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Anonymous No.64157308 >>64157319 >>64157332 >>64157456 >>64157463 >>64157546 >>64157643 >>64157705 >>64158248 >>64159719
Think two steps ahead and you'll realize drone swarms are the meta after all. Today Western air power overmatches any thirdie attempt at FPV-based armies. That won't last long. The West is building lasers to stop drones and missiles. Those lasers will make traditional air power obsolete.

We will return to ground combat but this time tanks won't dominate and artillery will be blunted by lasers. We must RETURN to drone swarms.
Anonymous No.64157319 >>64157340
>>64157308 (OP)
>Today Western air power
Oh whoops, the US had drone swarms 8 years ago and your subhuman shitskin ass thinks his inferior race has a chance at defeating the West.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ndFKUKHfuM0
How sad.
Anonymous No.64157330
>2 minutes apart
very organic and lmao
Anonymous No.64157332
>>64157308 (OP)
>gets jammed
gg no re
Anonymous No.64157340 >>64157347 >>64159220
>>64157319
>post a pertinent new weapons topic on /k/
>it's today
>not even a minute passes before getting spammed by the anti-china slopper
Anonymous No.64157347 >>64157463
>>64157340
>try to push an anti-western propaganda narrative so poorly disguised it's immediately recognized for what it is
>gets an adequate response
Anonymous No.64157456 >>64157526
>>64157308 (OP)
>muh drones
Anonymous No.64157463 >>64157526
>>64157308 (OP)
>precision guided munitions in their various forms become cheap and ubiquitous
>this forces the adoption of small, decentralized, but effective laser-based AA
With you so far.
>this laser AA becomes so advanced it becomes capable of guaranteeing a mission kill on all flying materiel
Probably not but maybe eventually.
>We will return to ground combat but this time tanks won't dominate and artillery will be blunted by lasers. We must RETURN to drone swarms.
Not so fast, fucko. The laser supremacist timeline is what promises us a return to massed tank battles. If you can intercept fighter jets and artillery with lasers you can intercept drones. The only winning strategy is to shorten the amount of time you're in the laser's line of sight. Theoretically, drones with sufficiently advanced pathfinding could fly super-nap of the earth (<1m?) or use some kind of ToF mapping to autonomously interpose obstacles between them and their target, but that comes at the expense of speed and range. Might work in urban environments, but that's much closer to a mine than a weapon.
So what's the fastest way to approach a laser?
Oh yes, by moving directly at it in a straight line. Thus, The Gun.

>>64157347
Shut the fuck up and actually engage with the weapons as a concept you tar pit.
Anonymous No.64157526 >>64157636 >>64157677
>>64157456
>pictured: a plane caught visible in midair
You aren't just emitting radio when you fly a Nth generation superfighter. You're literally bouncing photons into the giant glass eyeball of every laser in sight.

>>64157463
You're halfway there. The issue with guns is rate of fire and high platform costs resulting in low numbers despite theoretically cheaper ammo. Lasers don't roll back combat to the pre-missile age. A CKEM platform is still going to rape tanks. But CKEM is too expensive for most countries and it's useless in the pre-laser-dominance age.
So the natural response is make drones flying nap of the earth. Cheap accessible networked scouting is always useful and it's already been developed.
Anonymous No.64157546 >>64157633
>>64157308 (OP)
>the weapon system that is defeated by the fucking atmosphere will make planes obsolete
Ayy.
Anonymous No.64157633 >>64157693
>>64157546
Virtually all military lasers transmit in the IR optical window where the atmosphere gives minimal difficulty. Right now the laser power/cost ratio is reenacting Moore's law. By 2040 lasers will be even cheaper, and since the MDA considered 1MW anti-MIRV defenses viable way back in 2019 you can imagine the usual copes about mirrors, spinning and carbon armor will be dead before they can be re-spammed.
Anonymous No.64157636 >>64157681
>>64157526
>You aren't just emitting radio when you fly a Nth generation superfighter.
The point, doofus is that lasers are not even a topic of discussion because drones = emissions and the second you start emitting you will die.
Anonymous No.64157643
>>64157308 (OP)
Drone swarms won't be completely meta for quite a while. Right now near future meta is drone and unmanned point men in front of humans.
Anonymous No.64157677
>>64157526
>The issue with guns is rate of fire
This is only true contextually. If we're talking about AA you're right. If your targets are vehicles, personnel, or fortifications, then you simply pack a different gun for each kind of occasion.
>very spammable threats - personnel/suspicious looking light cover/thin skinned vehicles/UAS defense
An HMG-equivalent on CROWS++. An M2 would be traditional. Probably replaced by a laser in this scenario if combatants stop being squeamish about anti-personnel use.
>cheap "armored" threats - lightly armored vehicles/trench lines/tree lines/suspicious looking houses/UGVs/last ditch UAS defense
Turreted 30mm autocannon with twin ammo feeders pumping APIT or radar-fused HE-frag.
>heavily armored threats - enemy direct fire platforms, bunkers
The Gun.
>Lasers don't roll back combat to the pre-missile age.
I don't think they do either. Modern mobility is so high and modern equipment so expensive that truly invulnerable formation densities would be operationally outmaneuvered by slightly more dispersed but attritable equivalents. You still try to chuck as much indirect fire in their direction as possible, but if you want to kill [x] now you blast it with a gun.

