Thread 64145056

Bubbas pissin' hot slug load edition
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I got a Mossberg 500 with a broken safety for $200, what should i add to it? I've got sling mounts on order, anything else? Would a Red Dot Sight be worth it/fun? Its muh HD gun and I also use it to test my handloads.

>>64145136
Red dots on shotties are good. I run an og Bushnell Holosight on mine and it's 10/10 dead nuts reliable.

>>64145180
Good clarity too? I have a pair of Bushnell bino's from the 90s in the garage somewhere, I use em for stargazing. I hope their gun sights are just as good.
Do you use the rail or one of those adapters for like the rmr base?

>>64145236
I have it on a turkish shotgun w/ a rail. The Holosight was really made by EOTech in 1998. It's badass, got an adapter to use AAA instead of N batteries. No delamination at all, so that started with their early 2000s stuff.

Picked up this 1897 made in 1924 recently. Gonna go shoot trap with it on the weekend.

Will a very cheap (200-300$) 12 ga pump work alright or do I need to spend a little more money?

>>64145378
Just get a maverick 88

>>64145369
Oh shes a beautiful gun, anon. You gonna do the whole heatshield thing or are ya gonna keep her as is?

>>64145378
I second the Maverick 88 option. $300 gets you two barrels and a gun that just works.

>>64145056 (OP)
Going duck hunting for the first time this year. I am a little out of my element on this and don't know what shotgun would work best. I like Beretta but looking for any suggestions for what shotgun I should buy. Berretta by itself has a bunch of waterfowl options. Would consider pre-owned or ponying up for a new gun.

>>64145512
If you really want a Beretta, you can't go wrong with a used A300 and like 2 rolls of camo gauze to cover it up. That whole set up would be sub $800 if you find the gun at a good price. If you want new, get the A300 Ultima Solid Marsh, it's the cheapest optic ready so you can switch to turkey hunting or other land animals if you wanted.
Budget for some choke tubes or ask your buddies what they run and buy that tube constriction for your Beretta.
>Pic Related

>>64145549
yeah I like the idea of an A300. aftr looking around buying a new one actually seems like a decent deal. $75 cash rebate and it comes with 3 chokes.

Does the camo really matter? LGS has a true timber prairie one for $100 cheaper than the other camo options

>>64145755
Nah, camo is a meme since you're either hiding under a net, in a camo blind, in vegetation that goes over your head or you're in a fucking boat lmao, and boomers have been killing ducks with steel and wood shotguns since matchlocks. I'd spring for a camo shotgun if it saves you money, but I like my guns black so I'd pay for that at least.

>>64145434
I don’t wanna chop her down so I’m gonna keep her as is. The long term goal is to find another barrel assembly or another gun to chop down.

>>64145512
if you want something thats good enough take a Franchi Affinity, it's basically a benelli on the inside.
Also consider using lead free shot, it's gay and slightly worse but you dont poison your food and local enviroment

>>64142075
>Did you ask yourself why?
Not particularly in truth, I just kind of did a quick google search and the thing I read said they were great for home invasion and that was really it. I just assumed cause it was an indoor/enclosed area that was the reason they were ‘good’. Should I perhaps look at a different type of gun instead to suit her needs?
>They should have guards at the door. Dedicated maid guards, if you like.
Without going too into the details there are other maid guards (4) but they aren’t allowed to patrol/guard the area because they’re supposed to “not exist” and be a deniable asset (political fuckery blah blah blah). The people watching the doors are basically hired to seem unassuming to onlookers and die with the expectation they set off the alarm before doing so
>something old, expensive, yet still suitable for multiple attackers, would be something like presentation model Auto-5 or Winchester 1887/1901
The auto-5 has a really nice look to it, I like how many rounded edges it seems to have. The video I saw of it in action seems like it’d be great for blasting down hallways. The Winchester seems like it’d be good too but for some reason I don’t feel as drawn to it.
>Is there only one maid?
Technically no; there are other maids in the mansion (‘combat’ maids, who are supposed to be well trained and deniable security assets, and normal maids with no combat skill whatsoever.) The other combat maids on duty are usually overseeing different areas of the mansion, and the mansion is so big that in the circumstance of an intrusion they’re largely going to be fighting solo most of the time. Normal maids are expected to bunker down and wait it out until things are all clear. The multiple shotguns thing is cool though not gonna lie, but I don’t want to push things too far into the realm of crazy.
>>64142655
Not far off what’s gonna be happening desu

>>64145964
>it's gay and slightly worse
That depends. Tungsten and the various "heavi-shot" formulations are significantly better than lead, but it's expensive. Steel shot is worse than lead, but its' cheap. In most places lead-free shot is legally required for hunting waterfowl.

>>64146286
>Should I perhaps look at a different type of gun instead to suit her needs?
If you want her to fight multiple intruders with a fancy rich-person shotgun then you have an ammo capacity problem. Shotguns with high capacity and box magazines do exist--she could fight multiple people with one of those, but it doesn't really have the rich person feel you seem to want to go for. If you can't have the other maids help her reload then I'm not really sure how it could work.
You absolutely could give her other weapons though. Are you going for an old-money aesthetic here or fancy modern?

>>64147071
Actually, I did just have a few more ideas: it's not really rich-person money, but Franchi SPAS-15 is pretty exotic, and it has detachable mags so she could reload it fast for fighting multiple intruders.
Also, this is taking place in a mansion, right? If it's a big place, with rooms much larger than a normal home, then she could be fighting at distances long enough where the shot would spread significantly, and then she could take out multiple attackers with one shot. At normal home-defense range the spread of a shotgun isn't very much, maybe fist-size or slightly bigger, but in a big mansion that's different. That does introduce another problem though, if she has to clean up afterward it's probably not a good idea to be blasting a bunch of shot pellets everywhere. I'd imagine a rich person's mansion probably has a bunch of nice stuff in it they don't want getting buckshot holes in?

Is a SPAS-12 worth the premium and issues or should i get a benelli m3 instead?

>>64147219
Do you specifically WANT a SPAS 12?

>>64147219
Only to a collector and enthusiast, for a practical user the Benelli is better in every metric.

>>64145964
My state bans lead for waterfowl hunting so I'm way ahead of you on that. I'll have to see about the Franchi depending how good of a deal I can get

>>64147071
>>64147102
>You absolutely could give her other weapons though. Are you going for an old-money aesthetic here or fancy modern?
I'd say it's more in line with an "old money" type deal; modern day but with purposefully old timey stylings and aeshtetics to emulate a more "civilised age". The maid (and all the other maids) are all in victorian-esque getup with some minor exceptions that will help with combat (holsters, boots, shooting gloves etc.). In terms of weaponry right now all the combat maids get a Mauser C96 as a concealed sidearm under their dress [spoiler]I just think the gun is cool I know it'd be shit for this kind of thing[/spoiler] which I feel definitely is pretty fancy and antique, so an exception in terms of antiquity could be made for their primary firearm.
>it's not really rich-person money, but Franchi SPAS-15 is pretty exotic, and it has detachable mags so she could reload it fast for fighting multiple intruders.
Interesting, never heard of it. It seems a little dinky and cheap but the noise it makes sounds pretty damn intimidating. I do like the shape of it though, would silouhette nicely against the frills and long dress. Could be a viable option!
>If it's a big place, with rooms much larger than a normal home, then she could be fighting at distances long enough where the shot would spread significantly, and then she could take out multiple attackers with one shot
Potentially yeah. She's going to be in a more central area of the mansion, so she'd likely be fighting in a mix of large hallways, living quarters and lobby/dining areas, so it sounds like it could be good for all those areas, right?
>That does introduce another problem though, if she has to clean up afterward it's probably not a good idea to be blasting a bunch of shot pellets everywhere
It's something she'll probably grumble and moan about but as long as it isn't too excessive I think it's acceptable levels of collateral.

