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why didn’t flintlock rocket launchers ever take off as a military weapon? Or a matchlock rocket launcher?

although it was impossible to create a shaped charge for an rpg in the 1800s. they could made made an exploding schrapnel rocket that can inflict airburst damage on packed formations of enemies by making one part of the rocket a motor and the other part a warhead. or they could make a carcass/thermire rocket that would spew burning fuel all over the enemy when the motor burns out and ignited the incendiary mixtures flying out of nozzles at the end of the rocket.

Thermite is a pyrotechnic composition of a metal powder (typically aluminum) and a metal oxide (such as iron oxide), which produces a highly exothermic, high-temperature reaction when ignited, creating molten metal and the corresponding metal oxide. This reaction, used in welding, metal cutting, and even some firefighting robots, generates extreme heat that can reach temperatures up to 2500°C (4532°F).

>>64157688 (OP)
>pull trigger
>get brutally bukkaked with rocket exhaust and buring chunks of black powder
Gee, I wonder why no one liked these things.

>>64157688 (OP)
flintlock grenade launchers absolutely were a thing. I assume it was much easier to do that than to make reliable rockets.

>>64157733
I want one of these

>>64157733
These are in a museum in France, they had a longer stock you could brace against the ground sort of like a mortar.
There also existed flintlock whaling guns in the early 19th century that fired a "bomb lance"--a harpoon with an explosive built into the point.

Congreve rockets and Mysorean rockets were absolutely a thing, and both generally sucked.

>>64157688 (OP)
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Who would want a flintlock rocket launcher? With firearms and weaponry expert Jonathan Ferguson

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>>64157790
https://collections.royalarmouries.org/%23/objects?search=+Flintlock+rocket+launcher&sort=relevance

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Description of Flintlock Rocket-Launcher c. 1800
This unusual flintlock-operated rocket-launcher is probably Spanish in origin and dates from around the end of the 1700’s.
Signal or alarm-rockets were put to military use early in the history of gunpowder. Possibly, rockets as a weapon were first used by the Mongols early in the 1200’s. Some examples were designed as incendiaries, to create fires aboard ships or behind enemy defenses. Later, specially devised war-rockets even incorporated powerful explosive charges. War-rockets, ranging from hand-held versions to monster-size examples appear to have originally remained popular only in the East. However, signal-rockets were certainly used in Europe from an early date. The Knights of the Order St. John made regular use of signal-rockets for communication, especially at sea. In 1799, the British Army experienced the effective use of war-rockets in India. Soon after, war-rockets were introduced to European warfare and this revolutionary projectile weapon proved to be a useful alternative to the normal heavy artillery.
Over the years, diverse types of rocket-launchers were put to military use. Around 1790, infantry versions were introduced designed to be fired from the shoulder. While the majority of existing, early, hand-held rocket-launchers seem to have been improvised and adapted from ordinary military muskets, the example displayed here is certainly one of the purpose-made variety. One other identical infantry rocket-launcher is known to exist and is in the Royal Armouries collection in Britain.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mAzdYxa6kHA

The M79 of the 1700s - Hand Mortar

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Grenades have been part of warfare for a long time, and so have grenade launchers. In this video we demonstrate a reproduction 1600-1700's era Hand Mortar grenade launcher from Veteran Arms

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Musket and grenade launcher? Flintlock grenade musket with with firearms expert Jonathan Ferguson

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How A Flintlock Grenade Launcher Works

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>>64157688 (OP)
>Thermite
Aluminum is cheap today, but that's a relatively recent thing. Before modern refining processes were developed in the late 1800's it was worth more than gold.

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Deacquisitioned from the Tower of London Museum, where it once hung above the entryway, these launchers were used primarily by the Royal Marine Artillery on land. The Congreve rocket was a form of rocket artillery designed by British inventor William Congreve and inspired by the rockets of the Tipu Sultan of Mysore, who used them against the British East India Company in the Anglo-Mysore Wars. Congreve rockets were first used in 1806 aboard ship in the bombardment of Boulogne. They initially had a rocket body made of stiff paper, which was later changed to sheet iron. The propulsion used the same ingredients as gunpowder, but the mixture varied according to the size of the rocket. The warheads had side-mounted brackets which were used to attach wooden sticks for stabilization in flight (same principal as modern bottle rockets), the size of which varied according to the size of rocket. Their accuracy was generally poor, with physical effects on the battlefield usually very limited, however, they had a significant psychological effect on

>>64157884
DESCRIPTION
Deacquisitioned from the Tower of London Museum, where it once hung above the entryway, these launchers were used primarily by the Royal Marine Artillery on land. The Congreve rocket was a form of rocket artillery designed by British inventor William Congreve and inspired by the rockets of the Tipu Sultan of Mysore, who used them against the British East India Company in the Anglo-Mysore Wars. Congreve rockets were first used in 1806 aboard ship in the bombardment of Boulogne. They initially had a rocket body made of stiff paper, which was later changed to sheet iron. The propulsion used the same ingredients as gunpowder, but the mixture varied according to the size of the rocket. The warheads had side-mounted brackets which were used to attach wooden sticks for stabilization in flight (same principal as modern bottle rockets), the size of which varied according to the size of rocket. Their accuracy was generally poor, with physical effects on the battlefield usually very limited, however, they had a significant psychological effect on civilians and troops on the receiving end. They were used during the Napoleonic Wars and in America during the War of 1812, where its use at Fort McHenry in 1814 inspired the fifth line of the first verse of the US National Anthem, “The Star-Spangled Banner”: “and the rockets’ red glare, the bombs bursting in air”.

>>64157891
The launcher offered here is reported to be one of 100 produced and features a 15 1/4” long rocket tube of 2” – 2 1/4” diameter (oval rather than round to accommodate the rocket’s attached stick), with hand-painted broad arrow, “G.R.” and the date “1809”; and attached 8 3/4” bayonet of triangular section. The rocket tube is attached to a smaller diameter hollow, tapering iron tube, with attached conical end cap, to allow for the stick of the rocket. This also serves as a shaft to be held by the user. On the side of the rocket tube is a flintlock mechanism, the lockplate with double line border; stamped with broad arrow and crowned “GR” forward of the cock, and “TOWER” behind. The vent hole is especially large and has an attached tube on the inside of the rocket tube to direct the charge to the base of the rocket and also serves to hold the rocket in place. The flintlock mechanism is activated by a long rod enclosed in a protective housing riveted to the body of the launcher and attached to a trigger of traditional form. A sleeve riveted to the tube enclosing the activation rod contains an original vent pick, which may also have been used to pierce the base of the rocket to expose the powder before firing. A large oval sheet iron flash guard is attached forward of the trigger to protect the user. Mechanism functions normally and the launcher is totally complete, retaining its original black paint. Untouched since its period of use, showing age and light scattered rust and pitting. Weighing only 8 pounds (3.6 kg), these launchers could be carried on foot or horseback and access locations inaccessible by traditional artillery. Overall length 99 1/4” (252 cm). A similar launcher, with fewer features and markings, was offered at auction in 2018 with an estimate of $15,000- $20,000. Extremely rare, with exceptional provenance!

>>64157688 (OP)
well there was medival rocket artilery
essentially a pre modern MLRS

>>64157987
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m7kfCZgI3SA

Medieval Handgonne (repro) POV firing

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Reproduction Medieval hand gonne or hand cannon. These were the first real firearms. They were in use from roughly the 12th - 15th century, when they eventually started to be replaced by more sophisticated matchlocks.

Huge thank you to Kevin from @Operator_Inquiries for making some match cord and letting me film it!

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1400's Handgonne - Veteran Arms

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Veteran Arms, the same people who brought me my beloved blunderbuss are now also selling a 1400's era reproduction handgonne. Let's talk about the history of this very early firearm and demonstrate its use.

