Thread 64141294

Do all miniguns fire if manually rotated?

>>64141294 (OP)
Only one way to find out.

>>64141294 (OP)
Was there actually any accident where some retard rotated the minigun and it fired a big ass hole in him?

>>64141318
It's normally the way warnings get put up.

>>64141327
>Sir,
>A squad of junior airmen were tasked with cleaning the gunship in the hangar bay...

>>64141294 (OP)
>get rotated idiot

>>64141294 (OP)
Yes. Since they all work based on the forced feeding, forced firing, forced ejection Gatling principle with cams they will work even if the hydraulic or electric motor doesnt power them.
That being said: Some of them are electrically fired - no firing pin. Means you rotate them manually they will work but not go bang - unfired rounds will be ejected then

>>64141341
The wife works as a health and safety supervisor for a major company. You wouldn't believe the shit she's personally seen and that's in their training material.

>>64141294 (OP)
>Minigun
>Is big

>>64141294 (OP)
No, only if the feeder-delinker is clutched in, otherwise it has nothing to feed and fire.
Yes, I've watched testing of a M134D mounting by firing short bursts without electric power by wrapping a rope around the barrel-stack and pulling it to get a few rotations, but the clutch has to be engaged.
Normally, with 24v the motor-unit spins the barrels up to the desired rate then the F-D starts feeding the rounds into the mechanism, when the trigger switch goes off, the F-D stops feeding thwn the lazt few rounds in the cycle finish off firing and again the stack spins empty.

>>64141499
>Still somehow also mini

What a fucking liability. Seriously? There is no mechanical failsafe to ensure nothing happens if power isn’t plugged in? Like idk, maybe a bar that comes down and keeps the firing pins or bolts from moving all the way forward.

>>64141499
For you.

>>64141491
Well, tells us, anon. It sounds interesting.

>>64141499
it's relative

>>64141508
*thru the last
That warning label on the AH-1 is for worst-case scenario where the feeder is somehow engaged

>>64141349
M61 has a separate "safety track" where the bolts and cartridges bypass the gun so it can immediately stop shooting when the trigger is released, instead of waiting for the barrel to brake

>>64141491
Post more

preferably scan the manual if it isn't classified

>>64141294 (OP)
No, many can be spun up without firing by the feeder having a clutch but some are fixed drive and will fire when spun.

>>64141318
Yes. It's difficult but, possible.

https://www.airforcetimes.com/news/your-air-force/2018/10/16/belgian-air-force-mechanic-opens-fire-by-mistake-blows-up-another-f-16/

>>64141327
I know but I think this time they put the sign there upfront just in case. Same with claymore and the "do not eat" warning.

>>64141559
That was because soldiers were cutting little cubes off the explosive and using it to start cook fires, then using the same knife to eat with. In addition to being an explosive RDX is a pretty potent neurotoxin, so even the residue left on the knife was enough to cause symptoms.

>>64141591
Man, RDX is so cool.

>>64141557
IIRC that was a maintainer pulling the trigger with the ground safety turned off because they were testing the pylons.

>>64141591
EODfag.
Nope, RDX is pretty inert pharmacologically so you can get it all over your hands working it to shape.
However because its pretty stable in the body, eating it trashes your liver and kidneys as it doesn't break down in digestion.
I knew one Engineer retard who ate a whole stick on a dare. He needed organ transplants.
WW2 Brit SOE even made RDX flour in bags so the French resistance could smuggle it around as ingredients and even bake it into bread loaves. They could then wet the bread back to a 'mush' as a form of plastique, but again it was safe to nibble a bit if tested by the Germans but not recommended to make a sammich.

Why did Nam era vets eat it? Apparently the legend back then was eating C-4 got you 'high' as in stoned not as in 'high from detonating'.
As already said, they'd also use small pieces for cooking as it burns daster and hotter than un-nitrated Hexamine fuel tablets, but both produce toxic fumes if youre in an enclosed trench or bunker.
A lump as big as a thumbnail will boil a half full canteen cup.

