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Anonymous No.64147288 >>64147321 >>64147322 >>64147432 >>64147488 >>64147627 >>64147705 >>64147709 >>64147711 >>64147727 >>64147733 >>64147842 >>64148402 >>64148481 >>64148708 >>64148762 >>64151047
Ukrainian heavy drone armed with a 155mm shell
guys...
WHAT THE FUCK, HOW ARE YOU SUPPOSED TO DEFEND AGAINST THAT?!
Anonymous No.64147321 >>64147380 >>64147420 >>64147672 >>64147782 >>64147815 >>64148044 >>64148165 >>64148556 >>64148912 >>64152535
>>64147288 (OP)
Why is this supposed to be better than a 155mm shell being lobbed from a barrel, guided by drones?
Anonymous No.64147322 >>64148729
>>64147288 (OP)
shoot at it?
there's a reason these big fucks barely ever get used, they're not worth it and they don't have the mosquito factor that makes dealing with the small ones so difficult as a single poorfag soldier without electronic warfare equipment
Anonymous No.64147380 >>64147397 >>64147442
>>64147321
you don't need to sit out in the open with a 155mm gun shooting multiple rounds trying to walk them on target with enemy glide bombs, counter battery artillery and TBMs waiting for anything that looks like a target to reveal itself within 50km of the front line
Anonymous No.64147397 >>64147420 >>64147434 >>64147832
>>64147380
Drone operators have to be significantly closer to the front, and any artillery worth its weight will be capable of shoot and scoot in a timely fashion
A non shithole will also have focused on using its air force to gain aerial dominance, and its AD to plug any gaps, allowing bulk conventional artillery pieces the safety net to go to work
There isn't a benefit, it's a desperate move
Anonymous No.64147420 >>64147426 >>64147447
>>64147397
>>64147321

you can detect artillery much better passivly compared to drone EM signals. ITs probably also a lot cheaper when you consider the training and logistics of moving around artillery pieces instead of some pieces of plastic.

I think that drones will dominate the mortar niche in the future
Anonymous No.64147426 >>64147453 >>64147705
>>64147420
>mortar
But that's a 155mm shell
Anonymous No.64147432 >>64148044 >>64148161
>>64147288 (OP)
Why does that shell have a tow ring on it?
Anonymous No.64147434 >>64147470
>>64147397
Unfortunately for russia they're a shit hole that can't establish air dominance, has an AD network so porous spicy Cesnas are blowing up refineries, and has lost so much of its artillery it depends on North Korea to maintain equivalence along the front.
>it's a desperate move
Ukraine never pretended to be the second army in the world, and the ability to put a 155mm shell places it's not expected to be without exposing a barrel to counter battery is a decent trick.
Anonymous No.64147442
>>64147380
You do know that modern artillery isn't horse drawn cannons that take an hour to set up and tear down?
Or at least Western artillery isn't, Russians probably already ate the horses so now they have slave pulled cannons.
Anonymous No.64147447 >>64147475
>>64147420
>you can detect artillery much better passivly compared to drone EM signals
without western EW tech, perhaps, with it, not so much, these drone teams get spotted just as fast and annihalated.
Anonymous No.64147453 >>64147533
>>64147426
and?

Pic related is a 60cm mortar round
Anonymous No.64147470
>>64147434
We already know what's happening in Ukraine, we're theorizing future wars with real militaries.
Anonymous No.64147475 >>64147490 >>64152546
>>64147447
You can pinpoint the position of artillery pieces as soon as they start firing with modern radars. The drone operators dont even have to be near the drones when they start and with the introduction of fibreglass there is no EM signal to pick up
Anonymous No.64147488 >>64151950
>>64147288 (OP)
>155mm
What happened to all the Soviet tank shells? Are they really so depleted they would rather use new production?
Anonymous No.64147490 >>64147505
>>64147475
>You can pinpoint the position of artillery pieces as soon as they start firing with modern radars.
Modern self propelled artilery will fire of a several round salvo and leave before those rounds land on target.
Anonymous No.64147505 >>64147510 >>64147539
>>64147490
the position will be located before the fitst rounds hit anon.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Counter-battery_radar
Anonymous No.64147510 >>64147585
>>64147505
Point is that having the position serves you no purpose. Any counter-battery fire will arrive too late.
Anonymous No.64147533 >>64147543 >>64147585
>>64147453
And when was the mortar shell last used, and by what? How many are used today?
Nigger nobody is launching 155mm shells with a mortar
Anonymous No.64147539 >>64147585
>>64147505
And before any retaltion has started, let alone hit, they are gone
This is inferior to decent artillery
Anonymous No.64147543 >>64147575
>>64147533
>doesn't know about
tourists get the rope
Anonymous No.64147575
>>64147543
>tourists get the
Doesn't know about
Anonymous No.64147585 >>64147602 >>64147635 >>64147650
>>64147533
Are you retarded? The size of the artillery shell is not important nor the type. The point was that I think that drones will fill the niche of mortars what they use to blow up zigger or chinks doesnt matter.