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Bronze Casting: Making a medieval firearm: The Danzig handgun/handgonne #medievalgunfounder

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#appliedarchaeometallurgy #medievalfirearms In this video archaeometallurgist Dr. Bastian Asmus demonstrates his hypothesis how an early medieval handgonne could have been cast in Bronze using the lost wax method. He also shows how it was fettled, filed and finished. A wooden tiller is made from ash wood.

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Bronzeguss - Guss einer mittelalterlichen Handbüchse nach dem Danzig Handrohr #medievalgunfounder

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#appliedarchaeometallurgy #ancientmetallurgy English version here: • Bronze Casting: Making...

In diesem Video zeigt Archäometallurge Dr. Bastian Asmus, wie im späten Mittelalter eine Handbüchse im Wachsausschmelzverfahren gegossen hätte werden können. Nachdem das Originalwachs modelliert ist, muss die Form aus einem feuerfesten Stoff - hier Formlehm - hergestellt werden. Beim Brennen der Form läuft das Wachs aus der Form und hinterlässt den Formhohlraum im Lehm. In diesen kann die Bronze eingegossen werden. Zur Entformung wird die Form zerschlagen: Die Form ist verloren, jedes Gussstück somit ein Unikat..

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Bronzeguss: Mittelalterliche Handbüchse. Danzig Handrohr. Schleifen und Schäften #medievalgunfounder

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#appliedarchaeometallurgy #ancientmetallurgy English version here: • Bronze Casting: Making...

Im zweiten Teil des Videos zum Handbüchsenguss geht es um das Fertigstellen der Büchse. Grate müssen per Meißel entfernt, die Oberfläche an einigen Stellen mit der Feile und dem Schaber bearbeitet werden. Schließlich muss noch der Eschenschaft gemacht und die Büchse geschäftet werden.
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“God Save The Queen” ahh gun

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Will it work? The medieval multishot handgonne in action - TEASER of part II

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Follow Capandball on the second part of his journey in finding the key to the operation of the machine gun of the medieval times. In this chapter he will be experimenting with meal black powder charges and methods to achieve a delay between the shots when the handgonne is used as a roman candle. The full version is already accessible on Patreon, you can find the link in the description and on the card. Due to content policies, the slightly shortened YouTube version will be online on 20th October 2024, 1 PM central European time.
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Handgonne- the 15th century’s highpoint

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Who would win... the Pope with knights on horseback or some one eyed Czech with cannons on a stick

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Ye Olde Medieval BOOM STICK (The Original Hand Cannon !!!)

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handgonne - a unique breech loader late 15th century #ancientmetallurgy

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#appliedarchaeometallurgy #ancientmetallurgy This virtual reconstruction precedes the experimental reconstruction of the handgonne in this clip. It is thought as an assistance in the of recreating the handgonne production process. The original is cast in a copper alloy, most probably in bronze, though brass cannot be ruled out. For the experiments both alloys will be used. The performance of both alloys will be tested.
The video proposes one way of usage. Feel free to comment and discuss.
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>>64158018
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An information card near this cannon reads:
Hale Rocket Launcher
1846
This was the first type of rocket launcher used by the U.S. Army. Englishman William Hale designed the first spin-stabilized rocket, which used angled exhaust nozzles to cause the rocket to spin in flight. The Hale rocket had a range of 2,000 yards and was considerably more accurate than the earlier Congreve rockets. A rocket brigade of 150 volunteers was organized at Fort Monre, Virginia. First used in combat at the siege of Vera Cruz on March 24, 1847, the rockets were employed until the end of the war.

>>64158097
Rockets were not a new item to in the 19th Century. The biggest problem encountered with rockets was their inaccuracy. A rocket that was designed at the beginning of the 19th Century was called the Congreve Rockets designed by the British. Through use of a long stick, the rocket had a tendency to reduce its inaccuracy. In fact, it is these rockets that are mentioned within Francis Key Scott's Star Spangled Banner.

In the 1840s, along with the realization that a spinning bullet had a longer and more accurate trajectory, William Hale, a British inventor developed the spin to the rocket, there by eliminating the need for the long stick to gain accuracy. His changes were patented in 1844. As afore mentioned, the United States Army began use of the Hale Rocket in the Mexican American War (1846 - 1847). Throughout the American Civil War, continued use of the rockets were spuratically used on both sides of the war. However, the British Army never adopted the use of the Hale Rocket until 1867.

Admission is free, and access to Fort Sill can be done through the visitor's gate. Be sure to have your license, registration and proof of insurance available, because you are almost certain to be asked for. From the gate, you can ask for direction. At you first stop, you can get a map of important sites on the base. Be sure to go to plan additional time to go to the Indian Cemeteries. There you will find the graves of different Indian Tribes, including Geranimo. There are many sites listed on the National Register of Historic Places, from the old fort, cemeteries, and aviation related locations. Fort Sill can easily be a place to visit for a couple hours, or for the entire day.

>>64158102
Location restrictions:
This launcher is located in Fort Sill at the Field Artillery Museum. Access to Fort Sill can be done through the visitor's gate. Be sure to have your license, registration and proof of insurance available, because you are almost certain to be asked for. From the gate, you can ask for direction.

>>64157688 (OP)
>>64157790
https://www.reddit.com/r/war/comments/cv73nn/why_didnt_flintlock_rocket_launchers_ever_take/
https://www.reddit.com/r/weapons/comments/g86dcs/flintlock_rpg/
https://www.reddit.com/r/NonCredibleDefense/comments/uvtpxz/in_an_alternate_timeline_flintlock_rocket/

https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/5svkpv/a_flintlock_grenade_launcher/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-vaPSrF0E0

https://www.militariazone.com/guns-pistols/antique-flintlock-grenade-launcher---18th-century/itm65495

https://www.militariazone.com/general-misc/rare-british-flintlock-congreve-rocket-launcher-early-19th-c/itm75959

https://americanhistory.si.edu/collections/nmah_469453

https://www.alamy.com/bronze-powder-chambers-from-16th-century-and-flintlock-rocket-launchers-1800-in-the-palace-armoury-in-the-grandmaster-palace-in-valletta-malta-image347581068.html

>>64158255
https://youtu.be/5BgRC4KtGxY
https://youtu.be/n6N2IJccZy4?t=2m41s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Siepa2bjkg8
https://borderlands.wikia.com/wiki/12_Pounder
https://www.battlemerchant.com/Firearms-Replicas/Flintlock-muskets/Hand-Mortar-Grenade-Launcher-with-Flintlock::25190.html?language=en

>>64158291
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>>64157790
I fucking hate this guy.

>>64157762
>bomb lance
Im gonna cum

>>64158312
https://www.reddit.com/r/ObraDinn/comments/186vlr2/was_this_a_real_thing_if_so_what_was_it_call/

https://auctions.morphyauctions.com/rare_war_of_1812_british_congreve_system_flintlock-lot452326.aspx

https://royalarmouries.org/collection/object/object-29098

https://royalarmouries.org/collection/object/object-317

>>64157701
>>64158514
UNIQUE WEAPON OF THE MING DYNASTY — HUO JIAN LIU (火箭溜)

Drawing of a Huo Jian Liu (highlighted) as well as its rack and pinion mechanism, from 'Shen Qi Pu (《神器譜》)'.
China was the first civilisation in the world to field rocket weaponry in warfare. Early rocket was nothing more than a simple, black powder-filled paper tube attached to the shaft of an arrow, hence the name Huo Jian (火箭, lit. 'Fire arrow'). Although devastating, primitive unguided rocket could not be aimed like a crossbow or arquebus due to limitations of its launching platforms, and thus had pretty bad accuracy. Chinese military innovators attempted to solve this problem by developing various types of multiple rocket launchers that could shoot large numbers of rockets at once. While this "spray and pray" approach alleviated the accuracy problem somewhat, it was also very wasteful.

