Thread 64138223

I care more about carry weight and accuracy than "stopping power". If I'm going to carry a gun all day every day, it needs to be light. And then if I have to actually use it, I need to be able to hit what I'm shooting at. So a 22 pistol with a comfortable grip, good sights, and a 4"+ fixed barrel makes more sense than a .380 pocket pistol with a 2.5" barrel that weighs almost the same. I would rather put 2 shots into someone's skull with an accurate 22 than spray their lung tissue with 380s only to have them still fighting. Modern 22s with quality ammunition can be extremely mechanically reliable. I can also train much more cheaply and develop high proficiency with my pistol compared to a 380.

Basically if I'm not carrying a full size "real" gun like a G17, I feel more comfortable carrying a 22 than most other subcompact options because at minimum I know that I'm going to shoot it very proficiently. There's a massive market today for mini 380s that in my opinion are flatly inferior to a 22 in the hands of someone who trains, unless we are talking about literal front pocket carry where the external dimensions become a limiting factor.

Tell me why I'm wrong.

Not a soldier's gun
And .22lr is unreliable sometimes.

>>64138232
With good 22s and ammunition, malfunctions will be rare, and never of the type that cannot be swiftly cleared with a practiced macromuscular jam clearance maneuver.

>>64138255
Yup, I'm a bot, you got me.

>>64138223 (OP)
Sure if you want the bullet to just bounce off them and then have the gun jam

>>64138266
Most 22 ammunition meets FBI penetration minimums out barrels around 4" and in my experience 22s can be extremely reliable if you stick to ammunition the gun likes, especially high velocity ammo that extracts easily. The only 22 pistol that can malfunction in a serious way are older target designs like the Ruger Standard and Browning Buckmark which can get a case stuck in between the recoil spring rod and the next round. With modern 22s that can't happen and you can clear any malfunction in the blink of an eye.

>>64138223 (OP)
Why do people talk about weight like even a 3 pound all steel gun is cumbersome? Are you not capable of walking all day with a few extra pounds? Size for concealability i can understand, but if you wear a half decent belt and arent a child then weight should be a non factor in any handgun. Then again most of you seem to say you go around wearing pocketless basketball shorts all year round, so maybe you are children after all

>>64138289
The problem in my experience is that 22LR ammo exists in two flavors. The only ones with truly reliable primers are the match ammo like Eley Tenex, but that kind of ammo rarely has good penetration spec. The hotter more "field" oriented ammo usually meets FBI minimum spec for penetration, but you've still got the chance of a bad primer even if the gun normally cycles fine.

>>64138322
I've been carrying concealed since you were learning how to read.

>>64138324
I have never ever had a primer failure with CCI 22 ammunition of any kind in tens of thousands of rounds

>>64138371
Jokes on you sonny boy, i never learned

>>64138223 (OP)
Because .22 won't stop me raping your boyhole.

>>64138384
Paul Harrell made a video where he just shoots that exact ammo for an hour or so to prove you wrong.

>problem one
Good luck telling the court you planned to double headshot people before you even holstered the gun. Never, ever say this ever again. Palantir might log the next one.

Also, never, ever, ever actually shoot someone in the head TWICE. If you shot someone in the head once they better have had a gun aimed at you, or have you pinned down with physical superiority and potentially deadly intent. It is the hardest self defense action to justify. If you shoot someone in the head twice you are guilty of manslaughter/murder.

>problem two
Even quality .22 ammo has duds.

>>64138400
How do you prove that he has never had a failure so far wrong by having a failure yourself?

>>64138400
Okay. I've still never had a primer failure with CCI ammo in like 15 years of weekly shooting. Primer failure is by far the easiest malfunction to clear. Paul Harrell has made multiple videos where he concluded that 22LR weapons are adequate for defense.

>>64138405
So, your plan is to turn yourself in and go to court after you shoot someone in self defense?

>>64138405
>Just carefully plan every shot in a extreme stress situation where someone is trying to kill you
uh huh

>>64138437
That is literally the only way to shoot someone without going to jail.

>>64138445
OP is in fact planning every shot. A double headshot is pretty unlikely. Just one typically causes instant collapse.

Personally I wouldn't carry a 22. however at the end of the day you should carry what works best for you.

I carry a 5.7, and retards can say all day it's a glorified 22. magnum. I don't give a shit because it works for me.

You don't need to justify your CCW anon

>>64138405
>Palantir schizo
>That spacing
This faggot is from one of those "guns but for socialists only" subplebbits.

>>64138451
What kind of self defense situation are you going to be in that is so dire as to require lethal force with a firearm, and with so many witnesses that you have to defend yourself in court, yet not enough witnesses to exonerate you?

>>64138409
Because it proves he's just been lucky so far, or lying.

