Thread 64158734

Is it unironically over for owning 7.62/5.45? The past 3-4 years has basically solidified the fact we won't ever get russian ammo again.

>>64158734 (OP)
yeah

It's been over for awhile. Writing was on the wall 10 years ago when the rifle imports went away and later the 7n6.

>>64158734 (OP)
Where are all the ammo smugglers when you need them?

>>64158775
Trafficking anything firearm related worldwide opens you up to all sorts of INTERPOL investigations.

>>64158734 (OP)
I have multiple cases of this tiger crap I bought circa 2017. Part of me wants to sell it, part of me thinks it'll get even more valuable. I don't even own an ak.

You can reload for 7.62x39 and 7.62x54r

>>64158814
And 5,45 (if you have the dies)

I have 1k round of golden tiger and no one to sell it to. This sucks. Buddy keeps saying he'll buy some but never happens

I've been out of the loop for a while. Is it the Russia/Ukraine conflict that is taking all the ak ammo?

Whatever happened to the common ones like wolf, brown bear, tulammo, golden tiger, red army standard?

>>64158778
They got people smuggling fenty over the border, surely we can get a few crates of 7n6 from Canada or Mexico right?

>>64158873
It's because we aren't importing it anymore because sanctions I think. The ammos still out there and the factories are still running.

>>64158887
Just did a quick read, 2021 sanctions. What have you all been doing for ak ammo for these past few years then? I assume the other eastern european countries filled the void or some us companies have made steel cased ammo?

good should have stuck with the
STANDARD
or learn to reload

>>64158734 (OP)
>7.62x39
no
>5.45
yes

>>64158734 (OP)
S&G got a shipment of Tulammo 5.45 in back in 2023 and the price wasn't bad. I bought what I thought at the time to be more than I should have, but in retrospect I realize that I didn't buy nearly enough.

There is a non-zero chance that we won't see Russian ammunition again in our lifetimes. Even in a best case scenario, it's going to be at least a couple of years before the Ukraine thing gets straightened out, sanctions get relaxed, and Russia builds up enough excess inventory to where they're comfortable selling some of it off.

>>64158882
Drug addicts don’t overthrow governments or the established order. Armed and organized militants sometimes can. Thats why.

7.62x39 is still common and it’s not THAT expensive. Just more expensive than the Trump slump.

>>64158734 (OP)
>No more ziggerslop
This is fantastic!

>>64158921
>yugo m67
>tela ammo
>leftover Russian stock

Jesus, just checked wikiarms and 7.62x39 is about 50 cpr. That's insane

Glad I bought 10 cases of 5.45 one christmas. I just never run out. I think I've maybe shot 2 thousand rounds of nearly 12000 rounds in 10 or 12 years.

>>64159107
2/10 made me reply

>>64158764
Rifle imports were bad, but back then the Bulgarians still made stamped guns along with Romania and the guns were cheap. The death knell was someone making a 5.45 pistol that killed 7n6 imports (much of which came from Ukraine) and the Russian sanctions that killed 7.62x39.

>>64158983
Whether it will happen or not is anyone's guess, but the Russians will be eager to soften the landing when their economy goes into recession after the war and exporting something they're tooled up to produce en masse like firearms and ammo would make some sense. The strategic stockpiles they need to replenish are things like armored vehicles, artillery and missiles, not necessarily small arms and ammo, so it might make sense to keep that industry humming along if possible. Whether the US would go for it is another question entirely.

>>64158863
what caliber and what state?

>>64158856
Non-reloader here. Is there 5.45 brass available?

>>64158734 (OP)
Maybe the arsenal in Transnistria will be captured, and the ammo sold in the West.
Maybe...

>>64158873
Well a good chunk of 5.45 import got cut because some dickwad made a AK-74 pistol and told the ATF to get 7n6 banned due to it now being an armor piercing pistol caliber.
After that, 5.45 became harder to come by.

>>64158734 (OP)
>at LGS circa 2020
>holy shitballs they have two NDM86s
>"yeah Mr Boomer died and his kids dumped them here. You interested?"
>one is 308, one is 54r
>initially think I'd want 54r to be more authentic, but owner convinces me 308 is generally better due to a wider off the shelf ammo selection
>get the 308 one for $5k
>it's an absolute blast to shoot
>it can shoot sub-MOA with good loads
>mfw made the right choice
>mfw didn't get boned by the 54r drying up

>>64159107
Nigger faggot.

