>>64139622 (OP)
>what would be the lesson of all this?
There's a limit to sheer coercive power.
It sounds like both sides are working towards a deal to end it while also saving face and cobbling something together to present to their respective people (for most people who want it to end anyways) as a success for them as politicians. I suspect the real true die-hard ziggers in Russia are a minority of the population while most people just try to keep their heads down.
The thing I'm going to find amusing, and will have fun with, is that a negotiated settlement where Russia gains some territory compared to how it started but with NATO security guarantees for Ukraine is going to upset the loudest hardliners on both sides. Igor Sushko and those guys on the Ukrainian side will be mad because will get to keep territory, but ziggers will also be mad because they have convinced themselves they're fighting some war against the West, and especially for online ideology weirdos with Discord servers, it's supposed to end in some impossible fantasy like communism or a theocratic monarchy, and they're going to have to explain why they're not getting it.
