Thread 64140934

The US gets mogged by Italy in terms of ship building capability. So why doesn't the USN just bite the bullet and let allied countries build warships for them?

That's like saying why Czech Republic mogs US in terms of beer

>>64140934 (OP)
>eyetalian ships
>Good
lmao

>>64140982
The Italians know how to build some fucking ships.

>>64140940
It does though, have you ever tried pilsner urquell?

>>64140986
About as middle of the road as a lager gets. But I guess that is the entire point of the style.

>>64140985
>yurp
>good quality anything
lmao

>>64140993
>>64140982
>The Constellation is a class of multi-mission guided-missile frigates of the United States Navy based on the Italian Navy's version of the European multipurpose frigate or FREMM, also in service in several other navies of the world.
Are you still laughing?

>>64141000
where were they built? yuro stuff is shit, it's why they lose every war

>>64140940
Because shipbuilding capability is not what determined the outcome of the Pacific War

>>64141003
In teh USA! Which is why the first hull keeps getting delayed, first It was 2027, and now 2029. While the euro FREMMs keep getting produced at a steady rate in Europe. Imagine fucking up a ship despite having the blueprints

>>64141009
the yuro ships sink if you look at them wrong. it's why france, bongland and italy all lost wars to african nations in the 20th century

>>64141013
Did I slip back in time or something? Is this 2004? Did the US not just hand over Afghanistan to the Taliban after spending 20 years fighting them? How did that quality ship building work out there, Big Hoss?

Daily reminder that it was the fiasco in Somalia, aka blackhawk down, that convinced Osama Bin Laden that the US was unwilling to commit to fighting a war and sustaining casualties. I guess he was wrong and got killed but still a rather poor prize for 20 years of fucking about in the mountains and valleys of a shithole.

>>64140934 (OP)
>merchant ship production by gross tonnage
now do warships, my oh so very chinese friend.

Had the same thought as the OP, build the hulls in South Korea, fit them out in Italy, have the weapons systems installed in the US, so we dont have to export critical technology. Any ship that isnt nuclear can be built by allies.

>>64140940
Everyone mogs America in beer. For some reason Americans can only produce piss in a bottle

>>64140934 (OP)
The US gets mogged by Croatia in terms of shipbuilding capability.
This goes back to the age of sail, the US was the world leader in building wooden sailships, was late to the steamboat game as a consequence, and never caught up since.
Being dogshit at shipbuilding is a part of the American national character, like measuring distance in football fields or mutilating baby penises, you can't fix it.

>>64141041
italy lost a war to ethiopia and the bongs and frogs unconditionally surrendered to egypt

>>64141054
Honestly don't get why this can't be done. Short term it's a way to crank out 5+ DDGs because people have been saying that US shipbuilding is withering for the past 2 decades with nothing being done about it.

>>64141058
>>64141056
the only things yurop leads the US in are men wearing dresses and heat related deaths

>>64141064
>italy lost a war to ethiopia
Italy also won a war against Ethiopia and that makes it rather an exception to the rule. Besides, Italy couldn't win a war against Greece. How does that help the US withdrawing from from fucking Somalia?

>bongs and frogs unconditionally surrendered to egypt
Suez crisis? Ask me how I know you don't know what 'uncodnitional surrender' means. Egypt got fucked in the ass and only saved by US intervention that demanded the French and British (and Israelis) withdrawal.

>>64141009
Ok, but the Constellation-class isn't a FREMM. It's derived from the FREMM, sure, but it's its own thing and that was always the plan.

>>64140934 (OP)
>So why doesn't the USN just bite the bullet and let allied countries build warships for them?
Real answer?

No one in Congress owns a foreign shipyard, that's why.

>>64140934 (OP)
wait until you find out about French shipb uildig capacity.
The Euros are fucking dangerous

>>64140934 (OP)
It does. We have plenty of ships built by other countries.

>>64141056
Yes if you compare mass produced beer, no if you consider that America has far better indie beers than mass produced ones and Euro indie beers are mostly overrated.

>>64141110
Europe probably has hundreds of mass produced beer brands let alone microbrews. Every single country has several 'staple' beer brands and the European beer market is twice the size of the US and constitutes more than a third of the worlds beer market. The variety is so great that whenever someone talks about 'European' anything, let alone beer, he doesn't know what the fuck he's talking about.