I still think we'll see UAS. As you mention, their scouting abilities make them useful, and organic AA will not be impermeable. I think the expectation will be to bring along as many as is practical, expect to lose almost all of them as you close with the enemy. That and in the context of decentralized logistics and field resupply.
Anonymous No.64157681 >>64157686 >>64157720
>>64157636
Not if you're outside LOS. FPVs can minimize their LOS and if you lose 100 $5k FPVs you have 100 more in the same swarm launched from a pickup. Stealth planes are optimized for a flight regime which maximizes their vulnerability to LOS and every one you lose costs $120m, a pilot, and international eyebrow raising.
Anonymous No.64157686 >>64157710 >>64157886
>>64157681
If you're using a drone, you're emitting. If you're in an environment where the otherside is using EW you're emitting a fuckton. You're going to die.
Anonymous No.64157693
>>64157633
>that 1 year old thread still living rent free in his mind
Anonymous No.64157705
>>64157308 (OP)
>muh meta
>muh drone swarms
Who do COD kiddies constantly think they're qualified to make predictions about real military affairs?
Anonymous No.64157710 >>64157729
>>64157686
Lasers extend the 'you're gonna die' concept to a hemisphere of everything visible from the ground. B21s will get shreked the same way mobiks do.
Anonymous No.64157720 >>64157771
>>64157681
>muh cost efficiency
Reformer tard spotted, opinion discarded.
Anonymous No.64157729 >>64157771
>>64157710
Yeah, no one will ever find the lasers and the colossal power generation following them around.
Anonymous No.64157771 >>64157799
>>64157720
You're replicating the same argument thirdies make about western jammers. The choice is between something that works and something that doesn't work at all.

>>64157729
A plane at 35k feet has nothing to hide behind. It's visible out to a 220 mile radius horizon on the ground, and that's before factoring in orbital AMTI which tracks it from takeoff to landing.
Anonymous No.64157799 >>64159192
>>64157771
>A plane at 35k feet has nothing to hide behind. It's visible out to a 220 mile radius horizon on the ground, and that's before factoring in orbital AMTI which tracks it from takeoff to landing.
yeah bud, they will fly high in an environment with a threat profile like that. No one has ever flown NOE. Also, stealth is pointless.

This fucking guy.
Anonymous No.64157886 >>64157981
>>64157686
If you are driving a tank or using artillery your are emitting.
You are going to die.
Anonymous No.64157981 >>64159192
>>64157886
>If you are driving a tank or using artillery your are emitting.
No.

First, you're not emitting constantly like you are with a drone and second, radio silence is a thing.
Anonymous No.64158248
>>64157308 (OP)
>the meta
Kys
Anonymous No.64159192
>>64157799
If you're flying NOE stealth is worthless because every reservist with an AK74 will spray your B21 with their Mk1 eyeball. It's Shaheds or nothing, and really shaheds are still too much, it's quadcopters and maybe some cruise missiles.

>>64157981
Manually analog piloted FPVs stream constantly. Western drones don't.
Anonymous No.64159220
>>64157340
(your) 50 cents
Anonymous No.64159719
>>64157308 (OP)
western air power will wipe out all drone storage, launch, and construction sites long before ground forces are sent in.
Anonymous No.64159733
I can't help but feel lasers will not deliver on these promises