>>64147480
I think guns like the C96 fit your theme well, there were fancy commercial versions and presentation models which would make sense for the rich old money aesthetic. Honestly any of the early semiauto pistols are a good choice for this since they all existed in expensive versions. Bergmann, Mauser 06/08, Borchardt, P08 Luger, etc.

I just think its neat.

FUCK YOU CALEB CRYE! WHERES MY REVOLVER SHOTGUN!

>>64148134
Seriously. I'm real curious why it suddenly disappeared. They had patents & trademarks, set up a factory, demonstrated working prototypes....then crickets. It smells like legal fuckery and NDAs.

Should I pick up a Winchester Model 12 for 350 buckaroos? Or keep holding out for a cheap 97.

>>64148452
If you really want a 97 I would wait and keep saving up. 12's are semi abundant vintage shotguns, unless the one available to you is like a mint example.

>>64148354
I have a feeling they were either infringing on some weird patent, or they just decided it wasn't worth the cost.
Seriously though, I almost, ALMOST, want them to have out sourced this thing to Turkey or at least made the lego technic gun part in USA and left the big dumb machining to the Turks. This thing was so cool and then just went away.

Such sex, now we just have big clunky plastic bullpup shotguns. I guess only Russians are allowed to have 12 Gauge revolver shotguns.

Should I chop down my Winchester Model 37 or just buy another shittier shotgun to do that to?

is the benelli m4 still considered the goat semi auto shotgun?

>>64145549
The A300 Ultima Pro was my choice

>>64149248
For a duck hunting gun?

>>64149224
Is it a nice model 37? There ain't much fun in a short barrel single shot.

>>64149272
>Is it a nice model 37?
Truthfully I have never seen an old single shot shotgun in such good condition. I thought it was some new "classic" production gun looking at it on the rack behind the counter. Which is why, despite wanting a cheap single shot just to chop down for the fun of it, I am hesitant to do so. The fun would just be in making something stupid honestly.

>>64145056 (OP)
Luv me turkey Murker 835, but I got a custom built polychoke off eBay and the guy called me and autisticlly talked to me about shotgun chokes and patterns for 30 minutes

>>64149248

I just picked up one of those bad boys. Can’t wait to take it to the range.

>>64149297
Ehhhhhh, if its really that nice I'd wait for a shitty gun to come around.

>>64149234
Its a very good scattergat but it seems like every one is jumping on the 1301 train for Gucci combat shotguns. It shoots faaaaassssstttt

>>64149272
you haven't tried to fire as many rounds as you can with an an auto-eject pawn shop shotgun.

you can fit at least several shells in the webs of your fingers, some in your mouth and a few in your bad situation

>>64145056 (OP)
>/sgg/
Gee, that's original. Can we have a /45acpg/, also? Or would that be even more boring?

>>64149355
You're probably right, it's probably worth spending the extra to not fuck up a nice gun. I've scoured the local gun/pawnshops already prior and there's a $125 FIE single shot and some other $60 piece of garbage just asking to be hacked up.

>>64149376
>niggercattle jump on the latest hype bandwagon
A tale as old as time...

>>64145136
If it's your HD gun you need a WML. A card or saddle would probably be a good idea.

>>64149322
Based 835 Chad.

>>64149915
I didn't know they made wood furniture for the Benelli M4.

>>64148920
>I have a feeling they were either infringing on some weird patent,
I kinda doubt that since they had all new patents. That means they had already hired and paid patent lawyers, all that was already done and dusted.

>or they just decided it wasn't worth the cost.
If that was the case they picked the worst possible time to do it, since they had ALREADY paid for just about everything. They set up a new company (Vantage Arms), had a factory in Tennessee, paid for all the expensive legal shit like patents and trademarks. They also had already paid for the molds to make the various fancy plastic parts that were seen on the guns they demonstrated at SHOT. If someone decided it "just wasn't worth it" you'd think they'd have done so before spending all that money on lawyers and R&D. But let's say they were stupid, they got 99% of the way to the finish line and just didn't have any more cash....normally when that happens someone else buys them out of bankruptcy and then continues to sell the product under a different brand name. That makes total sense because a 3rd party could swoop in, buy all the IP at fire sale rates, and then sell the gun. That's what happened with things like the Hudson H9 and the Boberg XR9-S. Hell entire gun companies go bankrupt and get new owners frequently, even huge names like S&W, Remington, etc. If this was simply "lol we spent too much money, now we're bankrupt and pulling the plug" there would have been no mystery about it, there would be legal record for bankruptcy, the sale of IP, and some new company would be selling the guns under their name instead.

I think legal fuckery is a good explanation, but it must be behind layers of NDAs otherwise the community would know about it.

>>64149234
It's a badass *combat* shotgun, but understand that it's a one-trick-pony. The only barrel options for it are the standard 18" and then the 14" SBS/entry model. It's not like most semi shotguns where you can also get long barrels for hunting or clay sports, rifled barrels for slugs, etc. I'm not sure what you intend to do with your semi shotgun, but if it involves anything other than defense or larping then you might want to consider others.

Somebody outside the company probably shot it and burned the fuck out of their arm. Or if it gas sealed like a nagant the trigger pull was retard heavy. I'm saying outside the company cause it's quite possible for the designers to overlook massive flaws with the mindset of ehh minor issue or eh we will fix it later.

>>64150949
>Or if it gas sealed like a nagant the trigger pull was retard heavy
They demonstrated examples to 3rd parties at SHOT show and nobody reported that. Even if they did, that kind of thing can be fixed without crapping the whole company. However, some accident that was kept on the hush-hush? That's possible.

>>64148354
This is a bot post

>>64147219
Get a Benelli M3

>>64151008
If you're implying that I sound like a robot because I've posted a similar comment before, you're correct. You can make the repetitive posting stop by providing a good explanation as to what happened.

>>64145136
>HD gun
>12 gauge
>what do I need?
Hearing protection

>>64151323
Thats true for almost every gun when shot indoors

Buying my first one sometime next year. Do I go 1301 or m4? Probably gonna be using it more for fun than for defense.

Thank you for the suggestions. >>64145512 I ended up going with a new very basic camo 12g A300. I don't think I need anything fancier at this time. With the rebate I was out the door at $700. Even though its not optic ready I'm pretty happy to get into this family of shotguns at this price.

>>64151287
Well someone did post something about it in some other thread but I don’t remember which thread it was any the only thing I could remember them saying was that one of the reasons was about the company having trouble due to being in some ban state and them not having enough money to move to a more gun friendly state or they did move but it bankrupted them

>>64149915
>see your pic related
>hmmm... I wonder if I can get wood for my A300 Ultima Patrol
>you can for just $150
Well thats fucking happening.

>>64152522
Ayyyyy hell yeah dude! Im>>64145056 (OP) and my A300 is the older Outlander. I use it for Trap shooting and its been a really solid gun. Probably have close to 2K rounds through it. I think you'll like your new Beretta!

>>64152387
Im team 1301.

>>64152529
That doesn't make logical sense. They founded a new company to make the guns, Vantage Arms, and they set up a factory in Tennessee, which is gun-friendly.

>It bankrupted them
Clearly not, as there's no bankrupcy on record. You can just look that stuff up. And if that did happen, someone else would have bought the IP at the bankrupcy auction, like the Hudson H9, Boberg, etc. Gun companies go bankrupt often, the guns don't stop being made they just get made by new owners.

