Thread 64146344

How do american police ranks translate to the military, this guy seems like a 4 star general so could he outrank a military captain if they shared jurisdiction in a crisis or something?

>>64146344 (OP)
>How do american police ranks translate to the military
They don't.
>if they shared jurisdiction
They can't. The Posse Comitatus Act prevents that.

No, I think it’s just to denote that he is the chief law enforcement officer for that jurisdiction as sheriff. Law enforcement ranks are arbitrary though, but where I live the sheriff has four stars and the chief of police has three.

>>64146344 (OP)
Those stars mean he is THE Sheriff. Basically the chief of the department. Police rank and military rank do not translate. It depends entirely on the situation. If it is a law enforcement operation and the military is assisting, then the military personnel will follow the direction of the police. If martial law is declared and the military takes over, the police have no authority.

I was a deputy sheriff and during one of the hurricanes the national guard came in to boost our numbers and prevent looting. They stuck one guardsmen with each deputy and we drove around town together.

>Sheriff
>4 star
Kek. He’s the equivalent of a company or battalion CO. Major or Lt Col at the highest. Hes just famous for giving funny interviews with reporters and being creative/“controversial” in his investigations like when he went on Grindr to nail a bunch of drug dealers on there. That pissed off a bunch of leftyfags. He did some work with Chris Hansen. When a suspect killed a deputy and his K9 his officers shot the dude 68 times and people tried to act like it was police brutality he was entirely unapologetic and pointed out he’d already killed and pointed a gun at other officers and that they would have shot him more if they hadn’t run out of bullets. Most sheriffs are preoccupied with politics and shit because it’s an elected position. He wins by 80% of the vote because he clowns on criminals and reporters. That’s what central Florida voters want in a sheriff.

>>64146386
Does that mean his power level is the highest in the department?

>>64146388
checked, how does a sheriff department work with or alongside the regular police? i see many counties/cities have a sheriff but also a metro police?

No law enforcement officer, agent or state or federal employee has more authority than a US County Sherriff in his own county.

>>64146517
Yes
>>64146588
Correct

>>64146588
if there is a sheriff why is there also regular police? also, feds can override sheriff jurisdiction right?

>>64146602
Those harnesses look pretty fucking gay

>>64146344 (OP)
>How do american police ranks translate to the military, this guy seems like a 4 star general so could he outrank a military captain if they shared jurisdiction in a crisis or something?


They don't. Police use military rank structure, but they aren't military personnel so the ranks don't translate.

>>64146609
sherrifs are for the county, police are for towns and cities. there are also state police, highway police, and federal police if you want to confuse yourself further

>>64146618
American police these days only like to LARP like they are military operators in all their hand-me-down gear, while hiding outside pissing their pants as soon as someone who can shoot back appears killing kids

>>64146609
Sheriff is an elected leader of a town or city's police force, large city might have multiple police districts with their own chiefs for each district, but those are jobs gained by promotion and not elected
A small town might just have a sheriff who is also the chief

>>64146609
It depends on the case. If it's a federal case then the feds have jurisdiction.

>>64146623
>>64146632
Er yeah, county
I've lived in to many counties that are pretty much just 1 city and it's subburbs

>>64146637
Yeah I wonder how it works in city-counties or whatever they call them.

>>64146558
Then, in some places, you have the FBI, State Police, a county Sherriff's office, separate county police, and then your local police in the individual towns.

>>64146623
>highway police
do they just drive up and down the highways all day kek

>>64146650
No. They mostly sit in one spot and pull over people that are guilty of speeding, smuggling, or poverty.

>>64146635
federal law enforcement has to ask the County Sheriff for permission to operate in his county. Feds do not supersede a county Sheriff.

>>64146833
I don't know what retard told you that but it's not true.

>>64146646
I used to live in Houston which covers all of Harris County. Usually the legal confines of the city is much smaller than the total size of the sprawl so you still get a bunch of other departments crammed in.
>old town that 100 years ago used to be in the fringes of the city grows into a suburb attached to the city but retains its original legal status and has its own cops and mayor and all that shit despite 20 min from downtown.

>>64146649
Sheriff Offices and Police Departments are creatures of state law. Their exact jurisdiction and powers are largely defined by the state and vary widely. As a general rule, the Sheriff is an elected position while Police departments are often administered by an appointed commissioner. Federal law enforcement, FBI, ATF, USMS etc. are creatures of the federal government. Their jurisdiction and powers are decided by Congress. In practice, state and federal law enforcement tend to work together. However they don't have to and both have separate courts. So, even if the state wants nothing to do with you, the federal government can haul you into its court system.

>>64146833
>federal law enforcement has to ask the County Sheriff for permission to operate in his county
That has literally not been true since the 1940s lol

>>64146920
What about the Constitution of the United States of America changed in 1940 ?

>>64146860
You are a fucking retard.

