Thread 64149510

ITT: The worst war movie(s) you’ve ever seen

there's some absolutely terrible low budget war movies out there that i zoned out after about three minutes

>>64149544
You are wrong, completely wrong

>>64149541
Every fat retarded vaping SPC tried to emulate that haircut

>>64149580
that's hilarious because it doesn't even look good on Pitt

>>64149580
I'm retarded but not fat

>>64149573
nothing happens and then george clooney shows up. thats the movie

>>64149544
Man, fuck you

>>64149510 (OP)
well im 5 minutes in and this is easily the worst looking war movie ive ever seen

>>64149510 (OP)
niche and bad

>>64149510 (OP)
>>64149791
>t. Bong

>>64149510 (OP)
Expectations were dandelion high and I was still disappointed

>>64149798
>based on 1000 true stories
Wat

>>64149649
>An empathetic exploration of the individual philosophies of soldiers trying to understand the nature of killing, death and suffering through narration and visual storytelling
>Durrrr nothing happens

>>64149795
Really? I liked it, The Irish put up a damn good fight

>>64149798
This shit was so boring I fell asleep halfway through

>>64149803
I liked it, it was a mess but as a journalism student it was super neat

>>64149942
this whole movie is based off one newspaper interview and smells like so much complete bullshit
>yeah man, there was like, thousands of them and they were shelling us and bombing us with airplanes and we killed like hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of them
>then we surrendered with zero fatalities

>>64149958
Yeah it was probably bullshit but the movie was good

Breaker Morant

>>64149547
This was a Mack truck full of monkey feces movie, and I hate it.

>>64149958
>>64149795
The fact is that even if we factually know that nigger soldiers can't shoot and manoeuvre for shit it still is quite ridiculous that they were put in such a bad position that they had to surrender but claim that they inflicted catastrophic casualties.
They probably had some exchanges of fire with some casualties on the enemy side and when they saw that there was no relive force or ceasefire they just pussied out.
The we fought thousands of niggs led by French mercenaries with mortars and planes is just cope puffing up the enemy.
Just this year we had 300 Romanian mercs surrender when they got e circled by several thousand militias because they knew they would be ransomed, same shit.
If you want to see actual insane African operations just look at Rhodesia.

>>64149803

This really was a wasted premise. There was so much more they could have done with it.

>psychological thriller with glowniggers from the competing sides and foreign agents waging a hidden war in the backdrop of the kinetic one
>drama about a soldier torn whether to follow his oath or his heart, or a family just trying to survive the privations of war
>tragedy of two star-crossed lovers caught between the opposing sides
>pseudo-comedy about a couple of hapless apolitical retards on a road trip

Not to mention they just blatantly cop out by refusing to have any factions with an IRL parallel. If anything, they should have gone in the opposite direction, have all the factions be obscene caricatures of their real life counterparts and completely morally bankrupt.

>>64150094
A 12 part mini series would have accomplished so much more if they were able to blend the movie plot with other plots and storylines. The lore would have been so much richer, they wouldnt even have to remove the journalist plotline that they focused on in the movie

The 800, a Chink movie about the battle of the Shanghai warehouse. It's very bad, sometime enough that it becomes good (a bunch of guys hug the flag on top of the warehouse roof to support it while getting gunned down by Jap fighters, and more keep piling on to replace the dead in some hilarious display of needless symbolic sacrifice), and also has a couple genuinely okay moments. Chinese critics kvetched about it because being about pre-commie takeover China, it didn't have some overarching subplot about the poor oppressed working classes.
>>64150094
>pseudo-comedy about a couple of hapless apolitical retards on a road trip
This would have been absolutely peak. Two bongs on holiday caught in the middle of the US self-imploding and just deciding "fuck it, we ball" and continuing to get their worth out of their trip.

>>64150133
So, Simon Pegg and Nick Frost?

>>64150142
Essentially, yes. Or any combo of Stephen Fry, Hugh Laurie, and Rowan Atkinson.

>>64150133
>This would have been absolutely peak. Two bongs on holiday caught in the middle of the US self-imploding and just deciding "fuck it, we ball" and continuing to get their worth out of their trip.

Yeah, something like a combination of Lord Miles' Afghanistan adventures and Dumb and Dumber.

Does this bullshit even count? Because it was bullshit.

>>64150173
Expected call of duty zombies and got considerably less. Still, I didnt hate it

>>64149541
I didn't even watch the whole thing, I'm just pissed they finally had real fucking tanks, proper CGI for shots, and were so close to making something really good. But they just wasted all of it.

>>64150173
If you want ww2 horror fan fiction watch Frankensteins army.
How has no one mentioned this pack of lies yet?
Good action but a load of bullshit

>>64149544
You're right but all the posters here who wank over inane monologue and a woefully inappropriate conflict setting for the message will hate you for it

>>64150206
>Character kills some stretcher bearers on a ridge
>"I just killed someone, worse thing you can do. Worse than rape"
"HEY QUEEN! QUEEN! I SPOTTED THREE OR FOUR JAPS COMIN OVER THAT GRASSY RIDGE!…I GOT ME ONE OF EM!"

Some simpleton wanting to be congratulated for killing some unaware, unarmed casualty collection unit is a powerful microcosm of the absurd nature of war. Calling it inane monologue is missing the point.

>>64150230
Bizarre how you think my comment on the inane monologue had anything to do with a scene that wasn't inane monologuing but the TRL defenders here rarely argue with coherence.

>>64149544
Movie was so fucking boring

>>64150230
maybe if that was some vichy or krauts or some other enemy that wasn't literally tricking medics to collect them and blow themselves up I'd be more likely to sob over it, but a bunch of hicks navelgazing about "killing bad" in the pacific theater of WWII less than a year after pearl is certainly a move

>>64150247
Seriously. If you want some GIs to wax philosophy in a jungle about the absurdity and wastefulness of war and why they're there, you have a conflict tailor made for it. TRL is a 'Nam flick made a decade too late and accidentally wandered onto a WWII production set.

>>64150230
There is no such thing as a noncombatant in the Imperial Japanese military

>>64149791

I've seen this film like 10 years ago my main memory of it is

>its grim being a conscript
>its grim being a conscript
>low budget CGI sea harrier attack
>lots of shooting in the dark outside Stanley.

It seemed a waste since the stories Argentinian conscripts tell are universally insane. Horacio Benitez (who was at Mount William) had a guy who tried desert in the middle of the battle with the scots guards only to have a white prosperous grenade land at his feet turning him into a human candle. The other conscripts and marines told him "fuck off you are lighting up our position"

>>64149544
This

>>64149541
>>64149795
Not actually that bad
You really might as well complain about BOB being insufficiently realistic

>>64149510 (OP)
9 company or something like that
Russian slop

>>64150263

It's weird how incredibly fucking violent the Falklands War given how short it lasted and resulted in a cumulative total of less than 1,000 deaths

>>64149573
>>64149651
>t. I don't understand half the pretentious gobbledygook they mumble so it must be literary
Longfellow could shit better prose than that in his sleep
Whoever came up with that bullshit, Siegfried Sassoon they ain't

>>64150295
TRL is obvious bait for people with dedicated midwitslop mini-bookshelves prominently displayed in their living rooms. Sounds deep, looks pretty, isn't actually that cerebral. We got another heaping dose of that from Terry M with Tree of Life, but for some reason he got shit on for that one but managed to get away with TRL for some reason.

>>64150316
Damn, mangled that post because 4am brain. Oh well.

>>64149938
>An empathetic exploration of the individual philosophies of soldiers trying to understand the nature of killing, death and suffering through narration and visual storytelling
You couldn't tell a mixed metaphor if it fucked you in the ass like a nuclear bomb

>>64150247
>>64150258

the twilight zone episodes set in the pacific do a good job of being philosophical about the war especially The Purple Testament and A Quality of Mercy. Maybe they just have the ring of truth since Rod Serling was at the Siege of Manilla and was basically working through his PTSD.

>>64149541
yup

>>64149541
that awful cgi
and
im no wheraboo
but
in one of the opening scenes a row of shermans advances over an open field in broad daylight against a forrest with multiple, entrenched, camoflaged AT gun positions.
and the tanks dont get insta-obliterated.
bullshit.

>>64149547
the problem is the main actor.
he sucks in every movie.

>>64150287

Near peer expeditionary warfare do be like that.