Frankly the Germans go overboard with the entire "sie mussen zhis glass fur zhis bier oder wir shippen sie nach Dachau, ja?"

>>64140986
It's a very good classic pilsner but you can easily get something identical in quality from an American micro (often hardly micro anymore) brewery.
Pilsner is not a great metric for comparison, it's a solved beer and the difference between a decent, good, and great pilsner is pretty narrow

>>64141068
>men wearing dresses

its amazing how butthurt americans are over this

they are trully so fucking delusionals to think that they have any capacity to built faster than europe let alone asia as is

you fuckers have the jones act in place you literally shot your self on your foot thinking that you are a great super power and you could capitulate the greeks
meanwhile the greeks went straight to asia gave them the technology and now they own the fucking seas from bulk to lng to oil to everything almost
and you? you became irrelevant one destroyer per pluto years

>>64141171
>5head

>>64140934 (OP)
Doesn't matter. The Kingdom of the Two Sicilies had the largest merchant fleet in the Mediterranean and third largest in the world when it was conquered by British-sponsored mercenaries with direct fire support from the Royal Navy and had its economy forever broken, its ships and trade taken over by the British, it's nascent industries shipped up north, and its ruined people forced to emigrate en masse to become cheap labour in American factories.

Italy is a broken bitch for Anglo cock. Always has been.

>>64141099
/thread

>>64141171
Guess ayys do live among us?

>>64141068
Dont you have a recurring problem with towns getting deleted by some spicy winds?

>>64141255
>ayys
More like gayys lmao

>>64141176
yurop is shit at producing anything other than men wearing dresses and heat related deaths and most Americans hate your tranny country

>>64141068
>seething

>>64141006
WW2 ended in September 1945.

>>64141176
What tech did the Greeks give to Asians?
I know that Israel has given tons of tech to China since the starts of the 1990s.

>>64141073
Both the US and the Soviets were against European empires during the first half of the 20th century. Both wanted them to give up their colonies.
The Soviets were allied with Israel during the late-1940s through mid-1960s, whereas the US was very skeptical of Israel and preferred the Arab states during the 1950s.
The US started arming Israel in 1962. It was Jewish Democrats that pushed the US into increasingly backing Israel. The Soviets stopped recognizing Israel following the 1967 war.

>>64140934 (OP)
Don't worry about it. That number includes having to build stuff more than once, har-har.

>>64141076

I dont get why they are removing the sonar dome, its a must on a frigate. Make a longer bow with a retractable sonar dome if the problem is draft. And a 57 mm main gun is not enough for a frigate.

>>64140934 (OP)
>Merchant ships
Do you know why America doesn't build a bunch of merchant ships?
We have the giant consumer market that everyone wants access to. You build merchant ships to send us things. We do no need to build merchants ships, because everyone comes to us already.
(Note that this is the same myopic worldview that led China to being a cucked shithole for centuries)

>>64140986
It's pretty good, but as others have said Pilsners are hard to differentiate from one another. Now tripels on the other hand, I've seen only 1 American beer make a great beer in the style, the rest are mid to trash. That's a much harder style to be great in

>>64140934 (OP)
>Most shipbuilding
>One of the smallest navys in the world
Ohnononono eurosissies what is this

>>64141573
Belgians are the only ones that can consistently make dozens of different tripels and have them all be good

>>64141056
Hey, we can make some alright beers. Nothing really mainstream though because the average American has a shit palate and wants pisswater but you can find some truly delicious beers here

Cider's the superior drink anyway.

>>64140940
I thought euros don't drink since they're muslim, they can't even do that right ffs

Looks like the mutt is wobbling his fat folds in anger and envy. Shitflinging on a north macedonian knitting blog won't change the sorry state you're in. greetings from Marinette Marine (formerly Wisconsin), or as we call it now, Marinetta Marina.

>>64140934 (OP)
Because the US already has enough ships. That's why they don't build many. Basically just enough to replace old ones.

>>64141670
same with italy. the difference is that italy builds ships for other countries, takes commissions, and racks up money as a result.
this is just a symptom of your growing isolationism which haunts you ever since the foundation of the US and never really left you. i don't understand why honestly.

