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Anonymous No.64153021 >>64153107 >>64153157 >>64153546 >>64153559 >>64153611 >>64153814 >>64155134 >>64155196 >>64155239 >>64155891
How to prevent military industrial companies from going bankrupt during a war?

https://www.moscowtimes.ru/2025/08/21/krupnii-proizvoditel-rossiiskih-bespilotnikov-okazalsya-na-grani-bankrotstva-a172305
Anonymous No.64153023
90% for the big guy
Anonymous No.64153035 >>64153056 >>64155147
Russia can't into MALE-HALE UAV engines and modern EO systems.
That drone had western engine and western EO. And its producer goes bankrupt because of sanctions.
Anonymous No.64153037 >>64153563 >>64155378
One of the leading players in the Russian drone market, JSC Kronstadt, has encountered serious financial problems, CNews reports. The company is primarily known for developing the Orion and Inokhodets drones, which are used for both military and civilian purposes. Over the past three months, 40 lawsuits have been filed against Kronstadt for a total of 626.3 million rubles. The largest claims were filed by Innovative Technologies and Materials (151.1 million rubles) and the Research Institute of Modern Telecommunication Technologies (220.6 million rubles). In August 2023, Turbojet Micro already tried to bankrupt Kronstadt.

The latest revenue data published for 2020 was poor: revenue of 2 billion rubles with a net loss of 3.6 billion rubles.

According to Nikolay Ryashin, CEO of Rusdronoport, the situation could lead to bankruptcy. “Subcontractors who provided services or delivered products but did not receive payment learned about this. Therefore, they are filing lawsuits en masse to be included in the register of creditors,” he explained.

As noted by CNews sources in the drone market, Kronstadt has been experiencing financial difficulties for two years. Among the key reasons is the exit of AFK Sistema, the previous strategic investor and main source of financing, in 2022. “This has sharply worsened access to investment and increased the debt burden,” says a Cnews source. “Without such a ‘wallet,’ the company is left alone with cash flow gaps.” Additional pressure was exerted by sanctions and rising component costs. Representatives of JSC Kronstadt did not respond to the request.
Anonymous No.64153056 >>64153100 >>64153330
>>64153035
Easy to see why the jeets love Russia.
Anonymous No.64153100 >>64154349
>>64153056
I just found this.
Anonymous No.64153107
>>64153021 (OP)
Russia produces "cheap" military equipment because government sets up prices on military equipment, not companies, so sometimes they set prices below cost of producing said equipment.
So it's simple, don't set price on a drone below how much it takes to make one, then your companies won't go bankrupt
Anonymous No.64153111
>Russian hardware
KEK
Anonymous No.64153157 >>64153166
>>64153021 (OP)
russian economy is fine and magically not hurt by worldwide isolation, stop asking questions westoids
Anonymous No.64153166
>>64153157
also gasoline is decadent western capitalist invention that Russia does not need
Anonymous No.64153330
>>64153056
Where is Modi?
Anonymous No.64153546
>>64153021 (OP)
Have the Russians
Tried paying them money
Anonymous No.64153559 >>64153814 >>64155314
>>64153021 (OP)
Isn't this just how russia gets its "cheap" drones? Paying under cost and let someone else deal with the consequences of it?
Anonymous No.64153563
>>64153037
>when your thread is boring so you just start copy-pasting the contents of the article
Anonymous No.64153611
>>64153021 (OP)
Order the military industry to make shit for you at a loss. Then order military industry to take out lone from state owned bank to continue operations. Then order state owned bank to forgive the loan. Then have the state bail out the state owned bank. Robbing Peter to pay Peter. Classic infinite money hack.
Anonymous No.64153814 >>64154276
>>64153559
>>64153021 (OP)
As part of it's deal with Kim Russia is helping to build Geran and Lancet factories in the DPRK, once those come online Russian drone manufacturing is screwed in the long term since the chance of underbidding the Norks is zero.
Anonymous No.64154276 >>64154331
>>64153814
Assuming this is true, those Russian companies can move on to other arms projects for revenue. I would definitely like to see DPRK with drone factories.
Anonymous No.64154331 >>64154747
>>64154276
None of the tech is Russian though, the drones are Iranian and Israeli (via China) so that would mean those Russia companies would need to innovate new products.
Anonymous No.64154349
>>64153100
>Just a bit 'a bantah!
Anonymous No.64154747 >>64155356
>>64154331
>None of the tech is Russian though, the drones are Iranian and Israeli (via China)
Russia has drone tech straight from Israel too. That's what Russia's entire drone fleet consisted of until mid-2023 when Russia ended its embargo and started buying Iranian arms.

