Thread 64148857

"You can switch to a full size grip for the range and back to a compact grip for carry!" What kind of drooling 22 year old autist is this supposed to appeal to and why is every manufacturer trying to copy it now?

>>64148857 (OP)
I was just thinking earlier today that "le ebin modularity" is a meme and that you should just get 2 or 3 different pistols

>>64148857 (OP)
There's people who want to bitch about everything, like OP here who can't just be like "oh hey someone's trying to innovate cool."
No, instead he bumped a thread to let the world know he's an insufferable faggot.

>>64148977
Making guns into customizable funko pops invites masses of faggots who will then supplant you in dictating the gun market, all fields must be religiously gatekept

>>64148857 (OP)
I live in NJ and here it makes alot of sense with our government cucking us with pistol permits.
>Be from Dirty Jersey
>want to be has guns
>decide to get a handgun
>permits cost $25 and you need to get one every time you want to buy a handgun.

for us this makes alot of sense if you want tol be able to change up the ergos of the gun,

>>64148968
I would agree for the most part, but I think the RXM is special in this regard, because you can make two Glock models that never existed -

>g26l, g26 grip with a g19 slide and dustcover
>Gen 3 g45, g19 slide with a g17 grip.

Now of course Magpul needs to actually releases these grip modules, it's been almost a year now, but I would rather have those two than any other factory Glocks.

I do think gen5 is going to be modular in Glocks own way.

>>64148968
Just get the shortest frame you can get all four fingers on and only carry/train with that and don't worry about anything else.

>>64148977
How is something completely useless "cool"?

>>64149005
With a Glock gen 5 you can put any barrel length in any gun you want. You can put a 17L barrel in a 26.

>>64148857 (OP)
Back when the serial number/regulated part was on the frame, the people who shot so much that the frame cracked/broke would be forced to basically buy a new gun (not literally, but the frame by itself would cost about as much as buying a new gun). Now that the FCU is a separate part, once the frame breaks from use, it's easy and cheap to replace. I remember when Clint from Thunder Ranch (a famous instructor) showed his class his first handgun; it was a 1911 in which every single part on it has had to be replaced at one point (a ship of Theseus moment).

>>64148857 (OP)
Bullshit gun control laws in the US motivated this so you can buy one "firearm" but actually own multiple guns since the trigger group is serialized but the barrel, frame, and slide are not.

Sadly no one has figured out how to make it DA/SA so it's useless

>>64148977
You must be one of them then

>>64148857 (OP)
>>64148968
Because if it is the serialized part you can buy new frames without a 4473.

>>64149049
That would be great if the frame was doing any work in this kind of guns, but the reality is that all the frame is just a piece of plastic that holds the FCU, the rails the slide rides on are on the FCU, all the recoil forces are being transmitted to a smaller piece, so the piece that is likely to eventually crack is still the firearm

>>64148857 (OP)
The industry really needs to stop catering to ban states entirely. I shouldn't be subjected to a subpar product because some fag in gaytown voted away his rights.

>>64150024
Not to mention that there are other issues with the longevity of the FCU, a known problem is that the ejector is a non replaceable part of the FCU and is prone to getting bent, especially in reloads with extended mags and the slide locked back, SIG will bend it back for you but the will only do it once, mainly because bending that piece back and forth will eventually cause it to break of

>>64148857 (OP)
gun control laws & possible government contracts requiring FCUs

I think it's cool, and I think that it's the kind of innovation that the industry needs to start making a standard feature. Obviously, things could be done better, but it's potentially useful and more economical for most who would want more than one configurationmore than one configuration

>>64148857 (OP)
This. If you’re practicing with a carry gun then it needs to be in the configuration in which you carry it. The only way modularity could “help” you is if you want to switch it into a target configuration to fuck around with, but you still need to practice with and shoot it in the carry configuration so even then it’s really just for fun, not practice.
>people think this modularity is a good reason for the military to upgrade their pistols
Has to be the dumbest argument I’ve ever heard. Why does the army need a modular pistol? When does the army count on a pistol? Do they really need to often swap between different grip and barrel lengths? Owning a modular pistol barely makes sense as a civilian, less in the military, and if the military really needs two different pistol sizes/variants (they don’t) what’s stopping them from buying two pistols? Why do they need a pistol that an armorer can modify for them into a different model? Just issue them the pistol that they “need”.

