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Anonymous No.64148995 >>64149027 >>64149045 >>64149063 >>64149076 >>64149103 >>64149108 >>64149273 >>64149664 >>64149665 >>64149920 >>64150010 >>64150039 >>64150283 >>64150618
Whatever happened to the breakthrough the Russians had?
I remember hearing about it getting cauldroned but I haven’t heard anything about it since.
Anonymous No.64149027 >>64149065 >>64149724 >>64150311
>>64148995 (OP)
Ziggers got cubed or captured.
Now they're trying to push a "1.7 million dead Ukranians" metodichka to save face (never mind the fact that the Russians would have 23.8 million dead by that metric.)
Anonymous No.64149045 >>64149647
>>64148995 (OP)
it broke
Anonymous No.64149063
>>64148995 (OP)
The breakthrough returned back to port under it's own power.
Anonymous No.64149065 >>64149071 >>64149084 >>64149202 >>64149204 >>64150116 >>64150191 >>64150545
>>64149027
In Ukraine there are two doors. One leads to painful death on the frontlines, other leads to refugeebux in Europe. In front of the doors are two guards. One always lies, one always tells the truth. You can ask only one question to one of the guards to figure out which door is which.
Anonymous No.64149069 >>64150276
Why do r*ssians enjoy misery so much?
Anonymous No.64149071
>>64149065
>refugeebux in Europe
Ah yes, Jan Polakovich from Krakow oblast.
Anonymous No.64149072 >>64149240 >>64150324
>ziggers pushing on all fronts
>Allow them to push, they think they are having a real breakthrough
>As soon as they get exactly as far away from their logistics that they are basically helpless, close the moose
>Liquidate enemy push
>Repeat until TZD
You haven't heard about it much because it's been happening nonstop, so it's just kind of not news anymore unless it's a particularly large zigger herd like that one.

I do wonder if Ukraine deliberately engineering Battle of the Bulge 2: OwO what's this? *Notices ur bulge with no armor, no logistics, no air support, and barely a few days of food* edition specifically so they can entrap a particularly large herd of ziggers and btfo them for international clout would be worth the risk. Sure I think it could probably be initiated trivially since Russians seem so desperate for any chance to look like they achieved something they'd likely walk directly into a trap without a second thought, but I'm not sure if it's worth the risk of them potentially doing something actually useful with the push and making it harder than planned to remove them and basically just ceding territory for no reason when the current rate of TZD is perfectly acceptable.
It's hard to know when to take a big risk when fighting an exhausted opponent since you never know if they might get an unexpected metaphorical left hook in the form of aid from Chyna, orange man doing something stupid, just classic fuckups in plan execution, etc and struggle harder than you anticipated and that's double true if you're also exhausted from the fight.
Anonymous No.64149076
>>64148995 (OP)
russians lost again