During the late 16th century, Ming firearms specialist Zhao Shi Zhen (趙士楨) proposed a much more refined solution to early rocket's accuracy problem in the form of Huo Jian Liu (火箭溜, lit. 'Fire arrow slide'). Huo Jian Liu was, for all intents and purposes, a matchlock gun that shot rocket instead of the usual lead ball, and featured the same barrel, front and rear sight, shoulder stock as well as trigger as an ordinary musket. However, instead of a standard matchlock mechanism, Zhao Shi Zhen equipped the weapon with a Chinese rack and pinion matchlock mechanism identical to that of late Ming variant Lu Mi Chong (嚕密銃). To ensure gunner safety, the matchlock mechanism was mounted at the middle portion of the gun (farther away from the gunner), with a large gun shield installed behind it to deflect rocket backblast.

>>64158532
Huo Jian Liu allowed its user to aim and launch rocket with greater accuracy. It also had greater range, less recoil, and significantly faster rate of fire than typical musket (due to the elimination of pouring powder charge, loading and ramming the ball down the barrel, and priming the flash pan steps in the reloading process). On top of that, the gun was cheaper to manufacture, as it did not need a strong barrel to withstand high chamber pressure, nor ramrod (although this was offset by its more costly rocket ammunition).

Regrettably, Zhao Shi Zhen's invention failed to catch the attention of Ming government, and never went beyond prototype stage.

>>64157688 (OP)
bump

>>64157688 (OP)
Congreves are based and were extensively used.

>>64157688 (OP)
they had explosive artillery shells by the 1800s, they do a lot better of a job at wiping out a whole ass line of soldiers than a rocket grenade or two

>>64158514
https://royalarmouries.org/collection/object/object-305

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BRITISH WAR 1812 NAVAL FLINTLOCK CONGREVE SYSTEM
British War of 1812 Naval Flintlock Congreve Rocket System. Previously deacquisitioned from the Tower of London Museum. The examples were hung above the entryway to the Tower of London Museum. Three of these Congreve Systems were imported into the United States after the deacquisition. Overall length of 99.25". Triangular bayonet mounted to the launcher cup. The bayonet measures 9" long. The cup measures 16" long with a diameter of 2.25". The lock plate is stamped with the British War Department Broad Arrow and Ordnance Crown. The trigger mechanism is approximately 28" away from the lock-plate. The end of the pole features a defensive pike. The three primary purposes of the Naval Congreve System were to launch signal flares, set fire to enemy ships, and to repel enemies from breaching the British borders.
Barrel Length: 15.5"
Condition Report: Very good. The barrel, lockplate and pole all exhibit a uniform patina and wear. There is minor pitting on the metal surfaces. A 3.5" crack on the underside of the lock. There is surface level oxidation on the inside of the cup. Mechanically good.

https://www.reddit.com/r/destiny2/comments/wyvwhw/it_would_be_pretty_cool_if_we_got_a_flintlock/

>>64158255
https://collections.royalarmouries.org/#/objects?search=+Flintlock+rocket+launcher&sort=relevance

https://old.reddit.com/r/destiny2/comments/wyvwhw/it_would_be_pretty_cool_if_we_got_a_flintlock/

https://old.reddit.com/r/NonCredibleDefense/comments/uvtpxz/in_an_alternate_timeline_flintlock_rocket/

https://old.reddit.com/r/whatif/comments/g751q7/what_if_handheld_flintlock_rocket_propelled/

https://old.reddit.com/r/Pathfinder2e/comments/1mpi28c/a_little_help_with_firearms/

https://old.reddit.com/r/blackpowder/comments/1hzsmle/in_your_opinion_what_blackpowder_weapon_is_the/

https://old.reddit.com/r/worldjerking/comments/1l99dvd/firearms_history_is_weird_as_shit/

https://old.reddit.com/r/JailbreakCreations/comments/123bws0/guns_revamped_part_1_revolver_flintlock_shotgun/

>>64162250
Why is the Nock gun on there? It wasn't anything special. Hardly a Mitrailleuse.

what the fuck is this thread, this is awful, buncha copy+paste shit

>>64162373
yeah I dont get it.

>>64162373
>/k/ is a bot board after the ukraine war
lmao

>>64157701
>>64158532
>>64158537
Panzerschreck face gun shield to protect from rocket exhaust backblast.

>>64162652
I hate slavs so much it is unreal.

>>64157790
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>>64157891
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>>64162250
this robofaggot needs to be fucking removed

>Our system thinks your post is spam.
wow, really? not the bot though?????
inb4 i get banned for calling that out

>>64157688 (OP)
You can't write "missile" without writing "miss". Especially with these ancient models that were barely self-stabilizing. They just didn't work well enough.

>>64157688 (OP)
>Thermite is a pyrotechnic composition of a metal powder (typically aluminum) and a metal oxide (such as iron oxide), which produces a highly exothermic, high-temperature reaction when ignited, creating molten metal and the corresponding metal oxide.
Where would they get the aluminum from? Keep in mind that the Bayer process was not invented until 1888.

>>64168106
I don't think the bō-hiya (棒火矢) were rockets at all.

They seem to be firing grenades. There doesn't seem to be a rocket motor, only an explosive or incendiary on the projectile.

>>64168674
I'm 100% sure this is a grenade launcher or incendiary fire arrow launcher, not a rocket launcher.

>>64168692
There is no way this is a rocket. The fuse is far from the rear which seems to be solid.

This is a grenade or bomb shaped like a rocket.

>>64168745
The guns here >>64168106 >>64168674 >>64168689 are grenade launchers.

The Chinese guns here designed by Zhao Shizhen >>64158532 >>64158537 are actually true rocket launchers.

>>64168756
Similar to the bō-hiya (棒火矢), the Chongtong (銃筒) cannon just fired large rocket-shaped arrow with an iron head and four fins

It was not a rocket launcher.

Only the Chinese guns here >>64158532 >>64158537 were rocket launchers.

You cam also see the Chinese guns had a face shield like the Panzerschreck >>64163058 to protect from rocket backblast.

There were no protective shields on the Bō-hiya and Chongtong because they didn't launch rockets so they had no blackbast from their projectiles.

>>64168783
The Chongtong projectile was a big arrow with an iron head and not a rocket.

Incendiary fire arrows aren't rockets if they don't have their own motor for propulsion.

>>64157688 (OP)
Accuracy issues. Blackpowder burns inconsistently, the Venturi effect was only discovered in 1797, contact fuzes were only useful starting in the early 1900s, and we really didn't understand aerodynamics enough to stabilize a rocket until the interwar period.

Until WW2 we basically just launched salvos of rockets downrange to scare the shit out of the enemy. You never knew what a rocket would do after launch.

>>64168792
>So we strapped some iron fins to a log and stuffed it down a cannon barrel.
>Not only did it not explode but the arrow flew farther than the cannon ball.
>Such a shame it's also 10 times the size of a cannonball, we'd never fit all we needed on a cart.

>>64168797
Chinese invented the MLRS rocket cart, huoche or huojian che (火車 火箭車) in the early 15th century (1400s) before the Korean hwacha decades later.

For some reason the Korean hwacha is falsely claimed to be the first mlrs.

>>64169098
Chinese huo che MLRS.

>>64169140
Nest of bees (yi wo feng 一窩蜂) hand held MLRS.

>>64169140
>>64169146
The rockets themselves were called divine engine arrows (shen ji jian 神機箭).

>>64168783
>>64168792
>>64168797

>>64169146
>>64169151

>>64170421
Ming Chinese rocket carts (huoche) appeared in the Jingnan campaign several decades before Korean hwacha.