Most of the deaths were from the naval war. It was the first war with modern AShMs, nuclear submarines and landing ships in littoral killboxes. Once they got ashore it was a real infantryman's war which was why so many battles ended bayonet to bayonet. The boggy ground also made HE way less effective since shells would burrow into the wet peat and explode with very little effect so the British started using WP and cluster bombs while the Argentinians used canisters of napalm against infantry.

>>64150263
not quite the same, but on the British side, apparently one particular FV101 Scorpion was drawing a lot of Argentinian fire so it was asked to shove off

>>64150287
nowhere near as violent as it could have been

the worst single loss of life the British suffered was when one Argentinian bomb wiped out a company of infantrymen as they were landing on a beach
losing just one warship, any kind, with all hands would have tripled that casualty count easily
half the Argentinian KIAs were from the Belgrano alone, and that in turn exceeded the total British KIA

besides being the only Cold War war with significant air and naval combat, the Falklands is also notable because it's arguably the most "proper" and "gentlemanly" war in history, adhering the most to the rules of the Geneva Conventions

>Terrible CGI
>star wars lasers
>historical revisionism
>BLACKED romance
>the 'show him a little trick I learned' scene
>character gets hit by 30mm shells and doesn't become a pile of gore
>cartoonish dialogue
>over the top evil Germans
Red Tails is not only the worst war movie I've seen, but the worst one period.

>>64150451
frankly disrespectful to the actual nigger pilots

>>64149547
Yes. Bomb disposal chaps are the most boring, meticulous, and diligent men on Earth. This is not a career for the unstable creative types.

Nothing but glorified nazi killing porn.

Surprised this hasn't been posted yet.

>>64150445
>the Falklands is also notable because it's arguably the most "proper" and "gentlemanly" war in history, adhering the most to the rules of the Geneva Conventions
Which is weird when you observe how the Argies play football

>>64150488
>American nuke is called Fat Man
if Argies had nukes they would call it The Hand Of God

>>64150478
Some anon once posted, every tortino trite is basically a nonsensical Goodfellas rip off. All of his cast are written like the main characters of Goodfellas, except in more cartoonish ways and scenarios. Seeing that post and watching Goodfellas ruined his films for me. Everyone in his movies sounds and acts like an amoral gangster circa 196X, no matter how inappropriate it is.

>>64150445
>one particular FV101 Scorpion was drawing a lot of Argentinian fire so it was asked to shove off

Afaik their entire point was as a distraction from the main assault. I do know a Blues and Royals Sampson recovery CVRT somehow fell off a bridge and flipped upside down outside stanley leading to much mockery from the Scimitars that had to flip it back over.

>>64150279
i usually like russian films in general, but they fuck up hard trying to ape hollywood melodrama. company 9 could have been improved 30% by removing the soundtrack alone
>>64149510 (OP)
couldnt sit through half an hour of this insulting pile of wank

War makes for a better movie setting than it does as a subject.
Pseudo-history is always the worst, having both the greatest capacity for dishonesty, political projection, properganda, offensive stereotype. I would go as far as to say that the only reason to write a pseudo-history is as a vehicle for lies and properganda.

>>64150094
>>pseudo-comedy about a couple of hapless apolitical retards on a road trip
They briefly 'join' different competing sides of the civil war based on misunderstanding the issues/politics involved. They get into the least coordinated slap fight ever filmed before they separately realize the two factions aren't what they thought they were, reconcile, and go back to being apolitical.

Fury, inglorious bastards, black hawk down, hurt locker.
Oh, American sniper. Hands fucking down. Scores across the board.

Recent conflict, living memory, living subject, glorifies war crimes, trivializes civilian casualty, misrepresents a coalition campaign, american/jewish worldview, is entirely fabricated with large sections of the movie being entirely made up. Unfairly demonizes Muslims when there are so many ways to fairly demonize them.

>>64150239
>the TRL defenders here rarely argue with coherence.
That's because deep down they know Carson Daly was a shitty choice to host.

>>64150517
>their entire point was as a distraction from the main assault
well at first it was complained that the cavalry - traditionally nobility, but far from it by the 80s - were only there to take a stab at the glory, but by the end of the campaign their contribution was acknowledged
when you're at the point that the infantry are using their M72 LAWs as bunker busters, you can see how forty rounds of 76mm HE is obviously very handy

the Argentinians also used their Oerlikon AA guns as infantry support guns

>>64150543
>Unfairly
lol

>>64150478
It feels like Tarantino was torn between directing a proper neo-noir thriller about a Jewish girl getting her revenge at all costs, and a dirty dozen type of '60s action homage and decided to shove them together clumsily. They did try to humanise them ebil nazis, but such nuance is really incompatible with the totally unapologetic nature of the action aspect.

>>64149541
This

or

>>64149547
This

>>64149997
I'm Afrikaans and that movie was pure kangaroofag revisionist history
>hurr durr we got orders to commit war crimes because they were war criming us first
No orders were ever issued, plus if they were they would have been illegal. Boer Kommando units never executed British POWs either
>germany was going to enter the war on the side of the boer so we had to...uh...execute POWs
Germany was never going to declare war on Britain, they were quite content sitting on the sidelines and selling guns
>that old pastor was secretly a german spy working for the boers that's why he had to get murdered
Yeah no, they killed him because he was a witness.

If they wanted to make a movie which showed Australians in a good light, they should've depicted Breaker Morant as this reputationally good but PTSD-riddled Officer who killed the POWs in a grief-stricken rage over his friend who was KIA in a patrol earlier that month. That's what actually happened if you read the actual reports. While the British were burning down thousands of farms and imprisoning boer women and children in concentration camps, the Australians could've depicted themselves in a good light by bringing the rogue Morant to justice and having him turn to god and repent before his execution.

>>64150483
While I agree and that it was an ahistorical snorefest with too much shitty and poorly acted romance, the over the top Japanese planning and take off scenes and theme were fucking kino. Made 11 old me think the IJN were cool as fuck.

>>64150243
Yeah I fell asleep and didn't bother re-watching it. I wouldn't say it was cringe like Fury or Butthurt Locker though, just dull.

>>64150573
>proper neo-noir thriller about a Jewish girl getting her revenge at all costs
>a dirty dozen type of '60s action homage
and
>What If Hitler Died?!
and
>decided to shove them together clumsily

>They did try to humanise them ebil nazis, but such nuance is really incompatible with the totally unapologetic nature of the action aspect
actually that's the only part of the movie that's at all worthwhile, and makes sense, both historically and dramatically
the Nazis were both competent and ruthless
for example, at Stalingrad: "look, they have teenage schoolgirls manning the AA guns. shame" *divebombs*
or in Warsaw: "13yo girl? too young, shoot her. 14yo girl? off to soldier's brothel, rape to death"

dramatically, Christoph Waltz stole the show, in part because for some time now Hollywood has forgotten that villains need to be competent for the movie to work. Hans Landa actually busts the plot completely, and to a certain extent, wins.

>>64150590
>and makes sense, both historically and dramatically
Not in that film, however. What you refer to is much different from the spectacular B-movie inspired stuff Tarantino was clearly trying to channel, hence why it doesn't work. Again, if Inglorious Basterds wasn't struck with an identity crisis, then it wouldn't be an issue.

>>64149547
This and it isn’t even close. The absolute only thing they got right was when he went back to the states and had to go shopping and seemed entirely annoyed at having to pick from a million choices in cereal. I think what pissed me off was that there was potential for it to be a solid movie. I’ve come to expect operational knowledge from Hollywood to be shit. But the fact that they could have had a solid mystery movie about an EOD team trying to thwart some genius IED maker with an actually good plot is irritating as fuck to me. The acting was shit too.

>>64150657
you say it didn't work, but the movie, and specifically the image of the competently and unapologetically ruthless Nazi, put Christoph Waltz on the map, and kinda typecast him a bit

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mqISX2o0a4A

>Inglorious Basterds
>has an identity crisis
that much I agree

>>64149803
The entire movie was carried by a 5 minute scene and still sucked

Every Russian war movie. Jingoistic bullshit, always the exact same plot and characters

>>64149544
Fucking sucked, slowest movie I've ever seen

>>64150144
>Stephen Fry, Hugh Laurie, and Rowan Atkinson.
Blackadder fan I assume

>>64149956
>but as a journalism student
what kind of journalist?