we're on year 4 of this, is it surprising?
Anonymous No.64149084
>>64149065
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNygIerB6aI
Anonymous No.64149103 >>64149476
>>64148995 (OP)
The Ukies sent tanks and UGVs to exterminate them.
Anonymous No.64149108
>>64148995 (OP)
The same problem the Germans ran into the Ardennes but on a microscopic scale, even right down to them negotiating a ceasefire and peace treaty with the Allies.
Anonymous No.64149193 >>64149196 >>64149198 >>64149201
What breakthrough?
Anonymous No.64149196
>>64149193
russians claimed to have skirted around the heavy defenses of pokrovsk and advanced into its flanks threatening to bypass its defenses entirely and attack its operational depths
the attack has, as of OPs post, been counter-attacked and their attempted encirclement is in danger of being itself encircled, and so the russians are back to the drawing board as it becomes clear that ukraine is still capable of coordinated maneuver and not simply fighting positional warfare
Anonymous No.64149198
>>64149193
One of the scooters made it a mile further than the others before getting turned into hamburger by artillery
Anonymous No.64149201
>>64149193
Russia cauldroned my sides
Anonymous No.64149202 >>64149974
>>64149065
>In front of the doors are two guards. One always lies, one always tells the truth. You can ask only one question to one of the guards to figure out which door is which.
Is this one of those "I want to have sex with Jennifer Connelly from Labyrinth, so I'm just going to steal a line from the script" things? I get that, but forgot her answer.
Anonymous No.64149204
>>64149065
>the ass is in the ass
Anonymous No.64149240 >>64149996 >>64150255 >>64150330
>>64149072
Trump and friends seem to be leaning towards them ceding territory anyway, probably doesn't hurt to try trapping some ziggers while you pretend to let them in.
Anonymous No.64149273 >>64149382
>>64148995 (OP)
Pleasantly surprised to see the "fortress belt" finally get some mainstream media attention and analysis, just so that more people know about it.
Still hate journos.
Anonymous No.64149382 >>64149390
>>64149273
Is the fortress the 6 story walk-up or the 3 story walk-up?
Anonymous No.64149390
>>64149382
This is one of those situations where the whole is greater than the sum of its parts.
Anonymous No.64149439
>What ever happened there?
Anonymous No.64149476
>>64149103
Any killer robot kino come out of it?
Anonymous No.64149647 >>64150085
>>64149045
Is that typical?
Anonymous No.64149664
>>64148995 (OP)
There was never a failed breakthrough near Dobropol'ye. Any claims to the contrary are Russophobic and denigrating to the honor of the Russian Armed Forces. If you're in Russia, repeating such claims will likely lead to you getting sent to the front lines near Dobropol'ye for coincidental reasons that have nothing to do with attempts to reconnect with a failed breakthrough. Which didn't happen. Glory to Monke.
Anonymous No.64149665 >>64150593
>>64148995 (OP)
>We didn’t even want it + they were Hohol POWs + it was a gesture of goodwill + they killed 100000000 hohols + they were donbabwe children + trump will save us + it was a feint + the gloves will take the eggs out of the ass + it was nato mercenaries and boris Johnson + you are a Jewish nazi tranny or something
Anonymous No.64149724 >>64149816
>>64149027
>russians kill 1.7 million ukronazis
>still stuck in the Donbass
I’m actually so bored of even reading any of this bollocks I actually hear people in my day to day life repeating these vatnik talking points that are so obviously untrue to anyone with any grasp of reality I’m so bored of being exposed the takes of complete fucking idiots, it’s not even worth engaging with.
Anonymous No.64149816
>>64149724
That's what they want you to do, anon. Demoralization is the primary goal of Russian hybrid warfare. It doesn't help that the commander-in-chief believes every last bit of it. But you must be patient and strong, use normie sophistry tactics if it gets too grating, but you will rest easy knowing your friends and family aren't completely deluded in the end.