>>64138424
No he's concluded that any gun is better than no gun and what to do if your only OPTION is a .22, not that it is a good option.

>>64138451
>Instant collapse
Not with a .22 it's not, lol. Life isn't a video game, Tyrone McMeth isn't going to stop charging just because you perforated his cheek, the head is not some magic zone where if you touch it they lose.

>>64138470
>youve just been lucky! Stop being so lucky aaaghhhhh look at the statistical dataaaaaaaa!!!
No thanks fag

>>64138470
No, straight up says that 22 is probably good enough for home defense in at least one of his videos.

>>64138223 (OP)
>I care more about carry weight and accuracy than "stopping power"
A bodyguard 2.0 is lighter than a Ruger SR22
>I can also train much more cheaply and develop high proficiency with my pistol compared to a 380.
Dry fire

>>64138223 (OP)
9mm cultists really dont understand that all rounds fired from a handgun act the same when they enter a body and stopping power doesn't exist. Opting for 9mm just gets you more recoil and a much heavier gun with no additional benefit. 22lr is king for self defense.

>>64138458
It's our local anti-Trump Seether. He's allegedly Australian but will pretend he was a Mitt Romney intern despite being the most stereotypical commie on the planet.

>>64138470
>Not with a .22 it's not, lol. Life isn't a video game, Tyrone McMeth isn't going to stop charging just because you perforated his cheek, the head is not some magic zone where if you touch it they lose.

Correct. The brain and spinal cord are. The human brain is about 6" in diameter when viewed from the front. For comparison the vital region of a grey squirrel is about 1.5" and I routinely kill these animals with 22 pistols at distances in excess of 20 yards.

>>64138497
The biggest difference between the two is penetration. Some 9mm ammunition can penetrate 50" in ballistic gel. Very useful if you have multiple BGs lined up in a hallway or something I guess. But in terms of terminal performance there isn't a massive difference in the likelihood of immediate incapacitation, nor in the likelihood of survival with a given level of medical attention. At least not nearly as much as suggested by the difference in cost, recoil, and other disadvantages.

>>64138405
You're legitimately retarded if you think anyone is guilty of murder for killing someone in self defense just because they hit the most effective spot. The era of Soros backed prosecutors arguing that someone defended themselves too lethally ended with Kyle Rittenhouse.

>>64138500
This. Nigga objectively knows nothing about US self defense laws and Stand Your Ground. The best part is he does it for free because USAID isn't paying them anymore, his butthurt is real.

>>64138514
I don't understand the legalese aspect of things because nobody is going to spend any real time or effort investigating the death of a violent crackhead. And if you're in a public area, then you'll have plenty of witnesses to corroborate that an armed maniac attacked you. Unless you're in a hard left state you will not go to prison no matter how effective your tactics were.

>>64138501
With your magical ammo that never fails despite all video evidence proving the contrary, right?
>I'm going to aim at the brain
Yeah and with a .22 you'll still likely hit the cheek and ear. If you shoot a squirrel, a very small animal, with a .22 it's fucked regardless because it is a SQUIRREL and not a HUMAN and the bullet is MUCH LARGER by comparison you LARPing faggot. Please do carry a .22, I look forward to you getting beaten to death.

>>64138530
If you can't hit a 6" circle at 7 yards on an animal that instinctively stabilizes it's head while moving then you should consider hiring a bodyguard instead of relying on any handgun for self defense.

>>64138529
>State
You're correct in everything but this, the real danger is a Democrat CITY or jurisdiction looking to prove it's part of the Soros club, a lot of Texas judges, DAs, and prosecutors hoping to make the state blue are more vicious and dangerous than any Calicuck because they see themselves as on the frontlines and you as an enemy soldier.

>>64138529
A simple stovepipe malfunction every few hundred rounds is not a big deal.

>>64138223 (OP)
>I carry a 22 for self defense
Post gun, holster and ammo.

>>64138542
A violently moving crackhead running at you with a knife is not stable in any sense of the word. Your entire premise is retarded. There is a reason why every intelligent shooter aims center mass and carries a gun more substantial than a .22 target pistol. You're the typical LARPing kid that shoots at stationary nonthreatening animals and paper in between kneeling for BLM and crying that Kamala never got to bring joy to the US. Fuck outta here retard. Go back to /toy/.

>>64138564
All mammals instinctively stabilize their heads while running for image clarity. Humans are the most visually oriented of nearly all mammals and are also bipedal and vulnerable to major injury from tripping and falling. When humans are engaged in strenuous physical activity their heads remain almost completely stationary relative to their body. It is not that much more difficult to shoot someone in the head who is running at you vs someone who is standing still.

>>64138561
Post your home address

>>64138581
911 Twin Towers Rd, New York City, New York

>>64138581
post social security number

>>64138223 (OP)
Just pocket carry a small .380, you're extremely weak and small if that bothers you. I get not wanting to carry on the hip if you're not a fatty who wears baggy clothes.

