Thread 64142522

What kind of sword is Blade using in the movies? It's definitely NOT a katana. Is it purely a fantasy sword or is there a real world analogue?

>>64142522 (OP)
Think its based off the ninjatō but I could be wrong?

>>64142522 (OP)
>What kind of sword is Blade using
a blade

some kind of a Gladius style prop

>>64142553
Nah. Ninjato tend to look like katana.

It's a fantasy sword.

Looks like one of those boring chinese swords

>>64142566
Gladii are shorter, thicker, and one-handed.

>>64142570
Not really even if modern depictions are all based on replicas?

It's similar to an Omani style Saif/Kattara, but it's probably a mix of European and Asian styles put together by the prop department blending ninjato, jian, rapier, and bastard sword

>>64142625
There is no historical evidence for that style of sword ever existing. There are examples you can see in musems in Japan, like the pic you posted, but they are modern.

The "ninjato" is a product of modern ninja fiction, probably based on misunderstandings of older straight japanese swords (tsurugi), and the fact that some katana and wakizashi are very close to straight, or perhaps confusion with straight-bladed Chinese swords.

>>64142564
This, you motherfuckers are just trying to skate uphill

>>64142734
That's true but doesn't detract that the sword in Blade might be based off said ninja fiction?

>>64142742
>not iceskate uphill
You had ONE job anon!

>>64142744
That is totally fair. In fact you're exactly right, ninjato don't have to be historically accurate for the movie prop to be based on or inspired by them.

>>64142625
No. Ninjato have a different tip, sharpened on only one side, and have tsuba handguards.

>>64142564
>a blade
>>64142742
>This, you motherfuckers are just trying to skate uphill
>>64142750

>>64142522 (OP)
>Is it purely a fantasy sword
Basically everything in the Blade movies are fantasy;
>spray foam explosives
>batarangs?!
>functional silver ammo
>UV strobes? - possibly practical
>l4 ultra-light plates form-fitted to his pecs
It's been so long that I don't remember everything but I'm sure I cringed at the other gadgets and the guns too.

So expecting the sword to be a late-empire era Glaius in the Iberian legionnaire style is just ridiculous.
It's probably based on a Gladius because they look cool but stretched out to long-sword length and given a... cutless tip? Dadoa or machete maybe? And a Tsuba-like Gladius hilt because Katanas are cool as fuck.

Whoever was prop maker for this (I bet it was the raping-blob lol) was probably having a good ol' wank over this, throwing in all sorts of edgy shit from every era.
And since Whistler is apparently a /his/k/ autist and probably forged it himself, who the fuck knows what he was thinking of except that it would look cool as hell cutting vampire heads off.

>>64142522 (OP)
It's not a historical sword, and in universe it's just something Blade and Whistler made. From its length and flexibility and general shape it would be most comparable to a Chinese straight sword, though it almost has the cross section of a Backsword I saw somewhere.

>>64143821
>functional silver ammo
Which is totally plausible you fucking pseud.

>>64142522 (OP)
It's a Jian with a completely fictional hilt.

>>64142522 (OP)
A blade coated in gnome semen(so you KNOW its good).

>>64142566
Not. Gladius is a one handed sword.

>>64142570
Dead wrong.
Its shorter and not curved.

>>64142625
This.

>>64143769
KEK

>>64146206
>Not. Gladius is a one handed sword.
I think it started as a Gladius combined with a mall-edition Ninja-to, upsized it for movie-kenjutsu then they slapped on a Gladius hilt crossed with a tsuba and fucked around with the tip a little.

>>64144758
If I touch the thingies on his shoulder will he explode?

>>64143821

I'm glad that I have about 10 fewer IQ points than you, so that I don't succumb to Dunning Krueger, lose my ability to suspend disbelief, and ruin all popular media for myself forever.

>>64146728
>If I touch the thingies on his shoulder will he explode?
Ask Jackie Wells.

>>64146728
You’d feel really guilty about it later.

