Thread 64154925

You are going to war, you can choose 5 ukr/rus mobiks who have been in the trenches storming and defending for 2 years, OR 5 US special forces guys? who do you choose.

The one who can speak English most fluently, as it's the only language I speak.

>>64154925 (OP)
>you're going to war
What's my role? What am I expected to do? Who am I fighting? Where am I fighting? What gear do I get? What support do I have? What intel do I have? Who am I fighting for? Why are we fighting? 99% of the information needed to answer this question and you lapse it the fuck out
>oh uh you're going to war
Two people from two sides throwing rocks at each other is 'war' too dipshit. Think before you post.

>>64154925 (OP)
When it comes to general experience, a regular soldier who already experienced peer to peer conflict is far more efficient than American SOF, who primarily acted as a deployable global SWAT team in the later years of the GWOT and now. 2 types of troops with different specialized experience, but it’s better to choose someone who has more general experience than specialized one. I think I’d rather trust UA/RU SOF than American SOF when it comes to combat effectiveness in non insurgency operations. Don’t let the Gucci gear like Patagonia/cryes fool you.

>>64154925 (OP)
Not only are the 5 US SFG guys going to have a lot more trigger time than the conscripts, but they're going to be better equipped and trained. This is a clear call and if you have to question your decision, you probably can't speak English.

>>64155035
>a lot more trigger time
Irrelevant, when it comes to general battlefield experience, they are no different than rangers/airborne. The 5 SOF, despite the good gear and gun, will still struggle in a peer environment. Experiences sometimes outweigh the “training” or equipment unless those 5 SOF have the entire Air Force behind them.

The one that's well trained and has plenty of resources.

>>64155059
That's what experts said before America invaded Iraq. America expected to take a lot of casualties because of how experienced Iraq was.

>>64155024
>When it comes to general experience, a regular soldier who already experienced peer to peer conflict is far more efficient than American SOF

You're leaving out the part where they're more like to die. Which means there is no experience.

>>64154925 (OP)
Definitely the US special forces, they're more likely to be better soldiers on account of typically being of Germanic or Celtic stock rather than Slavic.

>>64154925 (OP)
>5 ukr/rus mobiks who have been in the trenches storming and defending for 2 years
Why would I want dead bodies?

>>64155059
If we assume the same support, I am absolutely, 100%, taking the soldiers who I assume are going to be the better combatants with better training, cohesion, motivation, and doctrine. People who volunteered to get thrown into the shit are going to be my choice over conscripts all the time unless the people volunteering are from Sierra Leone or Laos or some shit.

>>64154925 (OP)
What am I going to be doing in this war, storming trenches or spooky blackops shit?

maybe the mobiks because they'll probably have land mines and other traps set around their trenches. that is a huge advantage.

>>64155072
>more likely to die
Anon, even during the GWOT, SOF operators had the highest mortality rates. Both are more destined to die, but one has more relevant experience on how to survive and move forward towards the objective. Of course, it also depends on which environment it is. If it’s close quarters, SOF takes the cake unless the Ukrainian/Russian soldiers have experiences in urban warfare in Donetsk or other cities.

>>64155088
>but one has more relevant experience on how to survive and move forward towards the objective.

That's why I pick American SOF. More Russians died in 1 year in Ukraine than 20 years of all US forces in Iraq and Afghanistan.

>>64155024
Remember that Navy SEAL that volunteered in Ukraine and wound up dead? 1 Azov is worth 30 Navy SEALs.

>>64155091
Training =/= experience. If all you're experienced at is blowing up nobody nigger countries, you're not gonna fare well with somebody who's extensively trained at inflocting disproportionate losses on a modern army despite zero infrastructure.

>>64155098
>>64155092
You seem to be a bit confused, you have put something in the name field for some reason, yet your identity isn't important to the thread.

>>64154925 (OP)
Can i chose Norks?

>>64155101
I'm just saying. Every engagement you survive counts as experience. If you can survive both total siege and being a POW and make it back to the battlefield and kill again, you're unstoppable at that point.

>>64155091
Because Iraq/Afghanistan was barely a conventional conflict. Afghanistan was a conventional conflict for a few months until it was a full blown insurgency. Iraq was conventional for a month before it devolved into a 5 way conflict between conventional and unconventional forces. The U.S. barely took losses in Afghanistan because the conflict was vast and the immediate support and tech/training advantage made it easy to pick off insurgents. Iraq had higher numbers in a short amount of time due to urban conflicts.

>>64155092
Different specialized groups, but I think AZOV is more comparable to rangers/American airborne.

>>64155098
>somebody who's extensively trained at inflocting disproportionate losses on a modern army despite zero infrastructure

Who would that be?

>>64155070
Iraq was fighting against Iranian child soldiers, Russians are fighting western trained regulars

>>64155106
What about the ones that kill themselves because they know no CASEVAC is coming to save them?

>>64155120
That's the power of a first rate military.

>>64155123
>self-funded volunteer militia
>comparable to rangers/American airborne

huh

>>64155135
Iran was fighting against Iraqi child soldiers, Russians are fighting conscripts dragged from their apartments.