Which Sino-Israeli UAV tech are you referencing?
Anonymous No.64155134
>>64153021 (OP)
This is by design. Instead of taking on a bunch of public debt directly to fund the war, Moscow hides it in the private sector by forcing companies to accept below-cost contracts backed up by favorable loans from private banks on government mandated terms. Shit like this is the cost of such a strategy.
Anonymous No.64155137
tactical defenestration
Anonymous No.64155147
>>64153035
But Rubio said that sanctions are useless.
Anonymous No.64155193 >>64155215 >>64155337
Meanwhile on the other side of the border:
>Ukraine is now producing around 3,000 FP-1 long-range drones per month—about 100 per day—matching Russia’s Shahed output but at less than a third of the cost. Each FP-1 costs roughly $55,000 compared to $193,000 for a Shahed. Built with simple plywood frames and carrying up to 60–120 kg warheads, FP-1s offer Ukraine a cheap, mass-producible strike weapon with a range of up to 1,600 km.
Anonymous No.64155196
>>64153021 (OP)
>AI news piece
sure sure
Anonymous No.64155215 >>64155298
>>64155193
>plywood
Shoigu must be spinning in his grave.
Anonymous No.64155239 >>64155277 >>64155861
>>64153021 (OP)
How does this even happen during a fucking war when drones are considered, whether for good reasons or not, the meta. Like, how. That's like a casino bankrupting, how does that even happen.
Anonymous No.64155277
>>64155239
it was explained several times but I will explain again
>company makes large recon drones, costs 400k USD a pop to make
>general buys it for 450k USD
>war starts, sanctions, higher cost for components to buy through Kazhakhstan, higher wages because half of the workers went to army for "free" 2 million roubles
>drone now costs 500k USD to make
>general says it's 450k USD or he fucks you in the ass and maybe if war ends(which you have to ENDURE) then they might increase buying price but only if you keep selling at that price
Anonymous No.64155298 >>64155316
>>64155215
>Shoigu must be spinning in his grave.
oh, is he dead? did I miss a funny?
Anonymous No.64155314 >>64155322 >>64155337
>>64153559
>Isn't this just how russia gets its "cheap" drones? Paying under cost and let someone else deal with the consequences of it?

That's a bingo. It's how they've prevented their economy from imploding over the past 2 years: banks are being... *strongly encouraged* by the russian state to take on high-risk loans (there's no way these military companies are ever going to turn a profit, let alone enough to repay the loan + interest). It's basically the government writing out (ever bigger) IOU notes to prop up the economy, with no intention of ever paying them back, of course, but what are you gonna do - refuse a note? sounds like treason talk to me.

Total Absolute Clusterfuck doesn't even cover what's going to happen to their economy once the war ends or when the first bank collapse happens, whichever comes first (in fact, the two will probably happen simultaneously).
Anonymous No.64155316
>>64155298
Not officially. He was made Secretary of the Security Council of Russia after getting removed as Defence Minister.
Anonymous No.64155322
>>64155314
they are not simply *strongly encouraged*, Puccia passed a law few month before invading that banks cannot refuse any loans government asks them for
Anonymous No.64155337
>>64155193
Fact that it's cheap, relatively light and not facing competition from other strategic production aside, wood's also a really good choice for reducing radar signature. It's no RAM coating or anything, but it'll make them even more of a pain in the ass to detect and intercept.
>>64155314
Yeah, while it's true that Russia's been weathering the war and sanctions better than some expected, I think the people calling it a 'win' on their part really don't understand that Russia's engaging in selling out the future to fund the present, and the longer they have to do it the worse it's going to be when they have to deal with what they created for themselves.
Ukraine's not had to break their economy or society in the same way to fight the war, despite being the smaller country being invaded, and they're going to get plenty of financial support from Europe to rebuild whenever this is finally over. Plus a bunch of newly spun up, combat-proven military production capacity that'll probably interest a rearming EU.
If I was POTUS and I was looking for a way to 'make my money back' or some shit, I wouldn't give a damn about a sweet deal on resources. I'd lobby for as much military-industrial cooperation as possible. Soak up that experience, get them co-producing shit with US companies, all that stuff.
Anonymous No.64155356
>>64154747
>Which Sino-Israeli UAV tech are you referencing