>>64149958
>>64150049
>>64149965
I didn't know much about this battle, but I looked out on wiki and apparently according to different sources the Katangese deaths could be anything between 300 and 3... yeah, that doesn't sound fishy at all...

>>64150451
>>BLACKED romance
What else do you expect from kikes in Hollywood

>>64150478
And don't forget the mandatory Tarantino nigger fetish. He couldn't leave that out, not even from a movie in the 40s

>>64150142
>Pegg
>Frost
are not apolitical, they're quite blue
this has come round to bite them in the ass now because of their "ugh, gay" joke in Shaun Of The Dead

>>64150149
>>64150133
you fellas know Death Of Stalin?
well, he did one called In The Loop about the decision to invade Iraq
at one point 2 bongs - one of them the Twelfth Doctor - do in fact roadtrip to America
it's pretty funny, regardless of one's stance on Iraq

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MLIP0ZtoiO4

>>64150573
Tarantino isn't fit to direct anything but interracial snuff films, it's why all of his movies are the same

>>64150689
was it an oversight this dude had a civvie AR and no unit markings on his uniform?

>>64150753
>civvie AR
ain't no such thing, to the lib mind

>>64150478
When tarantino isn't making gay revenge porn for jews he can into filmmaking, too bad he almost never makes anything else

>>64150753
The implication is that this guy and his buds were just some random psychos that were playing dressup and wasting whoever they felt like. I think in one shot the uniform being worn by glasses dude's friend in the background has bullet holes in it.

>>64150671
The heroes (or anti-heroes, perhaps) are what I was referring to in terms of being unapologetic. We're intended to be fully on board with this entourage of Nazi killers and cheer for their dramatic displays of vengeful violence, complete with Hitler pissing and shitting about "DIE BÄR JUDEN", and then trying to show a semblance of tact towards the foes you just caved in the skulls of is very thematically muddled. And I agree, to be a ruthless, and excellent Jew-hunter of the SS (or Nazi hunter of the OSS), you can't go around having any moral quandaries about the people you're about to kill in gratuitous ways. It's almost a better film than Death Proof but Death Proof was actually focused on what it wanted to be (a reason to have Tarantino flirt with a bunch of attractive women in the first 15 minutes of the film). To get back on track with bad war films, I put foward Unsere Mutter, Unsere Vater/Generation War, because it pretends to be a proper depiction of the war its audience's (Germans) families would have been directly involved in from their perspective, but falls into the trap of presenting it through a contemporary German lens, which presents a conflicting narrative in which the nazis were bad, but germans were mostly good and led astray, but they supported something that's bad, and we can't have our protagonists be bad because then nobody will watch it. All of this on top of typical amateur war movie tropes and cringe.

>>64150774
I'm mean, they did get the non-existant trigger-discipline down, tbf, in that case. I just thought it was Hollywood being Hollywood though.

>>64150778
>trying to show a semblance of tact towards the foes you just caved in the skulls of is very thematically muddled
they didn't do anything like that at all
the whole movie was just
>lol shoot all the Nazis lmao

>>64150798
Pretty much just a WWII movie for US leftists

>>64150805
possibly the most unintentionally funny part is the bunch of critics trying to think of some kind of subtle commentary the movie might be making about gratuitous video-gameified violence etc when you and I both know that Tarantino did it entirely because
>lol lmao

>>64150828
I never think about those people. Cosmopolitan types are the last people I give space in my brain to

>>64149510 (OP)
I'm shocked it's taken this long for this hunk of shit to be posted. What a horrific bastardization, I don't even like All Quiet that much but I still feel offended on Remarque's behalf and find it wild the made for TV 70s film runs circles around it

>>64150841
Yeah we're talking about it over here too >>64150723

>>64149544
I do not understand why people fawn over this masturbatory schlock so hard. O remember it was called "the thinking man's Saving Private Ryan" when it was in theaters and when I saw it with that in mind I left pissed off.

>>64150841
I can have an autistic meltdown over that shit heap, but I don't want to today

>>64150859
virtually all reviews are bought

>>64150885
Go ahead anon have it

>>64149541
Haven't even seen it but even prior to its release knew it was going to be bad and sure enough, from everyone I knew that saw it (whether they liked it or not) and reading reviews, yup just as my gut feeling anticipated

>>64150483
another example of CGIslop demolishing all of cinema (not just war films)

>>64150908
>yup just as my gut feeling anticipated
I can tolerate that movie if I'm incredibly stoned.

>>64150478
I didn't last 8 minutes (and am an open minded film buff, not a big Tarantino fan but knowledgable of his schtick)
Read some reviews of it online, the ones praising it as a 'masterpiece' had all these weird intersectional postmodern excuses and academic filmcrit whinging about its 'innovation' and 'tribute'/nods/referencing to particular earlier films and genres/filmmakers (which I'm familiar with but...) mostly European and avante garde, even though the whole film and a bunch of Tarantino's more recent stuff is directly inspired by the 1970s kitsch B-movie subgenres, in this particular case one same-titled Italian picture.
The "success" and praise for this movie across the establishment and corporate mass media, I can only interpret is emblematic of the Emperor's Clothes that is present-day Hollywood. Totally utterly meaningless and attempting-to-justify-its-existence, just by pouring tens of millions of dollars into re-hashed low grade kitsch from decades ago. That's it, that's all

>>64149544
Maybe one day they will release the orginal 5 hour cut. Apparently it's a slightly better.

>>64150944
>orginal 5 hour cut
Or I could watch Saving Private Ryan twice and not hate myself when 5 hours has passed

>>64150885
Agreed, it's too early to get that angry

>>64150747
>Death Of Stalin
>In The Loop
both worthwhile, nothing profound but entertaining

>>64150173
Somehow, I was retarded and went into it thinking it was an actual war movie.

I probably would have enjoyed it a lot more if I had known that it was a SciFi original-ish horror-ish movie. Because I like that kind of slop.

>>64149510 (OP)
that indian topgun ripoff featuring their shitty plane

>>64149956
Civil war is an insult to war journalism. The whole point should be giving context to the violence which is something the journalists fail to establish. It glorifies a type of centrist journalism that self censors itself to avoid saying any inconvenient truth

>>64149956
Go watch Only The Dead
That's some inspiration journalism work, and it's real

>>64150747
>in the loop
Absolutely nothing compared to The Thick of It
You have to understand at least a little about bong politics but it's absolutely gold, especially the first season

>>64151474
>in the loop
>Absolutely nothing compared to The Thick of It
oh I like both, but In The Loop is the one that is more directly on topic

>>64149541
Such a wankfest, awful cast of 'le traumatised talk soliders and 'le war is hell look how shocking everything is!'
It really rubs your nose in it from the start then carries on doing it.
And that final scene is legendarily bad.

>>64149795
I liked it, I especially likes the nod that the head of the UN was shot down and didn't 'just crash'.
End of the day, a decently shot cold War era film of white men holding out against hordes of Africans and being the hero's for doing it is a winning mix.

>>64151504
Yeah I know, I just can't see In the Loop or Veep mentioned without shilling the dry farcical gold that is The Thick of it

>>64149795
>>64151683
Jadotville has more realistic firefight scenes (such as it is) than the average Hollywood war blockbuster so haters can suck it

>>64150198
Chris Kyle being a massive liar aside, it was just a shitty war film, I cant remember anything from it outside that drill killing/sniper scene that never really happened.
More GWOT hero worship shite.

>>64150841
As an adaption of the book its dreadful, as a WW1 film its pretty good as long as you don't look to closely. I felt throughly depressed after watching it as mission accomplished.

>>64151668
>And that final scene is legendarily bad.
Worst ending I've seen in any film ever. Easily.

>>64150049
>even if we factually know that nigger soldiers can't shoot and manoeuvre for shit
Explain how the US Army works then. Retard.

>muh Rhodesia
Ahh, you're one of those losers.

>>64151773
Divorced from the racism of the comment, Rhodesia did, indeed, fight a COIN war effectively, proactively, and only lost due to the diplomatic isolation and wavering faith of the population. Although part of the field was already won for them because it took the rebels about ten years to be capable of giving the BSAP some grief and regularly pissed off their own recruiting grounds in the tribal reserves.