>>64141794
What’s up Danny

>>64141318
Knowing it's the military.... policies are written in blood anon

>>64141294 (OP)
Look down the barrel and turn it.
If you see a flash then it's one that can fire if turned

>>64141543
>>64141515
Probably the funniest one she's told me was about one of the factory's roof, it needed cleaning so they hired a company. The contractors turned up and looked at the roof and said no way, that's not safe we're not going up there.
So the manager told one of the maintenance staff to go up and clean the roof. He climbed up there and started and as he was going he fell through the roof.
So the factory health and safety guy went up to write up his report and see what happened and he also fell through the roof.
Then the factory manager decided he needed to go up there to see what happened and see what the situation was and while looking at these two holes in the roof, you've guessed it, he fell through the roof as well. So my wife drove out from corporate HQ and put up a sign saying "Don't go on the roof."

Another one I vividly remember was in one of workshops they used an air gun for something, like putting in rivets I think, I'll have to ask what, and one of the workers thought it would be funny to stick it up the other guy's bum and set it off. Unfortunately these things apparently have an ungodly PSI when they come out and the blast of air went through two layers of clothing, up the guy's rectum and did internal injuries. The prankster was arrested and charged with assault, I'm not sure what happened beyond that.

>>64141878
Maybe if you are a p*ccian

Come from an actual white country like the UK and there are a base common level of competency underlining operations

>>64142146
Hahahahaha, read a book by any elisted that isn't some SF guy bragging how amazing he is, they are full of stories of completely retarded shit they did.

>>64142146
lol, lmao

>>64142146
What are you talking about? The royal navy was notorious for being behind the safety curve with their resistance to change. Look at when they finally dropped muzzle loading cannons.

>>64142146
Dude I'm from a white country and I can confirm that almost all safety policies are, as the guy said, written in blood. The net of competency lets quite a few retards slip through.
This is me btw >>64142111

>>64141294 (OP)
It depends on the gun, but some will absolutely bite you by messing with them. Back in I think 2010 there was 3 Poo's in the Indian Navy doing maintenance on an AK630 that got pink-misted when it went off.

>>64142111
At that point they really shouldn't need a sign and just consider it an IQ test. Lawyers would ruin all the fun though

>>64142155
>>64142157
I'm pretty sure the post was written specifically to elicit responses like >>64142156

It's turdies and Russians trying to divide and conquer and cause fights for their entertainment again.

>>64142164
I'd buy it, allowing the end of colonialism was a mistake desu

>>64141591
>That was because soldiers were cutting little cubes off the explosive and using it to start cook fires
A quite old tradition, metal detecting fanatics in Europe claim a lot found shit was cracked open supposedly for this very reason

>addition to being an explosive RDX is a pretty potent neurotoxin
It also fucks your kidneys pretty bad, it was even used as rat poison at one point
Its toxicity is one the reasons a replacement was searched for, and a pretty interesting one, TKX-50, was found by Klapötke's group which is pretty well known in the business of energetic materials
It turned out that it not only outdoes heksogen and oktogen it's also less sensitive than them so, after a century, we might finally see a successor to RDX
>tfw another compound they tested required the replacing of the laser in the raman spectrometer with a weaker one because the stock one inevitably set it off

>>64142164
>someone calls your armed forces competent, and you immediately think it’s Russians mocking you
Lol, the absolute state

>>64142157
>What are you talking about? The royal navy was notorious for being behind the safety curve

Funny it’s never the RN slamming into fishing and commercial vessels. Glass houses and all that.

>>64142146
Whiteys are no less prone to bouts of incredible stupidity and most bonglanders never see a gun in their lifetimes. There is no 'inherent competence' here, the army has to train people from level 0 and keep them from hurting themselves in training. It's a serious limiter on national readiness that we don't have a, let's call it gun-literate, populace to recruit from. Bong engineers don't really understand firearms either, look at the entire fiasco of the L85, or the overcomplicated and fragile mounting solution for the L2A2 SUIT on the L1 rifle.
>>64142164
I hate english 'people' because I have to fucking be one.