>>64170520
Korean hwacha appeared later than Chinese huoche.

>>64169146
>>64169151
>>64170421
>>64170581

>>64170642
Traction trebuchet from China.

>>64158532
At some point, the chinese had basically alien technology compared to africans and europeans dwelling in mud huts. What kept them from expanding into a massive Roman-like Empire? Or am I just being a brainlet and severely underestimating the size of ancient chinese empires? It just seems like ancient chinese history is a constant back and forth of dynasties and rises and falls, or, again, am I underestimating the timescale of this history? Roman history seems much more "compact" in comparison
And no, I've never actually sat down and thought about this, I guess it might be time.

>>64170660
>>64170657
Qin dynasty general Meng Tian invaded Ordos loop in Inner Mongolia and expelled the Xiongnu from there.

Han dynasty China conquered the Tarim Basin in Central Asia (Protectorate of the western regions), Korea (Gojoseon) and Vietnam.

Han dynasty general Dou Xian also invaded Outer Mongolia and destroyed the Northern Xiongnu.

Tang dynasty China conquered Outer Mongolia (Protectorate General to Pacify the North), Central Asia (Protectorate General to Pacify the West) and ruled Vietnam already.

Ming dynasty China invaded and conquered Manchuria (Nurgan regional military commission) and Vietnam.

>>64170561
>>64170887

>>64170728
>>64170891

>>64169151
>>64170903

>>64170657
The start of the 3 Kingdoms Era is contemporaneous to the reign of Severus Alexander in Rome. The earliest recorded recipe for gunpowder dates to 1040 during the Song Dynasty which is contemporaneous to the start of the reign of Edward the Confessor in England. The oldest extant cannon discovered dates to 1227 and the Western Xia Empire; this is the same year as the death of Genghis Khan and the establishment of the Papal Inquisition.

>>64171054
>>64171059
Gunpowder mixtures were recorded in Tang dynasty alchemical texts by civilian Daoist alchemists, they record mixing saltpetre with sulpher and charcoal or honey.

The Song dynasty text was the first mention of gunpowder in a military text and explicitly naming the substance.

>>64171054
>>64171070
Gunpowder was first used by Song Chinese in rockets, fire lances, bombs, poison smoke and handgonnes (hand cannon) before it was used in cannons.

That Song military text from the 1040s mentions multiple weapons using gunpowder.

>>64157745
I have good news (if you're American and not sure ex-criminal): https://veteranarms.com/Early-1700s-Grenadier-Hand-Mortar-p207474778

>>64170657
China historically sucks at war. They EVENTUALLY win, but it takes decades or even centuries of back and forth, grinding generational conquering to achieve a final victory. Then their entire society collapses, people resort to mass cannibalism, and they have to rebuild and reconquer all those places again. I think the disconnect you feel is the comparison between Rome and China. Rome had a slow decline and then collapse. China collapsed 3 times before the Byzantines finally gave out.

>>64171070
>>64171077
Yes, and that all irrelevant to the fact that the earliest recorded recipe for gunpowder is from 1044. The earliest recording formula for what technically could be considered gunpowder is from the mid-9th century but the end product isn't viable in the context of weaponry.

/k/ totally isn't a bot, shill and bot-shill infested shithole guys!

>>64171114
The reality is that if you think of China as one continuous culture, society, ethnicity, and/or nation you've fundamentally misunderstood history. Chinese history is more accurately described as "the history of the multiple and frequently overlapping states, cultures, and governments that existed within the territorial confines and adjacent nations of what is considered the modern nation of China."

>>64171121
The difference between a bot and an autist is negligible and /k/ is autistic as fuck.

>>64171138
Now one but the Chinese think it's one continuous civilisation, but in casual conversation it's easier to refer to it as one body.

>>64170827
>>64170833
>>64170833
>>64170838
Maybe the most insanely pointless botting ive ever seen. What the hell is this?

>>64171114
>China historically sucks at war. They EVENTUALLY win, but it takes decades or even centuries of back and forth, grinding generational conquering to achieve a final victory.

Litetally all of the above is bullshit

Qin dynasty China crushed the Xiongnu nomads in their first war and genocided them from the Ordos loop of Inner Mongolia in a lightning campaign lasting a few weeks.

That was the first war between China and nomads.

Qin dynasty then conquered all the Baiyue of southern China in a lightning fast campaign.

Han dynasty China conquered Korea (Gojoseon) and Vietnam in a single war and ruled Korea as the Four commanderies including Lelang commandery.

Tang dynasty China conquered Mongolia from the Eastern Turkic khaganate and conquered Central Asia from the Western Turkic Khaganate in a blitzkrieg campaign under the Tang emperor Taizong.

Tang China ruled Mongolia and Central Asia as protectorates

Taizong was declared as Heavenly Khagan by the defeated Gokturks

Tang dynasty China then massacred a numerically superior Japanese fleet at the battle of Baekgang in 663.

Ming dynasty China defeated the Portuguese at Tamão (Tunmen) in 1521 and Veniaga (Sincouwaan) in 1522

Ming dynasty China crushed numerically superior Japanese at the battle of Noryang in 1598.

Ming dynasty China defeated the Dutch in Pescadores (Penghu) in 1624, at Liaoluo bay in 1633 and in Taiwan at Fort Provintia in 1661 and Fort Zeelandia in 1662.

>>64171138
>The reality is that if you think of China as one continuous culture, society, ethnicity,


Destruction and discontinuity of the of Roman empire while China survives

https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/11937011/#q11940651

China has institutional continuity throughout multiple dynasties with the same government organs and employees and staff passing to the next dynasty from the former one and most dynasties were founded by hereditary nobles appointed by the preceding dynasty or other officials or officers of the preceding dynasty. The Qing was founded by a chief of the Ming created Jianzhou guard and appointed by the Ming emperor.

China also had permanent noble peerage and fiefs like the Kong family which lasted for 2,200 years to this day since every dynasty recognized them and they in turn recognized and gave political legitimacy and continuity. Kong family still hold sacrificial official to Confucius title.

Zero Roman noble families remain today with their peerages and titles.

Zero Roman institutions and government organs remain.

>>64171114
The Byzantines spoke an entirely different language and were an entire different ethnicity from western Romans you retard.

The Byzantines who got crushed by the Arabs and Turks were Greek speaking and made out of Greeks, Slavs and Armenians, totally different from Latins in Italy

Byzantines had multiple dynastic changes and the entire interruption in the Fourth Crusade and sacked of Constantinople by Venice destroying their continuity even before the Ottomans conquered them.

>>64171114
>>64171138
>>64171272

https://archive.is/x42CE#p10107593

Wrong again, liar.

China maintained the same official offices, government organs and noble peerages which were transferred through each dynasty. The oldest example is the noble peerage and fief of Confucius family. The Kong family who were descended from Confucius paternally held the continuous peerage noble title of Lord, Marquis and Duke for 2,200 years from the Qin dynasty to the Qing dynasty in the paternal lineage, every dynasty recognized the peerage, fief which was transferred seamlessly and continuously to the next dynasty. No other country has an office this old and continuous. A lot of government organs and military offices were just transferred. The Qing aquired entire Ming government organs, their original staff and entire Ming military units, provincial and city government organs and staff. The founders of the Qing originated entirely from Ming military guard units (Weisuo), the Aisin Gioro were Ming appointed chiefs of the Jianzhou Jurchens since the late 1400s.

The name Zhongguo (China for the country Hua for the ethnicity and culture existed since the Zhou dynasty 3,000 years ago, and continuously used by succeeding dynasties to refer to the state and the ethnic majority. Each dynasties declared itself the legal successor to the previous in a linear chain stretching to the Zhou and Shang dynasties. When China was divided, the uniting dynasty used it's chain while the other states which failed were not.