>>64150250
>it’s cool
That’s the only reason for it. But what does the added complexity of making it modular get you? Is it going to be less drop safe? Is it going to fire itself when you holster it? But at least you can put a different grip length on it never instead of leaving it in the grip length that you like most which is what you will do.

>>64150024
>the piece that is likely to eventually crack is still the firearm
That is what the Army found out the hard way in 2019.

>>64148985
The handgun market is already plastic strikers out the wazoo, what's to lose?

>>64151375
The grip interchangeability argument for military and police makes no sense because if someone has small hands, then he needs a smaller diameter grip, not a shorter grip. If a 100 pound woman can't get good trigger reach on a G17, going to a G26 will not help her.

>>64148968
>you should just get 2 or 3 different pistols
yes. Correct post.

>>64148857 (OP)
why is every manufacturer trying to copy it now?
The West is desperate to catch up to what the Chinese came up with in the 90s

>>64149078
> Bullshit gun control laws in the US motivated this so you can buy one "firearm" but actually own multiple guns since the trigger group is serialized but the barrel, frame, and slide are not.


What laws you can buy and own multiple guns freely in the us

>>64152426
Right, which is why interchangeable backstraps are a thing while "just change the frame bro" not so much.

>>64150060
The irony is that it would be possible make a completely incomplete yet easy to build frame that could only non powered tools to assemble like an erector set

>>64150093
Chinks use a handgun with an Fcu and it works well for them yet they don’t employ gas station employees to build them and execute any worker who makes a low quality gun

>>64148968
I would like to see options for quick caliber conversions. Like 9mm/38 super/380/40 or 45acp/45 super/460 Roland. Like all with just a barrel and mag change and no messing with springs or anything. But I don't see the reason to mess around with frame sizes and the like.

>>64149002
If you want to live in a nigger infested cesspit AND have guns you should just hop across the river to Philly.

Just 3d print your frames.
Fixes everything.

>>64148857 (OP)
Would it look less retarded with a Hi-power style trigger?

>>64148857 (OP)
It makes sense with US gun laws. One background check for a lot of options.

>>64149029
Can I get some sauce for that because that sounds fucking hilarious.

>>64152577
You can, but if you only need to buy (and wait) for one part and can have the rest shipped to your door it makes it much easier to deal with state level bullshit.

>>64151375
>Just issue them the pistol that they “need”.
The pistol the military "needs" is the one that costs as much as a hipoint. The only questionable part of the P320 being selected is that they let people have ammo for them.

>>64152820
They redesigned the barrel lugs for gen 5 so that all different slide lengths now use the same the same basic barrel. You can put any barrel in any double stack 9 with the same or greater slide length.

>>64152426
And not to be impolite, but the 100 woman having trouble even holding the pistol is probably not going to be a great shot anyway so it's a waste to try and cater to her.
God imagine if all the money spent on pistol trials and fuckery had been put into range time for soldiers with the existing guns? Crazy idea.

>>64152577
Anon is talking about shithole states who have made up their own shitty gun laws

>>64148857 (OP)
because the us military issued a requirement in the last trials. since sigger's shit the bed, everyone else is copying the concept and trying to get on that gravy train.

>>64148857 (OP)
It's easier on the manufacturer and maybe for militaries. For consumers it doesn't matter since they can get multiple different guns, and it is only relevant on a large scale for legal purposes depending on the country. Even then the gun laws that necessitate this shouldn't even be a thing to begin with.

>>64153767
Feels like circular logic though. The military has never before cared about modular pistols and Sig has one and then suddenly the military cares about them just...because.
As other anons have pointed out, an FCU kind of makes sense to deal with certain shitty gun laws, but that's not a military concern. If the military really cares about different grip sizes it should just buy two diameters of pistol grip (single stack and double stack versions I guess) because to fit tiny womyn/onion hands as anons have mentioned grip diameter is the main factor. But doing that means the military would have to invest in different holsters and mags so that's a whole headache. So the whole issue becomes a mess that doesn't need to exist and can be solved by slamming a single pistol down on the table (not a Sig) and saying "deal with it faggots, you're all using M9A4s/Glock 19s/YC-9s/whateverthefuck, and if it doesn't fit in your hand fuck you." That's been their solution for all other weapon grip complaints.

