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Anonymous No.64136852 >>64136895 >>64136913 >>64136939 >>64137064 >>64137129 >>64137443 >>64137810 >>64139721 >>64140392 >>64140869 >>64142302 >>64144999 >>64145053
An army from 1985 would be hopelessly obliterated by an army from 2025, in every aspect.

So what might armies look like in 2065 that would make today's forces similarly obsolete?
Anonymous No.64136881
Same trends, just stretched out over even longer distances and miniaturized down to the squad or platoon level. Expect firefights to take place beyond visual range, like that recent 4km sniper shot is a rarity now and only possible with drone spotters; but imagine when every MG team can do that as standard practice. Similarly, today your 60mm mortar can go maybe 3 miles, but when its future equivalent shoots glide bombs and goes himars ranges, you could be hammering targets in a different area code.
Anonymous No.64136895
>>64136852 (OP)
Super guided munitions
APS everywhere
Drones everywhere
Unmanned shit everywhere
Anonymous No.64136913
>>64136852 (OP)
i think 1985 US could beat 2025 anyone other country lol
Anonymous No.64136939 >>64136980 >>64137069 >>64137224 >>64139576
>>64136852 (OP)
i think 1985 US could beat 2025 any other country lol
Anonymous No.64136950
DRONES DRONES DRONES
Anonymous No.64136964 >>64136980
1985 us army could beat any modern military
Anonymous No.64136980 >>64140399
>>64136939
>1985 US
>>64136964
>1985 us army
Peak cold war and commie hate. No woke bullshit. No female pilots or sub commanders running into sea mounts. 2025 armies would be oblitered, excepting the USA, inspite of the peril to sea mounts.
Anonymous No.64137064
>>64136852 (OP)
Anonymous No.64137069 >>64137115 >>64137136 >>64137551 >>64138693 >>64139489 >>64141072
>>64136939
They couldn't beat Afghanistan 20 years later lol
Anonymous No.64137115
>>64137069
>durr 20 years later they were better
1985 'MURKA wouldn't have been so lost to the neoliberal WOKE mind-virus in their approach to nation-building Goatland.
Maybe instead, 1985 occupation forces would've listened to the CIA's idea of reinstalling an Afghan King (with constitutional monarchy perhaps later, and democracy perhaps even later than that).
Anonymous No.64137129
>>64136852 (OP)
hypersonic weapons
seamlessly-integrated sensors and fire control
ALL units networked, from personal drone to orbital missile platform
laser anti-missile systems on everything
full-body armour suits with integrated IR and thermal camouflage
(includes chameleon optical camo for SF)
Squad-level cyber-attack / virus injection weapons and microwave scramblers
Anonymous No.64137136
>>64137069
they did. i can only think of 1 battle lost.
Anonymous No.64137224 >>64138931 >>64139500 >>64139541
>>64136939
Its kind of funny because opinion in the 80's is that the US army at least was a complete joke.
They had just lost in Vietnam, fumbled in Iran, Grenada wasn't exactly as smooth as it should have been and then the Beirut bombing had just happened. There was serious questions being raised around their competency and it wasn't really till the Gulf War kicked off did opinion change.
Knowing what we know now though then yeah US tech in the 80's is still generations ahead from what most countries are capable of these days.
Anonymous No.64137443
>>64136852 (OP)
>An army from 1985 would be hopelessly obliterated by an army from 2025, in every aspect.

Just like how an army from 600 AD was obliterated by an army from 2021 AD right?
Anonymous No.64137551 >>64137562 >>64140980
>>64137069
Funny how we defeated Al queda and killed osama
Anonymous No.64137562
>>64137551
>we defeated Al queda
>result - Taliban victory
Anonymous No.64137810 >>64138411
>>64136852 (OP)
Lasers everywhere. Want to launch an arty shell? Too bad, get intercepted by laser. Want to BVR a jet? Too bad, laser. Wanna drop a grenade from a drone? We're gonna let you drop it, zap the grenade out of the air, then melt your stupid plastic toy
Anonymous No.64138411 >>64138913 >>64139417
>>64137810
Are laser powerful enough to melt spinning howitzer shell? I can imagine mortar shells
Anonymous No.64138693
>>64137069
they weren't really trying
Anonymous No.64138816
Unmanned gen 7 aircraft that run a botnet.
Anonymous No.64138913
>>64138411
not yet, but it is hoped that by 2065 they will be
Anonymous No.64138931 >>64139317
>>64137224
>Minor fuckups in colonial wars had just happened
>Clearly it must be shit at conventional war
Shit logic. The iraq war proved it.
Anonymous No.64139025 >>64139502
By 2065? US Army has successfully replaced the m240 with a machine gun that shoots hybrid steel/copper casing 7.62. The m2 is still in service. The standard rifle, optimizing for maneuver and drone suppression now shoot 5.7x56mm ammunition. Records have now been declassified proving sig and the DoD knew about p320 shortcomings but were bribed. Sig has formally apologized and creates all small arms for the DoD.