Same official language (Classical Chinese) for 3,000 years, same writing system (Chinese characters), same state name (Zhongguo) and same name for the people (Hua), same nobility.

>>64171277
>>64171151
Chinese still has the oldest hereditary noble and religious priestly lineages. The Kong (Confucius), Meng (Mencius), Zeng (Zengzi), Yan (Yan Hui) and Zhang (Zhang Daoling) families. They do noble investitures, the Kong and Zhang did it last in 2008.

The Kong, Meng, Yan and Zeng families all have longer continuously held hereditary titles than the monarchs of Japan. The Kong family's continuously held title is older than the first verified Japanese monarch of the current family by 1,000 years.

The Confucius Kong family are descended in the male line from the Dukes of Song and the Shang dynasty Kings and held noble titles of Duke of Song, Marquis and Duke Yansheng for 3,000 years. The Mencius Meng and Dongye families in the male line are descendants of the Duke of Zhou of the Zhou dynasty Kings and also held various noble titles 3,000 years. The Zengzi Zeng family are descended from the Xia dynasty Kings.

The Zhang family in the male line continously served as Daoist Celestial Masters of the Daoist Tianshi sect for over 2,000 years since Zhang Daoling in.the Han dynasty and are descended from the noble Marquis Zhang Liang 2,200 years ago. They perform the same religious rituals passed down in the male line in the Zhang family and were recognized by all dynasties as religious leaders of the Celestial Master Daoist sect. They lived in the same mansion at Longhu mountain for that time.

Their descendants are all male line descendants and still hold offices and titles today and held noble titles throughout all dynasties in China and they perform the same sacrifices and rituals at their temples. Their male line descendants still live around their home cities and temples and mansions. They are all as old as China's existence.

>>64170648
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>>64171114
Han Chinese conquered and raped the Xiongnu nomads in Mongolia during the Qin dynasty and Han dynasty and conquered and raped the Gokturk Khaganate and Khitan Mongolic nomads in Mongolia during the Tang dynasty, centuries before the Mongol empire.

Han Chinese in the Ming dynasty conquered and raped Jurchens/Manchus and ruled them for 200 years taking Jurchen eunuchs like Yishiha and concubines.

Chinese conquered and raped Mongolia in the Qin dynasty, Han dynasty and Tang dynasty, long before the Mongol empire ever emerged and before Genghis was born.

Han Chinese conquered and raped nomadic empires, Vietnam and Korea multiple times. Korea was conquered by the Han and ruled as the four commanderies and Vietnam was ruled for a millennia and the Qin dynasty, Han dynasty and Tang dynasty all raped the nomads in Mongolia.

https://desuarchive.org/his/search/image/pHt-lhMjXJvRH6pAAr2uOw/

https://desuarchive.org/his/search/image/Vu-PXrGG73bCbuyM8Ibb6Q/

https://desuarchive.org/his/search/image/naOxYW9AkfHZHjVshZlZ2A/

https://desuarchive.org/his/search/image/qdoW12q9DD_dNvh95UaE_g/

https://desuarchive.org/his/search/image/mx00dcPWJm9teliGMnkfrw/

https://desuarchive.org/his/search/image/aJYKiIksnWKkAcVNkgbh3w/

https://desuarchive.org/his/search/image/nfgBvHWuNQv_NoHJxNB76A/

https://desuarchive.org/his/search/image/N4IhdgqiHOUe9kyuo0KVLg/

the first nomadic monuments in Mongolia are steles of butthurt about how China conquered and enslaved them

https://desuarchive.org/his/search/image/K-WuVFsrHmLCgl6kJ46sWw/

https://desuarchive.org/his/search/image/D_8eCaQRwrjUyhP7TqOiew/

https://desuarchive.org/his/search/image/nz89bbmUZWYmn67R2zm0GA/

https://desuarchive.org/his/search/image/WsCQx3zR9L_onMBsdvqY1g/
https://desuarchive.org/his/search/image/F57HIHuYmGA_iuWylbTvJg/

https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/14384109/#q14385989

The Tang dynasty butchered nomadic Mongolic Khitan men and distributed their women and chidren as slaves to their officers and vassals.

>>64171114
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>>64171151
>>64171304
Han Chinese repeatedly conquered and raped Mongolia and Jurchens centuries before the Mongol empire and Qing.

Han Chinese conquered and raped Mongolia centuries before the Mongol empire was founded and Genghis Khan was born. If ruling over a place means everyone in it was raped, then all Mongols are raped cross bred descendants of Han Chinese raping their ancestors.

If Mongols ruling an area makes everyone mixed with Mongols (the Mongols conquered and raped and ruled for centuries all the way to Anatolia and Aleppo and conquered and raped Romania and Korea as well), then all off Asia from Korea to Romania to Iraq and the Syrian cities of Damascus and Aleppo are Mongol hybrids. As well as Austrians and Hungarians.
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>>50520718
>China wasn't subjugated by foreigners. The non-Han dynasties were rebel subjects of preceding Han Chinese dynasties, not foreign invaders.

>The region of Mongolia was raped and conquered by Tang dynasty China centuries before the Mongol empire existed.

https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/10403196

https://desuarchive.org/k/thread/45518168

https://desuarchive.org/k/thread/48235048

>>48235048

>Steppe nomads like the southern Xiongnu, Jie, Di, Qiang, An lushan's rebels and the non-nomadic sedentary farmer Jianzhou Jurchens were all conquered, subjugated and deported as slaves by Han Chinese BEFORE they revolted against they Han masters to establish their own dynasties. China was never conquered by an external political entity.


Since conquest and rule = mass breeding and rape, all Mongols and Vietnamese are crossbred with Han Chinese genes since China ruled Vietnam for 1,000 years and ruled Mongolia for centuries under the Tang dynasty before the Mongol empire.

>>64171308

Koreans were the ones who had to pay tribute in hundreds of thousands of Korean girls to the Mongol empire and Yuan dynasty

>>>/his/13982386
>>>/his/13983292
>>>/his/13983295
>>>/his/13983301
Korean history under the Mongol empire

https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/13220256/#q13220256

>13220256

https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/10828773/#q10828773

>10828773

https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/13043204/#q13043204

>13043204

https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/13067378/#q13067627

>13067627 >13071844

https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/12011702/#q12011702

>12011702

https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/13277598/#q13277598

>13277598

>13231351
https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/9505389/#q9508255

>9508255

https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/13205503/#q13208522

>13208522

https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/13089506/#q13092548

>13092548


https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/13378501/#q13384800

>13384800

https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/13876154/#q13876415

>13876415

https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/13740348/#q13744483

>13744483

https://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/20/arts/20iht-MELIK20.html

In the ethnically diverse court entourage, jewelry was influenced by far away Iran. The gold filigree ornaments with turquoise-colored insets found in the tomb of an official called Shi Gang are derived from Iranian models. Shi Gang’s father was Chinese but his mother came from the north Asian Jurchen people. An epitaph in the tomb further reveals that his wife belonged to the Turkic Kerait community. The hairpin, the earring and the two rings recovered from the funerary chamber were hers.
Shi Gang’s father had had four spouses. One was Chinese, two were Jurchen and one was Korean. Another large tomb in the Shi family burial ground yielded a Korean celadon porcelain jar of the 13th century.

>>64171308
>>64171320
Clearer image about the Koreans

>>64171138
>>64171151
>>64171114
>Then their entire society collapses, people resort to mass cannibalism, and

You mean like Romans when the Romans got raped and conquered by barbarians?