>>64141682
I forgot the U.S. doesn’t have a robust defense industry and Italy does

>>64141321
the greek shipowners actually paid a lot of greeks to go there and teach them on modern way of shipbuilding
(modern from the 60s back then) where greece was actually producing shit that was actually worth

>>64140940
They do

>>64141686
spare me your sarcasm. italy indeed has a strong defense industry, in case you haven't noticed. you're free to check it out yourself.

>>64141160
Can confirm, usually when you're in europe you're met with a sortiment of mass produced local beers and there's like two dozen to pick from, then you got other EU beers where there's a dozen to pick from and then you got foreign beers like japanese asashi or burger shit

>>64140934 (OP)
>shartaly
South Korea is the second biggest shipbuilder in the world. They used to be #1 before CHYNA overtook em.

>>64141670
>Because the US already has enough ships. That's why they don't build many. Basically just enough to replace old ones.
About that: https://news.usni.org/2025/07/07/carrier-john-f-kennedy-delivery-delayed-2-years-fleet-will-drop-to-10-carriers-for-1-year

>>64140934 (OP)
merchant ships are not warships, even the hulls are built to different standards

>>64141697
>the greek shipowners actually paid a lot of greeks to go there and teach them on modern way of shipbuilding (modern from the 60s back then) where greece was actually producing shit that was actually worth

By "there" you mean China or all the countries in East Asia? What decades was this?

>>64141056
>Americans can only produce piss in a bottle
I got called a boomer at work for liking IPAs. i'm 34, I think.

>Inb4 "boomer"

their ships are made out of pasta; ever see what happens when it hits water??

>>64140986
kozel is king of czech beers. god i love that shit. gambrinos is a close second

pilsner urquell is good out of a tap but out of the bottle its ok

>>64141865
IPA is strict millennial shit

>>64141876
Kozel is good but Gambrinus is hobo tier beer. King of czech beers is Radegast.

>>64141576
Well that makes sense, they invented the style after all. Though personally I think the best tripel is the Canadian Fin du Monde. Don't get me wrong I love Delirium and De Garre, enough to take a vacation to Belgium just to try it from the tap. But when I'm at the store and I have to choose between the three, I'm always going Fin

>>64141904
i went in 2014 and 2018, stayed in the town of czeska budwies. never got to try radegast; ill add to list when i visit next. czech folks are really fucking cool and their women are very very pretty

>>64141576
i prefer czech beer but belgians make really good higher alcohol content beers.

>Merchant Ship Production
Chingchong spotted

>>64142027
Where is constellation class FFG?

>>64140934 (OP)
how about we bring back shipbuilding to the u.s and employ thousands of zoomer without a living wage

>>64140934 (OP)
can you imagine how much we could improve the rust belt if we brought back shipyards to phily,camden,baltimore and newark/wilmington deleware. cmon bro

>>64142090
and along the length of the mississipi

>>64141665
looks like the yuro cuck is seething as he wears a dress because his third world country isn't relevant and doesn't produce anything good

>>64141705
italy has never won a war

>>64141619
Thinking is clearly not your forte, refrain from doing it.

>>64142135
ethiopia,turkey, and libya

>>64140934 (OP)
Merchant ships? No meaningful quality standards for a ship of war, high sulfur content welds, the same ships that the United States can't produce because the local equivalent of the ABS doesn't look the other way to support an "indigenous" industry? No thanks, little red brother.

>>64142141
italy did the job to all of those countries

>>64142197
yeah thats why i named them. are you retarded?

It makes no sense for America to build ships when it’s cheaper to let other countries to do it. This ain’t the win you think it is

>>64141433
They're going for a towed array for ASW (plus the LAMPS III SH-60 Seahawk) instead of the bow mounted sonar. The 57mm is perfectly fine, especially with modern ammunition. It's there to deal with swarming threats, not do shore bombardment

>>64142212
yes it does, our economy is in shambles and we have a deficit of jobs for american citizens tht pay a living wage.doing it for the sake of the economy is enough reason alone

>>64142220
Anon, who the fuck do you think is building them for the USN right now?

>>64142212
b-but how can China be numbah wan unless America numbah not wan?

