Thread 64148137

Was Stoner right about 20 round mags? Or do we need 30 rounds?

OP having trouble shoving 30rd mags up his gaping ass and wants to scale down to 20rd mags

>>64148137 (OP)
Stoner wanted 65-round belts in a drum.

>>64148141
my asshole isn't as flexible as it use to be

>>64148141
If its too big it just hurts, no pleasure

There has never been a single situation where having less ammo would be good. There's a reason why an average ukie infantry guy has at least 12-15 mags directly on him and at least the same amount of ammo in a backpack;

>>64148167
yeah the reason is slavs are hoarders and we stupidly give them way too much

>>64148174
Silence, polestinian

>>64148164
I don't think that's how it works, aren't you supposed to be moving up to 40?

>>64148189
Try being old sometime, flexibility loss cuts both ways

>>64148167
that doesnt say anything about if its 'good' its just doctrine decided by someone. wouldnt copy what the losing side is doing unless you're also sending yourself into the trenches against the russians - in that case yeah, bring all the ammo you have, bring your prayer beads too

>>64148191
>>64148189
It's about the elasticity and how well you recover after. 30 rounders are just too big for me

>>64148144
Why did we stop innovating, was it because all the good gun designers died.

>>64148191
No thanks, I fully intend to kill myself when I hit 35 so I don't have to deal with being old. I'm already getting shocked by my age already at 25, just the other day I was jamming to some songs when one I loved in high school came on and it had the line "now its 2016". I felt my bones instantly turn to dust hearing that

>>64148189
Ever had chapped lips? It's kind of like that. It's loose but you still can't stretch it too much.

>>64148208
You won't do it
t.knower

>>64148214
You don't know me

>>64148137 (OP)
no, everyone seems to be moving towards 45/60 rounders in combat when practical

>>64148208
You'll be fine. Everyone has that thought at 25, no one does it at 35.

>>64148219
But I do.

>>64148208
everyone older than you in the thread is laughing

>>64148204
There is currently a rampant anti-innovation culture in the small arms world, coupled with corruption viz. NGSW, and also simply because the guns already in use are really damn good and have very robust logistical tails for civilians and military users alike. The industry needs more innovation zealots like George Kellgren.

>>64148204
>Why did we stop innovating,
do you think 65-round belt drums is a good idea?

>>64148208
You naive little man, you're still an infant. Hollywood is less scared of aging than you are

>>64148263
>The industry needs more innovation zealots like George Kellgren.
Yep, otherwise literally everything is just a derivative of an AR or AK, or copying the Browning tilting barrel for handguns. We haven't had anything new since the 60s.

>>64148272
it's not called the Bill of Good Ideas asshole

Stoner never said 20 round mags were good. That was the limitation of Colt's tooling in 1964, they knew a constant curve was necessary but they were unable to make it. They were basically fine with it because the M14 had 20 round mags so just breaking even was acceptable.

Stoner's AR18 had 30 round mags standard before the AR15, in fact people were cutting ar15 spec rectangles into ar18 mags late in vietnam. As soon as 30 round mags started getting cranked out nobody bothered with 20s until the Mk12 era

>>64148137 (OP)
only welfare queen swat police use 20 round mags and actively suck them off in public like they have any point

>>64148272
Sure if you can make them reliable, I don't see why not. A compact bullpup with a 65 round mag would be great for CQC, less reloading would be safer since you are most vulnerable while reloading

>>64148331
Here in Cucknada we had Chinese import QZB-95's that were chambered in 5.56x45 instead of the proprietary Chinese cartridge and the Chinese also made 120 round STANAG drums for us.

>>64148137 (OP)
The optimal size for the AR-15 form is probably about 25 but it needs to be divisible by a the number of rounds on a stripper clip so maybe 24 and then they could make 8-round strippers. But 30 is close enough and not excessively big so it's fine.
AUG 42-rounders are a little excessive but the magwell is further back so they don't hang up on stuff very badly.

>>64148137 (OP)
>30 rounds?
I dunno 60 rounds sounds too little
I don't think 120 rounds will do the job
are you really sure 240 rounds will be enough anon?