>In 134 BCE, during the Roman Republic's siege of Numantia, instances of cannibalism occurred.[22]
>During the First Mithridatic War (89–85 BCE), Roman general Sulla laid siege to Athens, which was loyal to Mithridates VI of Pontus at the time. Threatened by starvation, Athenians resorted to cannibalism both according to the classical writer Appian and modern archaeological efforts.[23]

>After Caesar's assassination, during the period of the Second Triumvirate in 43 BCE, the relatives of the writer Cicero were persecuted. His brother Quintus Tullius Cicero was betrayed by his own freedman Philologus. In revenge, Quintus's wife Pomponia ordered that Philologus be punished by cruel torture, which included forcing him to cut off pieces of his own flesh, then roasting and eating them.[27]

>According to Tacitus in his Agricola, around 82 CE, a mutiny broke out among the Usipetes, a Germanic tribe that had been conscripted into the Roman army. They seized Roman ships and, after running out of provisions at sea, resorted to cannibalism by drawing lots to choose which crew members to eat.[29][30]
St. Jerome, in his treatise Against Jovinianus, claimed that the British Attacotti were cannibals who regarded the buttocks and breasts of humans as delicacies.[31]

>>64171138
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>>64172595
>Starving Romans may have eaten human flesh before the sack of Rome (painting by Joseph-Noël Sylvestre, 1890)
In 409, the Visigoths under the command of Alaric I took control of Rome by convincing the Romans to install Priscus Attalus as usurper instead of the legitimate emperor Honorius. In order to regain control, Honorius blockaded the city's ports, and in the resulting famine "some persons were suspected of having partaken of human flesh", as the historian Sozomen writes.[32] Angry at having lost the city, Alaric laid siege to Rome again, finally conquering and sacking it. According to St. Jerome's account, the siege led to another cruel famine, in which "the starving people had recourse to hideous food and tore each other limb from limb that they might have flesh to eat. Even the mother did not spare the babe at her breast." He also describes the sack as very brutal, claiming that "numberless" citizens were killed. Procopius likewise writes that "the Romans ... being destroyed by hunger and other suffering ... were tasting each other's flesh". Another contemporary historian, Orosius, "painted a very different picture, reporting that the sack involved little if any loss of life" and not mentioning any cannibalism. It is unclear which source is closer to the truth, but archaeological evidence shows that few buildings were destroyed, pointing to a relatively mild sack. On the other hand, the city's population shrank from 800,000 inhabitants before the sieges to less than half of that nine years later.[33]
>Around 410 CE, during the Suebi tribe's invasion of Iberia, their plundering caused widespread famine, leading to incidents of cannibalism. Some parents killed their own children for food, while neighbours reportedly boiled and ate one another.[34]

>>64171138
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>>64171114
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>>64172597
>In 503, during the Persian siege of the Byzantine city of Amida, there were reports of women having to cook human flesh mixed with leather from shoes.[35]
>In 536, during a famine under the rule of the Ostrogoths in Italy, the early papal records recount that in the region of Liguria, some mothers ate their own children due to extreme hunger.[36] Similar incidents were recorded in 539 in the Emilia-Romagna region.[37]
In 546, during the Ostrogothic siege of Piacenza in Italy, cases of cannibalism were reported.[38]

>>64172600
https://onlineitalianclub.com/welcome-to-the-byzantine-empire-plagues-famines-and-cannibalism/

>>64171151
>>64171138
>>64171114
>China collapsed 3 times before the Byzantines finally gave out.

Dynastic changes aren't collapse retard. The founder of Cao Wei was a noble of the Han dynasty and the Han emperor abdicated to him after a coup.

Romans and Byzantines changed dynasties dozens of times with coups and civil wars and the Roman empire got divided multiple times in its civil wars.

If that's not "collapse" then neither are dynastic changes in China.

Huns, Alans and Germanics raped the western Roman empire

Arabs raped half of Byzantine and then Crusaders raped Constantinople itself in the Fourth Crusade.

The Byzantines after the Fourth Crusade were a neo-Byzantine state with no continuity to the previous one before the sack ofbConstantinople..

Then Ottomans finished off their city starw in Constantinople (can't even be called empire).

Byzantines and Western Romans spoke entirely different languages and were different ethnicities

Even Western Roman empire was a mutt soup of various ethnicities, they had North African and Syrian emperors like the Severans (Septimus Severus) and Philip the Arab.

Romans stationed Black Ethiopian, Iraqi, Syrian and Algerian North African soldiers at Hadrian's wall in Britain.

>>64171151
>>64171138
>>64171114
>>64172621

Mystery meat Romans.

https://twitter.com/lukeejm/status/1434552813753880578

Assyrian history at Hadrian’s Wall, c.180 AD! The tombstone of Regina. She was the wife of Barates, a standard-bearer from Palmyra (3,000 miles away). Inscribed in Latin and Aramaic, the Aramaic reads: “Regina, the freedwoman of Barates”. Assyrian history never fails to surprise!


https://www.aramcoworld.com/Articles/July-2017/Hadrian-s-Syrians-1

https://archive.aramcoworld.com/issue/197602/a.walk.in.the.lebanon.htm

https://www.face'book.com/aramcoworld/posts/6274351409257766?locale2=sw_KE

https://www.theguardian.com/culture/charlottehigginsblog/2009/oct/13/hadrians-wall

https://romansinscotland.com/2020/06/21/when-syrians-algerians-and-iraqis-patrolled-hadrians-wall-books-the-guardian/

https://www.aramcoworld.com/Articles/July-2017/Hadrian-s-Syrians-1

Ancient Arabs from Palmyra invaded Britain with the Romans before the Anglo-Saxons came. There is a Roman fort in northeast England called Arbeia which means the "Fort of the Arab troops."

https://www.aramcoworld.com/Articles/July-2017/Hadrian-s-Syrians-1
https://englandsnortheast.co.uk/roman-south-shields-arbeia/

we wuz British n shiet

whites

>>64172621
Also Ethiopian referred to all sub-Saharans at this time and not just the horn African Abyssinians.

https://blog.twmuseums.org.uk/africans-on-hadrians-wall-world-heritage-site/

https://www.cumbriacountyhistory.org.uk/first-recorded-african-community-britain-background-burgh-sands

https://www.blackpast.org/global-african-history/africans-hadrians-wall/

https://research.reading.ac.uk/research-blog/2017/07/28/how-diverse-was-roman-britain

Romans had black soldiers in the UK.

>>64157762
The bomb lance is basically a punt gun for whales

>>64172972
The bait was impressive. Mere 3 singular offhand comments that conflate the cope of eternal China and he flies off his hinges.

The seethe continues after years of it's initial birth, yet never will the schizo convince himself or anyone else for that matter of his pathetic cope.

>>64173698
He proved that the both the western and eastern Roman empire was raped to death by barbarians beyond recognition multiple times before the final Ottoman conquest of Byzantium.

You were the one trying to cope and got enraged by this >>64170657 trying to claim muh eternal Rome.

>>64173698
Your three comments weren't offhand

You got enraged that someone insulted Rome and said Europeans lived in mud huts which is why you started seething and claiming Rome lasted forever and that the Byzantines (who spent most of their time getting raped by Arabs and Turks) lasted longer.

You falsely claimed Romans, infamous for having multi ethnic emperors and whose East spoke an entirely different language, was monoethnic and homogenous and claimed that China wasn't.