>>64145378
Literally $240 like everyone else says. It's a cheaper Mossberg 500 pretty much. Great shotgun.
https://gun.deals/search/apachesolr_search/049533310149

>>64145964
I'm like 99% sure lead shot is required federally when hunting waterfowl anon.

Also what the fuck is THIS? I can't even find a listing for it lol. The magazine is connected to the mag tube and the mav 88 somehow feeds from it!

>>64152755
Well someone needs to post a link to the original thread I read it from beacuse this is all I can remember

>>64152877
>lmgtfy
$300 (or $340 for that camo one) + $50 mags
https://www.americanrifleman.org/content/product-preview-detachable-magazine-kit-for-the-mossberg-500/

>>64147219
I like both! Benellis can be just as tricky to find parts for.

>>64152626
I feel like I’m gonna hold off until I can go 1301 just bc it’s pretty much universally well regarded.

>>64152522
Sounds like a good deal. Hunting camp or Multicam?

I have 600$ and a hard on for shotguns, what pump action OR semi auto do I get. Doesn’t need a optic rail or anything because what red dot is handling 12ga

>>64153564
The fuck, gun.deals didn't even have a listing which is where I got it. Reverse image searched and all I got were sites that looked suspiciously fake as shit. Thanks, anon.

>>64153577
>what red dot is handling 12ga
>[ring ring]
>"yes?"
...It's the 1970s calling, anon, Weaver is on the line.

>>64153577
Used 870 Police or even an 11-87P. I got my Benelli SBS for $570, LE trade.

Why has no one tried remaking this masterpiece? Most of the limitations it had were because of the manufacturing tech of the time, rather than a real issue with the concept. Another thing about this set up is because of the position of the magtubes it could be redesigned around a shorter 3 capacity per tube (6 total) that would end up about the size of an AR-15 magazine without any of the reliability issues that typically come from being box fed given the replaceable mag is the same configuration as a standard tube magazine and would slot in like a P90 mag. It could also run the long tube as a fixed option that can be removed, making the platform extremely versatile. The KSG tries but its more awkward to load and it does not have the alternating load option the Neostead does.

>>64153577
522$ for this beaut

>>64153601
Every review i find for that set up said that they are are garbage, so id just buy a 590M if I were you

>>64153813
But these are also garbage though, the mags feel like they’re made of recycled shopping bags, super cheap carboned plastic.

>>64153813
That's what I figured, I just found that thing fucking strange when searching for the 2 barrel set model of the 88. IDK why someone made it (before the 590M was a thing probably) but they managed to make a TF2/Fallout-looking shotgun. I mean, throw some metal faux drum mags on that thing and wood furniture and you can't tell me it doesn't look straight out of one of those games. Can't say I've ever seen a mag-fed shotgun that attached the mag to the tube instead of the loading port so at the very least it's a proof of concept that proves it's (theoretically) possible, if silly as shit.

>>64153852
Why the hell Mossberg went with that ribby mag look I will never understand. I guess for comp shooting it might not be bad if it functions but the bottom of the mag looks like a Magpul waffle knockoff and the top like it was pulled out of some junky plastic part you'd find underneath your 1990s car on the side you're not supposed to see. Also holy fuck can we stop laser engraving massive fuckoff logos on guns please it's so goddamn ugly. It's cheap, cool, but it's ugly. That goes for you, too, Ruger, on your 10/22 bolts (albeit that's not quite as bad).

>>64153872
Both magazine attachments are solutions to problems that don’t exist, there’s no use case for either that doesn’t involve something ridiculous like zombies.

I’ve actually got a belt mounted, spring loaded shotgun shell holder, and again, you spend more time trying to shove shells in it that could’ve just went in your gun instead.

>>64153872
the ribs actually lock into the receiver and act as recoil lugs
you can see it better with the color difference.

>>64150937
do you think if he wanted to hunt or shoot clays he'd be looking into a benelli m4?

>>64152587
I'm certainly excited. I have seen nothing but enthusiasm regarding this firearm
>>64153568
hunting camo in trueboomer prairie. It matches the rest of my hunting stuff

>>64154198
No shame in your game bro. I’d do Mac which is even more cringe.

>>64145056 (OP)
What's the best forend to make an 870 or 590 look as close as possible to the m90 in halo? Also, what would be some good iridium front sights to achieve the look as well?

>>64154032
Huh, neat.

>>64153610
I almost want to buy one to see how it changes how fast I come on to a target vs a newer dot.

>>64148354
The magazine cylinder things suck.
Someone needs to rework it and make it not suck.
I think it was decided shelved for now desu. I really like the idea though.

So in RAGE 2 the shotgun has an altfire, that when you hold the secondary trigger, converts every shot into a slug. How could you do this in real life? My only idea was each shell has a wad that completely contains the shot instead of being open at the front, so the shot is kept together like a wax slug. Then at the muzzle, there's some blades that score the wad somehow and open it, firing shot, and for the altfire, you can retract the blades so it stays a slug. What do you think?

>>64156618
I can’t believe anybody played that terrible game enough to even form an opinion on anything in it. That’s what I think.

>>64156626
rage 2 is great and i have 353 hours on it

>>64156650
You should probably go outside.

>>64155361
It's pretty blue. And like north of $100. I also always tend to exaggerate the size of the dot but it isn't the smallest dot in the world FWIW. At a distance of 5 feet the dot covers a width of about 7mm, the end of a Crayola colored pencil (the entire unsharpened end including wood, not the "lead"). At 5 feet. A couple calculators (https://www.indecorous.com/bullseye/moacalc.html and https://www.nssf.org/shooting/minute-angle-moa/) put that at roughly a 15-16 MOA dot if I did my math right (lol). Very crisp due to being a fiber optic but highly sun dependent.

looking to buy my first shotgun, its main purpose being shooting clay and also possibly deer hunting. is there something that can do both reasonably well? i'd like to spend under 2k i've been told this is the absolute minimum for an O/U), but semi is also a possibility. please share your wisdom.

>>64156936
>i'd like to spend under 2k i've been told this is the absolute minimum for an O/U
By who? $2k will just about get you a Browning Citori, especially during sales, and that's a very respectable shotgun. If I was going to drop $2k on a shotgun I'd get a Benelli M4, but that's me. Depending on your state you might need to limit your round count which won't be a problem with a break action shotgun but given your budget you may want to consider a sporting shotgun for the range and a hunting shotgun that you keep plugged, you can go all out on 2 nice pump actions and probably still come in under budget.

>>64157088
>By who?
boomers at the local clay club
>Depending on your state you might need to limit your round count
MA :(
Am I right to think there isn't a good option for getting both done reasonably well with one gun? Round count is less important to me. The deer hunting season is 2 weeks long and there's usually a herd on my back porch. So it'll mostly be for clay.

>>64157206
>Am I right to think there isn't a good option for getting both done reasonably well with one gun?
I wouldn't say so, especially since it seems like you've got money to throw around and money gives you some nice options. If you want to keep it simple then go with a Citori and get a set of chokes and proper ammo.

>>64157088
>If I was going to drop $2k on a shotgun I'd get a Benelli M4

They are a useless shotgun for the average person, anything else that can take 24-28in barrels is a better buy and you’ll shoot and use it more than any M4. You can’t shoot clays with it, most places won’t allow it, and it’s only use is blasting paper and rocks and that’s about it.

>>64157746
>You can’t shoot clays with it
Maybe *you* can't.

>>64157950
No, they don’t make barrels longer than 18in so it’s not sport legal.

>>64157961
>it’s not sport legal
At your particular club or what? I was usually using a 24+" barrel so maybe I just never had to deal with officials on that but I don't recall jack shit regarding barrel length for skeet or trap.