Truly dystopian, with the exception of the m2.
Anonymous No.64139317 >>64139466
>>64138931
Anon they bombed an airfield with Sheridans in Panama and the marines and airborne got into a shooting war while the engineers watched on with fascination because the two offending parties couldn't tell that bullets were coming from a vertical rather than horizontal direction.
80's US military was one shitshow after another.
Anonymous No.64139417
>>64138411
The US could do it to mortars in the 2000s so chances are high.
Anonymous No.64139466
>>64139317
Panama was relatively well-executed
so were all those Reforger exercises
Anonymous No.64139489 >>64140922
>>64137069
Name the last time you saw a nigga from Afghanistan
Anonymous No.64139500
>>64137224
>fumbled in Iran
Unknown Unknowns lead to that failing. If the coastie/naval pilot didn't sperg out when he got browned out they could have pulled it off. Ats a result, we now have the 160th which blows everyone out of the water, honestly not a bad lesson learned and applied.
Anonymous No.64139502
>>64139025
When you have a platform the meets or exceeds the mission and not many faults, there is no need to spend billions to replace it. See the B52
Anonymous No.64139541 >>64139567 >>64141248
>>64137224
>Grenada wasn't exactly as smooth as it should have been
The result of scaling back our warfare and aiming for secrecy as the main goal. If we had properly scouted and bombed it, the whole thing would have gone WAYY smoother, but since our only goal was capturing Noriaga and keeping them as an ally, we chose to accept higher losses.

>the Beirut bombing had just happened.
That's like saying 9/11 just happened. Some complacency, mixed with extreme surprise allowed that to happen. More of an indictment of the SOG and their policies than anything else.

>They had just lost in Vietnam
We killed nearly 10% of the entire population of Vietnam, while losing only 70 soldiers a week over a period of about 15 years. We hadn't lost a single battle, the fifth column of the media forgave all human rights violations of our enemies and ripped our own soldiers to shreds.

>Fumbled in Iran
Refueling error from a single pilot who never flew in the desert is bad, but operationally.