>>64151773
>Explain how the US Army works then
teaching them the white man's way

>>64150582
>the over the top Japanese planning and take off scenes and theme were fucking kino
that they were
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YHwYD5fFLR4
>six Zeroes in line abreast
>ostensibly on a fucking carrier
not at all accurate, but very very kino

>>64150263
post link to more stories

>>64151773
Combat units are 90%+ white dudes.
SF is almost entirely white dudes.

When a population has a mean IQ of 85 and the army isn't exactly a desirable career path it's difficult to get competent negros to sign up because they are few in number to begin with. For comparison white Americans have a mean IQ of 104-105 and actually score better on the math and science portions of the PISA examinations than the Asians who counter to stereotypes score better in the reading portion of the exam. Mean IQ of spics is 86, though they have less problems with low time preference than blacks. Thus you basically have to rely on born and bred rural white killers if you want trigger pullers and door kickers. To be an actual soldier you need skills like being able to drive properly, maintain equipment properly, or read a fucking map and navigate overland. These seem easy to you because you are white, but let me assure you that to 80% of the species it's basically magic.

Putting darkies front and center in war movies in general is retarded and an entirely political conceit either by leftists who want to fuck over whitey any way they can or by centrists masquerading as rightists(ie GOP) who want a unified nation without racial tension. For example the total number of black combat deaths in WW2 was 708 out of 405,000 total. The one time the centrists tried to integrate blacks, spics, and yes retards(thanks McNamara) into the army to keep numbers up they suffered disproportionately large casualties. Not that I really care except for the expense of shipping them over and the bodies back.

>>64150543
>black hawk down
DELET

>>64150524
The old escape from sobibor was pretty bad too

>>64152122
>but let me assure you that to 80% of the species it's basically magic.
We're apparently also the only ones capable of swimming

>>64150543
What problem do you have with Black Hawk Down?

>>64151699
Didn’t he also beat the shit out of his wife?

>>64152683
Cant remember that one, though I think he spent more time away on deployment than with her

>>64152683
>>64152709
I don't think he was a woman beater, but it is incredibly apparent that he didn't give a shit about his family. Once you have a family, your duty is to THEM. He was a despicable piece of shit for choosing deployment after deployment to a retarded and pointless war that in no way secured any additional safety for the American people. I think that fucker deserved death, but my sympathies go to the family who had a completely absent and negligent "man" of the house.

>>64150133
Yeah the 800 was hilariously bad. I am surprised that it was made in modern china since it depicted KMT soldiers.

>>64150451
>>64150735
Wasn't it also with an Italian too; the most racist Europeans

>>64150478
tarantino is a douche, if the douchiness he injects into his movies ruins it in one product, it's going to ruin it in all of them. but his action scenes are always on point imo

>>64150279
I enjoyed 9th Company

>>64153002
unless it's outright seditious, Beijing's policy of economic liberalisation is to let companies do whatever until it starts looking like a political problem, and only then cut them down

Jack Ma for example they let run riot until he made the fatal error of criticising state monetary policy. then they fucked him up

similarly, they let the insanely popular palace dramas run on until people started comparing the imperial dynasties with the CCP, then they banned the most popular series overnight and increased oversight on all the others.

>I am surprised that it was made in modern china since it depicted KMT soldiers
that's alright, anti-Jap sentiment is plusgood

>>64150582
Minus the romance bs, the build up to the attack was great and once it happens it feels awesome

>>64149547

This is what happens when you combine government propaganda money with a woman director

>>64149544
One of the best war movies ever made(Better than Saving Private Ryan). /k/ will seethe.

>>64151331
God, I can see all the shitty jump cuts in my head

>>64153077
Yeah, the anti-nip sentiment is a greater benefit in their eyes for sure, I'm just surprised they didn't make them up into some wu long red dragon commie unit or something. Tbh, I wouldn't be surprised with the 800 if it came out in the early 00's, but not in the late 10s.

>>64153090
I liked saving private Ryan when I was a kid but watching it again recently it just bleeds Jewish propaganda profusely. Im surprised that child fucking kike didn't squeeze in a "concentration camp liberation" scene.

Also I liked tigerland.

>>64150769
The best/only actually good film he ever made was Jackie Brown because he was able to rely on the writing of someone who could actually write. Pulp fiction and reservoir dogs were entertaining but not good, absolutely everything else is unenjoyable trash.

>>64150451

My favorite part was the inclusion of hip hop, effectively destroying any historical immersion they could have tried to get. We watched this piece of shit on deployment and even the black sailors called the movie a fucking embarrassment to black history

>>64153105
>>64153090
Thin Red Line and SPR are both goy-slop that only half-heartedly try to portray combat and military operations.
We Were Soldiers is by far the better war movie, what with it's DIVISION LEVEL AIRBORNE ASSAULT, it's cohesive battle order and a competent, tenacious enemy.

This is my favorite movie of all time, but at the same time it's not a good war movie. It's almost not even a war movie...

>>64150774
would've been neat if actual soldiers showed up at some point and saw through their act

>>64153173
We were soldiers was really good. It's a shame it isn't really widely acknowledged.

>>64153187
Its a fantastic movie, but yeah as you said it's really a retelling of the Heart of Darkness using the Vietnam war movie as a backdrop. Its one of my favorites as well, but in terms of vietnam war movies, I really like Platoon.

>>64149541
Most pointlessly, obnoxiously edgy war film I’ve ever watched. Hated it.

>>64153187

The first time I watched this, I watched the director's cut. It reduces the "war" part down to maybe a quarter of the film

>>64153216
Yeah it always reminds me of alfred Hitchcock stuff for some reason

>>64153173
>We Were Soldiers
That's the movie I keep meaning to watch
Thanks for reminding me

>>64150963
Kek

>>64150478
God, I hate Tarantino

>>64150543
What do you mean, “Black Hawk Down”?!

>>64153196
Best ‘nam film.

>entire thread is average/good movies with "here's why its akthually bad" seething
Experience true shit

>>64153090
>Saving Private Ryan

I can’t enjoy that jewshit propaganda anymore.

>>64149510 (OP)
Important to know: I am autistic and AKs are my special interest. I absolutely love em.
This movie was so fucking corny I almost couldn't finish it. I watched the subtitled version so idk if there's a dub and if it's better or not (probably would be worse like all dubs).
1/10 wouldn't watch again.

>>64153255
I've seen clips of the dub and it's hilariously bad. They make the guys sound super american.

>>64153252
Its not that bad if you skip every scene with Mellish in it.

>>64153105
>Im surprised that child fucking kike didn't squeeze in a "concentration camp liberation" scene.

The closest concentration camp to Normandy would have been Drancy near Paris and it had already been almost completely emptied out by the time it was liberated in August, 1944. Only ~1,500 prisoners were left out of 70,000+ who were transferred to Auschwitz.

>>64153002
they don't have a problem portraying "good" chinese people not as gommies
they'll just have segments on how they're gommies deep down inside, that just haven't been recruited yet

>>64153434
Hm, that's true. It does seem like the trope with incompetent KMT generals, but rogue, sympathetic and competent junior officers and men.

>>64150478
Tarantino hate is justified, but that's literally the point of the movie.
The Germans are watching an Allied killing porn inside your Nazi killing porn. It's supposed to mirror your expectation of the movie.
Yeah it's Jewish revenge porn with a BLACKED romance but he had the Germans hooting and hollering at the sniper massacring Allied troops as if holding a mirror to the audience, then the heroes literally use film (as in the nitrocellulose reels) to kill the nazis. Tarantino was not subtle with this shit.

>>64149510 (OP)
this shit was so bad it was to good i mean 99 of ''good'' parts was segal handling a weapon like a retard and being fat fuck who cant even sprint short distances without a heart attack

>>64153609
This is more like it

>>64149544
If I remember right, this felt like it really wanted to be a Vietnam movie set in the Pacific in WWII. Lots of bitching about the war and not much for history or action.

>>64153609
Please watch this
https://youtu.be/Itr_7Sxgpuw?si=xCb4Ena3DHBrK16m

>>64153240
I don't appreciate the Big Black Hawk, in the film. Typical Hollywood.

>>64153196
>>64153226
reminds me of WARNO desu

>>64153255
Russian military movies are completely unwatchable

>>64153187
well yeah the final cut is garbage, same with redux. watch the theatrical version

>>64152093


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mO2vHrSlwTU

This gives equal air time to British and Argentine veterans. Most of it is pretty heavy about losing friends etc. but there is a lot of interesting testimony from Argentine soldiers and airmen including the white phosphorous story.