>>64141851
i mean china
and i literally wrote 60s

>>64142209
did the job means lost to, retard. italy has never won a war and yurop is a third world county that can't make good stuff an can't win wars, retard. italian boats would sink. they'd be worse than brazilian or chinese rust buckets, tranny
>>64142212
yuro ships would be rust buckets of the lowest quality

>>64141576
I love tripel, doppelbocks and baltic porter because I'm a fat alcoholic.
I wish American micros made more strong styles than just IIPA skip though ngl some are really good and I get why they do it

Thank you for coming to my ted talk

>>64142249
*IIPA slop
Oops.

i tire of national dickwaving threads.

>>64142260
48 hour containment ban for posting on /int/ or /pol/ for the love of god

I only like pilsners and lagers and I'm so sick of memebeers.

>>64141304
i couldn't hear you over the fumes coming out of your ears, calm down.

>>64141619
Muslims can drink alcohol as long as it isn't distilled. Beer, wine, mead, and anything else of that ilk is halal.

>>64140934 (OP)
Because they aren't reliable, the Italians, I mean.

>>64142260
>>64142272
just ban yuros. they shit up the board with ukraine sloppa anyway
>>64142323
I couldn't hear you over the dick in your mouth

>>64142342
Fuck off back to your spaz thread, leverschizo.

>>64141758
Holy shit. Only ten carriers?! American is absolutely finished! This is just what Italy needs to be able to compete with all zero of it’s carriers!

>>64140934 (OP)
Why doesnt Italy have the biggest navy then? They just sitting on their thumbs?

>>64142364
eat shit, yuro

>>64142380
Cope and seethe, as it is one of your countryman calling you that.

>>64141758
>the USN will have to go a whole year with only ten 100,000-ton nuclear-powered supercarriers instead of eleven because the JFK's build schedule got fucked by Covid and since it was already being delayed they decided to replace its radar system and modify its hangar deck while it was still under construction instead of waiting until it goes in for mid-life upgrades sometime in the 2050s
...NOR CAN THE REPUBLIC LONG SURVIVE---!

[P.S. Going from 11 to 10 and back to 11 in less than a year is literally what the other anon said. We retire carriers at roughly 5 year intervals and we build a new one roughly every five years. We've had 11 carriers for the last 30 years (we had 13 before the USSR collapsed and the post-Cold War peace dividend hit), and in that time we've commissioned 5 new ones and decommissioned 5 old ones. China's been pumping out new ships for a decade and a half because they're trying to play catch up with the US (and they're still absolutely nowhere near parity btw), every new ship they add to their fleet means a higher percentage of the PRC's naval budget has to go towards upkeep and operating expenses, not new construction, and it won't be that long before they have to start retiring the oldest of their "new" modern ships (the age gap between the oldest destroyer in the USN and oldest destroyer in the PLAN is less than 3 years). Our new construction goes toward maintaining the size and modernity of our fleet, something which China will have to start doing in the near future, a trend that will only increase with time.]

tl;dr The USN isn't doing a buildup because it's already been built.

[P.P.S This isn't reddit spacing. It's clear paragraph breaks for legibility in a long post. Essmuhdee.]

>>64141619
Muslims made up "Europe" in the 70s so they could go to discos without Allah finding out

>>64142235
I thought you meant it started in the 60s and perhaps lasted for decade

>>64142440
I should point out that shipbuilding on both sides of a hypothetical US/China war would end up way less important than WW2, because unlike WW2, both sides theoretically have the ability to hit the other’s shipbuilding and industrial capability. Unlike WW2 where the US industry was next to invulnerable to either the Germans or the Japs.

>>64140982
>>64140993
>burger ships
>existing
ROFL.

>>64141003
>where were they built?
Europe. The actually existing and working ones, that is.

>>64141013
Nice projection.

>>64142235
I thought you meant it started in the 60s and perhaps lasted for decades.

>>64141076
Well yeah. It's the US fucking up an attempt at copying the FREMM, despite being given the full blueprints and technical assistance.

>>64142243
italy won every one of those wars i mentioned. again, are you retarded?

>>64142225
we dont build enough for it to have a positive impact on the economy and the places we used to build have fallen apart,because we no longer have that industry

>>64142385
you aren't American, yuro tranny
>>64142490
America has the best navy, yurop hasn't won a war in over 100 years and the yuropean navy is ass and every gun and ship they make is ass. they can't even make ACs in yurop

>>64142225
we dont produce any meaningful number of commercial ships

>>64142508
nope, they lost and surrendered, you retarded tranny

>>64142527
>aren't American, yuro tranny
Would you prefer to go on soc for my circumsized cock or is it more natural for you to watch from the chair in the corner?