>>64157206
>Am I right to think there isn't a good option for getting both done reasonably well with one gun?
You can hunt deer with any shotgun. A good O/U like a Citori or Beretta Silver Pigeon is ideal for clays and also better than most shotguns for general hunting applications, especially if you're hunting moving game, like birds, small game, or stalking deer at close range in woods.
Theoretically a pump or semi with a rifled barrel and an optic or rifle type sights is better for hunting deer from a blind but the diminishing returns are small.

Another choice you might consider is something like a Benelli M2. You can get any barrel for that from a 14" SBS entry model up to long target and hunting barrels, rifled barrels for slugs, etc. It's not as good a clays or bird hunting gun as the double but it's a great all-around shotgun.

Hello, Whats the most overbuilt/decent quality pump action I can get? I’d like minimum 5+1 capacity or even 7:8+1. 20-24” barrel. I heard rumors that 590a1’s have taken a turn for the worse of late. Maverick 88 still seems to be good but wondering if there’s something more solid out there. Budget preferably sub-1k but can do 1.5 in fringe cases. I just like a bead and maybe ability to add some small aftermarket like a light.

My local Walmart has the mossberg maverick 88 for $218. I wanted it so bad but I can fit into this months budget. Soon…

>>64158353
Benelli Supernova might be a good place to start looking.

>>64158353
Used wingmaster for pocket change, 18.5" barrel and a +2 extension.

>>64149322
Based and pattern pilled.

Anyone here know if the carry handle from a KS7 will fit onto a KSG?

>>64159273
Yeah

>>64158117
nta but my club has a 26" barrel minimum, they say it's a safety and "image" issue. Personally I don't give a fuck if you wanna shoot trap with a 18 inch maverick 88, but I know Clay clubs are full of stubborn old men and richfags, and they hate shit that's "unsportsmanlike".

>>64147480
If you want a higher capacity shotgun, they’ve made some pretty cool auto-5 variants. An HK512 or Benelli M1/M2 with some wood furniture would be a nice choice as well for a rich guy

>>64160522
>An HK512 or Benelli M1/M2 with some wood furniture would be a nice choice
They're great guns for sure, but they're nowhere close to the price of old-money shotguns, and certainly not the "older, more civilised age" aesthetic.

>>64145378
Usually, pump shotgun QC/QA definitely isn't what it used to be. There's nothing wrong with getting a cheap pump but definitely vet it with 500 or so rounds before trusting it. I've heard a concerning number of reports of lemons out of the box with Remington and Mossberg both

>>64154159
I have no idea. He asked if it was the best but he didn't specify for what. A lot of people have no idea that there's a difference between shotguns for combat, 3-gun, clays, hunting, etc...

>>64153568
How do you like the Mesa Tactical stock on the 870? Is the default butt pad fine, or would you say the limbsaver pad is better?

>>64161517
In never liked the OEM 870 pistol grip stocks or the Butler Creek I had, but the Mesas are super comfy, set up nice and perfect LOP. Just keep an eye on GB or eBay for a deal like I did.

>>64145378
I got a VRPA-40 for $200, no issues aside from a rough break-in. 1,200 rounds in now. Magazines are awkward but you get used to it. 10 round capacity with fast reloading makes it a good fighting shotgun. Obv test this shit before trustinf it. A lot of turk shotguns are still turds. Larger mags are available but increasingly awkward.
>inb4 it's turkshit lololol shell deformation
Depends on what's inside the shells. 00 or slugs deform far less than bird. Slugs really don't deform at all.

>>64161855
What's this about shell deformation? Are Turkish shotguns notorious for fucking up hulls?

>>64162317
Shell deformation occurs when shells are left in magazines like pic rel for a long time. It depends on the shell type and how it's constructed. People tend to overplay this to disparage magazine-fed shotguns, but it's a non-issue if you use ammo with large pellets or slugs.
The real issues are that the magazines are heavy and dead weight when you run out of shells, unless you can take the time to reload them. It's not compatible with typical shotgun "shoot, reload, shoot, reload" constant topping up whenever possible and treats the shotgun more like a rifle. Realistically if you carry six 10 round magazines in a sustainment pouch you're at 60 shells and reload much faster than someone with a tube-fed shotgun. If you're exhausted at the end of sixty shells and still have enemy combatants, that's probably time to transition to a sidearm.

>64162351
My dumb ass forgot to attach a pic. Turkish shotgun magazines range from two to thirty rounds. Anything above 19 is usually a drum.

>>64162351
The type of wad in the shell matters a lot too. That deformation is happening where the cushion part of the wad is located in the shell. Shells that have a very large amount of shot relative to their length don't have room for a cushion. Those won't compress like that over time.

>>64162484
Great point. I personally run S&B 12-pellet, 2 3/4" and there's no problem.

>>64145964
I have a framchi affinity. Served me well last season even in thr cold (-15 C).

Also titanium shot is the way to go if you can afford it.

>>64152522
Good deal.
PSA: PSA has the 7 capacity 19" version for $850 right now

Just added another SBS to the family, a grail gun that was love at first sight. New, old stock, in box, HK marked Fabarm FP6 (based largely on the 870), 14” entry model. For $990 this was a buy-it-now without blinking.

>>64162993
Mirin

>>64163172
I had to Google what mirin was, no cap, straight bussin. The only other 14” I saw for sale was used at $2300 on GB. Now that I own an HK do I have to join Reddit?

>>64162993
Absolutely sex. Good buy!

Does anyone here roll their own shotshells? Got any recipes for AA-HS hulls and titegroup/highgun?

>>64163676
Thanks based shotgun bro! I still have the SPAS-12 on my list one day.

>>64163816
Im a Californian so I'll never experience the love-hate relationship of a SPAS-12, I hope you get yours one day.

>>64164979
I’d be happy with a fixed stock, why is it banned in CA? In NJ I recall semi autos with pistol grip stocks being banned.

>>64165154
Based Surefire/Pelican/SBS enjoyer

>>64165034
It was banned by name during the state assault weapons ban. It could technically still be imported today as long as it carried a different name and the folding stock was welded open or closed.

>>64166498
>pay $600 for folding stock
>light blowtorch
Just get the other Franchise, is it the Law-11?

>>64145136
A replacement safety
Light
Sling
Red loctite on whatever you bolt on

>>64166552
>Sling
Why?
You don't have to carry the gun for a long period of time and it's just going to catch on everything if you have to move through your house.

>>64166918
Retention
Free hand(s) (open doors; fight)

>>64154198
Reject Camo, Retvrn to Tan Cotton and Leather.

>>64167201
The risk and potential consequences of getting hung up on your sling seem higher than the benefits of having one.
If you have to move and open doors you can do that with the shotgun in one hand/tucked under your armpit. It's not like you have to navigate with a map or use an entry kit/breaching tools.
Absolute worst case scenario you have to pick up and carry one of your children (which can also be done with one arm) or first aid (when the threat is most likely dead or running away shortly after you return fire)

>>64168666
>The risk and potential consequences of getting hung up on your sling
Seems like a nothingburger.

>It's not like you have to navigate with a map
It's not like I live in a hoarder house or have to snake my way through barbed wire obstacles either.

>>64168934
>he doesn't strategically place hoarding piles and barbed wire throughout his property to make navigating difficult for intruders
NGMI

>>64159128
How much should I pay for a used wingmaster?

>>64156618
>How could you do this in real life?
It's probably some bullshit computerized smart ammo thing where the shot is steel and in the middle of the shot column is a small electromagnet. The gun can tell the magnet to either be energized and keep the pellets clumped into a slug until impact, or not energized allowing the shot to spread normally. The real question is does the magnet get its power from the gun or does it have its own battery in each shot and how long can the battery be energized as it flies through the air before it loses power and the shot separates? The fact that the gun in your screenshot lights up suggest the gun has the power source.