>>64142163
>AK630
That's just the machine spirit lashing out in anguish. Bought into existence by r*ssians and then sold to poos. The horror. The horror.

>>64142175
>RN slamming into fishing and commercial vesse
And this pussyfooting is specifically why Britain lost fishing zones to the fucking Danes.

>>64142178
>Bong engineers don't really understand firearms either
And yet the built one of the best sniper rifles
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accuracy_International_Arctic_Warfare

>I hate english 'people' because I have to fucking be one.
Sure, sure.

>>64142175
Oh, it's the chink fanasist thirdie.

>>64142178
There is no inherent competence anywhere in the potable tap water countries, 'sure bro' isn't a free pass and they just stick everyone through training, then displayed ability for anyone that needs it
That way the tick ends up on a form somewhere and anything retarded you do that wasn't part of training. Well its not really service related training!

>>64142170
Even in white countries (pre-influx of inbreds), half of the population had 2-digit IQ.
OSHA exists for a reason.

>Thirdies melting down in unrelated threads
Ok, what blew up?

>>64142190
But that was designed and built by three guys in a shed and had catastrophic failures after it was outsourced to be build by an established arms factory.

>>64142184
Fairly sure even the russhits wouldn't know how an A630 works by now, anyone who made them originally are in the lostech generations and anyone born from the 90's onwards is now running around parts of Ukraine with orthodox purity seals on their arses

>>64142210
>had catastrophic failures
Proofs?

>by three guys in a shed
And? I'm not sure how this would invalidate my point.

>>64142213
Fairly sure they never worked.

>>64142206
>>64142191
>>64142164

You are being observable mate

>>64142226
>Posts a thirdie /chug/ image
Nailed it. Goddamn, when I'm right, I'm right.

>>64142178
Your narrative about gun laws in the UK is noted, vasily. I am sure everyone is very demoralized.

>>64142239
It is quite the spectacle when thirdies try to emulate US rhetoric which largely misunderstands gun laws in bongland. Those who need guns, can get them. Military readiness is a different topic all together, but somewhere in the Kremlin they decided to blend these into one. Quite specific and odd how he does this.

>>64142219
They had some fairly weird shit mess of singular fire control that used to run multiple systems of a single radar
So you can only imagine the smell of burnt FR4 insulation, cloth wrapped wiring running through everything, sea water and being poked by people trying to figure out whats fucked. They did like to stick them on basically everything for +2 morale

>>64142233
Damn, anon, share your turdspotting wisdom. At this point, it's easier for me to tell who's white, but I can't tell them all either because even whites aren't what they used to be.
But you've literally pinpointed all the turdies and russoids. That's some deeper level understanding and noticing.

>>64142280
Turdies have been shitting themselves lately because the UKGOV is trying to be the adult in the room when it comes to 4chan.
>Nooo, not my heckin space to groom american threat actors!!!

>>64142290
>adult in the room
Fuck off
t. free speech absolutist

>>64142245
>somewhere in the Kremlin they decided to blend these into one
What the fuck are you talking about.
Military readiness has always benefited from civilian experience because the civilian populace is where the military recruits from. England won a lot of battles with the French by mandating its civilians to practice with the bow, it historically also had a lot of experienced sailors to press-gang from coastal towns to crew its navy. If I'm not misinformed, Germany in the 19th century trained civilian hunters to be snipers because they had more familiarity with rifles.
The more familiar the civilian populace is with weapons and etc before being recruited, the easier they'll be to train and so the faster the military will be able to expand in the outbreak of war; An armed populace is like surge capacity for the military.
>>64142290
Anon posts worst bait ever, asked to leave the Labour Party.

