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Anonymous No.64159097 >>64159579 >>64159635 >>64159645 >>64160846 >>64161562 >>64161666 >>64162496 >>64163651 >>64166470 >>64166476 >>64167545
Why are Russian nuclear submarines so bad?
K-19 killed people before it even launched
Anonymous No.64159149 >>64160905
Is this /kng/ - K Nuclear General (Thread 4)?
Anonymous No.64159433 >>64163651
First,

>Why are Russian X so bad?
fixed that for ya

Secondly: the reason is multifaceted and goes deep into the formation of the soviet culture and society over the years, but locals would usually call it just "mentality" (as in the mindset of people within that culture) and might also elaborate that as "lack of manufacturing culture" (a bad term, but that's what it's called by locals). One could write whole books on this and just scratch the surface of the issues, just because of how alien a ton of the context is for non-locals. I'd probably write a bit more in terms of highlights, but it's almost 8 AM and I should go to sleep.
Anonymous No.64159579
>>64159097 (OP)
the project was rushed
Anonymous No.64159584 >>64160867 >>64160874 >>64161600 >>64161644 >>64162678 >>64166476
CIA had a sabotage program. Happened with Chernobyl too.
Anonymous No.64159605
Because Russian navy
Anonymous No.64159627
Steppe ape cannot into boats or nuclear safety, both together is a chilling combination.
Anonymous No.64159635
>>64159097 (OP)
>The history of Russian submarines has been one long disaster.
>John Winton
Anonymous No.64159645
>>64159097 (OP)
Real Russian nuclear submarines have never been tried.
Anonymous No.64160846 >>64160905 >>64166476
>>64159097 (OP)
all subs are dangerous. uss scorpion and uss thresher just to name a few of ours.
it's just like, part of the job man.
Anonymous No.64160867
>>64159584
Chernobyl was caused by the black bird of Chernobyl you ignoramus
Anonymous No.64160874
>>64159584
>It was the CIA
>It was the perfidious anglo saxons
Nah, commies are just that retarded
Cockcroft !!C4puehe7tRc No.64160905 >>64162670 >>64165897 >>64166511
>>64159149
Could be
>>64160846
OP is probably referring more to the many radiological incidents that the Soviet Nuclear submarines and related infrastructure encountered, such as Andreev Bay (in which the cleanup crew caused some of the material they were cleaning up to go critical)
Anonymous No.64161562 >>64161607 >>64161681 >>64163651
>>64159097 (OP)
the USSR didn't care about people. They were more concerned with propaganda. They needed the "best" of anything first. And if they weren't first, they needed it even faster. Corners were cut in the name of speed. And by corners, I mean entire emergency cooling system for the reactor core. Or radiation shielding. Crews would rotate in and out of the engine room. Don't remember which class of boat that was, but they wanted a boat that was fast, so they made it lighter by not having radiation shielding.
Anonymous No.64161600
>>64159584
dont look, the CIA is hiding under your bed right now pidorashka. in fact we are closing in on your position and will gang stalk the shit out of you
Anonymous No.64161607
>>64161562
sounds word for word exactly like how mainland changistan is today. down to the propaganda working since gullible westerners take everything at face value
Anonymous No.64161644 >>64161903
>>64159584
>mfw Putin was really fucking butthurt about the Chernobyl miniseries
>mfw he had his own series made, in which the entire blame is laid on the CIA instead of Russian incompetence
Anonymous No.64161666 >>64162507 >>64166426
>>64159097 (OP)
Any other nuke subs have a confirmed kill?
Anonymous No.64161681
>>64161562

>so they made it lighter by not having radiation shielding.

Decadent capitalist pig doesn't understand the need for speed.
Anonymous No.64161903
>>64161644
remember the cumnik sent to chernobyl during their three day to kyiv rush b blyatkried? the ones who dug trenches in the red forest?

some of them stole nuclear material straight from storage. local ukranians workers who asked wtf are they doing got answers which revealed none of them had ever even heard about chernobyl. in putinist pozzia they dont talk about it in history books/schools etc since it makes their idolized vatnik union lose face
Anonymous No.64161904 >>64162491
Aren't you the fellers who discovered a nuclear accident that wasn't in english literature that was really bad
Anonymous No.64162491
>>64161904
Oh yeah, the A-1. We got it a wiki page and everything
Anonymous No.64162496 >>64166438 >>64167575 >>64168079
>>64159097 (OP)
This pic of the Kursk always fucks with my head.
Anonymous No.64162507 >>64162554 >>64162557
>>64161666
Nice digits Satan. On topic, from what I remember the US's nuclear subs have pretty much exclusively been used for shore bombardment and special forces deployment pretty much since at least the middle of the Cold War onwards for the simple reason that any surface combatants got dabbed on by US air power before subs even got the chance to engage. I'm sure a more knowledgeable Burgerbro could correct me though.
Cockcroft !!C4puehe7tRc No.64162554
>>64162507
>shore bombardment
If it was with Tomahawks, it qualifies in the RN for the Jolly Roger
Anonymous No.64162557
>>64162507
The only time the USN has fought any naval battles in the nuclear sub era was Preying Mantis when they dabbed on Iran, fairly certain, and the Gulf isn't a good area for subs to operate so no enemy ships beyond accidental collisions with Russian subs.
Anonymous No.64162661 >>64166650 >>64166822 >>64167535
Zero Hour Vs BBC Chernobyl VS HBO Chernobyl?
Anonymous No.64162670 >>64165842
>>64160905
I wonder if the US nuke program would have ended up like the Soviets if Rickover and his autism hadn't whipped it into shape. Probably not as bad, but I imagine there would have been more radiological leaks and other incidents.
Anonymous No.64162678
>>64159584