A more farcical story is about the spy trawler Narwal. 2 Sea Harriers coming off a scrubbed bombing mission spotted it violating the exclusion zone and trying to shadow the fleet. They attacked from low level despite their bombs being fused for delivery from 10,000ft and wouldn't arm in time. In one of the most luckiest hits of all time (up there with hitting Bismarck's rudder) one of the slick 1000lb bombs landed in the engine room striking the motorman-engineer and slamming into the engine disabling it all without arming. They then strafed it with 30mm cannon.

A helicopter with marines captured the Narwal. Most of the crew were middle aged argentine fishermen who had been shanghai'd and put under the command of a single Argentinian naval intelligence officer Captain Juan Carlos Gonzalez who was in civilian clothing. Aboard HMS Invincible the fishermen were largely unperturbed by their capture but Captain Gonzalez was agitated and worried about being captured out of uniform. Captain J.J. Black sent Invincible's Roman Catholic chaplain to reassure him but when Gonzalez saw the padre with his bible he thought he was going to be given the last rites before being shot as a spy.

>>64153864
The first viewing for me was Redux and now the movie is permanently ruined for me. I'm still pissed about that a decade plus later.

>>64149544
ya, not great flick

>>64149510 (OP)
Red dawn
Dont get me wrong I loved the aesthetic and it will forever be in my heart, but a lot of the writing sucked and the ending was weird

>>64149510 (OP)
>>64149541
>>64149544
>>64149795

>>64153948
Fury is actual coal though.

>>64149803
>>64149956
>>64150094
>>64150689
It's always interesting to me how many people reveal they've lived VERY sheltered lives when they talk about this film.

>>64150753
No it wasn't an oversight. If you've ever been to a warzone in the third world you'll have recognised guys like this, paramilitaries settling scores.
The whole movie was far more about taking war journalist experiences from round the globe and then placing them in an American setting that it was about telling a cohesive story that made sense within the American setting, and it feels like almost nobody got that.
The randomness of it felt 100% accurate to me.

>>64153984
>The whole movie was far more about taking war journalist experiences from round the globe and then placing them in an American setting that it was about telling a cohesive story that made sense within the American setting, and it feels like almost nobody got that.
that sounds really retarded. Why would you have a movie in an American setting, where nothing that happens makes sense within an American setting?

Reminder that this actually exists.

>>64153864
I've seen redux and theatrical, what's the final cut?

>>64154083
its slightly better than redux but still inferior to theatrical. playboy bunny scene got cut essentially, which is a good decision but theres still lots of pacing issues

>>64150841
If it had been called anything other than All Quiet on the Western Front it would have been fine.

Good WWI movie, shit adaptation.

>>64153187
fun fact: thats not even martin sheen sticking his head out of the water. they had to do a number of reshoots and martin wasnt available so they used his brother joe estevez. he also does most of the narration that they added in post production.

>>64154073
>based on true events
>the battle that never happened
Wat

>>64154068
Because the writer and director are diversity hires doing what a commitee tells them to do.

>>64154443
The more you look at the poster the worse it gets. And you have yet to watch the movie.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_vaHwB32zA

>>64149541
Once you learn that the book Death Traps was utilized as a historical source for this film, a lot of the weird shit in it starts to make more sense. The final battle, for example, is lifted straight out of an excerpt from the book where the writer talks about a story he heard from someone else where the last survivor of a tank crew held off a German force with the .50 on his tank.

For those who don't know, Death Traps is a memoir written by an armor recovery officer in WWII (basically the guy who would go out and retrieve damaged tanks), and his accounts helped fuel a lot of the anti-Sherman pro-German tank sentiments.

>>64154073

I cannot convey my surprise at finding out this isn't Russian.

>>64149795
>Look at people who hate it
>Rhodesia fags
>shrimple as
I'm not shocked their fee fees got hurt for no reason

>>64153434
>>64153459
the thing is we WERE oppressed ever since the Qing dynasty, my grandmum used to tell me about HER grandmum telling her about what an evil bitch the Empress Cixi was
that's precisely why so many of us left in the late 19th century

so a bit of grassroots republicanism isn't necessarily an indicator of anything
you'd have to be a bit familiar with chink culture to tell the difference between commie propaganda and bog standard life is suffering

this

terrible

why watch?

the longest movie

>>64150483
Roger Ebert described it as being a film about how one day in 1941, the Japanese launched a surprise attack on an American love triangle.

>>64153277
This is because Russian movie dubs are frequently done in Russia, with whatever native English speakers they can scrounge up, and with terrible voice direction. Same thing happens with China, have a look at how they have American troops voiced in their Korean War movies. The yanks sound EXTREMELY American, but in a way that also sounds absolutely hideous.

>>64154878
>>64154881
>>64154882
>>64154883
Fuck off fag. Though I will say that Battle Of The Bulge's use of post-war tanks is atrocious.

this came up as a recommendation on Prime and it was free. I made it 3 minutes. CGI worse than a ps3 game, and Nick Cage is crying at a picture of his character's wife that's on regular ass paper someone clearly just grabbed off the old inkjet

can i get some good war movies? i loved we were soldiers except for the parts about the women

>>64155053
>>64150723

>>64154820
The issue is that the best of the blood of the place either ran off to America, where shouldn't be but since you are higher quality outcasts who know your place I guess you don't deserve death for your impertinence. Or they joined up with the KMT and various warlords who eventually fled to Taiwan. The remainder are for the most part chattel who love the sound of their own chains rattling. Maybe there are some Northern chinks who have decent steppe blood in them but I wouldn't think they are too numerous. If you look at the PISA data before the Chink government kicked them out or restricted them to tiny Tier 1 city sample sets you'll see it is roughly equivalent with Vietnam. So rather than the mean IQ of 102 the CCP claims their people possess its probably closer to 92, it would be just like the commies to simply add 10 to the actual number.

Not that matters to you. The sad thing is that China, though always a shithole was at least an interesting shithole with a unique culture not derived from Greece/Rome/Egypt and therefore had is own cultural merits distinct from ours.

All the chinks with balls either up and left in the 1880s or joined up with various warlords/KMT seeking gold glory and girls and fought the japs. Meanwhile the cowards/slaves were left for the commies to slowly recruit from and expend on their endless retreats and only won because we stupidly told them KMT not to kill the commies because our leaders were jews/soviet plants. China exists on Taiwan and in random Chinatowns more than fucking China now.

>>64155053
Idk if its already been mentioned but das boot is pretty good

>>64150841
I don't mind it. The 30s movie is great, the 70's movie is alright. I don't need a third adaption on top of the book itself. I think a both being super faithful to the original and changing a lot but keeping the main themes and message are valid forms of adaptation. The issues arise when they change a few things for seemingly no reason or abandon the message and tone of the original.

>>64155093
Yeah pretty much
>China exists on Taiwan and in random Chinatowns more than fucking China now
....sigh. pretty much.

>All the chinks with balls either up and left in the 1880s or joined up with various warlords/KMT seeking gold glory and girls and fought the japs.
Lol there is no "or"
20th century Chinese military accomplishments is just plain sad. Not a single one worth mentioning.
>Maybe there are some Northern chinks who have decent steppe blood in them but I wouldn't think they are too numerous
The problem is too much steppe blood. The "Chinese culture" spoken of in books and so on died with the Song dynasty.
It's like talking unironically about "SPQR pride" about Italians today, or "Alexander's Immortals spirit" about today's Macedonians. Was it a huge part of their history and culture? Yes. Is it at all anything like the culture of the people from that place today? Lol not even 500 years ago. Mainlanders aren't Chinese any more than Greeks are Spartans. Remember, while the Beatles were singing Strawberry Fields, GIs were charging up Khe Sanh, and American college kids were saying "make love not war with the Commies", Mao was slaughtering the intelligentsia and erasing all chinese identity. The CCP are not "chinese" until Beijing officially apologises for that.

So yeah. We're the "Jews of Asia" in part because we've been totally displaced, have no more homeland, and we cling to traditions and values that pre-date Jesus.

>>64154651
Tactical advantages of airdropping your troops on a fast moving battleship armed to the teeth with AA with 2000 seamen onboard?

>>64154569
Middle aged white men are diversity hires now? /pol/ are such retards it's amazing. They can't even aspire to midwit status.