>>64161388
Sexy rifle and 308 was a great choice.

>>64161388
Getting good 7.62x54 instead of milsurp trash made for MGs would have made it nearly as expensive as .308 anyway.

>>64161388
It's bittersweet seeing other people live out your dreams.
Happy for you anon. That's a great price too.

>>64158734 (OP)
The 7n6 ban killed it. ARfags refused to fight the ban even though ak owners were telling them m855 was next. As soon as the 7n6 ban went through they went after 855. Damn lucky we didn't lose that too.

So I'll ask here, I'm about to get my first ak. What's the best cheap non corrosive ammo to buy? I don't really want to fuck around with tula or any of that surplus crap that could fuck up my barrel if I don't clean the shit out of it every time but I'm not seeing any Winchester white box or Remington green box in 762x39.

>>64162481
Most modern surplus is non-corrosive.

It’s bad relative to what it used to be, now 5.45, 7.62x39 and 5.56 are all in the same ballpark. It’s only over if you shot exclusively for the price. It’s not like we’re seeing $0.25 5.56 and $2.00 5.45

>>64158734 (OP)
Why did you use the word "unironically"? Sounds like a /k/id word used by the underagers here.

>>64162504
Even if the price is similar at times the quality of the 762x39 ammo is much worse. Still a very fun round to shoot and a fan fav when I bring people out to shoot. I hope we can end the Ukraine war and reopen arms trade with Russia/Ukraine even if it is extremely unlikely.

>>64162605
You might have had a point 10 years ago

>>64162626
>we cannot already trade with ukraine even though we help them
is this true

>>64162644
I mean they can sell us cheap bulk ammo and guns because the war is done. You can buy things from Ukraine now but of course its not cheap like it was.

Is the idea of affordable American manufacture of the stuff a pipe dream?

>>64158882
Government wants you on drugs. Drugs are a great way of controlling people. A drug addict is a threat to individuals, not the state. Intelligent, armed and caring people are.

>>64162663
America is fucked bro our Jewish oligarchs are too greedy to make anything nice and cheap here. AAC is the best example of what you are looking for and they aren't the best or cheap but I hope for the best for AAC in the future since they are trying to do it right.

>>64162605
Its not 2012 anymore

>>64162704
It’s a damn shame. Things could be so much better.

>>64162605
Holy newfag

>>64162481
>I'm about to get my first ak.

Don'.t

>What's the best cheap non corrosive ammo to buy?

Your PSA shitbox's receiver will beat itself to death before that's relevant even without cleaning.\

>finna doit

Zastava 556 so you actually will/can use it.

>>64158734 (OP)
I don't know. Let's see what happens at the end of the Russo-Ukrainian War. Assuming Ukraine survives, which is seeming more probable, I think there's a good chance that there could be a "resetting" of relations with Russia, even if President Putin remains in power. President Trump seems to want improve relations with Russia, and Trump is the most Russia-friendly president of the century so far. I think as an incentive to cease hostilities in Ukraine, Trump could offer Putin sweeping rollbacks of American sanctions that could enable Russian firearms and ammo to enter the country again as part of those rollbacks. Although, if Ukraine is totally conquered by Russia, I think the odds of normalizing relations is almost zero, at least for the next 10 to 25 years, and hence, 7.62 and 5.45 AKs could be difficult to shoot economically unless some other low labor-cost country picks up the slack. IDK, just my thoughts.

>>64162971
>if ukraine gets stomped, jews will seethe and we will have good things taken away yet again
always the case

>>64162663
you vill buy the $400 AR-15 in 5.56 and a $300 plastic striker 9mm and you vill like it

>>64162971
trump won't outlast Ukraine in the office so no matter how much he polishes russian shoes with his tongue he won't change anything in the future, only aggravate and annoy the steadily expanding republicans who recognize russia for what it is.

>>64163044
NTA but don't be so certain. This war is in the home stretch. 1-2 years tops.

>>64159142
PSA has em for 45cpr. You might be able to find it cheaper than that.

>>64158734 (OP)
Funnily enough i just got my first norinco sks today. All of the 7.62x39 i bought with it was made in Russia. Proud of that purchase. Originally went in to buy a box of 44 magnum but saw it sitting on the counter in all it's gift for 400$ bipod and all. Whatever creature had it last converted it to take duckbill mags so I'll have to refit a fixed mag in there. Otherwise perfect.