The DPRK's last demonstration of drones was basically the entire UVision catalogue, they had clones of almost the entire Hero series. The going theory is China stole the specs and the Norks stole from them although there are other options.
Anonymous No.64155378 >>64155406
>>64153037
>lets produce TV spots where we show german families eating their hamsters
>lets give our company a german name meaning "crown city"
I hate russians so much its unreal
fucking psychiatric patients
Anonymous No.64155406 >>64155624 >>64155897
>>64155378
Kronstadt is a town near Petersburg. It's been called that way for 300 years.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kronstadt
Anonymous No.64155624
>>64155406
Traditional psychiatric issues, then.
Anonymous No.64155861 >>64155875
>>64155239
>How does this even happen
There are multiple layers of this:
1. The other side of potentially corrupt COST+ scheme what murricans are doing is the soviet approach of "we'll tell you ourselves how much we'll pay for your shit, and no you can't avoid this contract", i.e. the state can just pay less it would be needed for the whole business to be sustainable;
2. Usually the amount the state pays is based on what they count as cost of production with a very small margin on top, those margins are usually set by laws and such. Imagine the state calculates that cost is $100K per unit, and they pay you 1.5% on top of that (not a joke, these values are a thing), so $100,5K per unit. This would work in mass market consumer manufacturing where a) stuff would be made in million of units per year, but military contracts are not that, and b) they'd had a chance to cut costs by optimizing things;
3. But it's even more retarded, because the state is very dumb and commie in how it calculates cost, similarly to those online "an iPhone actually costs $199 to make" breakdowns, i.e. it doesn't have anything to do with reality, so they are delusional and calculate bullshit and you're tied to that. And the very least they undervalue the amount of labor to actually develop things, test things, assemble shit, do QA and QC parts, the transport, the warehousing, the need to overpay to suppliers to actually get shit on time or dodge sanctions, etc. Hence the only recourse is to try to inflate the costs with bullshit;
1/2
Anonymous No.64155875
cont >>64155861
4. But even that's not all. You actually get a number they are supposed to pay you, you've somehow managed to inflate cost by 5-10% so even 1.5% margin should be doable for you, you think it's okay... but then the market conditions change.... some suppliers don't want to sent things directly because sanctions and now you need to overpay for shit to buy it from middlemen, or you even worse - everything became more expensive in the country because of the war taking its toll. Don't forget that labor shot through the roof in price as well. You can't hire retards for 20K RUB per month anymore, since they can earn 200K in the army. Thus your safety net of inflating the cost is fucked and you are fucked. Maybe you'll get some free or borderline free labor from students forced into manufacturing (a la Alabuga plant), but good luck with that.
4. And then it gets worse, you actually sign contracts with suppliers, you assemble it, you ship it off to the army... and wait... and wait again... Because this isn't the private sector and not even the bullshit corporate B2B sales where payment can might reach you in 6+ months, nah, the state might pay you like in a year from now... or it might not pay you everything or at all. No I'm not joking. It's not like you have any recourse lmao, it's not like you can go to court and get your money from MoD, it's not like you can stop supplying the army (not following the contract can result in the state taking over the company, yes). While all of your suppliers are angrily waiting for payments for the stuff they've sent you during the last year and demanding their money. And they go to court, which is what's happening with this company now. Its suppliers are ass blasted and want to get at least something before it does down, so they go to court.
Anonymous No.64155891
>>64153021 (OP)
child labor
Anonymous No.64155897 >>64155940 >>64156034
>>64155406
It was Swedish before the Russians came, hence the german sounding name
Anonymous No.64155940 >>64156070
>>64155897
>german sounding
its the exact spelling, not just "sounding".
Anonymous No.64156034
>>64155897
Petersburg was named Nyenschantz in Swedish.
Peter the Great was Dutchaboo.
Anonymous No.64156070 >>64156084
>>64155940
It sounds German when you pronounce it
Anonymous No.64156071
Speaking about businesses. Remember how Boeing's facility in Ukraine got bombed by Russia months ago and USA just cucked out of any response? Remember when Trump and MIGA cultists said that Ukraine should be grateful for being financially ruined by USA over the mineral deal and it was 'a robust security guaranteed because Russia wouldn't DARE attack American™ interests!' and then yesterday Russia bombed an American owned factory in Ukraine and once again Trump does nothing and nobody admits that the claim of 'mineral rights mean Ukraine is safe from Russia' is bullshit?

I guess Trump will have to offer more resources from Alaska, maybe the entire state itself and the Marshal Islands to get Putin to agree to a peace deal! He totally won't just laugh and continue to bomb American interests and kill civilians.
Anonymous No.64156084 >>64156149
>>64156070
a native speaker is explaining the word to you, you fucking idiot
Anonymous No.64156149
>>64156084
>explains word to native
>being native excuses retardxplainer