It's your posts that wwre pure seethe by the Europeans in mud huts bait >>64170657

>>64167680
kill all clankers.
love no cogsucker.
destroy wirebacks.
I hate roboniggers

>>64157790
Sounds cool
>>64157813
>>64157836
>>64157864
ok nevermind fuck you

OP - you guys, grenade launchers!
NO, THREAD IS CHINKS
KOREA RAPE
IMAGE SPAM
CHIIIIIIIIINKS!!

also feels like a /his/ autism fest

>>64157688 (OP)
A burst of posts within minutes that paste entire page boilerplate instead of writing anything: YouTube descriptions with “Subscribe / Become a member,” Eventbrite blurbs, and even Flickr UI text like “Back to photostream” and “Comments (0).” Normal users don’t hand-type that cruft.
4chan

Another dump is a long antique-store product page complete with “ADD TO CART,” price, SKU, etc.—again, zero commentary, just scraped catalog text.
4chan

The cadence is botty: multiple consecutive posts 16:27 16:34, then another rapid series 18:34 18:38 pushing Smithsonian images and a Pinterest link with one-liners. That’s classic scripted queue behavior.
4chan
+1

Other anons in-thread call it out as “copy+paste” and even joke that “/k/ is a bot board,” which tracks with what you’re seeing.
4ch

>>64170822
>>64170827
>>64170833
>>64170838
this is fucking dogshit

>>64170657
China was too busy being under Pax Mongolica to innovate militarily at the speed other nations did.

Like this guy points out (>>64171054), gunpowder projectiles spread very quickly from the first grenades and artisanal cannons in the 1200s to the matchlock industry in the 1400s. 200 years is ridiculous for a new technology in the days before interocean trade.

By the time matchlock gun was first made every important nation on earth (that had / could import the resources) was totting gunpowder. Even the mongols adopted the cannon at some point. But it wasn't a game-changing factor in war. Italians coming with the matchlock in the 1300s was the real game-changer and absolutely demolished any military it came across.

Less than 100 years later it was being adopted en masse in warlord era japan, to the point the only thing that stopped them from conquering china was not having a real navy.

>>64174179
lmao it's true. there's even an inverse anti-china schizo

>>64174922
>to the point the only thing that stopped them from conquering china

The Ming army stopped Japan in Korea on land, in addition to crushing the numerically superior Japanese navy at Noryang.

Japan had a navy, but it was complete shit at fighting and got massacred by numerically inferior Tang Chinese and Ming Chinese ships.

Japan sped run its troops into Korea to try to attack the Ming via land but failed.

Keep in mind retard, that Japan didn't have tanks, airplanes, mustard gas during the Ming dynasty.

They were not going to crush the Ming with muskets (which the Ming already had)

>>64175379
>in addition to crushing the numerically superior Japanese navy at Noryang.
Shitty peasant boats are not a navy zhang.
Cannon capable Korean warships are what decimated the Japanese. Japs literally never, ever built a warship. They didn't know how. If Toyotomi wasn't such on such a shitty domestic position maybe they could have made a couple boxes with cannons, but it simply didn't happen.

While on land, Japs absolutely raped everyone but ended up running out of supplies and unable to get to Korean nobility bunkering up in an island fortress because of the aforementioned KOREAN navy blocking them out.

>They were not going to crush the Ming with muskets (which the Ming already had)
Statistically speaking, Japs in 1480 had more hand guns than the entire planet put together.

There's a nice youtube docuseries about it, can't remember the name. On paper Korea was absolutely getting conquered until one general remembered he had a fortified cannon ship on his naval garrison and completely cut off japan's army from the mainland. gg no re.

>>64174922
>gunpowder projectiles spread very quickly from the first grenades

Your post is all lies

First gunpowder weapons including bombs were invented in Song China in the 1000s, over two centuries before the 1200s.

The Song used bombs in its wars against the Jin in the 1100s.

>Even the mongols adopted the cannon at some point

Han Chinese generals in the Mongol army like Guo Kan and Shi Tianlin were the Ines using cannons and rockets and fire lances

Han Chinese troops under Guo Kan participated in the Mongol sack of Baghdad. Han siege engineers also launched rockets and bomb throwing catapults.

Han Chinese troops under Shi Tianlin participated in the Mongol invasion of Europe.

Chinese gunpowder weapons were deployed at Mohi and Legnica, with clouds of poisonous gunpowder smoke paralysing Hungarian and German knights as the Mongols routed the European armies.

Gunpowder and gunpowder weaponry spread with Chinese troops and generals in the Mongol army into Europe and the Middle East.

Chinese invented the bomb, rocket, fire lance, handcannon and cannon.

The bomb, rocket, fire lance were invented long before the 1200s.

All these Chinese weapons were adopted in Europe and the Middle East, there are pictures of European knights with fire lances.

>>64175390
>Cannon capable Korean warships are what decimated the Japanese.

Bullshit. The Chinese navy slaughtered the Japanese at both Baekgang and Noryang

Chen Lin had to rescue admiral Li when he got surrounded by Japanese.

https://greatmingmilitary.blogspot.com/2024/06/movie-review-noryang-deadly-sea.html


https://greatmingmilitary.blogspot.com/2019/08/critique-samuel-hawley-p1.html

https://greatmingmilitary.blogspot.com/2019/08/critique-samuel-hawley-p2.html

>>64175390
>>64175401

This is what happen when you learn history from Korean nationalist films and Samuel Hawley.

https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/14478065/#q14482355


Virgin Hawley : Balding manlet with no hair who makes up alt history and fanfiction in his head about how Korea could have been a great military power and how Spain could have, would have should have conquered China.

Chad reality: Korean girls got mass raped by Japanese in the Imjin war and Spanish governor general got their heads chopped off like animals and hoisted on pikes by Chinese and Spain permanently lost Maluku because of Chinese.


Also chad reality : Spanish invasion force in Cambodia got slaughtered to a handful of men by Malays and Chams.

Spain failed to conquer several Moro Muslim sultanates for hundreds of years. Spain failed to annex Brunei.

>>64175390
>Japs literally never, ever built a warship

Japan had 900 years since the battle of Baekgang to figure out how.

Tang dynasty China massacred the Japanese navy at Baekgang with zero Korean naval ships helping.

Japan had centuries to prepare its navy.

>>64174922
>>64175398
The furst gunpowder projectiles were co-vitiatives in fire lances invented by Chinese before the 1200s

Later the fire lance led to both handcannons, cannons and rockets.

The Mongol invasions of Europe abd Middle East spread gunpowder.

The Yuan army also slaughtered Japanese on Hakata Beach in the first invasion of Japan

Only the kamikaze storm defeating the Yuan fleet saved Japan.

Japanese only learned how to build the arquebus when a Japanese blacksmith gave his daughter Wakasa to Portuguese men to teach him how.

Portuguese curbstomped the Japanese at the battle of Fukuda bay.

Ming China defeated the Portuguese at Tamão and Veniaga, capturing Portugiese ships, breech loading swivel cannon (folangji) and arquebus muskets.

China reverse engineered the captured muskets and breech loader cannon from the defeated Portuguese.

The Japanese blacksmith pimped his own daughter to the victorios Portuguese who crushed Japanese in battle, to teach him musket making.

Stone age Khoisan defeated Portuguese at the battle of salt river.

While Portuguese crushed Japanese.

>>64174922
>>64175409
Ming China also defeated the Dutch on land and at sea.

At sea in the Pescadores, Liaoluo bay and Taiwan.

On land, also at Taiwan, when Ming Chinese halberdiers and archers massacred several hundred Dutch musketeers led by Dutch captain Tomas Pedel in the field outside of Fort Zeelandia

The Dutch musketeers started dropping their rifles and fleeing back to Fort Zeelandia for safety behind its walls.

Chinese soldiers with halberd pole arms and arrows massacred musket men.

>>64175398
>First gunpowder weapons including bombs were invented in Song China in the 1000s, over two centuries before the 1200s.
not archeologically attested
we don't know if these were used as gimmicks by a single military complement instead of a standard, mass-produced army tool like italians and japs did. hint: it wasn't, the japs decimated all they came across on land until they ran out of supply.

