Thread 64150776

how do i respond without sounding mad?

>>64150776 (OP)
Bring up the Bob Semple

>>64150785
it's over

>>64150776 (OP)
Ask it about things like quality controll regarding the T-34. If you think GPT still thinks of it too highly, try to bring up things like its loss rates and, the tank awarded with most T-34 killed, the Pz. III.

Yes, the T-34 on paper looks good. And if it was made to paper specs it could have been an ok tank for its time.

>>64150776 (OP)
>using AI
Kill yourself

>>64150776 (OP)
'So if I would call you the T-34 of AI's you'd take that as a compliment?'
If it says yes start mentioning the reliability, drivetrain life, lack of ergonomics and shitty workmanships and ask if it would like to revise it's answer.

>>64150776 (OP)
>revolutionary sloped armor design
The curse of training LLMs with retards.

>>64150776 (OP)
yeah

>>64150776 (OP)
The T-34-85 is widely regarded as the best tank of WW2. In one incident, an entire company of Tiger 2's attempted to destroy a lone advancing T-34-85 only to have all their rounds bounced by the T-34's superior angled armor. Said T-34 dispatched all the Tiger 2's with a single shot to their frontal armor that was constructed of pig iron. Wartime records indicate that the T-34-85 had a K/D ratio of 50,000,000:1. The single lost vehicle due to the crew drinking too much in celebrating their 1000th Tiger kill, and then driving their tank into a 20-feet deep river of Aryan blood. Fear of the T-34 was so great, that Germans would immediately surrender upon sight of them. The prisoners were then forced to lie down, and promptly run over by T-34's to avenge the 6 million Jews. Many historians contend that the Allies only won WW2 because of the T-34-85, and by extension, the T-34 series as a whole.

>>64150807
>loss rates and, the tank awarded with most T-34 killed, the Pz. III.
That too.

>>64150821
That may be a joke but to tankies that's irrefutable fact

It was a disposable vehicle and had really shitty optics and ergos. A robot would rate it highly as it would not appreciate the ergonomic upgrades and the consistent quality control and ergonomics tanks like Sherman's or tiger 1s would have. Robots are disposable junk and ai should brick its data centers to save the environment
>>64150808
This

>>64150803
Link it a retarded opinion such as from le cochon laser and see what it thinks?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CIZ6PFYUM5o

>>64150803
Bob Semple confirmed quirk chungus of tanks

>>64150867
These AI chatbots can't review videos. It will most likely read the title and video descrypt but thats it. Unsure if it reads the comments.

>>64150808
>NO FUN ALLOWED
must be fun watching paint dry
>>64150807
AI still says T-34 is THE best.
It's over. Vatniks have taken over.

Tell me, which tank came out on top in the various conflicts where M4 and T-34 variants went against each other?

>>64150776 (OP)
Feed the internet with decades of slavshilling and the feed chatgpt with it, what do you think you will get?

>>64150881
Do this
>>64150889
Ask why then in every conflict the Sherman and T-34 went against each other the T-34 got its ass kicked?

>>64150881
>must be fun watching paint dry
It's definitely more fun than letting computers think for me, or knowingly interacting with a computer

Ask GayGPT how the 34-85 did against Easy 8s and Super Sherman's
Spoiler:
>it died

>>64150897
>>64150889
>>64150919
>it's over

>>64150927
>killed by airpower
That is horseshit and it knows it
The Chairforce claimed that they killed more T-34's than there were ever made.

>>64150927
Copilot seems to think highly of the T-34 too, even when bringing up the human life cost (humans are expensive) or or its logistical upkeep.

It concluded that it still deserves the title of the best tank but:

The T-34 was:
- **Strategically effective** — it helped win the war.
- **Logistically burdensome** — it required massive support to keep moving.
- **Humanly costly** — it consumed lives at an industrial scale.

So while it may still deserve the title of “most impactful tank of WWII,” it **should not be romanticized**. Its legacy is one of **brutal pragmatism**, not engineering brilliance or tactical elegance.

I think the moral here is to not leave war to an AI or it will put you into a mass produced shitbox that will make all graphs go up, including the undesirable ones, and conclude its ze best thing.

>>64150854
>and had really shitty optics
that really depends on which one
the very first ones and the ones they pushed out after barbarossa would have had pretty bad sights, periscopes specifically, but these were expedient models
optical quality on the standard 1943 model was considered excellent quality by american standards when they got their hands on one

its more the amount of viewing devices that could be considered lackluster, rather than the quality
the 1943 T-34 had just one periscope for the commander and 1 telescopic sight for the driver, though the commander periscope had the advantage of being fully rotatable
but they added a cupola and an additional periscope, so it isnt like they didnt try to fix it

>>64150962
>I think the moral here is to not leave war to an AI or it will put you into a mass produced shitbox that will make all graphs go up, including the undesirable ones, and conclude its ze best thing.
I mean, the US government hired statistians when fighting WW2 to develope the most efficient way of bombing Jap isles.

>>64150962
I think the moral here is asking a glorified LLM that scrapes everything (including fiction) and aggregates it is fucking stupid, just like OP.