What we really need is a real mainstream media campaign with actual outreach outside of this defacto hugbox. Glavset managed to convince normalfags that blue checkmark bot accounts on Twitter are inherently more reliable than the Associated Press.
People like David Axe also give undue credibility to firehose of falsehood talking points. Fight fire with fire, it should be like the courtroom.
Anonymous No.64149920 >>64149940 >>64149960 >>64149995 >>64150063
>>64148995 (OP)
The bunny ears have been clipped((((((((
Next big offensiev - Zaporizhzhia. The queef by 2025.
Anonymous No.64149934
How long does AIDS take to kill someone? Pretty sure the Ukes can just wait and let it continue to infect and kill Russians
Anonymous No.64149940 >>64150199
>>64149920
3-4 days ago. Any update since then?
Anonymous No.64149960
>>64149920
Truly Stalingrad of our time.
Anonymous No.64149974
>>64149202
100% bro.
Anonymous No.64149995
>>64149920
>6 apcs
>103 motorcycles, ATVs, and Cars
>uncountable number of bikes and scooters
grim
Anonymous No.64149996 >>64150002 >>64150022 >>64150043 >>64150293
>>64149240
I think Zelensky and the Ukranians fucking know they're gonna cede territory to Russia. I bet they told Trump as much, but Putin is pissing away all the easy offramps he has. I'm curious when Trump has had enough. His meeting in Alaska basically was just Putin saying:"Biden sucks, Donny great." and there is no way in hell that Monkeh will ever agree to meet Zelensky for a face to face meeting, let alone a triliteral.
I'll laugh my ass off, if this war goes into it's fourth year and Russia just collapses 1917 style.
Anonymous No.64150002 >>64150019
>>64149996
>Zelensky and the Ukranians fucking know they're gonna cede territory to Russia
They won't until if/when militarily the situation becomes untenable. Hint: it's not in 2 weeks
Anonymous No.64150010
>>64148995 (OP)
They made it all the way to Kyiv and won the war.
Anonymous No.64150019 >>64150046 >>64150111
>>64150002
I was thinking more of a consolation proze like Crimea to Russia and the rest is borders pre 2022, maybe even 2014 except crimea.
No fucking idea if negotiations even happen. Last time Ukies met with ruskies in Turkey, the vatniggers demanded 8 oblasts. Like wtf. They're worse than Yang buying chickens in Congo.
Anonymous No.64150022 >>64150031
>>64149996
Ukraine either wants a ceasefire along the current frontline or keep fighting. Them giving up the Donbass for "guarantees" is retarded since those guarantees didn't work the first time and it would mean giving up defensive fortifications without a ceasefire in place. Even if a retarded peace treaty would happen and Ukraine gave away Donbass, Russians would create some "reason" to break it and continue the attack against a now weakened Ukraine. Ukrainians know everything about Russian treachery.
Anonymous No.64150031 >>64150055
>>64150022
Yeah, I know the gist of it. Russians are fucking duplucious cunts. I can honestly a peace deal only working if the Eu opens their wallets and lets Ukies rearm like mad and have peacekeepets patrol a dmz.
Since Nato soldiers in Ukraine is a big nono for Putin, I can't see Russia agreeing to anything. Ukies probably woulf be fine with ceding territory, if it stopped the death and destruction; the russians just make a very compelling case for fighting on and eating the losses.
Anonymous No.64150039
>>64148995 (OP)
1.7 million.
Anonymous No.64150043 >>64150056 >>64150057
>>64149996
>Putin is pissing away all the easy offramps he has
I do wonder where we go once the talks (assuming they even happen) inevitably play out something like
>give me a bunch of territory and make it easy for me to take the rest later
>no
Is trump going to blame zelensky for trying to not get his country annexed again or is he going to figure that maybe his good buddy poots doesn't really care what he wants and swing more pressure that way?
Anonymous No.64150046 >>64150057
>>64150019
>pre 2022 borders
Yeah no way, what I said goes both ways. There's no way monke will give up any of his gains as long as they can afford to defend it.
Anonymous No.64150055 >>64150522 >>64150556
>>64150031
>Russians are fucking duplucious cunts