>>64142536
you're legitimately mentally ill. they defeated Ethiopia and the ottoman turks

OP is relying on anons equating cargo ship construction with naval ship construction.

>>64142549
nope, turks and ethiopia rolled them, retard. like how egypt btfo'd frogland and bongland
>>64142546
you are an anti gun tranny yuro and you wear women's clothing and you seethe in henry threads

>>64142550
yeah, op is a gay retard

>>64142585
>anti gun tranny yuro
Nope, but did one steal your wife? Is that why you're frothing with rage?

>>64142612
a. you are
b. every gun owning American hates yurop because yuros are gay and retarded online

>>64142440
What gives me the most confidence about US total supremacy is that everyone already knows that China's navy is only big in numbers. But if you narrow it down even further to exclude ships without Aegis equivalent systems but include the subs, carriers, amphibious ships you get around 1.4m tons. Meanwhile the US navy has 3.5m tons with the same criteria. Achieving and maintaining a literal double up in modern ship capabilities is going to be prohibitively expensive for China.

>>64142649
>every gun owning American hates yurop because yuros are gay and retarded online
Kinda seems like its just you sperging out and spamning it here

>>64142686
nope, just pointing out you fags can't even make ACs and you expect me to believe you can build ships

>>64142585
>nope, turks and ethiopia rolled them
you are a pants shitting retard

>>64142726
>10,000 executed
holy kek

>>64141896
Who do you think got microbrewing started in the 70's and "rediscovered" IPA?

>>64142726
italy lost all that territory and was raped and gaped by turkey, retard

guys stop feeding the troll

Sickening how '''capitalism''' forced England to give away its shipbuilding industry.

>>64142928
that's because all bong men wear dresses and don't understand how to use powertools

>>64140934 (OP)
Because we decided not to be protectionist anymore for some retarded reason, unlike European countries, who still protect their markets. Hopefully, this is changing.

>>64141054
No, slam dunk this globalized branched supply chain comparative advantage garbage in the trash. Let's update, modernize, and rebuild capacity.

>>64142833
this is embarassing for you.

>>64143236
it's embarrassing for yurop being a bitch country that loses every war

>>64143247
>yurop being a bitch country
lol, lmao.

>>64142978
>Europe
>protectionist
>average import tariff 2%
lol, they didn't import US made products for the same reason why Americans don't buy them, they cost to much.

>>64140982
What are you on about? Shitalians has built awsome ships since centuries before America even existed...

>>64143418
yuros are poor
>>64143461
italy was founded in 1861, retard and italians lose every war and do nothing but corruption and crime

>>64142795
jimmy carter

>>64143481
venice and genoa ceased to exist before 1861?

>>64141041
It was a dumb game to play but we still won it. Wasn't fatally pyhrric. So like... what?

>>64141009
>Imagine fucking up a ship despite having the blueprints

Only because Europeans can't make proper blueprints. kek

>>64141056
be me
American as hell
wake up, shotgun already in my lap like it crawled there overnight for comfort
breakfast is black coffee and 4 eggs fried in bacon grease, seasoned with gunpowder for flavor
look outside, bald eagle lands on mailbox and salutes me, mail is just Bass Pro catalog and jury summons
hear neighbor starting his Prius, instinctively crank truck with V8 so loud his solar panels lose 3% efficiency
drive to range in lifted F-250 with 5 American flags, 2 don’t fit so they drag on the asphalt throwing sparks like Liberty fireworks
pull up blasting Toby Keith, radio cuts out halfway through and switches itself to the national anthem, truck won’t shut off until I finish singing
range instructor says I brought too much ammo
laugh in freedom units
open trunk, bricks of 5.56 fall out like candy at a parade, kid in stroller salutes before he can even walk
spend 3 hours double-tapping paper silhouettes shaped like British redcoats
one target is just IRS logo, feel adrenaline rush like my ancestors at Bunker Hill
finish shooting, crack open a Budweiser, tastes like manifest destiny
go home, grill 12 ribeyes for dinner, I live alone
dog is named “2nd Amendment”
sit on porch cleaning guns, fireworks spontaneously start in the distance, nobody knows who set them off, but we all nod in approval
realize it’s Tuesday

AMERICA. We slacked on the beer tho.