The U.S. Supreme Court has concluded as supported by more than 800 years of history: “The Sheriff is
the ‘Chief Executive and Administrative Officer’ of a county chosen by popular election. His principal duties
are in aid of the criminal and civil courts of record (common law courts); such as serving process, summoning
juries, executing judgments, holding judicial sales and the like. He is also the chief conservator of the peace
within his territorial jurisdiction.” Harston v. Langston, Tex. Civ. App., 292 S.W. 648, 650

>>64147130
Read Article IV of the Constitution and stop using ChatGPT.

>>64146344 (OP)
whenever I see that pic when browsing I see pic related
for fuck's sake OP

>>64147169
Retard Nigger I gave you the US Supreme Court case that is relevant

>>64146609
Feds can only take over a case if it is about Federal laws being broken. This could include normally non-Federal crimes that cross a state's border.

>>64146616
Oh, yeah? Carbondale CO has some questions for you.

>>64146344 (OP)
>pic related
Not to knock him, but I can't think his videos are good for Florida tourism, making the state look like its overrun with human refuse to foreigners.

>>64147329
those police are on drugs

>>64146344 (OP)

The US Military isn't permitted to be used in a law enforcement capacity unless a state of martial law is declared by the President due to the Posse Comitatus Act, in which case they outrank the police by default.

Ok, people are very confused in this thread.

In the United States, government jurisdiction works at overlapping levels from the most local all the way to federal.

This starts from a city or an incorporated town. If the settlement is unincorporated, or a rural property outside of any city/town it falls under the county government by default. Next step up from that is the state, then federal.
All of these have their own levels of law enforcement, but it can vary a lot on the local levels in order to suit the needs of the region and people who live there. You don't need an agency the size of the NYPD for a town of 1100 people in Iowa who have nothing but corn for miles in every direction.

A Sheriff is specifically an elected official in charge of the Sheriff's Department, which is the law enforcement agency in charge of a county. Counties can be pretty big, so you typically have cities and towns that also have their own, which focus on only the town/city that they work for. They do so in parallel with the SD, which is going to have overlapping jurisdiction but for the most part doesn't need to assist city/town police unless something serious happens. They are not in the same organization and don't answer to each other in a hierarchy, cooperation tends to be informal and can vary from place to place. SDs typically administer security for local courts as well, and enforce court orders.
City/Town PD can be headed by a Chief that is either elected or appointed. The process of which is entirely up to the city/town in question.

State Police/Highway Patrol are state-level agencies. Much like an SD, they have overlapping jurisdiction in the entire state, but with SDs and PDs handling most of the local work, HPs mostly focus on patrolling highways and also administer security for state buildings such as the state capital, much the same way that SDs guard court houses.

>>64146344 (OP)
Feds have ultimate authority regardless of any state laws made saying otherwise. Inb4 hurr this law says this, again those state laws do not trump federal law. We are a federation, the central government has rhe highest authority. If the military is activated and the feds say they have jurisdiction over local authorities, then they do.

>>64146649
In practical terms, most law enforcement in the US is handled at the local level. The local cops who arrest you for huffing jenkem are either sheriff's deputies or police officers. The difference is just a matter of location. If you're in a city with a police department, it's the police. If you're outside the city then it's the sheriff's deputies.

On a basic level, city police don't have any authority outside of their city and sheriff's deputies don't have any authority outside of their county. Sheriff's deputies technically have jurisdiction in cities that are inside their county, but exactly what they're allowed to do is usually a function of agreements between the city and county, and can vary from place to place. It's also not uncommon to have agreements between nearby cities and counties to share jurisdiction for various reasons.

State and federal law enforcement usually have specific duties and aren't involved with general police work unless requested. For example, state patrol (highway patrol, troopers) are mainly responsible for traffic-related enforcement and investigations on state and federal highways. Federal officers are mainly responsible for investigations related to federal crimes, but often cooperate with local police on task forces for specific reasons like drug or gang enforcement.

>>64147503
Federal gets complicated because there isn't one agency but a whole alphabet soup of them specialized in different things. That doesn't mean they outrank an HP, SD or PD (although they often act like it), federal agencies are only out there to enforce federal laws and assist smaller state/county/municipal agencies. Some criminal activity violated both state and federal law, so different levels of government and therefore levels of law enforcement frequently collaborate on investigation and prosecution.
For instance a person can be arrested by a PD for multiple violations and face charges in local court for violating state law, get acquitted and dragged into federal court to face charges for violating federal law as well.
An SD can ask the FBI for information about a criminal who is wanted outside of their jurisdiction and records, or ask the ATF to help with an arson investigation or to trace a recovered gun.

This sort of collaboration happens a lot in the LE world, but isn't a matter of bossing each other around. For instance feds often have a cultural attitude of superiority, but that doesn't mean they actually go shoving themselves where they aren't needed or wanted unless there is a compelling reason to do so. That's mostly a Hollywood trope. It is notable also that most of the routine day in/day out work is done on the local level.

Also I missed a point earlier. Not every incorporated city or town has a PD. A lot of smaller ones don't have a budget to organize and run one, so they contract with the SD to provide LE services for their town instead.