>>64142462
>Military readiness has always benefited from civilian experience because the civilian populace is where the military recruits from. England won a lot of battles with the French by mandating its civilians to practice with the bow
That's very different. A longbow takes years to master. King Edward III once said: “If you want to train a longbowman, start with his grandfather.” A person can be bought up to a pretty good standard with a gun in 6 months, the british army's been doing it for generations. Because here's the thing, even before the banning of firearms, most brits would never have handled a gun.

>>64142210
>catastrophic failures after it was outsourced
Happens often, happened with the M14 notoriously. Some of the reliability problems with that rifle were the result of contractors struggling to build it properly rather than inherent design flaws.

>>64142505
if contractors are having trouble with tolerances or special treatments or whatever, it is the designer's fault
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OmwUnG51_So

>>64141794
I also heard the story about eating it to get high

>>64142111
You know what, I probably also would have checked that roof out

>>64142491
When the Brits had to mass conscript troops for the Boer war for the first time in forever, they had such a horde of syphilitic, rickets stricken, malnourished ghoul troop that they couldnt even use half of them for sentry duty on the home front. Churchill wrote a book about it.

No doubt results would be similar if you were to try to conscript the hordes of chavs, pakis and nigerians that are the British underclass today.

>>64142685
Scallies are quite robust. If you can stop them from stealing equipment they'll make strong soldiers.

>>64142398
>t. free speech absolutist
Ok, yeah, something big must have gotten hit today. What a shitshow.

>>64142685
They still won though.

>>64142146
>all the shart seethe this post caused
Still the truth, however. How many scandals has the UK endured where veterans wither away from toxic chemicals while abandoned on the fucking streets?

How many, as noted, collisions has the UK caused at sea lately?

The best that the little shitters can do is bring up overblown migrant crimes (first gen immigrants to bloody anywhere have their issues, piss off) and professional licensing requirements to own guns as is a difference in firearms culture.

>>64141294 (OP)
>>64141349
I recently read Clear and Present Danger and Tom Clancy wrote that Jack Ryan would "spin up" the MH53's minigun with a button and keep it spinning prior to depressing the trigger to actually shoot. This angered me greatly and I am therefore posting it.

>>64142821
>>64142829
Lol, less than two minutes between these posts as the turdie comes back to try and reignite the argument that was smothered earlier.

>>64141491
https://youtu.be/B3kngIqC1wg?si=nhCF9tsYcqdyZbkD

>>64142821
>Reddit
Back to /pol/

Fair warning, >>64142821 is the same zigger who posted >>64142146 to false flagged. And >>64142462 tried them to conflate gun politics as is their glavset procedure to consensus crack. >>64142829 was also his samefagging to false flagged. Don’t let him distract with these psyops trying to divide UK from all the support it gets from allies.

>>64142945
>Don’t let him distract with these psyops trying to divide UK from all the support it gets from allies.
Actually you do this because you enjoy watching westerners argue, not because it's a psyops. But you are turdie or a Russian.

>>64142860
Thinking about this got me secondary mad so I went and found it. Clancy is typically accurate with gear descriptions so this really stood out.

>>64143005
It’s not working Rajesh. Quaint though, to see you trying this type of reply against the posts which are calling you out.

>>64142190
We're seriously due for the mods to start enforcing shit with you circular firing squad faggots who behave as if we're in the Thing or got fucking Cylons running around. There's a cosmic irony as well in that it's a peak Russian behavior to allow no criticism of your own country but rather to blame it on boogeyman outsiders. IE exactly what you are doing.

I mean how much of a faggot do you have to be to be turning a topic about miniguns turning and workplace safety violations into Slavshit faggotry.

>>64143063
The jannies are really good about taking down obvious russian shilling but they let this shit run amok in its place, they're doing half a job.

>>64143063
If Russians wouldn’t come here and show their ass by defaming actual western countries, then it wouldn’t be necessary to call you/them out.

>>64143063
>Mods, please delete the posts calling out my false flags
You aren’t fooling anyone

>>64141294 (OP)
they're mechanized differently than a chaingun

miniguns have to rotate up to speed and then the fire button adds the ammo and you can burst with it

>>64143329
What? Lmao you have never fired a minionw if you believe that. One button push is all you need, it rotates and fires the gun regardless of how fast it’s spinning

>>64142945
he was doing the exact same thing in the B2 plastic bag thread.