I'm guessing you read a couple of paragraphs of a us history textbook and never served in the military?
Anonymous No.64139567 >>64139575 >>64141001
>>64139541
>only 70 soldiers a week over a period of about 15 years.
*And another 400 wounded
Anonymous No.64139575
>>64139567
yeah but only about 200 needed actual medical care
Anonymous No.64139576
>>64136939
2025 Air Force would dick down the 80s military so bad you think you were in iraq
Anonymous No.64139600 >>64140417
I think something will go obsolete.
Like machine guns and breech loaded rifles making cavalry and line infantry obsolete. Or aviations and missiles making battleships obsolete.
Instead of just "oh it will be like today but everything will be SF gucci shit", warfare will change because concentration of forces will be difficult due to real time full surveillance coverage from drone reconnaissance combined with precision artillery strikes.
And there will be "disbelief" of how wars will be conducted. Ever since 1991, everyone has been obsessed with one large decisive strike. US Army 2030 program still reflects that, because it is restructuring penetration divisions and heavy divisions into that precise purpose of one devastating decisive push. Nobody is expecting or prepared for a long dragged out conflict. Such was the case in WW1. Even though there's a live example why it will be so like Ukraine, everyone will say "but we are different" like back in during American civil war. European attaches reported back and WW1 happened because no one believed.
Anonymous No.64139721 >>64140389
>>64136852 (OP)
Almost every Western European military is hopelessly outclassed by their 1985 equivalent.
Anonymous No.64140389 >>64141248 >>64141472 >>64146042
>>64139721
European military in the 80s were built for territorial defense with large conscript forces. Today's smaller forces are geared for foreign intervention. Even then, a 1980's opponent would need 10 times as much aircraft and probably four times as many ground forces to beat a 2025 opponent in a pitched battle.
Anonymous No.64140392 >>64140395
>>64136852 (OP)
deployed autonomous, top down attack mines buried in the dirt outside of every city that shred anything in the wrong uniform.
Anonymous No.64140395 >>64140420
>>64140392
>top down attack mines
Anonymous No.64140399
>>64136980
Needful post saar.
Anonymous No.64140417
>>64139600
Air deployed, man sized killbots with pre-determined k/d shutdown numbers. Zap Brannigan will never stop us.
Anonymous No.64140420 >>64140425
>>64140395
yeah, like a budoctrinal. and or airb. Still technically a mine doctrinally.
Anonymous No.64140425 >>64140990
>>64140420
(me) fucking phone butchered mah post. It's like a buried javelin or airburst munition, but millions of them with a capability of burying themselves in the dirt.
Anonymous No.64140869
>>64136852 (OP)
The future army of 2065 is all gay trans soldiers who seek to rape enemy soldiers. Raping of civilians is frowned upon, but the Trump Jr. Conventions of 2041 allows rape of gay soldiers by soldiers, provided the rapist formally challenges the rapee in a circle of equals. Dare you refuse his buttchall?
Anonymous No.64140922
>>64139489
There's a "family of afghan refugees" that live literally down the street from me, they're growing like 20 corn plants in the front yard of the house they rent for $1300/ month. They let you know it too seeing as they have a hand-drawn picture of the afghan flag hung over the front door.
>they won.
Anonymous No.64140980
>>64137551
last time i checked Al Qaeda is bigger and stronger than it was in 2001
Anonymous No.64140990 >>64141026
>>64140425
>the mines are the dirt
every grain on the ground is a self propelled nano machine that converges to the pores and once inside they make the enemy soldier less fat and more hungry
In 2065, wars are fought over chefs and good food because fast food corps took over the world and everyone forgot how to cook. The world united under one government and world peace and harmony was achieved because everyone was given burgers, the good ones.
Mechas are finally viable but not for combat roles, rather, for culinary mega tasks to feed not only their own public military corporations, also the enemy troops as well. Combat consists of megashitting together, who shits wins, because the average person consumes on average 3 cows worth of burgers a day, they’re also ripped, juiced up and gene boosted into 12 ft giants with the insatiable desire to eat good food with other people, and help cook and wash dishes as well.
Remember ice cream ships from ww2? How bout ice cream super carrier ssto vtol launchpad ships that can launch itself while launching and receiving other smaller craft to space to provide ice cream to orbiting omega food stations.
Mars became a giant freezer planet while Venus is used as a giant deep fryer for giganticus 3d printed protein ingredients that spans across continents. Neptune was converted into a giant blender with permission of the blue people and Pluto was discovered as a giant ball of cheese that was hauled back to a museum orbit of earth.
To quickly travel across the universe, huge manatee collectively decided and through sheer willpower changed the laws of physics whereby when driving a space car you can go wherever you want, technicallY FTL because this method of travel is retroactive. You think therefore you were, and you think differently if you’re hungry (mars was also terraformed into a giant mars bar that kept growing (it’s as big as Jupiter))
Anonymous No.64140999
not really, a 1985 army with nukes can beat every military until a 3078 army brings out a FTL and teleportation tech
Anonymous No.64141001 >>64141059
>>64139567
>You have 470 casualties per week while fighting across the world against an enemy whose territory you are not allowed to enter because it might hurt your main rival's feelings.
>45 years later and said rival is having 7000 casualties a week fighting right across its own border while having the right to do anything he wishes beside nukes.
Anonymous No.64141026
>>64140990
>Combat consists of megashitting together, who shits wins
So this is how India becomes a superpower, huh?
Anonymous No.64141059 >>64141472
>>64141001
Now factor in ARVN casualties
Anonymous No.64141072 >>64141087 >>64141125 >>64141249 >>64145105
>>64137069
Taliban 'victory' is like this
>You're in your house with your wife
>Suddenly Chad breaks it
>You feebly try to protect your home and wife
>He backhand slaps you and you crumple in a heap
>He marches over to your wife unbuckling his belt
>You crawl as fast as you can to your bedroom closet
>As the sounds of moaning and plapping can be heard around the house you grumble to yourself 'Y-y-you didn't kill me, so I'm winning!'
>Chad does this for 20 (TWENTY) years in your house, your only attempts to stop him ravaging your mindbroken wife are you running from your closet with a fly swatter and slapping his bare muscular arse with it then running up stairs to your closet again all the while laying marbles and LEGO bricks on the floor to make it not worth the effort to come get you
>After 20 years of this, Chad decides to up and leave, waves goodbye to the 16 year old kid he had with your wife and says he is in charge now, try to look after the place
>Once Chad is out of sight and over the hill, you run downstairs with your fly swatter and start beating the shit out of the 16 year old kid
>Once he is a crumpled heap on the floor you plant your foot on his back and go 'VICTORY! I BEAT CHAD! I AM THE GREATEST"
>You then promptly start to starve and your wife wishes Chad was back because at least he provided food
>You send the occasional letter to Chad asking for food
This is exactly how the war went.
Anonymous No.64141087 >>64141131
>>64141072
US invades
>do nothing
>win