>Han Chinese generals in the Mongol army like Guo Kan and Shi Tianlin were the Ines using cannons and rockets and fire lances
So the mongols appropiated their tech? thank you for proving my point.

>noryang
Korea had already won the war by then. Japs where crippled.

>>64175423
firlances were rockets.

projectiles = you propel them in a single burst of energy. bombs, cannons, guns. nothing else. All those first appear in the 1200s.

>The bomb, rocket, fire lance were invented long before the 1200s.
I'm not disputing their invention, but their spread and military usage.

Don't confuse a gimmick with a standard, proven military weapon. You are on /k/, not on /his/.

>>64175457
>we don't know if these were used as gimmicks by a single military complement instead of a standard

>Gunpowder technology also spread to naval warfare and in 1129 Song decreed that all warships were to be fitted with trebuchets for hurling gunpowder bombs.[19] Older gunpowder weapons such as fire arrows were also utilized. In 1159 a Song fleet of 120 ships caught a Jin fleet at anchor near Shijiu Island (石臼島) off the shore of Shandong peninsula. The Song commander "ordered that gunpowder arrows be shot from all sides, and wherever they struck, flames and smoke rose up in swirls, setting fire to several hundred vessels."[21] Song forces took another victory in 1161 when Song paddle boats ambushed a Jin transport fleet, launched thunderclap bombs, and drowned the Jin force in the Yangtze.[21]

>So the mongols appropiated their tech?

Han generals leading Han soldiers were directly participating in the rape operations in Hungary and Baghdad.

It wasn't Mongols firing the fire lances or catapulting the bombs.

Mongols never built weapons like that themselves, they still recruited Han craftsmen in the Ming dynasty and married off Mongol women to them.

>firlances were rockets

Fire lances were not rockets retard.

They were tubes made of paper, bamboo or metal attached to spears that first spewed burning gunpowder exhaust to burn enemies

Later, poison and co-vitiative projectiles like iron pellets and stones were added so it spewed them at the enemy on addition to flaming exhaust.

It was when the diameter of the iron pellet matched the width of the fire lance barrel, that the handcannon was born, and the pellet became the main projectile rather than a covitiative

If you don't know what a co-vitiative is you need to go back to /his/

>Korea had already won the war by then. Japs where crippled.

Korea is the only country to have lost a naval battle to Japan before the Meiji restoration, the battle of Chilcheollyang in the Imjij war.

>>64175457
>Don't confuse a gimmick

Those weapons were standard equipment issued to the Song army and navy according to Wujing Zongyao and Book of Song and other accounts.

>>64175457.

>we don't know if these were used as gimmicks by a single military complement instead of a standard

Wrong

>Gunpowder technology also spread to naval warfare and in 1129 Song decreed that all warships were to be fitted with trebuchets for hurling gunpowder bombs.[19] Older gunpowder weapons such as fire arrows were also utilized. In 1159 a Song fleet of 120 ships caught a Jin fleet at anchor near Shijiu Island (石臼島) off the shore of Shandong peninsula. The Song commander "ordered that gunpowder arrows be shot from all sides, and wherever they struck, flames and smoke rose up in swirls, setting fire to several hundred vessels."[21] Song forces took another victory in 1161 when Song paddle boats ambushed a Jin transport fleet, launched thunderclap bombs, and drowned the Jin force in the Yangtze.[21]
>So the mongols appropiated their tech?

Han generals leading Han soldiers were directly participating in the rape operations in Hungary and Baghdad.

It wasn't Mongols firing the fire lances or catapulting the bombs.

Mongols never built weapons like that themselves, they still recruited Han craftsmen in the Ming dynasty and married off Mongol women to them.

>firlances were rockets

Fire lances were not rockets retard.

They were tubes made of paper, bamboo or metal attached to spears that first spewed burning gunpowder exhaust to burn enemies

Later, poison and co-viative projectiles like iron pellets and stones were added so it spewed them at the enemy on addition to flaming exhaust.

It was when the diameter of the iron pellet matched the width of the fire lance barrel, that the handcannon was born, and the pellet became the main projectile rather than a coviative

If you don't know what a co-viative is you need to go back to /his/

>Korea had already won the war by then. Japs where crippled.

Korea is the only country to have lost a naval battle to Japan before the Meiji restoration, the battle of Chilcheollyang in the Imjij war.

Mongols gave Korean women to Han Chinese men

https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/15308781/#q15312019

Han generals like Shi Tianze's sons married Mongol women, like Menggu Baer's daughter and a Kerait woman.

https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/15308781/#q15311981

https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/15308781/#q15311978

Genghis Khan raped Jurchen (Manchus)

https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/15308781/#q15311975

Mongols mass raped Koreans, Tibetans, Uyghurs, Austrians.


The Mongols raped and killed millions of Jurchens and Tanguts.

Northern Han generals literally defected to Genghis to help him rape the Jurchens.

Shi Bingzhi, Guo Baoyu, Zhang Rou, Liu Heima

Shi Bingzhi and his son Shi Tianze took Jurchen wives and Korean wives

Shi Tianze's sons Shi Gang and another married Mongol wives (a Kerait and the daughter of Menggu Baer)

Kublai Khan gave Korean women as wives to Southern Song Han Chinese soldiers who defected.

Korea was conquered and raped by Mongols, who gave Korean women to Han men and Semu Hui men.

Least obsessed chinaman

>>64178017
He's just mad everyone knows he makes americans look purebred

>>64178033
Arab and Berber Moors raped Spain for 700 years and Sicily as well, Carthage raped Spain, Sicily and Italy before that.

Attila the Hun mass raped all Germanic tribes including ancestors of Anglo Saxons.

The Mongols, Ottoman Turks all mass raped all of Hungary and Austria east of Vienna.

Mongols killed and raped half of Hungary's population

Ottoman Turks raped the Austrian countryside while besieging Vienna.

>>64178033
You're a Moor-Turk-Hun mutt hybrid.

Iranic Alans also raped Spain between the Moors and Carthage.

Mongol Crimean Khanate lasted in southern Ukraine for centuries until 1783.

Crimean Khanate participated in Ottoman conquest of Hungary and rape raids on eastern Austria.

I cant believe how pathetic the Chinese are holy crap. I had no idea it was this bad. I thought they were just bad at war and stuck with the ugliest women in east asia but apparently theyre so insecure they have a book of grudges for freaking hungary and austria.

Oh what's this? A thread with a mad chink?
These are always fun, let's see what kind of impotent seething we get to laugh at today.

Clock's ticking, turtle egg. If you want Taiwan you've got maybe 5 years to do it before the rot that started with Chairman "Great Reap (of the Chinese people) Forward" Mao has it's consequences fully hit. But who knows, maybe Pooh Bear will die before then and the whole house of cards collapse?

Hungarian descended Amerimutts and Canadians descended from Mongol and Ottoman rape are the ones obsessed with China.

https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/17729058/#q17729298

https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/17507888/#q17507888

Chinese were in the Mongol army they invaded Hungary.
https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/12011702/#q12012885

>>64179685
> it before the rot that started with Chairman "Great Reap

Taiwan and South Korea both have lower birthrates than China and are entering catastrophic demographic collapse.

>>64179691
Ok, how does that solve your own demographic problems?

>>64179688
Take your retarded historical ass pulls somewhere else retard

>>64179709
Military judge Shi Tianlin was in the Mongol Golden Horde army when they did their rape campaigns in Hungary in the first Mongol invasion of Hungary and eastern Austria

Chinese poison gunpowder smoke was used at the battle of Legnica and at Mohi against the Hungarians.

The chinaman is acting like a dog lmao

>>64179748
And the mongol empire only had lasted for only 130 something years

>>64179748
>Chinese poison gunpowder smoke was used at the battle of Legnica and at Mohi against the Hungarians.

No it wasn't lmao.