>>64146697
Its profile looks nothing like a gladius and it clearly has no tsuba nor handguard of any kind.

>>64146206
>Its shorter and not curved.
That was in reference to the tosogu you'd typically see on katana which Blade's sword has none. Stop being a faggot.

>>64142596
The Chinese jian is the closest resemblance. Obviously some cinematic liberties were taken with the trick anti-theft device. Other than that, blade profile, hilt length, and minimalist handguard are in line with many traditional jian designs.

Anybody calling it a ninjato or gladius is a fucking imbecile.

It's a bayonet with a fantasy handle but it's a turn of the century old style sword bayonet.

>>64144758
I think those are supposed to be nubs for traction when you need to stabilize against a hardpoint for traction taking a shot but your plate is rounded and would otherwise skid. Then animators stick them wherever.

I sort of dislike threads like this where everyone spitballs over a 200% answerable question. Someone just needs to go and find Tony Swatton's email and ask him.

>jian
>jian
>jian
on what fucking basis, that is has no guard?
chinese jian did have guards, often quite ornate, most commonly this sideways-winged-looking thingy

Blade's swords are probably based on European arming swords but worn like ninja swords because ninjas are cool

>>64147050
we don't care that much
anyone interested in the answer is only interested in a spitball or WAG opinion

And what about this? What is it? The "dagger" I'm talking about, not the blonde, the girl is Buffy.

>>64147235
Man, her grip is shit.
She must have trained in at least a little martial arts and weapons for that show, what's with that shit grip?
That's not early in the shoe run either I don't think.

>>64147107
>on what fucking basis, that is has no guard?
>chinese jian did have guards

Literally NOBODY in this thread has has said that jian don't have handguards. You're literally making shit up just to argue against it and look like you've made a relevant point.

>based on European arming swords
Not even close. Arming swords have have a different blade profile with a more dramatic taper and a cruciform hilt with a gigantic pommel.

>>64147274
Who cares? It worked, didn't it? It's not like she's in the vampire-slaying event at the olympics for you to dock points, dummy.

>>64147107
In profile at least I think it's harder to argue that it's anything but a jian. Moving beyond the profile, the edge geometry is unusual but not particularly ahistorical aside from concessions likely made due to the sword being a prop.

>>64147235
Mall ninja dagger or they copied something they found at Spirit Halloween.
Are you expecting that to be anything real?
The guy at the mall might say it's a type of 'sword catching' dagger but real ones didn't have snake dick blades for enhanced weakness.

Ok kids, gather around. Let Uncle Oldfag tell you stories of ancient times.

You might not remember this, but back in the late 1990's and the early years of the 2000's, there were a lot of this type of "it just looks cool" bullshit going around.
There were many names for it. Mall ninjas, tacticools and the like. But they all shared same characteristics. They would take some somewhat-functional item, and just decorate it with random-ass bullshit parts. Style was emphasized over functionality. As long as it looked cool, it was ok.

Take a look at these Cyber Samurai -style blades. Could that work as a blade? I guess it could. But is it structurally or ergonomically reasonable? Nope. But it looks rad as hell, so that's what they roll with.

hell, I kinda wanted some of those. But then again, I was a teenager and foolish. I never got any of them, for even then I realized it was all bullshit. Cool, but bullshit.

So my advice to you, younglings, is that you should not look for "historical forebearer" for these devices. They are made-up fantasy toys. Sure, they may share some design elements from historical designs, but they mix and match them in any random combinations with other historical/mythical/scifi/fantasy elements that they just happen to think look cool at the moment. Usually made cheaply from shit chinesium that will break if you hit plywood with it.

Don't think about it too hard. Sometimes it's ok to admit "Yeah, it's a cartoonishly designed prop or mallninja wallhanger." It's fine. Some of them, like the Blade's sword, is specifically designed for a movie. It is only designed to look cool on the silver screen.