>>64147510
>>64147539
>retards in action
You guys just admitted yourself why drones might be the better alternative in some situations. Nobody has enough money to field 10k 155rch so they can sent them on every mission. Even the pzh2k got spotted and taken out.
Is it bots trying to farm engagement or did the collective IQ on this board take a nosedive the last month?
Anonymous No.64147602 >>64147644 >>64147684
>>64147585
>mortars
It is very relevant what size artillery because nobody who isn't retarded is using large caliber mortars, ergo they are not a replacement for any equipment throwing 155mm shells
Anonymous No.64147627 >>64148044
>>64147288 (OP)
Anonymous No.64147635
>>64147585
>Is it bots trying to farm engagement or did the collective IQ on this board take a nosedive the last month?
The board is a landfill of retards, literal shills, contrarians and shartposting
Anonymous No.64147644 >>64147659
>>64147602
noo you cant use bigger explosives on your drone than I can shovel into my tube. Thats unfaaair
Anonymous No.64147650 >>64147678
>>64147585
>You guys just admitted yourself why drones might be the better alternative in some situations
You explained it yoursef. Nobody has enough money to field 10k self propelled guns. If the Ukrainians had enough guns they wouldn't be wasting 155mm ammunition on drones.

>Even the pzh2k got spotted and taken out.
iirc the only such loss of a pzh2k with one additional being damaged. Those are some out of this world survival rates especially considering how much they're used.

Drones need to fly up to 20-30km or more behind the lines to hit these guys. Its pure luck.
Anonymous No.64147659 >>64147685
>>64147644
Nobody is using a 155mm mortar because they can launch it from a tube 3x the distance away than would be done via a mortar
Using it in this way (how it is supposed to be used) is also superior to lugging it from a similar range as the mortar from a drone
Both are inferior methods to actual long tube artillery, what point are you even trying to make?
If ukraine had the barrels, and the air force, and the doctrine to actually support its assets it would do the same rather than this
Anonymous No.64147672 >>64147687
>>64147321
>Why is this supposed to be better than a 155mm shell being lobbed from a barrel, guided by drones?
It doesn't cost millions of dollars for an SPG
It doesn't cost a ton of money for a cool modern guided shell
Anonymous No.64147678 >>64147762
>>64147650
>if things would be different I would be right

>iirc the only such loss of a pzh2k with one additional being damaged. Those are some out of this world survival rates especially considering how much they're used.
yeah I know but normal artillery doesnt have that luxury. The US is still using towed artillery which would not have those survival rates
Anonymous No.64147684 >>64147722
>>64147602
>using large caliber mortars
USA still uses the M30. Russia uses the M-160. They also use the 2S4 Tyulpan. Ukraine uses M240.
Anonymous No.64147685 >>64147722
>>64147659
You arent even understanding the question. It like talking to a chat bot. Just going around circles
Anonymous No.64147687 >>64148153
>>64147672
Yeah thats fair enough
But if you have the wealth to do so it is clearly the better option
It's not an insult to the yooks for doing it, but that doesn't mean it should be replicated when there isn't any need to
Anonymous No.64147705 >>64149715
>>64147426
>But that's a 155mm shell
It's filling the niche of a mortar.
The pilots are in mortar range too.
It's just a very heavy mortar.