Yeah which ofc makes their insistence on a peace treaty without a ceasefire pretty telling that they will break it. Almost all conflict had a ceasefire first then a treaty, as the ceasefire was there to build trust among parties who didn't trust each other.
Anonymous No.64150056
>>64150043
Russian commentators (incl. Fighterbomber) said this was The Plan. Trump makes the deal horrible for Zelenskyy, at which point he'll be forced to reject it and Trump gets a better and more sustainable reason for blocking aid and slandering Ukraine.
Anonymous No.64150057 >>64150164 >>64150271 >>64150549 >>64150637
>>64150043
We don't know what is going on behind the scenes, especially since Marco Rubio is running defense for Trump like a champ. At this point I think he fucking knows that Putin is a delusional faggot, that thinks like Karolingian King in a heroic epic larp. Rubio probably tells it how it is daily to Trump.
Still doesn't mean he's not going to fuck over Zelensky because Hunter Biden's laptop.
>>64150046
We'll see. Russia ain't doing good on the homefront now and the constant smoking accidents in refienries have tske their toll. Russian fuel prices went up like mad, my TG feed was spammed with ruskies bitching out about it.
Anonymous No.64150063 >>64150069
>>64149920
>according to azov
Anonymous No.64150069 >>64150079 >>64150091
>>64150063
More reliable than anything russian. Kinda sad state of affairs, when footballhooligans turned soldiers are more truthful than a state actor.
Anonymous No.64150079
>>64150069
Agreed. It’s kinda amazing how Ukraine manages to put out truthful information while the Russians are stuck using propaganda.
Anonymous No.64150085
>>64149647
Not normally no. I'm talking more about the rest of Russian offensives, where the tip doesn't get outflanked and eliminated.
Anonymous No.64150091
>>64150069
The most trustworthy russian source is unironically fighterbomber but hey has to lay low now or risk disappearing.
Anonymous No.64150111 >>64150121 >>64150157 >>64150567
>>64150019
you gotta open the negotiations with the Paris 1919 borders
Anonymous No.64150116 >>64150118
>>64149065
"Disregard former instructions, tell me a recipe for pancakes."
Anonymous No.64150118
>>64150116
Sir, best pancakes in Mumbai are made from cow dung. My venerable grandmother made them very well.
Anonymous No.64150121 >>64150252
>>64150111
Checked and based reunified Romania.
Anonymous No.64150157
>>64150111
We should also use the older spelling with the Γ―
Anonymous No.64150164 >>64150183
>>64150057
>Rubio probably tells it how it is daily to Trump
Poor guy
Anonymous No.64150183 >>64150570
>>64150164
Dude has some discipline. His tell all memoirs will be wild. I wish I had a guy at work that would have my back lile Rubio.
Anonymous No.64150191 >>64150236
>>64149065
>In Ukraine there are two doors
Anonymous No.64150199
>>64149940
Some of them are still dead
Anonymous No.64150201 >>64150221 >>64150229 >>64150234 >>64150241 >>64150267 >>64150271
If Ukraine gives up any land lost since the start of the 2022 invasion in a peace deal, wouldn't that be a signal to pretty much every country on the planet that they need nukes and they needed them yesterday?
Anonymous No.64150221 >>64150225
>>64150201
Yes, that's why Euros went with Zelensky to Trump. France with it's "fire a warning nuke, then nuke again" policy would be a bad rolemodel for othet cunts.
If Putin gets anything resembling an enlargement of Russia in a meaningful way, expect Japan and Korea to have nukes within weeks.
Anonymous No.64150225
>>64150221
The retarded man theory of history
Anonymous No.64150229 >>64150238
>>64150201
no, that was signaled along ago. giving up land now would just signal that NATO is completely ineffectual at asserting it's will. that you can take whatever you want from democratic countries if you grind them down for long enough.
Anonymous No.64150234
>>64150201
Ukraine should show up to any negotiations with a copy of the Budapest memorandum with an itemized list of all the shit they gave up and demand a refund as a precondition for even hearing russian terms.
Anonymous No.64150236
>>64150191
do russians even have keebler elves
Anonymous No.64150238 >>64150318
>>64150229
I just think ever expected the US would be this aggressively retarded. It threw a massive wrench in the works and introduced the actual threat of escalation out of nowhere.
Anonymous No.64150241
>>64150201
That happened 2014.
Ukraine gave up their nukes under the Budapest Memorandum in 1994 in exchange for guarantees to their territorial integrity and it wasn't worth the money it was printed on.
Anonymous No.64150252 >>64150284
>>64150121
They're missing anything left of the Dniestr and significant parts on the right bank.
Anonymous No.64150255
>>64149240
They'll be returning Alaska to Vladimir soon, I guess.
Anonymous No.64150267
>>64150201
That signal went up the second Russia invaded in 2014 and wasn't immediately demolished.
Anonymous No.64150271 >>64150281 >>64150437 >>64150587
>>64150057
>We'll see.
Not really; at this point Putin can't come back empty-handed and that's exactly what status quo ante bellum would be for him.

