Thread 64145488

17:30—17:40
>"... We haven't won any wars since 1945, unless you count the Gulf War [1991], so... I don't think we're doing anything right. Including ['night raids'] assassinations."

18:10—20:04
>"I think a lot of people—including people who are anti-war, and would prefer to see a more isolationist foreign policy—complacently assume that because we spend ungodly amounts of money on our military, a trillion dollars this year on the national defense budget, that whatever else you think of our foreign policy, at least we have the world's most powerful military."
>"That assumption goes largely unexamined. And the reality is, we don't."
>"I was just at Trump's military parade in Washington D.C., a magazine sent me to cover that. And a lot of those troops were from Fort Bragg. You may have seen on TV what a joke the parade turned out to be. How disorganized, how unimpressive it was. And the technology that was on display: people expected it to be this 'fascistic' spectacle, this authoritarian spectacle like you might see in North Korea, or whatever. But I was looking at the troops going by, not even marching in step, the Bradley fighting vehicles which are 40 years old and performed very poorly, haven't been replaced with anything new; same goes for the Abrams tank that's been in service for more than 40 years. The Black Hawk helicopter—just before the parade a [UH-60] had crashed into a passenger plane over the Potomac River, killed 68 people; worst aviation disaster since 2001."
>"I'm looking at all of this and thinking, 'man our Army is in sorry, sorry shape.' And that was the 250th anniversary of the U.S. Army, because the Army actually predates the Constitution and predates the creation of our nation. To me it is very worrisome to see the state of decline and disrepair in which it is currently languishing. And I think the stuff that's going on at Fort Bragg is highly symptomatic of just that."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t9n3pXFEVMg

>>64145488 (OP)
Based post. Keep it up. /k/ is a board for Russian Indian, European, Chinese and Iranian posters. Mutts get the fuck out

>>64145488 (OP)
This is correct. The Bradley and Abrams are old as fuck and are falling apart, we have too many political generals and standards and discipline is in the shitter. The Army can't be trusted to tie their own boots correctly never mind win a war.

Thank fucking God we have Marines.

>>64145488 (OP)
>>64145499

>>64145488 (OP)
The US Army is quite literally the only armed force in the world that could take on every other army in the world, combined, and actually have a decent shot at winning.

What is it at this point, a three day melty from this zigger?

>>64145515
I think you're massively overestimating the capabilities of the US army. While there's no doubt they represent the single most powerful ground force in the world, if not by metric of numbers at least by tech and logistics, they will never be able to win the other 182 nations of the world's militaries by themselves. Europe alone outclasses the US in numbers on pretty much all classes of personnel and vehicles except for aircraft carriers, and they're all undergoing a massive rearmament

>>64145488 (OP)
>unless you count the Gulf War
What about Panama or Grenada? Or Yugoslavia? Why is Iraq 2.0 a failure, exactly?
Also what about ISIS? Or LIbya?

>>64145538
Wasn't Libya mostly France and Italy?
I mean, correct me if I'm wrong.

>>64145542
Considering the amount of support and spookfuckery going on? No.

>>64145542
Libya was about france and UK, italy vehemently opposed the conflict because killing gaddafi meant absolutely no control on the migratory fluxes coming to europe. Also italy had several deals with gaddafi regarding oil shipment made by berlusconi, and this was a way to essentially jeopardize italy's trade routes on france's account. Competition is steep between these two nations when it comes to controlling the med

Any reason why the turd world is incandescently seething today? The catalog seems rife with all manner of brown person cope and seethe.

>>64145561
Russia's economy is about to collapse, India has been threatened with sanctions if it keeps buying Russian oil, and Trump is forcing a peace deal.
But Russia stronk.

>>64145488 (OP)
>We haven't won any wars if you don't count the wars that we won

>>64145488 (OP)
So why do schizos like these 'whistleblower' types? Individual retards who go on random podcasts to share misleading fallacy of composition bullshit.
They do the same thing with just about everything, they always connect specific characters to institutions or efforts that involve millions of people. Al Gore with the environment, Eisenhower with the MIC, etc.

>>64145538
Ok, 1 big war and a handful of wars against tiny nations with a 1/10000000th of your power

>>64145588
>1/10000000th your power
Glad we agree this thread is global south chimpanzee noise

>>64145488 (OP)
Maybe I'm a retard, but what about Iraq 2?

>>64145488 (OP)
Whats actually funny is that despite the stagnation in the US military it still the best in the world, theres a lot of internal US propaganda to try and hype up China as a serious threat to stimulate military buildup, but its pretty clear that China aint shit, so the US military will probably continue to decline into the future, unless they pick a fight with France or something, idk.

What big brain geopolitical nerds don't get is that just because a country can make muh gdp go up doesn't mean they are competent in war, skill in warfare is a subtle cultural thing, and the only modern nations that really have it are Europeans (and European diaspora obvs), the Japanse and the Turks. Koreans and Israelis are also militarily competent despite not being that culturally warlike because recent and ongoing conflicts force them to stay sharp

if the US military is decrepit and falling apart, just how bad are the others?

>>64145488 (OP)

I blame UCP

GWOT and its consequences have been a disaster for the US armed forces. Not on any technical level since the US is capable as ever it was but a kind of vietnam style brainrot where they have internalized nationbuilding failures way about their pay grade.