>>64154068
The idea is to take something unfamiliar and strange and put it into familiar setting to create juxtaposition. The entire movie is Kafkaesque on the surface, but then you're meant to realise that these strange and fantastical happenings is the reality of people's lives somewhere else in the world. You're also meant to consider the idea that what happens elsewhere might happen in America and that people aren't that different, that it could happen here.
God it's really like talking to fucking children. Imagine getting filtered by Civil War, Jesus Christ.

>>64154049
i just noticed he takes a backpack from the guy at 0:12 but at 0:02 you can see the guy has no backpack

>>64155175
They're Serbian seamen.

>>64154902
kek

>>64154902

Fun fact, the love triangle was added at the insistence of the studio execs, much to the directors' annoyance (they wanted it a purely war film in the same vein as Tora Tora Tora)

>>64155360
For half the fucking movie?

>>64150774
In the shots preceding it, they're seen covering a mass grave in lime
They're not US military

>>64152709
>I think he spent more time away on deployment than with her
Isn't that the norm for SOF? Per one former Green Beret on YT, who seems less full of shit than most, he spent about 9 months of the year away from his family, split between deployments, schools, military exercises etc

>>64155236
>>64154569
>>64154068
>>64149803
Im convinced that anyone who calls this movie shit is a mouth breathing retard

>>64149544
Low IQ post

>>64149510 (OP)
Tomorrow When The War Began
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KaX0F8GojI
no gunz get invaded by the chicoms

>>64150279
9th Company was actually half decent and it was a film you literally couldn't make in Russia today
The bent barrel scene alone would probably result in someone being defenestrated

>>64155515
It's the kind of movie where you can see what they were going for and it's an interesting idea, but the whole thing ends up kinda 'meh' and forgettable

>>64155537
I just think the discourse was ruined by politics brained morons.

I get what garland was going for when he set the movie in the US but that fact alone would always completely fuck up any discussion of the movie.

I've read several memoirs from journalists who went to various clusterfuck warzones like the Balkans and I was impressed at how garland accurately conveys the absolute chaos and confusion that happens in war. It's basically an adaptation of My war gone by, I miss it so.

>>64155515
>>64155556
The bizarre thing about it is, is that it actually promotes what people might consider right wing tropes. No everybody is not nice underneath. Yes, at base, man is a predator and if he has needs he will hunt for them. Yes, you can be that prey. Yes, you do need to be armed. Yes, everything around you can collapse in weeks or days, so you need to prepare for that.

>>64154228
Was final cut after redux?

>>64155236
>Kafkaesque
>people aren't that different
>it could happen here
sounds like midwit slop. Figuring out how a civil war in America would actually go down would be way more interesting than this garbage.

>>64155618
It's ok to admit you didn't get it.

>>64155618
>Dumb the explanation down extremely to make it understandable to midwits
>"That sounds like midwit slop"
You are very clever.

>>64150469
>Infamous Chinese rocket EOD encounter greentext.jpg

>>64155625
I get it, I just think it's shit
>>64155629
>this movie isn't midwit slop, I'm just incapable of explaining it in a way that doesn't make it sound like midwit slop
lol. This is a SNL skit crossed with your typical "war is... le bad!" flick, and you know it.

>>64155569
Also how people were shrieking that the rebel states were portrayed as the good guys but the entire last third of the movie was them mercilessly slaughtering surrendering people and then posing with the presidents corpse like it was a game trophy

>>64155650
The civil war being set in America doesn't matter for the intents and purposes of the movie.

It's about the chaos inherent in civil war, and how bottom feeder adrenaline junkie journalists will callously exploit wars for their own gain

>>64150689
He wasn't even meant to be in the film. He just showed up on set and they rolled with it.

>>64155650
You are just a politics brained moron trying to shit on something he really doesn't understand and he can't even explain why he thinks it's bad without memes and non sequitar appeals to designated hate groups (SNL)

>>64155672
>how bottom feeder adrenaline junkie journalists will callously exploit wars for their own gain
nta but who gives a fucking shit *why* someone does something? the why is never important, what should actually matter is what was actually done
if someone goes onto a warzone to televise a bunch of nobodies misery and suffering solely to advance their own career, he shouldn't be required to feel sympathy or empathy towards them, his only task is to give an objective and realistic view of the situation to the rest of the world and if the viewer wants to cry over people he doesn't know and will never meet, then they're free to do so
not everyone is some retarded selfless humanitarian

>>64155569
Those "right wing" tropes are real popular with the left right now
On the extreme end, both left and right employ fascist methods

>>64155690
>the why is never important,
Lmao, it's always fascinating when you get to encounter the truly stupid. In your everyday life you might never encounter someone so gloriously putting their tiny brain on show, and so proudly too.

>>64153609
>check out the film on imdb
>see the trivia section
My sides

>>64154582
90% of the movie is just awkward close up shots inside the plane, it's not even bad in a fun way.

>>64155672
>The civil war being set in America doesn't matter for the intents and purposes of the movie.
then why set it in America at all? Might as well as set it in the UK or wherever the fuck if you're not going to give two shits about it making sense either way.
>It's about the chaos inherent in civil war, and how bottom feeder adrenaline junkie journalists will callously exploit wars for their own gain
Pretty much any actual civil war from the 1900's onwards would be way better to communicate this message. Hell, make it about some scumbag journalists during the Indochinese wars, then you'd really have some shit to work with.

>>64156073
>why set it in America
>might as well set it in the UK
Kind of answered your own question there. He said he set it in America purely for the shock value.
>Indochinese wars
As I've said previously, it being set in America is irrelevant to the movie, it's set dressing

>>64156073
>set in the UK
It would unironically turn into the Crusades. You'd have longbowmen and knights vs Saracen rape gangs.

>>64153173
>We Were Soldiers
>>64153196
I'm sixteen minutes in and this is the best training montage I've seen for some time

>>64155524
Remember being assigned the book for english class near the end of year 8 and subsequently being forced to watch that dogshit movie as a "treat" during the last week of school for obvious reason

>>64150483
>>64155360
>>64155366
>>64154902

It being made after Titanic didn't help.

>>64155093
>erm, all European cultures are just Rome because we use the Latin script and Romance languages

Fuck off Dovahatty

>>64152729
>t. Fatberg with no family

>>64156073
Because who gives a shit about a civil war elsewhere? It happening again here has some shock value, moreover it's to demonstrate our prewar understanding of how the country might split up (RvB, economic, ethnic, etc.) is wrong and stupid because few civil wars outside of ours (which was a secessionist movement aiming to make a new nation, not a traditional civil war which aims to take control of a preexisting country) ever break up along clean and even lines in any way the people on the ground could anticipate. Moreover parts like the sniper scene demonstrates how absolutely chaotic and at times senseless the violence of a civil war can get, where you're in an unspoken duel to the death with someone you've never done any wrong to or even know if you're on opposing sides. It's a trash movie to be sure but you're somehow too retarded to even understand the point of the stupid movie

>>64149541
I'll admit putting aside the awful tank tactics and 5 shermans to 1 Tiger, the sound effects made seeing this in theaters exhilarating.
I was mostly let down that the Tiger was the only German tank in the movie, I was hoping there would at least be a StuG or something that gets knocked out.

>>64149958
so what? being bad history doesn't make it bad cinema

>>64150478
>nazi killing porn
kinoplex also not really a war movie

90% of war movies are slop aimed at retards

>>64154902
>Roger Ebert described it as being a film about how one day in 1941, the Japanese launched a surprise attack on an American love triangle.
he also said it was a two hour movie crammed into a three hour runtime

>>64150445
>besides being the only Cold War war with significant air and naval combat

That's kind of a stretch. Plenty of that in Iran-Iraq war. Korea had fuck huge amphibious operations, Vietnam had Yankee Station, Dixie Station, pocket money, shit load of major naval operations. I mean I terms of the RN and Argie navies getting blasted, like ship losses, yeah it does stand out in that sense.

Also interesting in its probably the old cold war conflict where the outcome was decided by a single, pretty stupid oversight by the ordnancemen fuzing the A-4s wrong despite being explicitly ordered to fuze for instant arming for the Raid on San Carlos. What, like 16 ships took at least one but generally 2 or more direct hits from duds? Wild shit.

>>64149510 (OP)
>war movie based in Fort Polk
Kino.

Was this movie any good? All the trailers and promo shots made it seem like someone had this image of a modern military man on a horse and got a massive hardon over it.