>>64146609
Sheriffs are politicians in a uniform and badge thats all.

>>64146609
>also, feds can override sheriff jurisdiction right?
I'm mostly replying to you here to expand on what some anons said because US law is pretty weird in this area.

>>64147315
>Feds can only take over a case if it is about Federal laws being broken.
That's true but it's also open to wild abuse so in the civil rights era, specific laws were created that made infringing on certain rights a federal crime for the specific reason that DC could send the FBI in and they wouldn't be locals who'd side with the dudes lynching people or whatever.

>This could include normally non-Federal crimes that cross a state's border.
To expand on anon's point; this is based on inter-state relations being a federal problem, can't have the kids squabbling too hard with each other.
You do a murder in state X and flee to state Y?
Now it's federal and FBI chases you wherever.

>>64146833
Lol no

t. DA office staff

>>64147130
>800 years of history
The US supreme court was handing out rulings back in the medieval era?

>>64146344 (OP)
Get incident command training from fema and you'll learn, how, if the situation calls, when someone like a county sheriff might outrank military personnel.

>>64146370
>The Posse Comitatus Act prevents that.
Jokes on you, these clowns can't read

>>64146833
Lol no
>t. Tribal citizen who wipes his ass with local LEO tickets when they don't get marshals on the scene

>>64149067
We take our law from the English tradition where the office of sheriff originates from. There is case law from there going back that far.

>>64147503
State police can often cover a variety of tasks depending on how they're set up. In my state they're responsible for state building security, VIP protection, highway patrol, marine/riverine patrol, and criminal investigation, while also administering the missing persons database, the sex offender registry, and issuing driver licenses.

>>64147503
In my state/county there is a sheriff's office, and a county police department. Both have jurisdiction throughout the county.

The county police handles general policing, and falls under the executive branch.

The sheriff's office falls under the judicial branch and thus their primary duties are court related, providing security for courthouses and courtrooms, serving warrants, subpoenas, summonses transport of criminals to/from prison and the courthouse, etc.

And while sheriff's have general law enforcement powers within the county, they're not generally going to go out looking for crimes happening like the county police department.

They're are then also smaller police departments for various cities throughout the county with smaller jurisdictions.

AFAIK our system is one of the oldest sheriff's systems used in the United States, established in the 1640s.

>>64147130
Nothing you just posted has anything to do with federal supremacy.

There are over 18k law enforcement agencies in the US. Police rank has nothing to do with military rank, it’s just a way of visually representing who is in charge. There could be a chief of a department with 5 officers who wears 4 starts, and the deputy chief has 3 etc.

>>64146344 (OP)
>>64146374
>>64146388
Polk County, FL has about 550 sworn officers so he would be a Lt. Col

>>64146386
>Those stars mean he is THE Sheriff
He has four stars, is he four sheriffs? You only need one star to be the sheriff, the rest is insecurity

>>64146344 (OP)
US court officers arent connected to the military in any capacity south american anon
when martial law is declared LEO has no authority
and what ranks mean is pretty much made up by each dept/state
those stars could just be seniority/years employed

>>64149271
don't the courts like to trace their roots back to Rome

>>64150005
It depends on the department. My department had 1 sheriff who had 3 stars. Then there was an undersheriff with 2 stars. And 2 assistant undersheriffs that each had 1 star.

>>64149984
Are they all under the sheriffs department though? How many deputies total?

>>64149067
Your reading comprehension is terrible.

>>64149271
see Article IV of the Const. aka "The Supremacy Clause". The other anon is being an absolute mug.

>>64150087
Some continental legal systems do - see: Roman-Dutch. But the common law no, not per se. Although there is obviously cross pollination. Ironically, the nature of English common law is why England rose to be such a global power (and why the US is so successful). The way it handles commerce and property is vastly superior to systems with roots in Roman law or the Napoleonic codification which dominates France and Latin America.

>>64146558
On the most general level, police handle everything within city limits, while the Sheriff's department handles the rest of the county, along with courts and jails. It's often less clear than that based on specific local arrangements though, and there'll typically be some overlap due to different capabilities between PD and SD - for example SDs in more rural areas do a lot of search and rescue and will be called in for that even if the situation is within PD jurisdiction. (LA is a good example of that, there are pretty big wilderness areas like Griffith Park within city limits so you'll see LASD getting involved there.)

>>64146623
>>64146650
>>64146664
If you want to confuse yourself even the greatest, Highway Police and State Police are often the same thing.
Some states

>>64146344 (OP)
Many uniformed LE agencies use the 4 stars for chief or sheriff. My former PD and state troopers used the full bird colonel for chief. Also depends on agency size, a big PD with several deputy chiefs or the like may use the 1
Star for that. Our ranks were Pfc, Cpl, Sgt, Lt, Capt, Major all using standard military rank.

LEO hierarchy having any overlap at all with military ranks is extremely gay and shouldn't be legal.