>taking a bullshit sci-fi game this seriously btw

>>64169861
Ideally $400 but everyone seems to want $600 to $800 for nice 870's these days.

>>64168666
I guess that’s why all the agencies and jobs I worked for issued slings.

>>64168859
I’m thinking about getting the Hasan version of that for my HK FP6.

>>64156618
>How could you do this in real life?
The shell could contain an adhesive powder as buffer. When the gun wants to turn shot into a "slug" it could briefly run an induction heater around the chamber which heats the shot, melting the adhesive.

>>64170173
>I guess that’s why all the agencies and jobs I worked for issued slings.
Yeah, because jumping out of bed in your birthday suit and grabbing a shotgun is exactly the same as working for an "agency"

>>64168666
>The risk and potential consequences of getting hung up on your sling
if you're actually retarded maybe

>>64170197
>federal butthole inspector.
something something navy seal copypasta.

>>64170302
>if you're actually retarded maybe
Are you retarded?
Let me break it down for you like you are
>the benefits of having a sling on your HD shotgun for the 5 seconds you will need it if you ever fucking need it = zero
>the consequences of not having a sling on your HD shotgun = zero
>the chances of getting hung up on a doorknob with said sling = small but not zero
>the consequences of getting hung up on your sling = potentially very high
See where I'm coming from?
Most of (You) subscribe to the belief that disengaging a manual safety might be forgotten so removing the safety from the equation is the wisest move.
How does this not apply to slings on a gun that, if it is needed, will 100% be used indoors and under stress, likely after you've just woken up? Just remove the sling from the equation.

>>64170380
NTA, but hard disagree.

IMHO the chance of a sling being useful FAR exceeds the chance of it "getting caught on something".

>>64170388
In any other scenario I would agree that all long guns besides safe queen bench only rifles need a sling.
But inna "wake up and quickly fire (on average) two rounds in Tyrone's direction before he dies or decides to fuck off" scenario I don't see a use for the sling, only a potential catch point to hang you up.

>>64170380
All your worries about the sling show that you never used your gun or used it for like an hour before mind goblins told you it's an issue.
Your reasoning is almost well shoes shouldn't have laces cause you can trip on them if they get united. Meanwhile normal people wear shoes with laces and nothing happens.

>>64170419
And all your perceived benefits of having the sling are meaningless in a brief encounter with a future scientist trying to open your door at 2AM.
This is not the sand dunes. You're not being deployed. So you're not required to keep the shotgun on your person for 12 hours after Tyone has fled or shuffled off this mortal coil.
I don't have "all the worries" about the sling getting caught. Do you not understand risk assessment matrices?
>sling in HD scenario; no benefits, tiny risk of getting hung up
>no sling in HD scenario; no downside, no risk of getting hung up

>>64170380
>HD shotgun
Anyone that has a shotgun for home defense is actually retarded. Have fun blowing out your ear drums.

Impulse bought a pump action today. A Savage model 77 since it was really cheap. Only ever shot shotguns twice so I really don't know much about them. What kind of shells will I need to buy if what I'm planning to do with it is just shoot pumpkins and other stuff in the desert whenever I go plinking out there?

>>64170610
>Have fun blowing out your ear drums.
Who the fuck cares?
Imagine sacrificing the awesome stoppin powah of shotguns to save yourself from some hearing damage in the unlikely event you have to wake up and be inna gun fight.
Are you gay?

>>64170764
Cheap ammo I've seen is Fiocchi 1 and 1/8 oz, size 7.5 or 8 shot, 1200 fps target ammo, and Fiocchi 9 pellet 00 buck. The target ammo shouldn't beat your shoulder up too much. The buck shot is a harder kick but you'll learn to minimize it after watching some videos about how to mount and hold a shotgun. Both will fuck up pumpkins and and cans of tomato soup.

>>64169861
FWIW in Jan 2024 you could get these prices through various places (source threads since I can't remember shit I looked up months ago off the top of my head: >>60700544 and >>60847417). I thought many (about half I saw) were a hair high:
>REMINGTON 870 POLICE MAGNUM 12 GAUGE SHOTGUN W/ LIGHT (bead sight, 18.5"?) - $500
>REMINGTON 870 POLICE MAGNUM 12 GAUGE SHOTGUN (rifle sights, 18.5"?) - $400 (OOS)
>REMINGTON 870 EXPRESS 28IN BARREL 12 GAUGE SHOTGUN (bead sight, 28") - $300
>Castle Arms - mixed stock of Police and Wingmaster - $330
I believe the Wingmasters/Express were a little more available at that time, hovering around $300-350? King's USED to get them in for $250 (a couple months before I was looking for one) as every person I asked said they were cheap as dirt and gave me that price but good luck finding that price. Maybe go to a local gun auction (no fancy ones, just a local auctioneer with no online bidding horseshit) as guns tend to go for reasonable prices when those auctions pop up. Popular hunting season(s) being like 1-1.5 months away does not help prices, either, though.

Castlearms gets them in sometimes and from what I remember they even checked for the date range and feature list I wanted when I called. Nice place but they don't have them right now AFAIK thecastlearms.com and King's gets them in sporadically kingsfirearmsonline.com but looks like you're out of luck there too. Maybe check aimsurplus https://aimsurplus.com/categories/firearm/police-trade-ins or sportsmans https://www.sportsmansoutdoorsuperstore.com/category.cfm/sportsman/used-firearms/brand/REMINGTON/order_by/min_price if they have any at the moment. If I learned one thing from buying mine, it was this: Get the shotgun you want exactly how you want. Remington brand stocks and pumps are just $$$ right now. Ditto rear sights for rifle sighted shotguns. With Remington going through bankruptcy and purchase, the parts prices/avail. was fucking retarded when I checked.

>>64170764
Don't be afraid to shoot it but expect it to break if you do shoot it a decent amount. Those guns are crap. It's not going to explode and kill you. But some small part on the inside will snap and render itworthless. Or the single pump bar breaks. Those guns were cheap garbage and repairing anything on it is not financially viable. If you bought it for under 150 you can have 150 bucks worth of fun with it.
It's almost a disposable gun.

>>64169861
Also be aware that when they were bought by Cerberus/Freedom Group, their quality went to shit and they had a tendency to rust quick and bad. So I'd only buy anything before 2007 or so; D prefix is maybe a gamble. Not sure when 3" and 3 1/2" chambers were added but mine I think has an A or B prefix (an 18.5" rifle sighted barrel Police) which has a 3" chamber FWIW. If you want a rail or dot, also know it also does not have a drilled&tapped receiver which means you need one of those slip-over rails that replace the pins in the receiver with screws to mount a rail. You'd, at minimum, be looking for a C or D prefix if you wanted a factory tapped model (and IIRC not every model was tapped, further complicating things). Not a big deal and I'm sure getting it drilled and tapped isn't huge if you want it done. I remember looking into which were and were not factory tapped and finding a whole lot of nothing. Hell Remington supposedly said their receivers were too thin for this like 1-3 years before offering it as a factory option IIRC lol. As for how to date an 870, here's a quick guide:
>1950 - 1967: No Prefix
>1968 - 1973: "S" Prefix
>1974 - 1977: "T" Prefix
>1978 - 1983: "V" Prefix
>1984 - 1989: "W" Prefix
>1990 - 1990: "X" Prefix
>1991 - 1993: "A" Prefix
>1994 - 1996: "B" Prefix
>1997 - 2000: "C" Prefix
>2001 - ????: "D" Prefix
https://www.remingtonsociety.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=27371
Sorry for the wall of text lol.