>>64147288 (OP)
>HOW ARE YOU SUPPOSED TO DEFEND AGAINST THAT?!
This is how drone dropping bois cope with cages.
Anonymous No.64147709
>>64147288 (OP)
The only solution I've seen for something this big involved a donbabwe e-thot sticking a russian shell into her junk
Anonymous No.64147711 >>64147717 >>64147757
>>64147288 (OP)
why even use artillery anymore
i swear dronechads can't stop winning
Anonymous No.64147717 >>64147757
>>64147711
except they lose every argument and get embarrassed in every thread lmao
Anonymous No.64147722
>>64147685
>noo you cant use bigger explosives on your drone than I can shovel into my tube. Thats unfaaair
A very compelling question

>>64147684
US uses the M-120 now no?
Either way I never disagreed there is a use case for drones competing against low range mortars, just look at switchblade
But the OP image is a 155mm shell
Anonymous No.64147727 >>64148523
>>64147288 (OP)
MandiΔ‡.iz.čusta.jebe.NAFO-jews.u.usta No.64147733 >>64147811
>>64147288 (OP)
Anonymous No.64147757
>>64147711
>>64147717
Anonymous No.64147762 >>64147841
>>64147678
>>if things would be different I would be right
What does that even mean? If Ukraine had more self propelled guns they would be using them instead. What thought process brought you to the conclusion that wasting shells of your most modern and capable artillery systems, while there are ample alternative explosives around, is a worthwile endevour?

>the US is still using towed artillery which would not have those survival rates
Everyone is still using 'towed artillery' but they also have large numbers of self propelled guns that are becoming increasingly more common because they're just that good.

People funamentally misunderstand the fact drones are tactical in nature, operating at company level. Medium and Heavy artillery are usually in their own dedicated battalions and are brigade level assets. That is to say, a drone is useless if its not over the enemy area and it usually has one shot before its either destroyed or returns to base.

Artillery isn't like that, they will deliver accurate fire out to dozens of kilometers away. They will be supporting all the other battalions in the brigade. Imagine just one battery, usually 6 guns, firing of bursts of 4 rounds each minute. That's 24 155m shells every minute telling you to go fuck yourself. You need entire drone swarms just to match the uncontested firepower of a single artillery battery.
Anonymous No.64147782 >>64148059
>>64147321
>Why is this supposed to be better than a 155mm shell being lobbed from a barrel, guided by drones?

It's not. Ukrainians are all-in on drones because they don't have full control of their battle space to use like Arty, Air, and tanks. Drones didn't make everything obsolete or replace stuff. They're just filling in gaps that poorer militaries lack
Anonymous No.64147811
>>64147733
bye bye serbnigger
Anonymous No.64147815
>>64147321
It's not inherently, but Ukrainians in many units don't have the ability to lob enough shells, so being able to just drop one accurately on someone's head is very beneficial.
It's a strong night-strike capability as well.
Anonymous No.64147825 >>64147829
It's nice to see Ukraine is in no shortage of artillery shells anymore. I remember when this shit made the news every single day, as if Ukraine would fall instantly because muh ziggers fire 6x more shells (with 9x less accuracy anyway).
Anonymous No.64147829
>>64147825
They're lacking guns now instead.
Anonymous No.64147832
>>64147397
>Everyone has self propelled artillery
>Chair force da best
I one up the retardation with nukes
>t. Pentomic man
Anonymous No.64147841 >>64147880 >>64147893 >>64148145
>>64147762
The M777, when corrected, lands shells 10 to 30 meters away from a target 15 kilometers away. With something as inexpensive as the M1156 PGK, you can have it land as close as 5 meters away 90% of the time. New artillery is insanely accurate, even more so with ISR UAVs.