>>64148137 (OP)
the reason for 20 round mags was mostly to do with crappy mags, 30 rounders were less reliable and so 20 rounds was just an acceptable drawback for more reliable feeding

modern magazines are pretty reliable in any size, so there isnt really any drawback to having 30 rounders
you could pack in more 20 round mags per crate than 30-round mags because of the straight walls, but most soldiers would rather have bullets in their gun instead of in the crate

>>64148230
Why did you post a pic of a common semi-feral Alabama 'Wear My Daddy' porch monkey?

>>64148208
>25
>gonna rope before 35

I’ve told myself for the last decade that I’m gonna rope before 30 but here I am at age 31. It is magnitudes harder than you think.

>>64148219
>you don’t know me
Nigger, WE ARE YOU. We were you several years ago.

>>64148224
For semi auto, 30 does seem to be the capacity at which you hit diminishing returns. But in full auto, and especially with controllable, useful full auto, a whole world of capacity opens up and 30 is nowhere near diminishing returns. Suddenly there is immense value in 60+ rounds mags.

>>64148208
I remember being 15

>>64148316
> they knew a constant curve was necessary but they were unable to make it.

My knowledge of fabrication is minimal, but really? It’s so difficult to make a metal box with a constant curve that everyone settled on 20rd mags instead?

>>64150540
Ever work in a factory before?

>>64148137 (OP)
I don't know OP, maybe you should explain what Stoner thought about 20rd mags and why so we can have some context and properly answer your question.

Please think a little before making a thread next time. Thanks!

>>64150652
No, never have.

>>64148208
I love that for you

>>64148137 (OP)
>>64148189
40 rounders with +6 basepl8s

>>64148208
>2016
Jesus you punks make me feel ancient.

>>64148137 (OP)
25 tbqh

>>64150540
The mag needed to be straight inside the magwell and then start curving after. It was also limited in wall thickness by virtue of the magwell.
I love ARs, but one thing the AK really had going for it early on were far more reliable magazines. Thanks to a simple constant curve and the ability to make them out of heavy duty steel.
AR 30 rounds USGI mags were shitty for far longer than they needed to be. It took into the 2000s for them to get anti-tilt. There's a reason guys in GWOT went nuts for Pmags.

>>64153302
Any amount that isn't a multiple of 10 is silly if you plan on loading a bunch of mags.

>>64153337
Don't tell the French and their 3 round burst FAMAS that, they love their 25 rounders

>>64153345
Your defense against something being silly is to cite the French?

>>64153360
No I like being silly, honk honk

>>64150540
As I understand it the DoD just never actually asked Colt to make them, the tooling for the 20 rounders was fairly expensive and they didn't have any pouches in the system that could carry them, so they considered it a waste of money. The future of the AR15 was not set in stone at this point and nobody was sure if it would even be used after the war.

No they're not hard to make, in fact they're painfully simple, that's why you can get $8 aluminum magazines now. AK steel mags have a much more complicated shape for example.

>>64148166
Holly hendrix told me dreads cock just hurt her pussy but was fine in her ass

>>64148137 (OP)
C'mon anon you can at least give some quotes here (or just say you want to discuss mags). I like 20s for walking around hiking while hunting. They're quieter than the 30s IMO, too. They're less awkward than the 30s. If I was using them for HD or war I'd probably go 30. But size:awkwardness ratio, 20s are great for being small, out of the way, and snag-free. Also damn, that straight magpul. Hard to find now from what I hear BTW.

>>64153302
I always wanted one and I'm afraid to look and see that Brownell's is probably OOS on those fuckers one day (probably right now).

>>64148208
If I was in your generation I'd want to kms too seeing how the women from your generation don't want you
>t. 33yo chad with 25yo gf

>>64148219
You're right, we don't. Have you considered we went through the same shit, though? Jfc, kids...

>>64150533
Impossible, I killed the guy who invented time travel. There's no way you're me from the future
>>64153537
Yes I have, but the thing is you're clearly not as retarded as I am

>>64153528
Honestly most zoomer/alpha chicks are unbearable. Genuinely I'm into cougars only because they can hold a convo worth half a shit

>>64153337
Is the FN LICC silly to you?
it's like a white man ngsw

>>64148204
It was because everyone saw the first decent modern rifle and decided to just use that

Now there is so much institutional inertia that the AR will never be supplanted, barring some random freak innovation in firearms that are totally incompatible with the pattern, or their obsolescence.