>>64156789

They were fused as low as they could be but a slick Mk82 just can't arm at 25-50ft level drop and you probably wouldn't want it to anyway unless you signed up to be a kamikaze pilot and get reunited with your own bomb after you drop it.

The issue was a lack of high drag bombs and pilots pilots forced to fly below minimum drop height to avoid being schwacked by SAMs not some lazy spic forgetting to change the fuses before his siesta. Don't believe history you read on Reddit.com

>>64155618
>>64155629
>>64155650
Midwit is such a retarded insult. Pseudo intellectual dribble, anyone who says it sounds like a morbidly obese fedora tipping pinko.

>>64153948
Fury was shit. Just war slop for Millennial hipsters
What's the redeeming qualities of the movie? Aside from budget and Brad Pitt

>>64156862
>pinko
Haven't heard that one in awhile

>>64156827
It’s alright. It’s a real story about the first ODA to enter Afghanistan after 9/11 and how they had to make a bizarro alliance with a military leader who had fought the Soviet army. The whole thing is overdramatized by hollywitz as usual, a lot of the dialogue is bullshit but the actual combat scenes are decent

>>64150173
>Nigger and white female lovers
>kill Aryan ubensch zombie mani-*braaaaap*
Just dog shit.

>>64150841
mfw the one character who actually survives in the book suddenly an hero's himself with a dinner fork.

>>64156827
dont like hemsworth, pena or the guy that looks like bill hader
otherwise pretty entertaining, nothing brilliant

>>64150478
The set pieces I thought were nice and felt like I was in the 40s. Other than Christoph Waltz and michael fassbenders characters its really shit.

>>64149541
There are only 3 major reasons why Fury is "shit":

Firstly, the Sherman attack on the treeline. They were bunched up, and the antitank guns should have been more effective and taken out at least 2 Shermans. This can be explained: the range was compressed as it is for all war movies. I agree that it is implausible that they didn't take at least some casualties.

Secondly, the final fight was implausible. Well, not really. It can be said that it was an extreme outlier. But similar fights have occurred. For example, during Wacht Am Rhein, a few small detachments of US troops held up German forces several times their size. German units also made tactical mistakes of essentially human-waving into the teeth of heavy enemy fire. So what happened in the final battle wasn't, for that stage of the war, totally implausible. Should the Germans have used their Panzerfausts earlier? Yes. But if you remember the action correctly, until they did, the tank crew had an excellent field of fire and it was difficult to approach closer until smoke and nightfall had obscured the battlefield. The Panzerfaust is quite a short range weapon.

The 3rd reason is that the crew personalities and characters are shit. Yeah well, that's war movies for you. Generally not known for interesting characters. But that's not really a major issue brought up in /k/

There are a number of other minor issues but IMHO they're not worse than many other good war movies. Overall I feel the pros outweigh the cons.

>>64156827
Complete fiction. It lionizes Dhostan, who comically fled Afghanistan in 2021 because, in reality, he was not going to put himself at risk fighting the Taliban. It changes the races of several ODA members because Hollywood. Additionally, the Triple Nickel had a reputation for, "yard saleing ordnance everywhere but the target area." I remember that exact quote from Alone at Dawn. That book is explicit that the ODA refused JTAC support and, consequently, couldn't hit a damn thing.

>>64149510 (OP)
The Battle scenes looked pretty good, and seeing Canadians instead of Brits or Americans in a war movie is nice, but man the bulk of the movie placed in alberta was sappy garbage and the plot was beyond basic.

Also my grade 12 English teacher was a credited actor in this which was kind of neat.

>>64156964
The details may have been wrong but it got the mood right. The Hurt Locker was a similar movie. Nonsensical tactics, wrong history and bad characters but the mood was correct.

>>64157042

>Triple Nickel

That's the nickname of the 555th Parachute Infantry Battalion [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/555th_Parachute_Infantry_Battalion_(United_States)]. 12 Strong is focused on the 5th Special; Forces Group [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/5th_Special_Forces_Group_(United_States)]

>>64157074
This just reminded me.

>>64157099
And it wasn't even that wrong. The Fury tactics were absolutely correct, and the director mentioned doing research on this. He just had to shorten the range however to cram it all into the camera's field of view, which is an unfortunate necessity of the medium.

The field battle? Standard tank-infantry tactics, except the tanks should have been as far apart as possible, over a total platoon frontage of maybe 1 mile.
The Tiger battle? Also correct, in essence. Smoke the Tiger, then fan out, flank it, close the range, and keep pouring fire on it until something breaks.

It was arguably a bad decision to make the range as close as it turned out to be. But the range would always have been ridiculous, for about the same reasons that there are zero (0) accurate air combat movies.

>>64157074

Who did he play?

>>64156862
whatever happened to half-wit, anyway?

>>64150729
NTA, but I was a sports journalist for my time at Testicle Tech.

>>64150963
This, but for /x/, /pol/, and /reddit9k/

>>64149541
They should've set it in the pacific, the edgy vibe would've been a whole lot more historically accurate

Best war movie coming through

>>64155736
>director Fred Olsen
jej

>>64152644
It fell off.

>>64157268
Will there ever be a theatrical rerelease?

>>64156851
>They were fused as low as they could be but a slick Mk82 just can't arm at 25-50ft level drop

You can fuze instaneous on either the front or tail fuze of a Mk82. Its not done very often but its absolutely possible. I agree its bizzare they didnt have snakes, its not like those are exotic attachments, but you can swap the front spindle for a contact fuze directly to the arming cable on the pylon meaning its hot the second it comes off the rails. Its possible they didn’t have any contact fuzes for whatever reason and that just wasn't communicated to the aircrew and regular spindles were used instead. But it wasn't a suprise or failure of mission planning to come in well inside the frag height, the idea was hopefully the ship itself would baffle the frag away from the skyhawk. So yeah it might not have been a lazy spic as you say but the scooter drivers had planned the entire thing expecting to be fuzed instaneous and for reasons that aren't really clear that didn't happen. Of course in the cockpit you have no way of checking the fuze setting and even during preflight its not likely an aviator would know what the proper arrangement would look like on the bomb.

Also its not from reddit, we had 4 of the surviving scooter drivers from the raid give a couple guest presentations at NAS Kingsville on the 30th anniversary of the war, since they were all trained there. They described it like I just recounted, and didn't actually rate the SAM threat nearly as high as regular AAA and Sea Harriers with heaters. They were vary wary of the AIM-9L.

>>64150841
i felt genuinely gaslight when normies were praising this as not only a great war film, but a good movie in general. the combat scenes are genuinely comedic, they make WWI look like a fortnite match or some shit. like when a squad of frenchmen calmly stroll through the battlefield to kill a downed german soldier with a bunch of flamethrowers as if there's nothing happening around them

>>64152122
the US military in general mirrors the civilian population's demographics, but this breaks down immediately for units who see frontline combat. infantry is mostly white and the green berets and JSOC are like 99% white men over 6ft. apparently the requirement to learn the rudiments of a second language to serve in the special forces filters out almost all nigs and spics.

>>64157140
This one was actually good. Can you explain?

>>64149510 (OP)
I am allergic to propaganda (from all sides) so 96.69% of war movies are unwatchable for me.

>>64156964
>the crew personalities and characters are shit
I kinda liked em though I've never watched the whole movie

>>64157220
The character is Dr Nigel Bernard, it was a fairly small supporting role, he shows up in the panel where they're evaluating Paul Gross after he gets back to Canada, I couldn't see him in any of the trailers to pull a screencap.

Dude's biggest acting role was probably as sherriff Logan in the Pinkertons which only ran for a season, though he's shown up over the years here and there in a bunch of random different stuff. Like, he was credited in X-Men as "Cop #2" or something.
https://youtu.be/R3TZZ86k4XU?si=Jm7zpy71c1KIapIH

He was also a legitimately good teacher.

>>64157074
Blowing a load in a hot woman then dying shortly after isn't the worst fate you can have in a war

>>64156940
Typical german misery wank, that is why Jünger is the superior author and why we will never get an adaptation of storm of steel.