FPVs in Ukraine are often getting used to kill already immobilized targets deader, AFAIK because of their response time.
Anonymous No.64147842
>>64147288 (OP)
A rope, a net, cable, a tee shirt cannon, a stiff breeze, a chain, those prop drones are incredibly simple to defeat even cave people technology will work. They are very unstable to begin with. Pretty much anything touches any of the props and its tits up for the drone.
Anonymous No.64147868
>those shitty rc helicopter missions are now irl too
Anonymous No.64147880
>>64147841
The CEP is around 0.6% after corrections, not 0.07 - 0.21%
Anonymous No.64147893
>>64147841
>FPVs in Ukraine are often getting used to kill already immobilized targets deader, AFAIK because of their response time.
That was kinda my point, drones operate within the battalion and its subordinate units. You need to have drone operators and drones in the immediate area for them to be responsive. They are, in this manner, far more similar to mortars or even a heavy machine gun than they are to a 155mm artillery piece.


Anyway, point was that drones and artillery aren't competing between eachother and self propelled howitzers, especially on trucks, are all the rage now. Its like comparing assault rifles to hand grenades, It makes no sense and ultimately they compliment each other.
Anonymous No.64148044
>>64147321
>Why is this supposed to be better than a 155mm shell being lobbed from a barrel, guided by drones?
Because of this problem.
Watch the original, I had to cut it in 1/3.

https://files.catbox.moe/r101mk.MP4
https://t.me/ButusovPlus/22265

An SPG is spotted by enemy drones and its crew have to shoot down waves of FPVs with rifles until the gun could be evacuated.

Incidentally, this defence is probably also viable for >>64147627, if a well-trained and disciplined squad can shoot down FPVs that well, they can probably deal with a single eagle sized drone.


>>64147432
>Why does that shell have a tow ring on it?
It's an enduring symbol of someone's love for high explosive.
Anonymous No.64148059 >>64148084
>>64147782
>drones didn't change anything
>they just close the gap between trillion dollars militaries and budget militaries
Anonymous No.64148084 >>64148143
>>64148059
>they just close the gap
But they don't. Being able to do tactical mischief with drones doesn't mean you have any chance of winning on the operational or the strategic level, where the war is actually decided.
All it means is you'll cause some more casualties, but these superpower militaries are geared to fight against near peer enemies, so it's fine. The US went into Iraq expecting tens of thousands of deaths.
Anonymous No.64148143
>>64148084
>Neer-peer
Is saying great or super power not PC? What level of equity fallacy is calling any great power near peer?
Anonymous No.64148145 >>64148234 >>64148252 >>64151994
>>64147841
>FPVs in Ukraine are often getting used to kill already immobilized targets deader, AFAIK because of their response time.
You forgot that there's no counter battery for an FPV drone
Anonymous No.64148153
>>64147687
>But if you have the wealth to do so it is clearly the better option
Depends on the use cases. Good SPGs are pretty cool in that they can do a ton of fire on an area, but are vulnerable to drones and counter-battery fire.
Modern rocket artillery like HIMARS is IMO better because of the accuracy and range
Anonymous No.64148161
>>64147432
That's a lifting plug. Most shells are shipped with one, and fuzes are added separately; it's a century-old logistics thing to avoid explosives accidents during shipping.
Anonymous No.64148165
>>64147321
I think it's not supposed to fully replace arty but instead exist side by side
Anonymous No.64148234 >>64148266
>>64148145
>You forgot that there's no counter battery for an FPV drone
That's not true.
Radio can certainly be fixed by an EW team and those coordinates passed to an FPV squad.

Fibre is less easy but not impossible as you know.
It was probably easier when the fields weren't littered with fibre everywhere.
Anonymous No.64148252 >>64148384 >>64148404
>>64148145
>You forgot that there's no counter battery for an FPV drone
top 10 anime mistakes