Also if you ever think spec ops at Fort Bragg can't lose their minds to brainrot look up the First Earth Battalion and Jedi stuff from the 70s and 80s.

>>64145488 (OP)
Everything woke turns to shit.

Why is it that only when Israel is having manpower issues and needs an army to backstop their own or act as a proxy to schwack Iran are we allowed to question our military policies and readiness?
Mainstream media didn't care about the collapse of the military for nearly a decade but NOW the MSM can talk about it?
What next, recruiting commercials full of racist white men being motivated by nationalism and fascism?

>>64145515
kek you stupid mutt, your jew shithole would collapse exactly 5 minutes after you announce a draft.

>>64145538
> Grenada
> Serbia.

Bro, you do realize that the average military career length is 6-8 ish years? No one stays for 20 years anymore.

Wars that happened 30 plus years ago have had 5 or six generations of service members go through them.

>>64145636
2 more weeks zigger

>>64145488 (OP)
Why is anyone taking this hack seriously?
>He also introduced her to his dog, a tautly poised, hyperalert Belgian Malinois named Rocky that had been one of the unit’s working animals. Nicole wanted to know why it had no teeth. Lavigne told her that its titanium dentures had been surgically removed upon retirement because the dog had been trained to attack and had grown accustomed to feeding on the flesh of people killed in special operations raids, including being allowed, “as a treat,” to eat human brains.
>DUDE THEIR LITERALLY FEEDING THE DOGS BRAINS

>>64145488 (OP)
>We haven't won any wars
>unless

>>64145619
>GWOT and its consequences have been a disaster for the US armed forces. Not on any technical level since the US is capable as ever it was but a kind of vietnam style brainrot where they have internalized nationbuilding failures way about their pay grade.

I'd argue that it's worse than Vietnam. GWOT isn't just an embarrassing defeat, but a fundamental erosion and corruption of American society on the spiritual level. And you can see how this degeneration of morals basically on full display right now.

>incredibly brazen corruption
>complete lack of punishment for failure (ex. Generals Austin and Milley were both permitted to keep their posts after the disastrous withdrawal from Afghanistan when even 6 years earlier, Chuck Hagel was sacked by Obama for his failure to handle the Islamic State)
>increasingly casual acceptance of killing civilians without even the feigning of concern (the Signalgate chats really say it all)
>the growing politicization of the military to the point where the Secretary of Defense is an washed-up news pundit who was fired from Fox News due to his alcoholism, and generals are being dismissed for at-worst mild slights (such as not hanging the president's portrait on the wall)
>general culture of sloth, as exemplified by that absolute fucking joke of a parade Trump held (even if you vehemently disagree with the decision to hold it like I did, one should expect that the participants should make the most of it and at least put on a good show for the crowds)

>>64145538
>Why is Iraq 2.0 a failure, exactly?

>thousands of Americans dead
>trillions of dollars flushed down the toilet
>Iraqi state basically delivered into the arms of Iran upon American withdrawal
>US troops had to go BACK just three years later because ISIS overran half the country in like a month

Spanish Ulcer of the 21st Century honestly.

>>64145662

well that's more about the US no longer believing in its own immense power and the erosion of democratic principles. If the electorate no longer take an active part in government and the government no longer accountable then you will get such things.

I've always thought the US was so unassailable it could only fall by destroying itself from within. I just didn't expect a realistic possibility of it happening in my own lifetime. Like Rudyard Kipling's epitaph for the British Empire

>Far-called, our navies melt away;
>On dune and headland sinks the fire:
>Lo, all our pomp of yesterday
>Is one with Nineveh and Tyre!
>Judge of the Nations, spare us yet,
>Lest we forget—lest we forget!

It cant be the trains alone causing this much thirdie rage. Is there something else currently ablaze in ruganda that we're yet to hear about?

>>64145488 (OP)
Its not but with Agent Trump appointing Hegseth there won't be a US military by 2029 or any military alliances

>>64145588
>1/10000000th of your power
There we have it, the US military is shit because it can't fight the US military

>>64145580
Because they offer easy, simple explanations to extremely complex topics, while also knowing how to combo unrelated grains of truth and talking points into a grand conspiracy that "the elites don't want you to know". Aim it towards some moral or efficiency thing and you can just use that to sell it
>But I was looking at the troops going by, not even marching in step
That certainly overrides anything like the 200:1 K:D ratio the US put up in 2003 I suppose
>the Bradley fighting vehicles which are 40 years old and performed very poorly
I can only assume this asshole only knows the Bradley from Pentagon Wars
>haven't been replaced with anything new; same goes for the Abrams tank that's been in service for more than 40 years
The fuck does he want, a laser cannon?
>The Black Hawk helicopter—just before the parade a [UH-60] had crashed into a passenger plane over the Potomac River, killed 68 people; worst aviation disaster since 2001."
As an aviation guy this part pisses me off perhaps the most, the Potomac crash had absolutely nothing to do with the Black Hawk as a platform, it was the inevitable outcome of decades of trying to cram more air traffic into a very narrow space. If you try and make a new helicopter that does what the UH-60 does, you're going to basically just end up with a UH-60 because there's very little room for helicopters to grow from a physics standpoint.