>>64138647
I would rather carry a more accurate weapon with similar weight and capacity at the expense of wound channel diameter.

>but muh 22 LR

Try 22 WMR

It won't disappoint.

>>64138676
That defeats the entire purpose.

>>64138572
It is when you have 2 seconds to hit a crackhead with a homemade knife sprinting at you and you get an adrenaline dump realizing "holy shit if I don't hit this guy's off switch he's gonna gut me like a fish". I can't tell if this is trolling or not, if hitting people in the head while they were moving was that easy then you would see way more officer involved shootings ending with headshots than you actually do. In fact most headshots in police body cam footage are clearly accidental and simply lucky when a cop is blasting off a mag at someone. Also inb4 cops don't aim at the head because they don't aim to kill

I wouldn't trust 22 to go bang every time, from my experience. If you're a weenie hut Jr patron and carry a full size .22 buy a full size in .380 it'll be similarly easy to handle. OR get a revolver in 22 so if doesn't go bang it won't fuck your shit up. Ive has jams shooting my 22s that required me to stop what I'm doing and grab a screwdriver, that would be instant death in a real life situation

>>64138736
If someone armed with a melee weapon manages to reach me then they get a Kabar instead of a bullet with an edge that can shave your face.

>>64138546
Remember the shills here will say they aren't trying to take your guns or criminalize self defense.

>>64138564
Gigabased post, don't humor these chucklefucks.

>>64138736
Police officers are dumb fucks who shoot fewer rounds in training throughout their entire careers than I do in six months.

>>64138581
Noguns absolutely outed.

>>64138572
And when someone runs their head jounces around all over and all the pseudointellectual verbiage on the planet doesn't change the fact that this is why people aim for CENTER MASS.
>It is not that much more difficult to shoot someone in the head who is running at you vs someone who is standing still.
And you wonder how people keep outing you as a noguns kid who shot daddy's .22 at a squirrel on a branch once, if not a BB gun because if I was your dad I sure as fuck wouldn't trust a tard like you with live ammo.

>>64138657
You'll be more accurate aiming center mass with a 9mm than your retarded headshot LARP with a .22

>>64138683
Of what? Being retarded? Are you a gun control activist shilling for everything but .22 to be banned because "u dont need more?"

>>64138841
Of .22, and you're still talking about headshots like you think playing COD taught you anything about real guns.

>>64138223 (OP)
Just get a keltec 5.7 and stop fooling around with 22lr

>>64138855
I have never seen someone running with their head moving significantly.

>>64138847
Correct. I don't own any firearms and never will.

>>64138792
I'd say start blasting the kang with your .22 and finish him with the screwdriver you were ccing in your backpocket. Win-win.

>>64138879
I never thought id live to see the day this is semi reasonable advice

>>64138901
All the more reason for you to fuck off back to r*ddit.

>>64138881
It moves enough for every professional on the planet to tell your dumb ass to aim for the chest.

>>64139487
Most professionals seem to think a 22 is adequate for normal defensive carry in the hands of someone who trains.

>>64139609
No, they don't, and you were corrected on this earlier, retard.

>>64139053
>First shot jams
>Hold on Tyrell I gotta ply this out of the chamber with my screwdriver

>>64138453
>You don't need to justify your CCW anon
Based response

>>64138223 (OP)
My favorite pistol to shoot is the SR22. I wouldn't have an issue cc it if I was using cci mini mags.

I carry a beretta bobcat very often.
Once a month I'll clean it, and oil it, and rotate ammo.
You still may get a light strike, or bad primer, so I'd reccomend only carrying hammer fired .22lrs so you can refire without manipulating the slide.
If you're comfortable carrying a .22, and can shoot it well than who cares what retards on the internet think.

>>64142754
22 revolvers like the lcr are also a good choice of your worried about that shit. I think smith and wesson make a super light revy that's 9 shot of 22lr.

>>64138223 (OP)
Excellent choice king, carry what you like.

Too many people try to min-max their carry like its a video game build. The best gun for you is the one you like to carry and shoot the most, because that means you'll be good with it and always have it on you.

Being armed is prudent because you want to be able to fight back, but what min-maxers forget is that life is random and chaotic, the most important thing is to have a weapon that you are confident you can use well and the will to fight and win.

>>64138223 (OP)
If you're going to be a contrarian, why not go all the way and carry a .22 winmag revolver? Then at least you have some chance of meaningful penetration and can deal with misfires with one hand.

I'm a quite slim, average US height guy and while a G19 felt a little big at first, I have no problem carrying it comfortably. Sometimes I forget it's on me, even on a somewhat warm day, and have to double check to make sure I still have it inside my waistband holster.