>>64170197
Well if I had to confront an intruder buck naked, that’s a pretty good sales pitch for a sling. If not for your lack of training or experience in a real world high stress encounter, you wouldn’t know how to not argue against yourself.

>>64170307
I was on a Tier 1 .gov team, albeit during peak GWOT overseas, so where did you do your CQD training?

>>64170388
>>64170419
There’s a 0% chance these operators are over 16.

>>64170610
>police officer confronts burglar or robber
>can’t take the shot bc no ear pro.
You spend one minute on google and learn shotguns are the same or slightly lower db than a supersonic pistol or rifle. Lower charges (i.e. tactical/low recoil ammo) does reduce sound.

>>64171020
This guy fucks.

>>64170610
>He doesnt have his peltors on his nightstand ready to go

>>64170610
Lower pressure than rifles retard

>>64171901
>RED ALERT
>[clicks volume knob on]

>>64170380
His monumental ego sickens me.

>>64171621
>>64171672
Thanks for that, that's kind of what I found so far too. I want to get one bc I want to get into hunting. I found a couple wingmasters under $500 on gunbroker, we'll see how it goes.

>>64160624
Go crazy.

>>64173462
That goes back to what I told anon in the previous thread. Fancypants double guns are a perfect fit for the old-money aesthetic. However, they're pretty bad for fighting multiple intruders.

That said, that's me being realistic. Combat maids toting shotguns to defend from multiple armed attackers is pretty silly from the get-go, so there's no reason she couldn't just reload, and it's not that much of a stretch, it is pretty damn fast to reload an ejector double.

>>64171683
>Well if I had to confront an intruder buck naked, that’s a pretty good sales pitch for a sling.
Why? So you can floss your gay asshole with it?
>If not for your lack of training or experience in a real world high stress encounter, you wouldn’t know how to not argue against yourself.
Slings are a good idea to keep armed retard goons tethered to their guns. For that reason alone the benefits far outweigh the small chance of fumbling, which will hopefully be drilled out of you through training.
But you don't need to be tethered to your gun for a brief encounter with joggers. So why not ditch the sling for higher speed and less drag?
>This guy fucks
Same guy btw

>>64171683
>this whole mess of a reply.
shine on you crazy retard.

>>64173057
This is probably a sin to say in this general but I'm really more of a rifle guy so while I can say it's a decent shotgun I can't say I ever got anything with it lol; I've actually thought of going to 20ga for certain needs (pheasants are almost easier than squirrels here at the right place and time of year, just need an extra license). I've had it about a year and I'm just at the point where I found a (singular) wood stock (I wasn't paying $40 for the one at a local shop some guy very poorly "decorated") and no wood pump. So I'm half and half for the furniture being converted to wood. I'll probably miss the nice soft recoil pad from the plastic stock, though. Not really sure where I'm going to end up with it once I'm done. Probably wood, maybe a dot (highly depends), definitely a new barrel (interchangeable chokes + maybe silence one day far off).

PS: The plastic and wood stock bolts are two different lengths. Because Remington. Luckily I had some aftermarket plastic stocks around I had picked up for cheap so I could use the bolt out of one of those which happened to be just right. And don't get the Mossberg/Remington dual compatible aftermarket stock with the little puck adapter. I think you gotta be Hickok for that LOP to be comfortable.

>>64174932
You can get a Limbsaver for wood 870 stocks, I have one on mine and the added weight of the wood makes it really nice compared to the plastic.

>>64174962
I'll probably just pull a slip-on out of my stash of old gun junk. Or [kdonthavespoilerz] I'll just make a silicone copy of some shit I carve or make from clay [/againspoilersdon'tworklol]. Or I'll just see how it shoots; probably fine as is.

Decided I want a 1301 for my first shotgun. Any particular reason why comps are cheaper than tacticals? The latter goes for around $1300-1500 while I found a couple comps (non pro, 21") for right at a grand around here. As far as I can tell, from Beretta themselves, the only differences are the barrels and a slightly longer receiver on the comp.
It'd purely be a range toy, I have no intention of doing competition nor would it be the first thing I grab for home defense, am I good to go with the comp in that case? Is the price difference really just a matter of paying the tacticool tax?

>>64174932
A lot of people rag on 20ga because muh 12ga is bigger so it must be better, but smaller gauges are easier to carry if you're innawoods stalking or out hunting upland game, and they point better. I wouldn't hunt geese with a 20ga but they're more than adequate for a lot of game.

> I'll probably miss the nice soft recoil pad from the plastic stock
You have far better recoil pad options for a wood stock than you do for a plastic one. There's tons of different recoil pads on the market and they are easily fitted.

>>64176567

20 gauges with all the new ammo loads are letting you do almost everything a 12 gauge did just a few decades ago. I've come to prefer them - especially with a bad shoulder - up through pheasant hunting.

I do have a few 28s for quail. What a sweet shooting and ballistically great little shell.

Somebody mentioned a Franchi Affinity. Great gun, basically a discount Benelli (same owner group). I bought one for my oldest kid and man the thing just works for waterfowling and crawling through rough stuff.

I'd look into a Weatherby Element as well. Picked up one of those for a younger kid. Turkish made, but solid inertia design (I prefer inertia over gas guns for simplicity and cleaning) and good dip coating. Another reasonably priced gun that just runs and runs, even when wet/muddy (we get out of the duck blinds on our property at times).

>>64177730
>(I prefer inertia over gas guns for simplicity and cleaning
Same. I used a Benelli Cordoba for clays for years before I upgraded. I'd usually shoot a case (250) shells every weekend, mostly cheapo Federal and Rio, and the only cleaning I ever did was hit the bolt head with a little CLP and wipe it down with a rag every couple months. It's nice and simple, very few moving parts, hardly anything to go wrong, nothing that can get clogged up with fouling.

>28ga
I love 28ga, assuming the gun is actually properly built for it. Some 28's are built on 20ga frames, and those are overly clunky. They are remarkably capable.

>>64177814
>I used a Benelli Cordoba for clays for years before I upgraded.

Funny. When I was down hunting in Cordoba, they furnished Benelli Montefeltros for us as guests, and they said they were 30-40K+ rounds before a deep clean/rebuild. Just a wipe and go every day.

28 ga is a sleeper cartridge- just about a perfect shot column in an easy shooter. 100% agree about having to be built on the appropriate frame.

Benelli is one of the few that seem to have cracked the code of tailoring their existing guns to that shell. I have a Benelli Ultralight that I've slung as I crawled on my hands and knees through brush and up steep hillsides to get to a good woodcock spot. 4.5lbs helps a lot.

>>64176567
>>64177730
I keep hearing praise about 20 gauge and TSS being the next good turkey combo, any truth to that? They say the olny thing better would be depleted uranium shot.

Dumb question, but would a Mossberg 590 barrel (specifically the 20") fit on a Maverick 88 with a 7+1 mag tube?

>>64180077
No,
However you could swap the magtube and barrely and have it fit but that's not cost effective.

>>64151323
No, you want to be momentarily deaf so you can say you didn't hear them trying to surrender

>>64149376
That's because most gun people are essentially trend chasing teenage girls spiritually, they want the hot new thing until their influencer tells them what to buy next.

>>64180168
I kinda figured that would be the case. Thanks fren.

>>64179800
I don't hunt turkeys so I can't comment on that specifically, but generally speaking tungsten shot is fantastic, it's denser than lead which means it shoots farther with the same shot size. Or, you can switch to a slightly smaller size which gives you the same range as lead but a denser pattern. The only downside to tungsten shot is the price and the fact you can't use it in antique guns. Steel shot sucks but tungsten is an upgrade.