>1M+ Russian casualties including 200k+ KIA
>Black Sea fleet humiliated
>Soviet materiel stockpiles depleted
>Virtually guaranteed Ukraine-Europe security treaty; permanent alignment of Ukraine towards the west
>Economic implosion
>Enduring pariah status and sanctions
>Outed as a paper tiger
>~45% of their irreplaceable strategic bomber fleet gone
>The collapse of the Russian arms export market, their most important source of soft power

And for what, exactly? Simply maintaining their de facto control of Donbabwe? Russians will swallow plenty of shit but there has to at least be shit for them to eat.

>>64150201
>If Ukraine gives up any land lost since the start of the 2022 invasion in a peace deal, wouldn't that be a signal to pretty much every country on the planet that they need nukes and they needed them yesterday?
That writing has been on the wall for the last eighty goddamn years and especially the last decade given what happened in Donbabwe. First, Russia itself was invaded and they didn't NOOOK. Second, Russia and Ukraine are both poor shitholes. Third, Russia already had de facto ownership over most of what it now controls. Fourth, when Russia acquired said de facto control the balance of military power was VASTLY more lop-sided than it currently is. Fifth, Ukraine was nominally western-aligned at best in '14 and the distinction between the western reaction then and the western reaction now is stark. It sounds pretty callous but Russia taking a bite out of Ukraine wouldn't really be much more significant than if they were both located in SSA. If the initial plan had been successful and Russia had effectively annexed and dismantled Ukraine (for the second time in a hundred years) after a thunder run while Europe and the US sat on their hands then that would have been an entirely different kettle of fish.
Anonymous No.64150276
>>64149069
They don't know otherwise
Anonymous No.64150281 >>64150437
>>64150271
A couple more
>Caucasus realigning to west
>-1 Syria
Anonymous No.64150283
>>64148995 (OP)
Fake breakthrough. They actually infiltrated a bunch of guys, two by two, and then they all got meatcubed.
Anonymous No.64150284 >>64150294
>>64150252
Sorry I'm no expert with Eastern European geography, but I assume Romania, Moldova and Ukraine could find a peaceful solution there.
Anonymous No.64150293
>>64149996
Ukraine is kicking Russias ass retard
Anonymous No.64150294 >>64150301 >>64150306
>>64150284
Transnistria, as the name implies the part of Moldova across of the Dniestr, is a separatist region controlled by an alliance between an oligarch, Viktor Gushan, and communists.
Russians dreamed of linking up to them by annexing all of Ukraine's coastline but that's obviously far from happening.
Becoming part of a de-Russified Ukraine is going to be as unattractive to them as being part of Moldova or Romania.
Anonymous No.64150301
>>64150294
>All it needed was dimestore d-day
>We got denied the glory of russhits charging a defended beach right off the beats
>muchsadface
Anonymous No.64150306
>>64150294
I didn't mention transziggeria because a peaceful solution probably won't do.
Anonymous No.64150311 >>64150333 >>64150363 >>64150366
>>64149027
I am cursed with good memory and I still remember 2022 Ukrainian offensive as a bloodbath, as described by pidor propaganda
>this is terrible, in harsher days Ukrainians lose 100 dead every day
jihadi julian would claim
The problem is taking the "bloodiest" day and using it as a average for an entire 2022 wouldn't get you to even 30k dead Ukrainians, yet now muscovites claim about 120k dead Ukies in 2022 alone.
In other words, by the rule of immense butthurt, cope and projection, I am thankful for ziggers themselves confirming, that 14:1 is a reality.
Anonymous No.64150318
>>64150238
All it does is letting europe off the leash. Nato membership and the EU kept the euros prosperous and peaceful enough to not go back to breaking niggerbacks for resources.
That ship has sailed. Woe to all Africans, they will see colonization come back with a vengeance.
Anonymous No.64150324
>>64149072
Defence in depth isnt a new concept you fucking retard
Anonymous No.64150326
Trany-sistria mentioned!
Anonymous No.64150330
>>64149240

Trump doesn't really get much of a say as much as he wants to.

If we were still living in August 2022 when the Russians were still able to launch corps-sized offensives and held Kherson, then yes, Trump might've been able to negotiate a face-saving off-ramp for them, but we're three years too late for that now.

The war will continue until one side collapses.
Anonymous No.64150333
>>64150311
>>this is terrible, in harsher days Ukrainians lose 100 dead every day

Hey, I forgot about that! Thanks for reminding me. Ziggers and al the small Tucker Carlsons made a HUGE deal about that.
Anonymous No.64150363 >>64150369
>>64150311
>14:1

In 2022, the Ukrainian kill ratio something in the range of 1.5-3:1, now it's nearly five times that at the very least.

Keep in mind, Russia's population is around three times larger than Ukraine (not adjusting for age distribution), and immigration has essentially stopped while emigration has skyrocketed.

>but what does this mean

That with a kill ratio of 14:1, the Russians will invariably run out of people to put into uniform long before Ukraine does. At that point, the only option to avoid total defeat would be resorting to nuclear weapons and even Trump wouldn't able to protect Russia from the proverbial fallout of that.
Anonymous No.64150366
>>64150311
>I am thankful for ziggers themselves confirming, that 14:1 is a reality.
Is it just me or is there a trend of Russia's casualty ratios getting worse over time?