What is this strategy called again? And how do we defend against the cartels using it to dominate us?
Anonymous No.64141125
>>64141072
kek
Anonymous No.64141131 >>64141248
>>64141087
it's called hiding
Anonymous No.64141248 >>64141695
>>64139541
This is either copium or completely missing the point of the highest order, I can't really tell?
You clearly never lived in the 80's or living under a rock the entire time.
There was a sense of that the USSR was pushing ahead in the Cold War in the 80's due to the West suffering setback after setback. We all of course know that was complete horseshit propaganda these days but at the time there was genuine scare that we needed to play catchup.
>>64140389
Real question is motivation to fight? On one hand there was a sense of wanting to give the Commies a kick in the nuts in the 80's. On the otherhand some forces had problems like drug addicts who didn't know which enemy they were to shoot at. West Germany joint NATO exercises in the 80's were always a unique experience.
>>64141131
In Pakistan.
Anonymous No.64141249 >>64141284
>>64141072
Taliban victory is when you making seething greentext walls
Anonymous No.64141284 >>64141334 >>64142355
>>64141249
Afghanistan vs USA - Afghanistan wins
Afghanistan vs USSR - Afghanistan wins
Afghanistan vs British Empire - Afghanistan wins x3

Undefeatable. Simple as.
Anonymous No.64141334 >>64141351 >>64141472
>>64141284
Afghanistan vs USSR is probably the only legit victory Afghan have over foreign adversary. British literally owned the Afghan monarchy for a century. US curb stomped Taliban until they all run away to Pakistan. And they manage to set up a puppet government that ruled for solid 20 years. Until they realize Kabul government was corrupted as fuck and a financial black hole so US decide to pull the plug and turned the situation into Fall of Saigon 2.0. Also if you noticed, Vietnam and Afghanistan have exact same story down to the letter.
Anonymous No.64141351 >>64141370
>>64141334
cope
Anonymous No.64141370 >>64141379
>>64141351
>having geopolitical and history literacy is a cope.
Anonymous No.64141379 >>64141430
>>64141370
> for the last time, we DIDN'T LOSE! we got BORED because we were losing too much money
more cope
Anonymous No.64141430
>>64141379
> for the last time, we DIDN'T LOSE! we got BORED because we were losing too much money

yes. there was hardly any fighting by the time trump came into office and sending soldiers there had no benefit.
Anonymous No.64141472 >>64141587 >>64141699
>>64140389
Some European militaries might have actually had 4-10x the ground forces and hardware, on top of greater readiness rates. Morale might depend on the country.
Not sure about 80s airfleets, but until fairly recent F-35 acquisitions European air forces (excluding maybe France) were in a ridiculously bad state with readiness, fleet composition/size, munition stockpiles, etc. being low to the point at which they'd basically be non-factors. This one also depends on the country I guess.
>>64141059
The ARVN still had a positive loss rate against the PAVN and NLF despite having a tech and numerical disadvantage against the former.
>>64141334
>Also if you noticed, Vietnam and Afghanistan have exact same story down to the letter.
In Vietnam at least the RVN lasted two years on its own, falling due to military defeat by a superior force rather than implosion due to nonexistent support for the government or the nation's existence, and they could have made it with better US strategy or even just one last intervention in 1975. I don't Afghanistan was a salvageable situation after 2003, we should have just left after killing Bin Laden and called it a victory.
Anonymous No.64141587
>>64141472
>we should have just left after killing Bin Laden and called it a victory.
some of you non-zoomers might recall that when this idea was mooted, it was the Democrats who screamed that we "owe" it to the Afghans to "rebuild" their nation. what they really wanted to set up a neo-imperialist puppet regime and convert everyone to secular modern Western values, in other words
but without using all these no-no words
Anonymous No.64141695 >>64142324
>>64141248
You are retarded and spewing shit from a high school text book. We bankrupted those commies, and everyone knew they couldn't even feed their nation.