>>64143493
>we waz romans en sheeeeeet
italy was founded in 1861. italy loses every war because they are gay retards

>>64143481
If we go by that retarded metric the US formed in 1959, since that was when Alaska and Hawaii finally joined. Italian states cooporated and went to war with each other (much like US states did) long before 1861.

Also, the joint EU economy isnt that far from the US economy in size, and the EU isnt all of europe. But ill keep enjoying my awsome norwegian living standard while 10+ of your country is under the povety line lol

>>64143535
Italy may have been regularly shit at war, but saying that they lost WW1 or the 1935 war against ethiopia is just straight up lying. Also speaking of ships, their fleet in WW2 far outmatched the Kriegsmarine in both quality and quantity, but then again, thats not saying much

>>64143418
I've actually been to Europe many, many times. It is stupidly obvious they protect their markets.

>>64143558
This is why EU isnt working btw, it was supposed to be a free unionwide open market, but everyone who has spent a second here knows thats as far from reality as you can come.

>>64143519
If euros cant make proper blueprints, how come other countries can use them without any issue?

>>64143539
>If we go by that retarded metric the US formed in 1959, since that was when Alaska and Hawaii finally joined.
no, you are a gay retard. the US was founded when the constitution was ratified. we didn't change the constitution for Alaska and Hawaii.
yurop is a third world country where all the men wear women's clothing
>>64143557
they got dog walked in WWII

>>64143587
>yurop is a third world country
>yurop is a country
American education everyone. Just stop replying my clearly retarded negro, bait atleast used to be fun before. Also, tranny culture factually started in the United states if you want to open that can of worms.

>>64143598
American education went to the moon, yuro education invented trannies in the early 1900s and has 175,000 yuros dying per year due to not owning ACs

>>64143620
Atleast we know what a country is. The number of trannies in the US is by the way twice as high as in the EU (0,6% vs 0,3%), and yes the whole cunture of it comes from there, even if some old ass euro was the first one to chop his dick off.

>>64143620
Who lead the US space program again? Care telling us what country he was born in?

>>64143665
yurop is 99% tranny. yurop invented trannies and has exported trannies and homos to the rest of the world
>>64143672
James E. Webb and in the US

Half a liter of vodka rn help me

>>64142132
>>64142935
>>64141068
>>64141304
Im sensing some projection here

>>64144080
nope

>>64141000
Never should have fucking retired the OHP's

>>64143703
>yurop is 99% tranny. yurop invented trannies and has exported trannies and homos to the rest of the world
modern tranny "culture" is pretty decidedly american, if anything europe is pretty trans-sceptic with terf island and all that, we even have transphobic left wingers here thats crazy

>>64144118
literally every man in yurop wears a dress

>>64144142
Only your dad when he visits

>>64144104
The OHPs did need to be replaced, the problem was that the replacement was the fucking LCS and not an actual frigate with 24-32 VLS.

>>64144149
my dad has never been to the third world country of yurop, your dad had his balls removed

>>64142330
Distilled liquor didn't exist in Muhammed's time so any mention of alcohol can't have referred to it, and it alone. Also, the Quran specifically calls (grape) wine a no-no. Now if there's any argument to be made for Muslims being allowed to get responsibled-faced it has to be a type of alcohol that Muhammed couldn't have banned because he was unaware it was even a possibility. That means no brewing, no viticulture, in fact nothing made from any kind of grain, fruit, or honey. So distillation (an unknown means of making alcohol in 7th-century Arabia) and potatoes (a New World plant), i.e. vodka.
Therefore, Everclear is less haram than 3.2 beer.

>>64144158
Lets be honest. He has. He crossdresses like the faggot he is. He won't talk about it back home though

>>64142490
>ROFL
I can smell the gutter oil coming off of this post.

>>64144175
nope. you are thinking of every man in yurop

>>64144157
Imaginer the timeline where we built an OHP follow-on instead of the LCS and the Zumwalts were air defense cruisers.