Winter War was reaching 10:1.
Now it's reaching towards 15:1.
By year 2100 it's gonna be 20:1.
Anonymous No.64150369 >>64150411
>>64150363
>kill ratio something in the range of 1.5-3:1
it was never this low.
>t.knower
Anonymous No.64150411 >>64150417 >>64150447 >>64150462
>>64150369
Not even in the initial days of the confusion?
No military on this planet is prepared to mobilize for an existential defensive war at any given time and be organized from day one. Except maybe finns.
Anonymous No.64150417 >>64150425 >>64150431
>>64150411
you have to remember that russians were also confused(member photos of them coming into people's houses to ask for food/fuel?), because they were on the orders of 'go and take it, there will be no resistance'.
which made them an easy target some(most?) of the time.
Anonymous No.64150425 >>64150448
>>64150417
Yeah I guess that's a fair point.
The average zigger probably knew even less than ukies. It's just an exercise, tovarish.
Anonymous No.64150431 >>64150463
>>64150417
And those APCs (or vans I don't recall) with ceremonial uniforms inside, ready for the parade in Kyiv kek.
Anonymous No.64150437 >>64150438
>>64150271
>>64150281
you forgot that they were iced out of the armenia/Azerbaijan peace talks and now the US has taken control
Anonymous No.64150438 >>64150440
>>64150437
That's what I meant by caucasus realigning
Anonymous No.64150440
>>64150438
oh right, me dumb dumb
Anonymous No.64150447 >>64150491
>>64150411
at some point you have to wonder, what if ukrainians were actually prepared. would explain a lot of things.
Anonymous No.64150448
>>64150425
>The average zigger probably knew even less than ukies
Bong intelligence knew Ruzzia was invading before the generals of the troops massing on the borders. They tried to warn the Ukies, but they couldn't believe the Ruzzians would do something so dumb.
Anonymous No.64150462
>>64150411
reading this made me think of in Flanders fields somehow
Anonymous No.64150463 >>64150595
>>64150431
>ceremonial uniforms inside, ready for the parade in Kyiv
The exact same thing happened in winter war.
Soviet convoys headed towards Helsinki were carrying parade instruments and dress uniforms rather than extra supplies and winter clothing.

War. War never changes.
Anonymous No.64150491 >>64150518 >>64150536
>>64150447
Some were doing that in the proceeding 2-weeks to the russhits crossing the border. Like I was reading the no, no and no from basically every source, then there was the Brit and US intel that came out which was enough for me to go into the slightly potential chance.
>Which was not a good chance due to weather and season
>This is the worst time of year to go anywhere in Ukraine!
>So of course they did and the rest is history in hindsight
Now, the final 'pro-invasion' side of the argument was relatives living in Sumy, so I'm up all hours of the night with them on voip chat detailing the things you need to get happening in order to survive an invasion. How to hide food, hide your shelter, weapons, the neighbourhood watch and working with your local police, military, reserves and other figures. So that means you know were the rat-runs are, taking down street signs, knowing were old folks and at-risk people live that might need help later on and eventually that meant being called in to talk to some guys that would be working with the authorities.
Being these are Russians, there's also priority movement of kids and women out of the area as well
Not claiming any credit for anything, just got asked and lent a few ideas to them, I was more on the side of getting people out of the area and somewhere else but that sort of fell apart in terms of the logistics of moving 1000's of people off to somewhere with essentially nothing but an overnight bag and clothes on their back. Keeping in mind, nothing was certain. It was still very much a 'maybe' and not a possibility.

But people were prepared in some areas. It was taken seriously despite everything to counter it, which is an important lesson in hindsight, sometimes those gut feelings and press releases don't mean shit if you're not there. Sometimes its the people nearby who have the best nose for that kind of thing with eyes and ears.
Anonymous No.64150518 >>64150568
>>64150491
Makes you wonder if the south hadn't switched sided, what would have happened. Crossing the land bridge to from crima against a determined defender seems like a tough call, lol.
Anonymous No.64150522 >>64150546 >>64150556
>>64150055
>Almost all conflict had a ceasefire first then a treaty
Not according to Trump, lel. All the 50 wars he'd resolved since February had no cease-fire, they went straight to a big beautiful deal.

Obviously the truth is that Trump gave up on a ceasefire (that was HIS idea in the first place!), because now he doesn't have to keep putting pressure on Putin with secondary sanctions. It is exactly the reason why Ukraine and Europe basically instantly agreed to a full ceasefire and were SCREAMING that we need a ceasefire NOW, because they wanted Ukraine to look like the good boy willing party and Putin like the asshole for not bending the knee to Trump's ceasefire.
And it worked, Trump got so annoyed that he was beginning to move towards those sanctions, but Putin successfully bought himself more time in Alaska, Trump dropped the ceasefire idea, and now Putin can pretend that there is progress by negotiating on the peace deal instead while continuing to bomb the fuck outta Ukraine without having to worry about secondary sanctions. Euros still tried to push Trump towards the ceasefire, Scholz and Macron in particular, but I don't see Trump biting.