>>64147284
>Literally NOBODY in this thread has
given any fucking reason for calling them jians either, so I have to guess, sue me

>>64147337
>In profile at least I think it's harder to argue that it's anything but a jian
or an arming sword, or a tsurugi

>>64146220
he did tho

>>64147347
Man, in the future archeologists will have a field day trying to figure out from comic books and cross-referencing them with what rusted remains of these mallninja-blades is left, just WTF were "The early second-millenial dueling period" warriors thinking. Probably highly-advanced schools of combat with their secret techniques passed down only amongst the inner circle of adepts. ...or some shit like that.

But no. Just like in the past, it was artists who have never seen combat trying to depict something they have seen in a mallninja store, thinking it is an actual weapon of war.

And everyone will still think that five point palm exploding heart technique was a historical martial arts move.

>>64147347
>Are you expecting that to be anything real?
No, I'm just into exotic useless stuff

>>64147367
>or an arming sword, or a tsurugi
Frankly I'm not convinced that you actually believe this and aren't just stirring up shit.

>>64147409
>thinks the five point palm exploding heart technique isn't a historical martial arts move
>t. can't see mount tai

How many historical swords were gucci pimped up shit anyway? It's not like humans just magically became retarded about cool looking swords in the last century. Some little faggot noble comes to your forge and commissions a stupid sword, you take his gold and laugh when you hear he was killed by sarracens in the Holy land 7 years later.

Many such cases, surely?

>>64147367
>given any fucking reason for calling them jians either
It's been posted already. You just chose to ignore them because it challenges your worldview/agenda.

>so I have to guess
No, you don't. You don't have to at all. In fact, it's detrimental to your argument since it makes you look like you haven't grasped how the conversation has evolved which undermines whatever new points you're trying to make. For your sake, I seriously hope that you don't do this shit in social situations.

> sue me
Contacting my lawyer to set up a consultation as soon as this thread is pruned. Pray it goes no further than that.

If you want to see so cool, but batshit insane shit like ridiculously impossible kung-fu weapons, I would recommend a film called "Zu Warriors" from 2001.
https://www.imdb.com/video/vi1893925145

That movie is PEAK insane mallninja shit. It starts from the setup that "everyone is already an immortal superhuman warrior" and then starts to turn up the heat. This movie has so much wire-flying chinese actors and poor quality 2001 CGI it probably contributed to chinese steel and computer industry.

You like ridiculous kung-fu movies? Say no more, senpai. Just grab a cold one, leave your brains at the door, sit down and enjoy.

>>64147356
>They would take some somewhat-functional item, and just decorate it with random-ass bullshit parts
>you should not look for "historical forebearer" for these devices
Kind of contradictory statements. Props aren't often dreamed up from first principles, even if it was fabricated directly from a piece of concept art the concept artist looked at pictures of swords and found a blade and a hilt he liked the look of.
Maybe this one is too obscure for us to crack but other times you can tell in 2 seconds that Han's blaster is basically a c96 with a scope, you never know who recognizes that bulge until you ask.

>>64147469
It comes up often on sword youtube where they get their hands on something too stupid to be real like a pocket sized 'assassin's crosbow' and know immediately it's a toy. With other weapons they can be certain they're real because you found dozens of the same kind of weapon rusting in a battlefield dig. And in between there's definitely a big gray zone.
Even better humans haven't just now gotten retarded about collecting historical swords. People 200 years ago were making up bullshit versions of what they thought looked like something cool from 500 years ago.

>>64147469
You had parade or ceremonial weapons and then more practical weapons. If you were legit rich or nobility, your practical weapon would still be drippy like having some tasteful engravings and stuff that look nice but you won't cry if you have to replace it.

>>64142596
That one's also more of a fantasy design than anything else.

>>64147274
Her training's probably screaming at her that she should just drop that fucking thing, or perhaps outright throw it towards the nearest garbage bin.

>>64147482
Bite me

>>64147656
Shower first

>>64147669
Fair enough, be right back