America was counterbatterying ISIS drone dropper operators with GMLRS way back in the Battle of Mosul days. It's a fuckin radio beacon shouting (in full amateur-commercial streaming electronics glory like a 450 pound woman waddling through the walmart naked) please shoot my face for every 1st world ESM post within radio horizon; and since a number of them are going to be airborne that's a hundreds of km radius tapped into Link-16 and ATAK at a minimum.
Anonymous No.64148266 >>64148384
>>64148234
https://youtu.be/sPmkyiiVkj4?si=TmKA50IeAHyVaW5D
Ai chips and fiber optics counteract jamming, buuuuuut rat shot might be a good option
Anonymous No.64148384
>>64148266
Nobody said shit about jamming. EW is also identifying shit like sognal sources on a battlefield, and commercial grade drone controllers are like bright lights on a dark night. Very easy to identify. See >>64148252
Anonymous No.64148402
>>64147288 (OP)
Thats just a third world jank version of a glide bomb.
Anonymous No.64148404 >>64148412
>>64148252
It's 2025 retard, nobody has just one source of signal, they fly literal mesh networks
Anonymous No.64148412 >>64149189
>>64148404
>lighting more bulbs makes us harder to see!
Genius. You sound like the kind of prepper who thinks they're going to beat the NSA with LoRa.
Anonymous No.64148481 >>64148557 >>64148758
>>64147288 (OP)
>pic rel
Is dis possible next iteration of the drone warfare?
Anonymous No.64148523
>>64147727
Look how happy he is <3
Anonymous No.64148556 >>64148957 >>64152019
>>64147321
>Why is this supposed to be better than a 155mm shell being lobbed from a barrel, guided by drones?
Lack of counter-battery, for one.

It should be noted, we're in the infancy of drone-dropped munitions. Things like 155/152mm shells, 120mm mortars, and taped together TM-62 mines are used for their convince and ubiquity, but aren't actually optimal. Drone-dropped munition doesn't have the design restrictions that are imposed by a shell, mine, etc. They are a different thing entirely.

Some drone companies are experimenting with that path of logic, of course. But we've yet to see production of anything truly purpose-built at scale.
Anonymous No.64148557 >>64149115 >>64149263
>>64148481
I like your ideas anon
Anonymous No.64148708 >>64148767
>>64147288 (OP)
we're almost there
Anonymous No.64148718 >>64148730
What happened to that Russian breakthrough? Did they died?
Anonymous No.64148729
>>64147322
>there's a reason these big fucks barely ever get used

totally the opposite they're the most lethal drones UA has. they mostly fly at night so unless you're lucky enough to have a thermal you're generally shit out of luck for shooting at it
Anonymous No.64148730
>>64148718
'Breaktrought' in Russian has a completely different meaning
Anonymous No.64148758
>>64148481
Next?
If a drone can lift a 155mm shell, it can lift a SADM.
Anonymous No.64148762 >>64148768
>>64147288 (OP)
How expensive is that drone?
Anonymous No.64148767 >>64149511 >>64149535 >>64149645
>>64148708
kek, I wonder what the fpv footage will look like
Anonymous No.64148768 >>64150272
>>64148762
Cheaper than modern 155mm artillery.
Much, much cheaper.
Anonymous No.64148912
>>64147321
It's more precise when your enemy doesn't have a high power jammer than even smart shells for the price of a dumb shell. Funny backpacks and nerf toys might not even do anything against a high flying dropper drone with good EW hardening.

Also these drones can drop a lot of payload between food and 155mm. Imagine having your logistic trucks also double as artillery guns.
Anonymous No.64148957 >>64149572
>>64148556
>Implying drone pilots haven't been getting counter batteried for this entire war
Anonymous No.64149115
>>64148557
lost
Anonymous No.64149188
It makes much more sense if thought of like an anti-tank mine from hell. Fly through a sensor gap and land in some random treeline, crater, or on a roof and power down. Lurk for days, if a small drone sees something juicy it awakens to strike in seconds rather than minutes like tube arty, especially since it keeps both the ISR and strike component organic to the drone unit.
Anonymous No.64149189
>>64148412
More repeaters does help, my brown friend
Anonymous No.64149263
>>64148557
Lmao
Anonymous No.64149511
>>64148767
Anonymous No.64149535 >>64153139
>>64148767
Anonymous No.64149572
>>64148957
Lack, not complete absence of.

Other than long-ish range fire platforms (HIMARS, M270) I doubt there is a single towed artillery or SPG crew with anywhere nearly the survivability as an average drone company.
Anonymous No.64149645
>>64148767
ukies be homosexing russians
Anonymous No.64149715
>>64147705
>loitering/guided munitions are filling the roll of a mortar
Absolutely fucking not.
Anonymous No.64150272 >>64152282 >>64152938
>>64148768
Artillery can fire ~2.000 rounds. After you wear out your first barrel on your brand new Ceasar 6x6 (~6 million €) you're already down to 3000€ innitial investment per round fired. New barrels are in half a million range so then you're basically down to something like a couple hundred € per fired shell.