>>64179800

The stuff works like nobody's business. Really tight patterns, really far out (as in 50+ yards).

It's also $12-15 for EACH CARTRIDGE. I guess that's fine if you take one gobbler a year or have long/clear fields of fire. It's not like you're dumping boxes of ammo once you pattern your gun. .

>>64181890
>shoots farther
how does that work? denser = need more energy to move same distance

>>64183353
>how does that work?
The denser the shot is the better sectional density it has. This is huge, because it addresses the biggest weakness of round shot, which is its abysmal aerodynamics.

>denser = need more energy to move same distance
Shotshells are loaded by mass. 1oz of tungsten takes just as much energy to accellerate as 1oz of lead or 1oz of steel.

>>64183480
Huh, cool
>looks up TSS shot 6
>$56 a pound
Fuck

Heyyy /k/, I found a wicked weird shotgun shell at the trap range today. Any info? Its a tiny round and I cant find any headstamp?? I put it next to a federal 12 gauge slug for scale.

>>64184861

Some sort of "garden gun" cartridge for small pest control?

It's smaller than a .410 bore. More like a 9mm or .22, but I've only used shotshells (or a regular cartridge with just a plastic cap holding pellets) of those filled with snake shot.

Maybe a one-off for fun.

>>64186506
>>64184861
I don't know what those are formally called but I think they are amateur made. It's just a #209 primer (ordinary shotgun primer) stuck in the end of a plastic tube. I remember reading about them before years ago but I lost the link.

>>64186506
>>64186545
Huh, well I should figured it was something weird, I thought someone just stuck a primer in a straw but the "straw" part seemed a little to thick to be a straw. I guess someone was testing out some diy micro gauge.

>>64187519
Can you post a pic of the mouth end of the mystery shell? I'm curious how they are crimped or otherwise closed.
Anyway, I really wish I knew what these were called so I could look them up, but it was several years ago I stumbled across them and Google's search sucks these days. I do remember it was somewhere in Europe that this was being done, I want to say Spain but that could be wrong. They absolutely are a known thing, I drew picrel in MS paint a couple weeks ago trying to explain it to someone on this board because I couldn't find any pics.

>>64187733
I was wrong, Turkish not Spanish. I found a little info on them:
https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2018/09/25/6mm-pipet-turkish-shotshell/

https://forum.cartridgecollectors.org/t/new-turkish-6-mm-center-fire-shotshell/29979

>>64187798
looks pretty janky to be honest. Like hastily loaded shell in a random plastic tube that happened to fit a 209 primer

A300 Ultima Patrol or 940 JM pro? for 2-gun competition use.

>>64188207
Yeah, like I said, all the ones I've seen appeared to be amateur made. I wonder if they are a shitty improvised version of 6mm Falco Centrale or if they are some other thing.

>>64188222
940 JM pro i think is a little more suitable for 2 gun

>>64187798
>turkish
Silly as shit but imagine getting $100 Turkish break action 6mm pipet shotguns, especially if the receiver and barrel were sized to the cartridge. Smaller than the 9mm rimfire garden guns. Almost half the (bore) size of .410. Could be tiny and silly. I don't even know why but I kinda want one.

Should I sell my 940 pro tactical? I think I would prefer a hunting shotgun, even the 940 pro turkey would do. If I'm going the tactical semiauto route, I think I would choose an A300 ultima patrol. Held one at my lgs and it just felt right

>>64190792
Wait do you want to sell your 940 pro for a hunting shotgun or an A300 UP? The good thing about a hunting shotgun is that you can do a lot more than larp, you can shoot clays too. I suggest the regular A300 ultima so you can get used to the ultima operating system. Plus your chokes will also interchange and save you money. I love my A300 Outlander so im a bit biased. Its my solid Skeet and Trap gun.
>pic related is my older generation A300 Outlander at the trap range

Anybody know ANYTHING about these? I just saw them on the Labor Day sale and I can only find one video talking about them. They apparently came out in 2024.

>>64193467
It's a JTS brand semi-auto / pump hybrid shotgun chambered in 12ga(y), with a five round capacity and a 19.7" barrel.
Hope that helps.

>>64193475
thanks boss

>>64193467
Inertia/Pump switch makes me think Benelli clone, the price makes me think Chinese made. It's so fucking cheap though, I'd buy it and fucking send it dude. If it breaks fuck it, if it works you can make a chink spas 12 clone with air soft parts.

>>64190792
Why not just get a longer barrel?

>>64193467
>>64193523
NTA(s) but I was going to call BS on it being Chinese. Thought it was Turkish (considering most cheap shotguns are with very few Chinese options thrown in) but between a GunDeals post, this pic (can barely make out "China" laser engraved on barrel), and a used listing for this shotgun at $399 (LOL) listing it as "CHONGQING JIANSHE M12PT-2", it does actually seem to be Chinese. Neat.

Anybody know euro shops selling chokes for 11-87? Looking for a full and improved cylinder, ideally steel-safe.

>>64195826
China shotguns, like Turkshit shotguns, are a mixed bag of "ya get what ya pay for". I bought the Cimarron 1887 clone made by some ching chong company and its an actual decent almost 1:1 clone of a 1.5 gen Winchester 1887. The Chinknelli clone being like 12 dollars might mean its shit, but also it being so cheap it might make it a nice deal if lasts a least 250 rounds. Id buy it just to have an inertia shotgun to molest and spend $2000 on a Benelli.

NTA>>64193467
>>64195826
But i just bought it, im a [[[Californian]]] so it'll be like a combined 15 to 20 days till I get it, but I'll do a breakdown here once I recieve it.

Are Fabarm shotguns any good? Will it explode like a turkish shotgun is I fired slugs from it?

Pic related, the SAT 8

>inb4 get an M4
out of budget

>>64198296
Fabarm are quality shotguns manufatto in the same mountain valley city of Brescia where Beretta is located. They have been usato by the French GIGN and such as in this picture>>64164979.
They should serve you well.

>>64198418
So I can only LARP as GIGN? Good enough.

My only concern are after market spare parts and accessories

>>64198541
>after market spare parts and accessories
Better brush up on ur Italian and French, fratello.

>>64198296
>>64198418
Good enough for HK to import, plenty of foreign services use them. Mine arrives Weds.

>>64198641
Again, as in the previous post above, I would like to express to you that I am highly jelly.
Why'd it take so long to come to you tho?

>>64192864
I want to sell my 940 pro tactical for a hunting shotgun, maybe a 940 pro turkey.
And then at some point get the A300 UP. I just think the A300 fits the tactical role better. This way I would have one gun dedicated to hunting & another for HD.

>>64193858
I'm not so much worried about barrel length as much as I am capacity & weight

>>64198879
Sounds like you have a solid plan, Both are great guns.

How bad is shooting steel shot out of an old Remington (late 60s)? I know they say it's ok after 1963, but do you guys have any experience with it?

>>64200197
It literally doesn’t matter and if you feel that it does, just buy a new barrel.

>>64198667
Thanks desu. Bought is last week, took about a week for the form 3 to clear and get shipped, comes to my FFL on Weds and then I can do the Eform 4 which hopefully will be fast, I have the prints already. Last one took 5 days. I’m thinking about removing the sight post on the flip sight and drilling and tapping it for picrel.

>>64199770
sex

>>64198418
I just hope that it's an all Italian shotgun, not some Turkish shotgun assembly in Italy, like the Tanfoglio 1911
>>64198641
That was 30 years ago

>>64201854
Didn’t say it was the meta, just a high quality 870 with refinements. If you know how to run a shotgun, it shouldn’t make a difference.