>>64141491
As a veteran mechaneck with a social worker wife, and former RN 2yr gf,
I'd absolutely belive every story.

>>64143440
Was your girlfriend crazy in bed? My experience with nurses is they're kinda slutty.

>>64143513
Thata why it was only 2 years! She was a mexican with a F A T ass. Being a white boy in the zog we fucked liked rabbits, but she could be mean and ugly. Break shit, scream and throw shit, jealous of a paper bag with tits drawn on it. Great expierence, don't miss it. If you're white, shack up with a crazy brown girl at least once but careful as they are semen vacuums, do not knock her up.

On the ship I'm pretty sure that the CIWS wouldn't fire if rotated. It needed both high pressure air and electricity to operate, and it is an electrically primed system. I did see a ND with the M242 Bushmaster (we called it a mk38). Idiot gunner's mates tried to cycle rounds through the chamber for a maintenance check and it ripped off a few DU and a few HE rounds directly over the freighter we were escorting. The tech pub explicitly tells you not to do this but I'm not sure any of those guys could read.

>>64142169
>tfw another compound they tested required the replacing of the laser in the raman spectrometer with a weaker one because the stock one inevitably set it off
I do love the warnings and safety reports you get on papers about nitrogen and flourine chemistry. "Remains of the ignited sample deflagrated vigorously on contact with extinguishing sand" being one of my favorite.

>>64141491
>You wouldn't believe
you're right, i dont believe women.

>>64141509
what size is the biggun

>>64144162
20mm

>>64143647
So the standard Latina experience? Worked with one not that long ago and when a cop came in she asked him some legal stuff about the last time she was at a bar that sounded like she was going to start a fight with the bouncer, and wanted to know who the cops would have sidedwith if they had been called. I miss that girl, she was nice, at least at work, and was the only woman I've ever met that liked Moyley Crue.

>>64144162
That's an m61 Vulcan, which is a 20mm rotary cannon built for fighter jets.

>>64142169
>Klapötke
absolute madman. working with him must be a blast, excuse the bad pun

>>64142146
kek I didn't knew there was this many nons in /k/
look at all this seethe

>>64142111
Incredible.

>>64141318
Are you fucking kidding me?
The first thing I'd do when placed in a mini gun's general proximity is rotate the barrel.
The sign would probably slow me down, but you'd need to have a chaperone with me because I'd start sweating and foaming at the mouth because I wanted to touch the rotaty spinny gun thing and my lizard brain was causing me physical duress.

And I've legitimately got a fucking aerospace parent to my name, there are people way dumber than me around those things every day.

>>64141294 (OP)
My father used to assemble and test the 20mm. I had the step by step manual as a 5th grader. At Ft Bliss one time they shot at Turkey vultures flying over the range they were on.

>>64142146
>UK
>White country

>>64144678
>Anti-UK turdie trying to resurrect his bad faith argument YET AGAIN

Wow this thread went to shit, what's geopolitical event happened this time

>>64144747
I like European countries. You just can't claim something that's not true anymore, sorry

>>64144762
The Royal Navy appointed its first hindu chaplain today, Bhanu Attri

>>64141499
lmao this is my favorite thread

>>64142146
Trust me, EVERY military has stupid motherfuckers, whether they're enlisted or officers.

>>64141510
5 bucks for the bar, another 20 for the electromagnet
what do you think, the MIC is made of money?!

>>64142146
this nigger never served and it shows, if you knew the type of shit that went down when i was in the bundeswehr (which is and was more White than any bong branch, possibly ever) you would be surprised

>>64144162
I think they put wings and a cockpit on that gun and call it a plane.

>>64144162
>>64146289(me)

Nevermind, I thought you were referring to this (>>64146173) gun.

>>64141294 (OP)
>minigun
>is a big gun
???