>>64144255
No just of your dad (one person)

>>64142249
>I wish American micros made more strong styles than just IIPA
you can get Imperial Stout from most large craft breweries
My fav is North Coast Old Rasputin

>>64144341
nope, my dad's not a yuro. you are thinking of your dad and his father

>>64144367
No I was thinking of (your) dad. He loves to dress up in Europe

>>64144409
nope, it's your dad, his father, you and your husband

>>64144417
No your dad doesn't talk about it but it's a fact. Check em

>>64144420
nope, your dad. since yuros are a cowardly race all the men are castrated at birth and given to the new yuropeans as eunuch sex slaves

>>64141176
Sar, this is for the merchant fleet and does not apply to pleasure, naval, or research.

>>64140940
Or guns for that matter

>>64144104
>>64144157
>>64144269
Holy shit, you idiots never fail to out yourselves.

>>64145151
1. The LCS were mistakes
2. If the Zumwalts had been super-Ticos instead of the world's least efficient way of delivering 25 pounds of explosives we would have built more than three of them
3. The Oliver Hazard Perrys were based af and also you're gay.
4. The USN needs frigates and an iterative of the OHP-class would have been a good starting point if we had only done it thirty years ago.

>>64145200
>doesn't even know what he is fighting about
>just emotionally lashing out on anything and everything because someone had the temerity to disagree with him
Shove a tampon up your vag and fuck off

>>64142215
>It's there to deal with swarming threats, not do shore bombardment

A 127 mm is also good for shooting up other ships, a 57 mm is not.

>>64144365
I mean true old rasputin is good shit. But expensive compared to pic related at bi mart for like $2.50 a 500ml bottle which is pretty good itself.

>>64145975
And the presence of a good handful of porters while we're drowning in IIPA still doesn't change my point.
American microbreweries need to make more a more diverse selection of strong style beers.

>>64145308
>>>doesn't even know what he is fighting about
>>just emotionally lashing out on anything and everything because someone had the temerity to disagree with him
>Shove a tampon up your vag and fuck off
The projection here is astonishing.

>>64145914
"Swarming threats" don't required a 127mm to destroy.

>>64146279
>The projection here is astonishing.
Retake Psych 101.

>>64141006
Yeah and Chinas shipbuilding mogs the US now by a considerable amount

>>64146424
Shipbuilding will get too expensive for China by 2028
>>64142440
>>64142485
>>64142677

>>64148563
so no invasion of taiwan ever?

>>64148643
Probably going to happen then cause it coincides with peak military members at maximum training

>>64148657
good i hope they do. then trump can use ww3 as a catalyst for staying in office.

there is no viable candidate for 2025 worth voting for

>>64143418
Now look at how foreign companies literally aren't allowed to be in-market or buy european countries

>>64148902
>foreign companies literally aren't allowed to be in-market
I read this drinking my coca cola, next to my Nividia graphics card PC running Windows with my Ford car keys in my pocket while my washing machine is spinning with a prockter and gamble brand of laundry detergent
they aren't that's a retarded cope, but they do need to meet EU standards. If you want to, that's not hard to do. But most US manufacturers don't want to because that's a second production line and their product will be more expensive anyways due to higher wage costs and transportation. So there isn't much of an export market anyways, so why bother?
>buy european countries
no you can not buy a country
assuming you mean to say company, you are free to provided you aren't running foul of a anti-monopoly law, just like in the US
>>64143558
>it's super protectionist
>can't point out how it is
>it just is okay
I think you are confusing having differing (higher) standards with protectionism
I'm happy that you are content with cancertipodina being used to add an other day or so of shelf life to some product because it hasn't been proven to give you ball cancer (the producers of cancertipodina are suing several researchers that have done so but while those court cases are on going they can keep using it)
we just ask that you prove it doesn't before you start adding it in

but I do like a lot of American brands and goods. Most of my cloths are American brand cloths, but they are made in China just like those sold in the US.

>>64144856
nigga cut the crap you have absolutely no fucking clue how things work and it shows
>no no shipyards will survive only on warships that they are needs once per 15 years!

trully magnificent thinking

>>64142795
Larry Bell

>>64150110
kek

>>64148667
you only like trump because hes funny, you pretend he is any good at his job.

>>64141577
All mainstream beer is like that, even in Europe

>>64153902
No, immigration is just the most important issue in this country and there is no qualified successor for 2028

>>64154031
Going through 40 million visa holders is insane though, can't we just stick to the illegals?

>>64141058
>just saying shit for the fun of it

>>64148958
If it's really about just about quality, why don't I see more superior Japanese cars than German ones on European roads?

>>64155634
Ask me how I know you’re indian