>>64155149
>self-funded volunteer militia
>Azov

>>64155149
They haven’t been self funded for a decade. They are funded by the Ukrainian army along with having several revenue sources themselves. And a year ago the U.S. lifted the ban on them directly receiving aid/training from them(not sure why the ban was still in effect after the 2022 invasion though)

>>64155149
The only thing right is them being a volunteer unit. Them being self funded hasn’t been true in a while. They are a professional detachment of the Ukrainian army since 2015

I'll take regular infantrymen over mobiks.

>soldiers experienced in peer to peer warfare aka the war where individual soldier skill matters the absolute least
>soldiers experienced in hiding in a hole and being shelled nonstop and maybe with some luck clearing out a building with heavy weapons, with no luck, running forward through a field and getting droned

If its only 5 retards it doesnt make a difference anyway. At 5 you barely have a team. A team doesnt do fucking anything by itself UNLESS they are SF, doing SF shit.

>>64154925 (OP)
The Ukr will know how to make drones, will carry 3/4 times more ammo than specops and wont do retarded Moves, just toss a grenade at every angle.

>>64155249
>more ammo
Not with only 5 guys

>>64155270
If you see ukranian they always carry 600-1200 rounds on themself.
Specops 300-500 rounds from interviews ive seen.
Ukranians also tend to just dump their mag behind walls angles without trying to do the swat larping in CQB.

>>64155024
Russian mobik experience: sit in a trench, assault enemy lines, die to a drone. Real masters of warfare.

>>64155275
https://youtu.be/tBYAuOhbGfU?si=6RqkLfdnTc7ce8AL
Idk why you are getting the idea the special forces follow through blindly to their own death, they study this shit 24/7. Look the seal is shooting through the wall

>>64155283
That's footage from a green beret. The uploader changed it to SEAL Team 6 for clickbait.

>>64155275
>If you see ukranian they always carry 600-1200 rounds on themself.

Pics?

>>64155291
Oh but still, special forces and all that heres more
https://youtu.be/AOvhO9Ki0Uw?si=0wHu1D79bberWMl7
They are just fragging and full autoing where the guy might be, just like infantry

>>64155280
But if they did it dor 2 years and are still alive.
They gotta be lucky atleast

>>64155283
>>64155300
Notice how they do it with no fear or hesitation. You only get that through a ton of practice.

>>64155305
>They let me pick. Did I ever tell you that? Choose whichever Mobik I wanted. I watched as you became the soldier we needed you to be. Like the others, you were alchoholic and old and brave. A natural leader. But you had something they didnt. Something no one saw but me. Can you guess? Luck.

>>64155144
Air superiority trumps everything else. If we were talking about fighter pilots then obviously you would take five American pilots over five Ukrainian pilots

>>64155305
Or maybe they spent most of it in a mobik hole as punishment

>>64155367
>Air superiority trump everything
Nah, id take 5 Assault terminators over 5 fighter jet

>>64155315
kek

>>64155092
Special forces aren't immortal? Guess they're useless.

>>64154925 (OP)
US SOF. Experience and training are 2 different things and the reality is that an inexperienced but extremely well trained team is usually better than a team of hardened veterans lacking discipline, tactics, and equipment. Mobiks AKA conscripts are poorly trained on both the Ukrainian and Russian side, so even if they've survived actual trench assaults, the fundamentals aren't going to be solid.

>>64155604
It's not that they're not immortal (although Azov apparently is), it's just that US SOF aren't trained to fight fucking RUSSIA like Azov/ISIS.

>>64156426
What makes Russia so special?

>>64156455
They're not some ordinary desert country for one. They have an air force. They're a modern arny with nukes. They're pretty sizeable.

>>64154925 (OP)
5 ruskiggers, pack them in a bus and drive all the way to the Steppes, kill the local oblast leader and take over the region.
Conscript the local men into my band.
Proceed to launch raids on the chinese border for women and food
Blow up any rail track leading to my fiefdom.

>>64154925 (OP)
>lust provoking image
>time wasting question way too large in scope with not enough context
>>64156464
>not some ordinary desert country
>modern anry
>airforce
Anon... I don't know how to tell you

>>64156464
>They have an air force.

...can we see it in action?

>>64156535
Yes

>>64156547
very nice. thank you.

>>64154925 (OP)
Whoever has the better training and experience in competent militaries.
Fighting a war only enforces your shit training and poor habits onto you. It doesn't make you a competent soldier just because you've been fighting for a long time.

>>64154925 (OP)
>You are going to war
Define "war"

>>64155092
Those were Boris Johnsons

Given that it's a training vs experience argument wouldn't Nork Storm Corps vets be a good middle ground?

>>64155091
Those arent really similar conflicts though.

"A gram of experience is heavier than a ton of theory"
The choice is obvious

>>64154925 (OP)
You would be better off taking 5 friends with you that you have played games, sports and grew up with. Teamwork wins fights.

>>64154925 (OP)
Can't speak any Ukranian so it's gotta be the SF guys.

>>64154925 (OP)
Which team is whiter?

>>64154925 (OP)
Special forces. They are for sure trained.
>>64154951
>AMMMMO AMMMOO
>gets handed at-4

>>64155120
Yes america destroyed one of the most powerful militaries (top 10) in a few months time from the other side of the world and gained full control of the country immediately following for the next 20 years trying to change the muslims culture peacibly

>>64155292
Might just be talking squad weapon dudes, its pretty typical to carry alot of rounds cuz they eat up ammo fast