>>64144162
Bend over and I’ll show you

>>64141517
Why are old battleship batteries always composed of 3 cannons?

>>64148112
Frenchie answered before you ever asked

>>64142673
I would as well, but I like to think I would have stopped at the top of the ladder and just looked.

>>64148112
They weren't.
Bunch of countries settled on 3 guns because it was best compromise between having multiple guns, having big guns and having if light enough.

>>64141491
Based, I’m an ESH supervisor at a national lab, people with PhDs have chink-tier self preservation instincts.

>>64142660
The "C-4 high" is early stage toxic encephalopathy. It's safe to handle normally (the molecule is huge and won't go through your skin) but you absolutely should not eat any.

>>64141557
Vulcan is hydraulically spun and uses electronic primers. You aren't firing it by hand by feeding past the delinker like an M134.

>>64149722
>but you absolutely should not eat any.

>>64142169
Sucks we don't get any good chem threads anymore. Anyone who posts any good info gets shouted down as a glowie by the shills, tourists and actual glowies.

>>64144162
The picture is labeled, retard.

>>64141509
>>64146173
Pussy shit

>>64142169
>>64144055
>>64144353
I like nitrogen triiodide. It will detonate if you just put non-enriched uranium near it.

>>64149790
Painting a little wet nitrogen triiodide on the doorframe then leaving the door ajar is an absolute classic chem lab prank.

>>64149772
>>64149775
Why not just use the normal Bofors 40mm ammo?
Did the 37mm somehow better performance?

>>64149041
That's what I'm thinking, I refuse to step foot on our factory roof, owners friend patches it with fucking lauan plywood, but I'll stand on the ladder landing.

>>64152552
Bofors 40mm is basically 40x310, so a good bit bigger and likely also a lot perkier than 37x219 (a Bofors 40mm L70 is certainly loud as all hell), with all that entails regarding weight, bulk, ammo capacity and recoil.

>>64152667
>40x310
Actually, screw that, more like 40x365.

>>64148112
The bigger the turret ring, the more difficult it is to manufacture, which is why older ships have a lot of 2 gun turrets, but for a given total count of guns, fewer turrets with more guns per turret are more weight efficient for a given level of protection, so the trend was for 3 and then 4 gun turrets. However, as fleet speeds increased as power plant design improved, it was found that turrets above a certain turret width/hull beam ratio negatively affected top speed by forcing a ship to have a blunter bow and wider hull. Combining this factor with larger bore and higher bore pressure guns meant that there was no-longer any room for 4 gun turrets and 4 gun turret ships became merely an oddity of an era.

>>64148112
More guns per turret saves weight.
More guns per turret makes shit more complex, harder to both manufacture and keep working at sea. And not linearly, going from the to three ain't easy, but from three to four is much worse.

>>64152667
Ah, so they were a bunch of fuckin pussies.

>>64152552
The biggest Gatling ever constructed, what could have been...

>>64152552
>>64149772
>It was fed by 6-round clips which were loaded into a 32 clip pan magazine
>192 rounds total, with a variable rate from 120 rounds/min to 3000 rounds/min
Extremely cool, but genuinely what did they mean by this?

>>64141294 (OP)
what if you put a fan around it so that when you are flying forward it spins and shoots lol

>>64153941
Anti-air against jets, but they abandoned the project when it became clear than rockets would be much more practical for the purpose.

>>64141294 (OP)
Why did they stop using these turrets with a grenade launcher and a chaingun?

>>64155958
Not a chaingun.

>>64142146
>UK
>white
Somebody tell him

>>64144397
Sub detected

>>64142216
Win some lose some, but it's fucking embarrassing that their service rifle was made by people who never even shot a gun and had to be fixed by true experts (HK)

>>64156854
It's shitposting retard. How fucking retarded are you? It's to do EU vs UK division shit. How easy are you to fool?

>>64156867
Funny you assume calling the UK is a white country is in bad faith. Sounds like you may be brown.