>>64150434
Why do you think it's called the M240?

>>64148204
Why innovate when money is the goal? You want as little risk as possible and to corner as much of the market as possible, competition is a joke if its next to impossible to get a leg in the rat race, you can coordinate with your contemporaries for more security in towing the bottom line of the shareholders

>>64148204
Big shakeups in firearms design came from breakthroughs that were inarguably superior- centerfire primers, and smokeless powder both spurred on innovation. Then industrial advancement in the 1900s-1940s gave us things like stamped guns and WW2 really pushed firearms design and production at insane scale. After WW2, that same stuff was tinkered with alongside intermediate cartridges.
We had all the major stuff figured out by the 60s. Innovation after that has either been incremental or innovation for innovation's sake.
The biggest gun shakeup since the 60s has probably been Glock popularizing simple striker pistols.
Otherwise trying to start from scratch is competing against a mountain of refined design. Until something so inarguably better comes along that makes current firearms tech look like a flintlock musket compared to a centerfire bolt action, we won't see jumps in guns.

I don't see the problem with 20s for ARs, the metal M16 mags are perfect match for SP1. Have 30s and 20s for my 180

20rd mags make it much easier to shoot prone

>>64150701
I figured. Factories aren't a place where you can snap your fingers and change a massive contract because you've suddenly thought of a better idea than what you were doing. Also, it means bringing in new equipment (every stamped component needs its own set of stamping dies which are incredibly expensive.

>>64153528
I dont want most women from my generation either. most of them are boring as fuck, can't cook, and have inflated egos.

>>64148137 (OP)
>20 rounds in a box
>20 rounds in a mag
simple fucking math. If they change this let me know and i'll start buying 30 rounders

>>64150750
God, BONE was so good. I pray Hollywood never sinks its claws into the IP.

>>64158279
the fact that they don't sell ammo in 30 round boxes is a travesty.

>>64155643
Nah use the 30 rounder as a monopod.

>>64158279
>>64158738
IIRC Aguila of all companies started selling 30rd boxes for this reason, to get to say "Look your mags are 30rds so are our boxes =D ...now please buy our ammo.". Other than that still 20rd (or 50rd) boxes, then ~100/150/250, 500, 1000, etc.

>>64158279
Buy three boxes and fill two mags.

>>64148141
Do you cum when your dad fists you?

>>64148174
>>64148167
>rotate to front
>sometimes stuck there waiting to be rotated for 2-3 months with no guarantee of resupply
gee I wonder why they take so much ammo

When the magazine is in line with the grip for the lowest point on the rifle its easier to shoot from a rest or table.

>>64148167
>There has never been a single situation where having less ammo would be good
There's reasons for a precision oriented AR to have 20 rounders. Easier in prone, and you'll inherently shoot slower, you also save some of the weight you gained by having a long/heavy barrel.

>>64159602
this is why 10 rounders are still sold.

>>64150482
xd

>>64148137 (OP)
Recently watched an interview with a Vietnam boomer that said the biggest advantage the NVA had on them were 30 round magazines for their AK's vs their 20 round CAR15 mags. Take that however you will.

>>64153337
>multiple of 10.

Desert tech would like to have a word with you. Their quad mag has a capacity of 53 - a prime number. I can’t tell you how much this bothers me.

Your post ID is prime.

>>64148208
Ahhhhahhhahahahahahaha nigga you still have like 20 amazing years ahead of you at 35 wtf are you talking about lmao.
Life is absolutely amazing if you don't make shitty life decisions (i.e. if you are fit, work in a field where money is good and hours are manageable, live a good life and marry a good woman)
Basically the more kids you have the better life gets, but this is a well guarded secret

>>64159333
He probably doesn't have a dad

>>64153528
We fuck your women all the time though.

>>64164036
I'm a GWOT zoomer and if interviewed I would say the biggest advantage the terries had on us was long range suppressive fire that our .22 peashooters couldn't match.

>>64166079
Their 5.45 and 7.62x39 AKs weren't providing that fire though. You want everyone to carry a 240?

>>64166088
Nope. We need to retvrn to battle rifle.

>>64153528
this is not a problem unique to zoomettes, it's all women, but at least zoomettes are still young and supple