Obviously there are other costs, logistics or manning requirements but artillery is one of the cheapest ways to lob large things that go boom at the enemy from really far away.
Anonymous No.64151047
>>64147288 (OP)
Its stupid because they're lifting and delivering 35lb of carefully made expensive shell casing for withstanding in-barrel acceleration that could be explosives or at least pre fragmented shrapnel instead. I guess they are getting it cheap. Don't say fusing how are they going to use some wunderwaffel special fusing?
Anonymous No.64151950
>>64147488
>What happened to all the Soviet tank shells? Are they really so depleted they would rather use new production?

Yes, Ukraine burned through most of theirs long ago. It's mostly 155 shells now.
Anonymous No.64151994
>>64148145
Lmao
Tell that to the dumb fuck jihadis who had JDAMs dropped directly onto their heads after their shitty toy drone feed cut out
Are you new?
Anonymous No.64152019 >>64152302
>>64148556
>lack of counter battery
What planet are you living in? Drone operators are under greater peril assuming the opponent isn't using bargain bin EW, due to their much closer proximity to combat and their significantly inferior ability to relocate
They get blown up all the time
Anonymous No.64152282
>>64150272
It's hard to compare cost-effectiveness against drones. It all depends on the drones' survival rate.

I'm inclined to believe these drones actually beat the 3k€/round figure but will lose against cheaper artillery systems and barrel prices.
Anonymous No.64152302 >>64152362
>>64152019
They don't though. Most of them sit in a bunker with a relay out in the field so you need to send a drone to scan the area and actually find them somewhere in the vicinity, then call an actual air strike cause artillery isn't gonna reach deep enough.
Anonymous No.64152362 >>64152398 >>64152499
>>64152302
How far back do you think they can operate from? They're at best 20km from the front
And the US had the capability to trace drone operator locations to a pinpoint and respond over a decade ago
Anonymous No.64152398 >>64152660
>>64152362
>And the US had the capability to trace drone operator locations to a pinpoint and respond over a decade ago
And nobody has ever accused Russia of being bad at EW, it's the one thing they've been consistently good at.
Anonymous No.64152499 >>64152704
>>64152362
>How far back do you think they can operate from?
Potentially any distance away with enough relays.
>They're at best 20km from the front
Coincidentally that's about the distance an artillery gun would be at most of the time if not closer. Gun theoretical range != gun placement range to support troops effectively.
>And the US had the capability to trace drone operator locations to a pinpoint and respond over a decade ago
Sand niggers while having full control of the skies and not front line. You can also start explaining to me how you're gonna trace someone emitting a km from their actual position using a concealed cable to a relay.