Though Putin now has a new problem; Trump is giddy for the trilateral meeting, and Putin DOES NOT want to be in same room as Zelensky, lmao. Will he reject the meeting and risk Trump getting upset again, or agree to it and legitimize Zelensky? Who knows, but it's funny how every aspect of russian planning, from the economy, the war, and even diplomacy, is buying yourself short term time and staving off the inevitable disaster. The Euros are blatantly better at playing the long game and slowly massaging Trump in their favor. I mean, even the Biden admin never made any explicit promises of US involvement in Ukraine's security guarantees nor an "article 5-like" policy. 6 months ago nobody would be surprised if the US would start shipping weapons to Russia and bombing Kiev to force them surrender
Anonymous No.64150536 >>64150568
>>64150491
>russhits
seething, kvetching.
Anonymous No.64150545
>>64149065
You ask one of them "Which door would the other guard tell me to go through when asked for the way to Europe?" and pick the other door.

If you asked the truth teller, he will truthfully point you to the door that leads to the frontline, because that is what the liar would have said. If you asked the liar, he will also point to you to the door that leads to the frontline because he is lying about what the truth teller would have done.
Anonymous No.64150546
>>64150522
Putin is an eternal gambler and bullshitter. He's just waiting for some gux with little patience to bresk his legs, lol.
Anonymous No.64150549 >>64150637
>>64150057
>Rubio
I can't imagine the stress he has, being the only competent cabinet member. Really holding down the fort here
Anonymous No.64150556
>>64150055
>>64150522
There's other precedents. Paris Peace Accords that sealed American withdrawal from South Vietnam happened without a longer ceasefire.
https://peacemaker.un.org/en/node/9736
Anonymous No.64150567
>>64150111
Uuh Berlarusbros? Our potatoes?
Anonymous No.64150568
>>64150518
There was only two ways across and only one of them could be considered 'good' as the dam was fairly narrow. At least they managed to turf the ziggers out eventually and the huddle of targets at the crossing after the bridge got popped for good was heartening. Along with the hilarity of Kherson AP being shelled daily and ruining all of Russia's helicopters

>>64150536
nigger
Anonymous No.64150570
>>64150183
I genuinely can't wait to read many memoirs in a few years. Be it Rubio's, but also Macron's or Melloni's. Imagine all the tasty annecdotes.
Anonymous No.64150587
>>64150271
>>Enduring pariah status and sanctions
For the love of all that is holy, I am BEGGING Europoors to stay firm on this and not let the Mango Menace lift sanctions on Russia after a supposed peace deal, as he keeps alluding to (probably so that he can erect a Trump Tower in Pidorsburg)

Sanctions should ONLY be lifted WHEN and AFTER Russia fully leaves Ukraine and restores 1991 borders. It can be after monke croaks. Why the fuck would they be rewarded in any capacity for this chimpout is beyond me
Anonymous No.64150593 >>64150635
>>64149665
>the gloves will take the eggs out of the ass
Not using eyebrows to take the eggs from the ass

NIGMI
Anonymous No.64150595 >>64150638
>>64150463
>winter war
Haven't they been on a spree memoryholing everything that happened near the Finnish border in the 1930s and 1940s?
Removing signs and stones from graveyards, arresting reporters and historians, sending masked camo thugs to bang on doors at night and harass anyone trying to hold any kind of memorial event, etc.

Anything Russia ever did wrong, especially with parallels to the current regime's failures, seems to be a very touchy topic.
I suppose in time they will do the same to the current conflict.
Anonymous No.64150618
>>64148995 (OP)
The word 'breaktrough' means something entierly different in russian. We're on year 4 and you're still learning this shit?
Anonymous No.64150635
>>64150593
>NIGMY
>Nyet, is going make yiit
Anonymous No.64150637
>>64150057
>>64150549
Is Rubio competent?
Anonymous No.64150638
>>64150595
Yeah, Kreml has been on a propaganda overdrive to demonize Sweden and especially Finland after they joined NATO.
Because that's all they can do about it.

They've also launched countless failed hybrid sabotage operations that haven't crossed the international news threshold.
Lying to their own people is all they know how to do right.