>>64158734 (OP)
Idk I bought 5 cases of PSA SSTs when they had a sale last year for 51cpr, I have several cases of 8m3 and miscellaneous imported steel case. Due to inflation I think the days of 7cpr steel case are over forever. Imported steel case is now more expensive than PSA zinc washed steel case
>>64161388
Very nice
>>64162481
Get an XCR instead so you can swap to 5.56 or 6arc when x39 reaches price parity with 6meme and you're stuck bagholding with an AK that's as expensive as 308 to feed

>>64163048
I'd give it two weeks, more or less. 14 days, if you will. Ask me this in a month and this will still be my answer.

>>64163173
Based and chynapilled

>>64163281
How did china treat the export stocks of SKSs?

Mine is shiny like yours I’m curious what they did to the stocks for future restoration on other stocks

>>64163281
>>64163173
norinco gang
ive got a norinco paratrooper. 16" version of the SKS

>>64162933
>Don'.t

I already have an AR I'm happy with and plenty of ammo and 4 pistols and their ammo. I haven't bought a gun 3 years and wanted to get something fun, I want it to be my main gun but im okay with not having a ton of ammo or shooting it a lot of it's too expensive as I still have the ar. Any other reason not to?
>>64163188
No I'm not buying a boring stupid ugly heavy fucking xcr at 3x the price of a cool ak.

>>64158734 (OP)
They started importing that through Turkmenistan or some shit under a different name and box. Russians are quite resilient.

>>64163027
This is a gay setup but I can accept it with a .308 AR, even the military admits battle rifles are superior. 7.62x39 will remain the best intermediate round. Does everything 7.62x51 does except doesn't go as far.

>>64166524
How much meth did you smoke before posting this pile of shit?

>>64166248
>XCR too heavy
>wants AK
Ah I understand, you just suffer from retardation. Even more inspiration to scalp my AK collection

>>64158734 (OP)
Yes, TZD wins again

>>64158921
>What have you all been doing for ak ammo for these past few years then?
Serbian Belom ammo.

>>64161324
Yes. Hornady has supported 5.45 components from the very beginning and never stopped.

>>64166808
5-7 lbs for the xcr. Not that heavy after all, I guess I was confusing it with something else. Doesn't change the fact that it's still expensive, boring, ugly, and above all GAY.

>>64170313
If you need excitement try a P320 where you can win the tolerance stacking lottery
>the inanimate object is gay
Anon, I've got some bad news for (You)
https://i.4cdn.org/wsg/1756173976975400.webm

>>64162481
>go to ammoseek
>search 7.62x39 with free shipping
>buy whatever is cheapest

>>64158873
Sanctions = no Russian ammo. However, funny you mention that, Red Army Standard is made in Ukraine. Never even noticed until I took a look at an old empty box I had a couple weeks back. Maybe that will come back eventually. And by eventually, I mean quite a while probably.

>>64159142
46cpr w/ 5/10 shipping rating on Ammoseek for Norma 20rds @ Sentry Ammo. Brass is somehow the cheapest option right now. This is pretty much stabilized over the past month as I have these datapoints as well:
>Aug 2: 46 cpr, Norma/Tela, shipping rating 5
>Aug 14: 46cpr Tela

The trick is to get AKs in 5.56

>>64172962
>And by eventually, I mean quite a while probably.
That plant is in smolders. It's never coming back.

We will definitely see brass cases 5.45 imported after hostilities die down as Ukraine got help building factories for that.

>still have about 1.5k left of golden tiger
How much longer do you think I can last?

>>64158809
Millenials weren't supposed to become the next boomers, but here we are

>>64173397
How much do you shoot and how often? I have 2k left of golden tiger and a few thousand more of brown bear and wolf barnaul. Recently purchased some brass cased igman to try out as I don't want to shoot the russian ammo yet. I don't shoot the aks as often as I want to because of the price of ammo, but I would say I shoot about 200 rds a month now, maybe less. Purchased a 9mm pcc to supplement my urge to shoot a rifle for cheaper.

>>64173237
>We will definitely see brass cases 5.45 imported after hostilities die down as Ukraine got help building factories for that.
Isn't Ukraine switching to 5.56 too? With all the brens, scars and their domestic rifles.

>>64158734 (OP)
I still have 780 rounds of red army standard steel case I'm trying to sell. Might just trade it for whatever catches my eye at the lgs

>>64158734 (OP)
I remember being at Shot Show when Kalashnikov was there with a bunch of sexy Russian models dressed like Soviets and thinking "we've finally made it."

I was very wrong.