAAAAAAH IT'S AN INTERNAL AFFAIR
bullshit, ukraine is a recognized independent country and it's borders were clearly ratified, end of story, you want those "russian speaking regions" to become part of russia? open up a fucking diplomatic line and don't start a grey war and then a full on invasion like a toddler, that's how normal countries do it.

>>64133307
Is that packing tape?

>>64133337
I'm American. We sure as fuck don't care about legality when we do war.

>>64133314
it's actually only about 10-15 Republicans such as MTG who were blindly against Ukraine. what reasons they have, I don't know. could be sheer ignorance, could be something more sinister.
problem is, the GOP needs that number to maintain hold on the House. their edge is too slim to ignore these idiots. this is what party politics is about. same goes for all Western democracies.

but such subtleties are over your head
just go back to your drone drop webms
life is simpler that way

>>64133351
WMD's nigger.

>>64133349
>Russia
russia doesn't have nukes though

>>64133354
>supposed american
>so fucking ignorant and retarded he doesn't even know how GWOT was justified through UN resolutions
Very American of you, desu

>>64133366
The US owns the UN. They justify what we decided.

>>64133034
>I can kinda understand the sharp divide on the Gaza issue
How? It's people who earnestly believe Israel is doing nothing wrong that I don't understand. I can sorta understand the "not my problem" mentality on the Ukraine war, even though I think it's cowardly and shortsighted, especially if you're a European, but Israel is conducting a genocide and the west has been whining about the Holocaust for 80 years, plus Israel has a disproportionate amount of western politicians in its pocket either directly or indirectly unlike the Russians which mostly rely on soft power.

>>64133210
>we should totally stop doing the things that made us the most powerful nation the world has ever seen
>its not like another global war wouldn't be an existential threat to all humanity
>letting autocratic expansionist nations subjugate their neighbors never turns out badly
>russia has a history of steady stewardship of its vassals it conquers
You are clown.

>>64133257
This is a problem, a coworker I had legitimately believed the US and Russia were close allies until Biden destroyed relations in 2020. The wider US population is ignorant of geopolitics, does not care to be informed about geopolitics. It's a keelless boat as a population detached from history is fed convenient narratives.

>>64133369
Okay? That does change the fact it was legal lol. "Legal" doesn't mean "everyone is okay with this" it just means it followed the rules.

>>64133369
>They justify what we decided.
And so you're now arguing against the earlier statement of
>I'm American. We sure as fuck don't care about legality when we do war.
by claiming that the UN makes legal what the US wants, clearly showing that the US cares about the legality of warfare.

Well argued.

>>64133389
I'm talking about realpolitick. Which is why legality is irrelevant and is only thought about by midwits. The US can swing its big dick wherever it wants because we're the top dog. What we do will be legal.

>>64133358
during the IRAQ war, yes, and it's globally fucking condemned now for good reason, demoralized retard.

>>64133386
Yes, we write the rules. Legality is for liberal crocodile tears. We just bombed the ever loving shit out of Iran's nuclear program on the legality that we don't want them to have them, and they can't do anything about it.

Kind of like how Russia just retardedly died their way into taking Ukranian territory. Legality or not, they have it.

>>64133397
>I'm talking about realpolitick
>Which is why legality is irrelevant and is only thought about by midwits.
These two are entirely contradictory statements. Realpolitik 100% cares about the legality and uses legality as a tool for itself, once again arguing against your earlier statement. Maybe you're just not actually aware of what realpolitiks is like and you just said the word to try to lend some kind of credence to yourself, despite obviously being ignorant and quite possibly stupid.
>What we do will be legal.
Again, you're arguing against yourself. This entire statement and attitude is arguing that legality matters. How you're incapable of seeing this is baffling.

>>64133000
False flagging vatnigger

>>64132995 (OP)
>exchange 10% of your male population for 0.3% increase in area
Or
>consolidate the losses, prepare for another strike
Tough decision, for a monke.

>>64133412
Legality doesn't matter. And I provided examples of why it's a farce. All I said is it's pretty stupid to emphasize illegal.

>>64133374
if you ask me it's because i'm racist and i care more about white people than sand people.
i care about ukranians because they're white and trying their best to improve, they genuinely care about their country and don't like the fact that it's a shithole, and a lot of their problems are not even really their own fault because they're the result of soviet mentality and fuckery. russians and israeli's and palistinians do not behave white and i hope they all go fuck themselves, none of them want to improve and i hope they all die.

>>64133374
>that I don't understand
What's to understand? When a society breeds its women in order to shat out biomass to be used as walking IEDs there nothing more to understand. That society is fucked. If the US had an enemy such as that we would kill them down to the toddlers and hen take the toddlers.

>>64133425
>Legality doesn't matter. And I provided examples of why it's a farce.
No, you did not. You blatantly argued against yourself and you clearly do not understand what legality is. You are clearly stuck in some kind of moral framework, where you mix up legality and morality and are incapable of separating the two.