>>64138534 (OP)
Ukraine is exactly what losing looks like. They can either hand over the four annexed regions to Russia now, or keep losing men until Russia takes them back by force. Everyone serious understands this – Putin has made it clear he will stop at nothing to secure those territories. Any dream of Ukraine retaking them, or even Crimea, is pure fantasy.
And these so‑called European "security guarantees" are complete nonsense. They amount to putting yet another dependent country on the EU taxpayers’ bill (mostly the Germans), at a time when Germany itself is already deindustrializing. The whole situation is just a complete mess.