>>64157121
Triple nickel is the nickname of ODA 555, famously of 5th SFG

>>64155577
yeah it was a few years ago

>>64157309

ok I was needlessly rude anon I'm just sick of hearing the same shit parroted about "exocet kill coes" and "just set the fuses lower"

I didn't actually know the Skyhawk pilots asked for their bombs to be fused like that with 0 arming distance and it not being actioned. As you say it could be they didn't have purely contact fuses or they weren't told they'd be dropped outside normal release height or they didn't feel comfortable fusing them like that since I still contend its pretty dangerous even if hitting the ship really did shield you from all fragmentation if a single bomb from your stick skittered past the target seems like you'd probably get a chance meeting with an old friend.

The first hand information is interesting especially the comment about SAM threat since afaik Skyhawks saw a lot more action against the ships in San Carlos Water than they did against the main fleet. The British SAMs proved a credible threat in blue water but in littoral waters from memory specifically Sea Dart had radar issues with so much clutter and also ships moving in tight confines let to ships passing between each other breaking lock with skimming targets or a frigate coming about to uncover its one armed bandit only for a landing ship to then re-cover it.

>>64156931
>bizarro alliance with a military leader who had fought the Soviet army
*fought with the Soviet army

>>64158432
Yeah that’s what I meant to type. He also defected to the muj after the ussr fell, so it was a bizarre choice but I guess 595 didn’t really have another option

>>64153052
>tarantino is a douche ... but his action scenes are always on point imo
Tarantino plays around with movie tropes. His characters are all cliche pulp characters from other crime/war/kung fu/western movies. But his "trick" is to suddenly introduce "IRL rules" into the story to have a dark comic effect. Reservoir Dogs was considered a really violent movie when it came out even though way fewer people died in it compared to a Rambo movie. His action scenes can be disasters when things go terribly wrong, and random civilians are gunned down or get winged. Watch this scene from Pulp Fiction:
https://youtu.be/_DCTCZcFkPs

>>64156931
>>64158432

The real crazy shit is from the civil war period 1992-1996 where you have an entire cast of wacky insane and/or scheming warlords characters like Hekmatar, the "Emir" of Herat, Shaffee or Mazari. Then you have Dostom unleashing the full might of his commie trained airforce performing massive airstrikes and cratering runways while Massoud countering them with ostentatious tactical plays like he was a legit staff officer not a french speaking army bra with no formal officer training.

Make a film about the japanese guy who fought with Jamiat-e-Islami or Massoud's soviet defector mobik turned bodyguard.

>>64158482
Disagree. His tropes are cliché. It's his characters who are unique.

Tarantino is a darkly comic Hemingway. His characters are real people talking realistic irreverent nonsense, a technique that Hemingway also employed, and he gets the actors to play them as charming as they can. The real magic he does is he plays with controversial stuff while still being firmly liberal-PC; and he was an excellent writer, unlike most dumbfucks in Hollywood these days, because he can set up proper plotlines and payoffs, and his dialogue was what made the whole thing darkly comic. Ultimately his technique is "simple"; introduce some characters, a plot, and throw disaster and ticking clocks at them out of nowhere. It's the dialogue that made them unique.

I say
>was
however, because he's definitely fallen off since Basterds. Old age probably.

>>64150049
They're early 60s Africans anon. Highly uneducated Africans that probably would have been the sort to hang up condoms as effigies thinking that's how they scare away the evil AIDS ghosts (that apparently happens today btw). Them getting mowed down by the hundreds by an even basically competent small force is completely believable. The biggest issue would be the experienced french mercs running the show but even they'd be wrangling cats with a bunch of dumb fuck Africans.

It's entirely possible to inflict hundreds upon hundreds of casualties upon guys whose best shooting stance is some form of the Afghani Shitter marching at your entrenched positions until and have too many wounded and too little remaining ammo in your rinky dink little outpost to continue the defense and are forced to surrender. Now if it were an equal force of well equipped french mercs instead of a small handful of actually competent guys and hordes of Shaka's rejects I'd bet they'd have been fucked up pretty good. Shit like this has happened all throughout history where small forces of Europeans do horrible awful things to backwards savages that think they're hot shit.

Yeah you still probably ought to take it with a grain of salt but acting like it's outright impossible is fucking retarded.

On a related note having Grok sim Rouke's Drift with alternate forces in place of the British that were there is hilarious. Medieval English is one of my favorites. Lower expected casualties for the English than the British had and an ungodly number of dead and wounded Zulus. Romans also came out with an absolute shit stomping of the Zulu hordes.

>>64150094
Could have used that setting for a modern retelling of "The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly".

>>64156827
The book is great, never saw the movie myself though.

>>64157420
Wait, fuck I meant it for the other thread. Goddamnit. Because yeah, it's actually a really good film.

I remember a movie that wasn't really a war movie, but it used the gulf war as a backdrop for a bunch of american soldiers hauling stolen treasure across the country
No idea what it was called though

>>64159312
This it?

>>64159336
Great fucking movie.

Only faggots don't like this.

>>64150173
>Nigger
>Woman
>JJ Abrams
Damn, thats the perfect shit trifecta right there.

>>64157979

I see. My bad. Didn't think about the possibility of reusing nicknames because of designations but from what I'm reading, wasn't the operation dramatized in 12 Strong ODA 595 only?

Cringe as fuck

>>64159336
Yeah, that was it
I'm surprised I forgot the name and couldn't find it at all even when I knew exactly what it was about

>>64150049
>claim that they inflicted catastrophic casualties
>just look at Rhodesia.
?

>>64150478
That's the point, are all the replies idiotic or something?
You're supposed to get it's stupid propaganda and then think about how propaganda warps your head

There's a whole arc about a nazi propaganda movie INSIDE this allied movie propaganda

>>64158259
>The British SAMs proved a credible threat in blue water but in littoral waters from memory specifically Sea Dart had radar issues with so much clutter and also ships moving in tight confines let to ships passing between each other breaking lock with skimming targets or a frigate coming about to uncover its one armed bandit only for a landing ship to then re-cover it.

Yeah that's basically exactly how they described it. Especially in that relatively restricted waterway with a lot of vessels and relatively high bluffs along some of it. Conversely the AIM-9Ls off sea harriers were more effective than was initially expected, which they attributed to the very high contrast between the cold seawater and the aircraft when coming in on the deck and flares were pretty pointless at that altitude since they would be in the water like immediately. TW-2 is kind of funny, there is a big mural of those Argie skyhawk guys near the CO's office, and a big one of the Iranian Tomcat drivers elsewhere, the only mural or anything for American pilots is this pretty cool hallway near the Sim building that shows SHOWTIME-100s duel with Colonel Tomb in 3 dimensions looping around the walls and ceiling and floor. I guess there was also a big poster photo of the King Ranch cowboys pulling a downed T-45 out of this gully it crashed into after the IP and stud punched out. I mean they pulled it out on horseback using lariats, pretty wild.

>>64151699
i saw this on some other guys screen while on a plane and almost burst out laughing during the child rpg sniper scene. hes just watching through his scope and see's a little kid walk to a dead soldiers rpg, pick it up, point it directly at a convy of americans in a humvee and does his best "IM ACTING" faces about gasp what if he has to shoot a kid! before the kid puts it down and runs away.
like, lmao. i was seriously hoping the kid would blast the hummer and kyle would go "oh...shit....guess i shoulda....that kid was actually armed unlike the last 18..."

>>64161059
>TW-2 is kind of funny, there is a big mural of those Argie skyhawk guys near the CO's office, and a big one of the Iranian Tomcat drivers elsewhere, the only mural or anything for American pilots is this pretty cool hallway near the Sim building that shows SHOWTIME-100s duel with Colonel Tomb in 3 dimensions looping around the walls and ceiling and floor. I guess there was also a big poster photo of the King Ranch cowboys pulling a downed T-45 out of this gully it crashed into after the IP and stud punched out. I mean they pulled it out on horseback using lariats, pretty wild.
Sending this to Hegseth's office so those murals of faggy foriners can be taken down and murals of Trump put up.

>>64161059
>>64161333

brainrot aside its pretty surprising that no USN higher up forced them to paint over the Iran mural especially during the hostage crisis or the Axis of Evil period.

I understand being proud of your foreign students though. I've known a few guys who helped train the Omani Airforce (either at a British training course or being part of a detachment in Oman). They all were proud of their Omani students and quick to praise their aptitude One particular curmudgeonly old former Chief Tech was always talking about how nice Oman was and how their national development was so fast like he was Sultan Qaboos' personal hypebeast.

[spoiler]He prattled on constantly but he wasn't wrong about Oman being nice or Qaboos being based[/spoiler]