>>64202432
Ithaca my beloved

Courtesy of /co/

>>64198296
>dat stock
lol I just got one of those for my Mossberg. Gonna larp as Shane looking for walkers in tha woooooooods.

>>64203368
I didn't need to see that today. Or ever.

>>64202533
Based dept. calling

>>64201567
>and I'm still hunting for orange mossberg furniture
At least i found what I think are the Mossberg parts numbers.
Still can't turn a set up though.
>Thanks for coming to my TED talk.

>>64204352
They haven't popped up on ebay? I usually see a few a month.

>>64204352
NTA but check Numrich, Sarco, maybe Apex, and EveryGunPart. My 870 came with orange furniture. When I got it...turned out to be hastily (albeit evenly) spraypainted lol. I seem to have some memory of Choate previously making orange stocks for Remingtons and maybe Mossbergs, too.

Bros I just won a bid on a mossberg 930 with a 10 round tube and 18 inch barrel. Very excited, what can I expect?

>>64207154
>what can I expect?
A Mossberg 930

>>64207173
Hell yeah brother

>>64207154
The magtube to extend a foot past the barrel

>>64207203
Might be a 7 round tube because it lines up perfectly with the barrel. I think the guy I bought it from doesn’t know much about it but i got it for like $600 so I can’t complain.

>>64207234
If it's flush with an 18 inch barrel it's 6 or 7. Maybe he meant 10 with mini shells or some shit.

Well tomorrow I will earn my right to post itt, I will be getting my first shotgun....mostly for defense but also for killing wild boars.

>>64207246
Probably that. Dumb boomer.

>>64159037
The Nova has a polymer covered receiver. See xray pic. Semi Benellis and Mossbergs use aluminum receivers, which is why the 870 is still GOAT. My gunsmith broke his drill press trying to tap the receiver (that’s what she said). Can’t beat a used 870 Police.

Thought on the Winchester SXP series? I am intrigued by the rotary locking super fast pump action, since something similar is what makes the Beretta 1301 shoot fast.

>>64208364
Magazine tube throat is apparently made of plastic and is an extremely common part to break and brick the gun

>>64206616
>>64206624
I'm specifically looking for the factory orange mossberg stuff. It's molded orange, not painted. Not interested in any other orange furniture, as I'm looking to mimic the line launcher mossberg used to make.
>And no, even though they show this on their website, they no longer produce it. I asked

>>64208785
Just saw a 7 minute video on how to replace it, doesn't seem to bad, I think I'll go ahead with an extreme defender I saw at my LGS

>>64209241
>>64209249
>Behold, the single Winchester salesman

>>64208364
The speed of an action is a meme, since the limiting factor is not the gun, but how fast you can get back on target. And in the case of a pump gun, the rotary bolt doesn't mean a damn thing, your arm is the limiting factor. The SXP won't make you shoot any faster, practice will.

AHHHH FUCK YOU PSA
WHY YOU MAKE DEAL WHEN I AM BROKE

>>64210813
actually if you look closely you can tell it's not an m4 so there's not actually any reason to buy it
hope this helps

>>64211268
Get whith the times old man, you're 15 years behind. The Beretta is is lighter, faster, and is ready out the box with out having to spend an extra thousand dollars in accessories.>>64211268

Are the streamlight pumps dogshit? I've heard mixed things about them particularly the button to activate the light.

>>64212788
I tried out a display one at my lgs, I think its cool but yeah, if your really pumping, your grip is gonna activate the light. I dont think thier badly made though, quite the opposite. They're just sensitive.

>>64211545
Potentially dumb question, how do the Beretta semi-auto shotguns stack up to the Benellis?

>>64208364
I know most Winchester stuff is like this anymore but aren't like all the pump/semi Winchesters made in Turkey? I could be wrong but I do remember some of their shotguns are at least IIRC.

>>64211545
NTA but the M4 is sexier, so...
t. carries a 92

>>64212854
Im a bit of a Beretta ball gobbler but ill try to be fair.
Both Beretta and Benelli semi auto shotguns have all been like 99% reliable everytime ive shot them. Benelli M1-M3 are the inertia guns and have a higher felt recoil (to me) than the M4 and 1301. Also if you suck at properly mounting the gun or you're in an awkard position where the guns are not against you solidly, they'll fail to eject. M4 is a bit heavier than the 1301 but I will give a point to the M4 for "Feeling" a little more robust. 1301 is cheaper.
Imma be honest, in my opinion you cant go wrong with either brand if all you're gonna do is larp or shoot paper. If you wanna stretch your dollars get a Beretta, they have more colors too. I also think it looks better, but the i will say the M4 is more "Iconic" and has the GWOT-core thing going for it.

>>64215859
>>64215880
what a strange coincidence, I stumbled across picrel maybe two minutes ago.

>>64204352
>>64206616
Try Gunbroker

>>64216100
The Sjorgen Super Sjorgen

>>64216100
Make the pistol grip wood and that shit would not look out of place in a TF2 update.

>>64216100
Chat, would a shorty Sjorgen actually work? It just needs recoil right?

>>64208151
Steel receivers are absolute memes. The Benelli M4 has an aluminum receiver and everyone glazes if for being so durable. ARs have aluminum receivers. You will never wear out an aluminum shotgun receiver.

>>64208151
>My gunsmith broke his drill press trying to tap the receiver
Lol, that's not praise for a steel receiver, that's proof your gunsmith is a fucking moron. Run far away from that "gunsmith", as he's either an liar or incompetent, and I suspect both.

There are a dozen more practical things I could do with this money. But fuck me, the temptation is bad.

>>64221191
dude, if you want a H&H get a real one. The "cavalier" is a Webley model 700 that's been finished up extra nice. They are solid guns, but they fit in a weird space. They cost more than they ought to because of the H&H name, yet at the same time they're nowhere near as nice as a Best grade sidelock, which is what H&H is famous for.

I would not buy it. Save your money for a deal on a sidelock. Buying this gun would be like a gearhead who drools over vintage Jaguar E-types settling for a 2005 X-type.

I put a dowel in my tactical shotgun to limit the capacity for hunting purposes. I might have bent the magazine tube spring. Haven't fired it yet but it's loading and ejecting rounds just fine.

How fucked am I bros?

>>64207252
Nice. What model is your shotgun? Also what state? Trying to get into pig and yote hunting in SoCal myself

>>64223583
You’re fine, also all the pigs are up North in California according to a friend, I just think that’s where they cause the problems at so there’s more AG types wanting them destroyed.

>>64207252
Pls post ur shotty when ya get it!

>>64223681
>also all the pigs are up North in California according to a friend
Dang. I'm originally from NorCal but found myself down south for work. Makes sense though

>>64167965
Tweed all the way you fucking plebian

>>64224644
Gunting had so much SOVL back in the day

what is the best barrel to magazine capacity length for some piece of shit mossberg
20 or 12 I don't care, I just want something that is maneuverable inside of an automobile that won't be bumping into shit

>>64226383
based

>>64226383
Indeed.
https://vault.si.com/vault/1972/05/22/the-game-hog-of-dallowgill

>>64223583
>How fucked am I bros?
Not very, new mag springs are cheap, just replace it if in doubt.

>>64226611
Also good for exceptionally dimensioned rodents.

>>64226513
You already own one and are looking to buy a new barrel/tube, or are trying to find the right model to purchase?
By cheap do you mean a security 500 or an 88?

>>64226513
20 inch gets you 7 in the tube.
18.5 gets you 5.
I'd recommend a Choate sidefolder and a dot if you're vehicle focused.