And yeah, I was alive in the 80s, I remember buying 6 pairs of jeans and my dad sending them to his brother in Poland to trade for goods and food beyond the wall.
Anonymous No.64141699 >>64142253
>>64141472
lmao no - European armies were a joke and they showed that time and time again in the 60s and 70s
Anonymous No.64142253 >>64142310
>>64141699
>time again in the 60s and 70s
Which wars were Europeans involved in during the 60s and 70s again?
Anonymous No.64142302
>>64136852 (OP)
Man-portable EMP packages, destroys all the radio shit you had for calling back to base, but it also wrecks even a whole drone swarm in a small circle around you. Basically good as a panic button for dismounted infantry. Also it cooks all the sperm in your balls and gives you megacancer but this injury will be unrelated to your service
Anonymous No.64142310
>>64142253
NTA but the Portuguese, Spanish and the French fought in their African possessions during the period
Anonymous No.64142324 >>64144003
>>64141695
So living under the rock gotcha.
>bankrupted those commies
By late 80's average person knew that, not in early 80's with the bullshit media was spreading. Looking back doubt even a fraction of their equipment would have worked but screaming about big scary Commie weapons that actually don't work doesn't sell.
>everyone knew they couldn't even feed their nation
Irrelevant, everyone knows that Commies aren't people who need food
>Polish cold war black market trading
That is neat though, any juicy stories out of it or just basically sending stuff over and that's end hear of it?
Anonymous No.64142355
>>64141284
>get slaughtered in almost every battle in every war
>superpower leaves because the area is a fucking moonscape
>highest level of civilization rivals Sentinel Island
Anonymous No.64144003 >>64144739 >>64144985 >>64145111
>>64142324
About twice a year my dad would buy blue jeans, and random stuff sometimes, for his brother and mail them. One time I remember we had to find cowboy shirts - like a bunch in different colors, because that is what was hot over there at the time. My dad told me that his brother traded two pairs of jeans for an FM stereo and that was a big deal. Other times, it ended up being a host of things like food (getting meat was a big deal, especially turkey for some reason?), vodka (another trading staple), and a lot of zlotys also, because no one could get western clothes except when it was sent over. I think I remember something about an apartment move being involved but I don't really remember the details. My dad owned a business selling perfume in the mall and we were quite well off, so he would send a lot of stuff to his brother who was stuck over there.

He came over in the mid 90s and started a carpentry business. I'll ask him next time I see him.
Anonymous No.64144739
>>64144003
>jeans for a stereo a turkey and an apartment
I can believe it and probably not even the strangest trade. Thanks for sharing anon.
Anonymous No.64144985
>>64144003
>jeans
flared leg or straight cut?
Anonymous No.64144999
>>64136852 (OP)
Every man carry small PGMs like they carry grenades today.
Anonymous No.64145053
>>64136852 (OP)
2065 will simply be 2 hordes of brown bipeds firing blindly at each other
Anonymous No.64145105 >>64145113
>>64141072
>wife
What did US gain from the war?
Anonymous No.64145111
>>64144003
my mom had a polish friend who told similar stories about her family back home, she said she'd buy stuff at 'boutique' thrift stores and send it
Anonymous No.64145113
>>64145105
army XP
Anonymous No.64145281
>an army from 1985 would be hopelessly obliterated by an army from 2025
*deploys nuclear field artillery*
Anonymous No.64146042 >>64146119
>>64140389
If that were true Europe wouldn't be shidding itself over Russia's barely-modernized early 90s army whose claim to fame are clones of drone models the US was already trialing during the Gulf War.
Anonymous No.64146119
>>64146042
There is an immense difference between an 80s army and a 90s army, that's when the jump occurred from industrialised to digitised armies