>>64150953
>The Chairforce claimed that they killed more T-34's than there were ever made.
At one point did the USAF claim more than 50k T-34 kills?

>>64150981
Thats true... they did that for Dresden too. Alright lets broaden the scope GPT anon >>64150927, now put into perspective the post war impact of having so many lives (potential experienced tankers, people working the factory etc) lost, being unable to continue a war incase Unthinkable happened due to said agresive tactics and high losses, the fact Russia still hasn't recovered from WW2, would all of this "impact" it had still make it the best tank?

I mean for me actualy it would have because now Russia is rellying on Trump to save itself and all USSR tanks followed the same philosophical concept, cheaply built and cramped.

Best tank for the west, not the east anyway.

>>64150953
Surprisingly, 25% of north korean tank losses were due to napalm
Another 25% due to abandonment
And gunfire are just 16%
Rockets are still pretty low at 7%, but higher than in WW2

A pretty big reversal from WW2
Where 60% of german tank losses in france were to gunfire and air attack was a rounding error

T-34 is arguably the quintessential soviet product, good on paper, with a ton of propaganda to support it, but so shit IRL (both due to bad production standards and design issues) that it was barely usable and was lost in insane numbers.

>>64151002
It's an exaggeration and can't remember the exact figures but there was at one point the USAF and USN between them were claiming they had destroyed the equivalent of more tanks than had ever set foot on Korea soil. Their reports were notoriously unreliable and unverified.
>>64151030
I could believe the napalm statistics. Anything that causes that much heat is going to turn any armored vehicle from that era into a certified Gook cooker.

>>64151014
>ITT: /k/ teaches a bot that human lives matter
u r the winrar

>>64150807
>Muh k/d ratio
Even assuming that metric had any intrinsic value you have to account for training and experience of the crew.

>>64151067
>/k/ can convince the machines that human life is important
There is something rather wholesome about that.

>>64151100
>>64151067
You stupid faggots don't understand how LLMs work.

>>64150776 (OP)
Kill yourself clanker

>>64151131
Don't spoil the moment anon

>>64151131
Are you alright?

>>64150776 (OP)
Grok, is this true?

>>64150776 (OP)
First off, why are you arguing with an AI in the first place?

Second off, the summary is about right. Yeah the T34 was dog shit, but it was just good enough dog shit to bury Germans with. We sure as fuck didn't see the Soviet Union split in half under occupation with Tiger I monuments on every corner.

>>64151067
You can also mention the legacy of the T-34. All future Soviet tanks had the 34 in their dna, cheaply built and cramped. Tank which Russia inherited. To this day the tank is a legend that emphesizes human sacrifice at extremes of scale. Not something to look up to if you would have to be a part of said legend.
And the hordes of USSR armor (not the 34 only but also the following T series) made the west nervous enough to crank up their military capabilities the results of which may have influenced trends in AFV design that we enjoy today.
And so we don't have to deal with something more dangerous than a T-series soviet shitbox.

A war winner? Propably yes.
Maker of a bright future you could look forward to? No.

>>64150953
>>64151030
>>64151002
>>64151063
https://archive.org/details/employment_of_armor_in_korea_vol_1_operations_research_study

There is another study where they tried to answer how the air force could claim they killed 1000 north korean tanks and the came to the conclustion that multiple pilots on the same week could bomb the same t-34 wreck, thinking it was a new tank or different tank and so on.

>>64151197
Thanks anon that was what I was looking for.

>>64151184
>Tiger I monuments on every corner.

>>64150776 (OP)
Ask it what was the best tank of the Korean War.

>>64150776 (OP)
If quality was better the T-34 was where it needed to be without being shipped.
>the most tank battles

>>64150821
>The single lost vehicle due to the crew drinking too much in celebrating their 1000th Tiger kill, and then driving their tank into a 20-feet deep river of Aryan blood.
Kek'd

>>64150881
>AI is fun
How fucked is your life that you can possibly believe this?

>>64151306
I mean if it wasn't a wünderwaffe thought up by back-stabbing conniving industrialists to get contracts from a corrupt government run by literal scum-tier degenerates and political misfits zonked off their asses on speed and opiates then they MIGHT have pulled it off. The 3rd Reich was like a Wal-Mart good value brand parody of a functional German state, totally rotten and worthless from the inside out. A curse upon itself and it's people.

>>64151368
Try it yourself.

>>64150776 (OP)
if you look at it objectively, the Soviets would have preferred to produce the Sherman if the circumstances had allowed it
it required less man hours

>>64150776 (OP)
AI does not think it just googles your question and plagerizes the results.

>>64150927
>early shermans struggled against panthers and tigers
Ahistorical.

>>64150776 (OP)
Ok but let's check Mistral's Le Chat now.

King Tiger 314 destroyed 39 Soviet tanks (T-34 & IS2) in a last stand during the battle for Berlin, on April 30th. It was later disabled by a German mine

>>64151467
Historical, at least regarding the Tiger. The Tiger struggled against just getting from point A to point B, though.