Is it really that hard to imagine that one war has two industrial powers that throw 1m ali baba drones with bespoke modifications and half a million various high tech ones, while the other war was against literal goat hearders who sometimes got their hands on a few shitty drones.
Anonymous No.64152535 >>64152553
>>64147321
Unguided 155mm shell: 120 meters CEP $2000 cost
Drone dropped 155mm shell: 5 meters CEP $2000 cost
Guided 155mm shell: 10 meters CEP, $80000 cost.
Anonymous No.64152546
>>64147475
>You can pinpoint the position of artillery pieces as soon as they start firing with modern radars. T
Modern meta in Ukraine artillery is detected even before shooting by long range ISR drones. Shooting and scouting doesn't work well anymore, because running around under ISR drone camera dies nothing.
Anonymous No.64152553
>>64152535
>$2000 cost
The total cost of shell + propellant + barrel wear and ignoring everything else was +4500 dollars pre 2022, it's like 6000-10000 in current year.
Anonymous No.64152576
This was around 3-4 years before the Ukrainian war. Turkish songar drone delivering 120mm mortar drone from 3000 meters away
Anonymous No.64152660
>>64152398
What part of EW have they been consistently good at, because it is a huge and layered aspect of warfare
Much of which no, they are not good at
Anonymous No.64152704 >>64152835
>>64152499
Those sand nigger tactics are what the slavnigger monkeys are aping still today, so fucking lmao at you on your high horse you vodka sucking ape
Nobody is contesting US aerial dominance (besides maybe CHYNAH) so what is your point?
The US military has spent a lot more time working out the convoluted layers of electronic warfare than laymen like me or you, and has done so long before the first vodka sucking monkey flew a shitty Chinese toy at another snow ape
Anonymous No.64152835 >>64152915 >>64152942
>>64152704
>Those sand nigger tactics are what the slavnigger monkeys are aping still today,
A half assed Russian deployment could sweep most of Syrian resistance groups. Don't compare the two.
>Nobody is contesting US aerial dominance (besides maybe CHYNAH) so what is your point?
We're talking about the Russo-Ukrainian war, retard. Having relays instead of emitting from your position directly also works for that since the precious F35 will just bomb a random field.
>The US military has spent a lot more time working out the convoluted layers of electronic warfare than laymen like me or you
Funny DoD pictures don't make Excalibur and GLSDB get unjammed.
Anonymous No.64152915 >>64152926
>>64152835
The whole hearted Russian deployment is using those Syrian resistance group tactics
Anonymous No.64152926 >>64152946
>>64152915
>The whole hearted Russian deployment is using those Syrian resistance group tactics
The half assed Syrian deployment just bombed Syrian resistance into oblivion from the air. The whole RuAF tried to do it in Ukraine when it still had only discount soviet relics as their AD and failed.

Now you're here arguing that bombing sandniggers is a proof that your tactics are better.
Anonymous No.64152938
>>64150272
>Even so, it can be said with 90 percent confidence that the fatigue life for the XM776 cannon tube is no less than 3,000 effective full charges. This satisfies the XM776 design requirement of exceeding the M284 wear life of 2,650 effective full charges (M203A1 charge).
I know these aren't the most modern systems, but still.
Anonymous No.64152942 >>64152979 >>64152980
>>64152835
>this is what russians actually believe
Anonymous No.64152946 >>64152980
>>64152926
Except the US and Israel have bombed discount soviet relic AD into oblivion repeatedly these last few decades
And no, the russians did not sweep Syria, Syria had multiple groups including the US conducting ground and air offensives and I'm not sure if you noticed but the russian propped regime just completely collapsed pathetically
Anonymous No.64152979
>>64152942
Excalibur and GLSDB did have issues with jamming fucking up precision enough to make their use less practical.
Anonymous No.64152980 >>64153044
>>64152946
>Except the US and Israel have bombed discount soviet relic AD into oblivion repeatedly these last few decades
Not Ukrainian one, didn't even have the balls to challenge actual Russian AD either.
>but the russian propped regime just completely collapsed pathetically
After they started being 100% involved in Ukraine and their meatshields collapsed faster than they could call an air strike.
>>64152942
>Russians
You should see what actually is talked about in Ukraine when it comes to the evaluation of western and eastern gear. In particular I have yet to see about US stuff being particularly EW resistant, despite hearing claims of Polish drones doing well. Same when it comes to EW itself and Ukraine generally handling this area themselves instead of relying on donated equipment.
Anonymous No.64153044 >>64153050
>>64152980
>didn't have the balls
They absolutely crushed the same dogshit russian junk that the gopniks themselves use, over and over and over again
Russia would be rolled by US LandAir battle so fast it's not even funny
You are fucking retarded
Anonymous No.64153050 >>64153174 >>64153594
>>64153044
>Could
Always could never actually does.
Anonymous No.64153139
>>64149535
imagine the reaction of their commander when he gets the footage
Anonymous No.64153174 >>64153427
>>64153050
>could
no, DID, multiple times, faggot, thirdie tactics lost, thirdie AA lost, russian thirdies are no different, that's the origin of their gear.
Anonymous No.64153427
>>64153174
>>no, DID, multiple times, faggot, thirdie tactics lost, thirdie AA lost, russian thirdies are no different, that's the origin of their gear.
Anonymous No.64153594
>>64153050
Keep being a fucking retarded faggot all you want thirdie cunt
The US shits all over your faggot shithole and your faggot obsession with Chinese toys