Maybe it’s easier for companies to sell new/more frames than entire guns. Especially without FFL fuckery in the way.

>>64153193
Holy shit that's incredible.

>>64148968
How do you justify your stance when you see how nice it is that the AR is very modular and has tons of aftermarket.

>>64152820
This is the bizzaro world pistol version of a sawed off

>>64154555
Get 2 or 3 AR configurations, homo

>>64154555
>AR is very modular and has tons of aftermarket.
And yet we all still own multiple AR's despite being able to swap uppers by pushing 2 pins

>>64154579
Look the grip is the hardest part of a pistol to conceal is all I’m saying

>>64154635
Increasing the mass of the pistol with a long slide will help control recoil and compensate for the short grip.

>>64148857 (OP)
I like it for you can buy a cheaper polymer pistol now and later on toss it in a metal body like an Icarus or mischief machine.

>Be Steyr
>Win lawsuit against for FCU concept
>Make awesome handgun
>Provide zero aftermarket options for FCU

>>64148857 (OP)
It's nothing new
https://youtu.be/qKKchvFeE0E?si=OHET59rt_IhRngvI

>>64148985
We're in a fucking golden age of firearms with variety out the ass and even classics either coming back, getting more aftermarket support, and coming down in price all together, and you're fucking complaining because
>it's like heckin Funko pops personalized for YOU!
The AR has been the most customizable firearm with the most aftermarket support since the AWB ended.
You fucking pedantic little niggerfaggots would be bitching if they didn't make this, or didn't innovate.

>>64148857 (OP)
Fug it I have a contribution. The Wildcat came out and really has no reason to exist. They did what Steyr did >>64154693 minus the lawsuit and "awesome" part.
>Wow it's so cool and the base model is a whole ~$30 cheaper than a base model 10/22 but 70% more plastic
>We will attempt to hide the fact that it's made in Turkey in every picture we take of it
>It, like, cleans easier or something because muh button
(one to two screws plus safety and three pins that practically fall out was so fucking hard guize)
>And wow you can totally buy other guns to drop this FCU into =O
(I've yet to see any new first or 3rd party Wildcat compatible rifle for sale that does not include the serialized FCU FWIW)
>Still don't have a version that competes with the 10/22 charger
>Still don't have a "nice trigger" FCU available to compete with the BX trigger
>Only other price-related upside is that similar to the base model, threaded models are like $30 cheaper than the threaded 10/22 models
(ignore the fact that a silencer costs like $500 minimum with a tax stamp ATM and that $30 more gets you a rifle that has enough aftermarket support to ensure you can make it run on any ammo you want, even CCI 710s, given the availability of recoil spring kits)
>Still zero aftermarket and I have never seen parts available, ever, including stocks.
>Barrel goes straight into polymer receiver which has polymer rail
(I wonder if when it gets warm, the barrel shifts like in an AR-7?)
>Ugly as fuck
>Not even half a pound lighter than the 10/22

The way Springfield is handling the Echelon is driving me mad. They sell both full-size and compact grip modules, but no slides. So if you buy an Echelon, and want to convert it to another size, tough shit, you can only do it halfway. This guy on reddit said his experience with customer service was essentially:
>could you sell me a compact slide?
>no, we'd need a surplus of pistols before we start selling those
>do you have a surplus of full-size pistols?
>yes
>could you sell me a full-size slide?
>no
I really wish slides were available because the Echelon is pretty sweet otherwise. You just better be happy with whatever size you get first.

I never really understood what this chassis thing was supposed to be so good for.

>>64148857 (OP)
It is the perfect system for gov contracts and that is why people want it. SIG fumbled the bag and Glock never understood how to do anything, Beretta didn't get on the train early enough, and HK while actually doing it right, failed to have a real market due to cost