Did the CIA give your mother syphilis too?
Anonymous No.64162702
Anyone have the Dresdan-1 pic from last time
Anonymous No.64163651 >>64166976
>>64159433
>>64161562
>>64159097 (OP)
So, OP, those first two posts spell it out pretty well, but there’s sort of an underlying problem. It’s a problem that comes with highly authoritarian forms of government though. If you lack oversight and the only thing that matters is how something looks? It creates some stunningly harmful negative feedback loops bolstered by corruption, graft, and face saving. For example, the Kursk disaster? They used a blatantly unsafe fuel for their torpedoes that hadn’t been used elsewhere for decades. It was cheaper, and there may have been some bribes and embezzlement involved.
Anonymous No.64165842
>>64162670
Rickover flipped his shit after the loss of Thresher and rewrote the book on materials and inspection protocol with SUBSAFE. It basically set the bar on quality assurance programs.
Not sure anyone had the kind of authority to ramrod something like that through the MIC/Congress except Hyman G. The guy was an asshole but exactly the kind of asshole the USN needed.
Anonymous No.64165897 >>64166189
>>64160905
>such as Andreev Bay (in which the cleanup crew caused some of the material they were cleaning up to go critical)
In the entire history of "you had one fucking job," few things top this in pure flabbergast-factor.
Anonymous No.64166189
>>64165897
>Finding cracks in the metal coating required diving into the pool, which was out of the question due to the gamma radiation levels in the vicinity of the nuclear waste drums reaching 17,000 R/h. An attempt to eliminate the leak was made by pouring in 20 sacks of flour, thus filling the cracks with dough. However, the leak continued, and the service personnel discovered icing on the right side of the building. The method was clearly ineffective.
Anonymous No.64166426
>>64161666
Nope, Conqueror is still the only sub to have sunk another ship, using two Mk. VIII torpedoes designed back in 1928
Anonymous No.64166438
>>64162496
Yeah, that’s not very typical, I’d like to make that point.
Anonymous No.64166465
Nuclear stuff requires autists
russians only have mongoloids
Anonymous No.64166470 >>64166790
>>64159097 (OP)
Russia + Water = Disaster

repeat until memorized
Anonymous No.64166476
>>64159097 (OP)
>built by Russians
>manned by Russians

What did you think was going to happen? That they were going to magically interrupt their ass-raping sessions to check why the reactor alarm is going off?

>>64160846

Notice how both of these disasters occurred over 60 years ago?

>>64159584
>duh CIA did Chernobyl

I’ve heard a lot of zigger horseshit in my time but this is genuinely a new low for you fuckers.
Anonymous No.64166511
>>64160905
>Andreev Bay
be USSR, early 80s
northern fleet sub base at Andreev Bay
“comrades, we need somewhere to put all this spicy submarine juice”
build giant swimming pools of concrete right on the shore
fill them with spent nuclear fuel rods, just raw-dogging physics
“nothing can possibly go wrong”

few years later
concrete starts cracking, radiation stew leaking into the bay
Geiger counters sound like Geiger EDM festival
officers like “da, situation is under control” while glowing in the dark

solution: send in conscripts with shovels and buckets
no protective suits, just a hat and good Soviet spirit
orders are to toss sandbags and scrap metal on top of glowing rods
dudes literally taking turns speedrunning cancer percent

somehow doesn’t explode
Andreev Bay remains one of the most radioactive places on Earth
fish caught nearby have more HP than a T-72
to this day Russia still hasn’t cleaned it up, just painted over the radiation with hammer-and-sickle logos

tfw Soviets made a nuclear Chernobyl stew by the sea and the fix was “just throw Ivan at it”
Anonymous No.64166650
>>64162661
BBC but HBO was so well done with the quotable lines. I forgive the HBO historical "condensing" and convenience edits, it doesn't fuck with the realities.
Anonymous No.64166790 >>64166932
>>64166470
What if the water is frozen and they skate on it?
Anonymous No.64166822
>>64162661
Zero Hour and HBO both include the BS about jumping reactor caps, both Center Dyatlov with the blame, and both say he ordered Akimov and Toptunov to their deaths.

Not that the BBC version isn’t filled with mistakes(especially in the back half, the thermal explosion nonsense and megaton and divers and half of Europe dead BS is all there), but I have to give it credit for not really blaming Dyatlov and also fully correctly depicting that he sent Akimov and Toptunov home and they stuck around and got themselves killed on their own
Anonymous No.64166932
>>64166790
Then we go to Lake Kyzsltash. Never freeze, Soviet miracle
Anonymous No.64166976
>>64163651
>They used a blatantly unsafe fuel for their torpedoes that hadn’t been used elsewhere for decades

Swedish torpedoes have used hydrogen peroxide since the 1960s.
Anonymous No.64167535
>>64162661
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7F1ma_0vwog
Anonymous No.64167545
>>64159097 (OP)

> Russian

found the problem.
Anonymous No.64167575
>>64162496
https://youtu.be/OuQmX-Gb1EU?t=390
Anonymous No.64167870
Prior threads for anyone who wants to catch up:

https://desuarchive.org/k/thread/63053811/
https://desuarchive.org/k/thread/63104003/
https://desuarchive.org/k/thread/63235460/
Anonymous No.64168079
>>64162496
>be me
>not a morning person
>leave tv on while getting ready for work
>investigative natgeo type series about military disasters
>it's about puccian kursk submarine sinking
>after brief introduction, chronological events
>puccia immediately blames us-hato-trannies for alleged ramming
>know then i'm in for a treat but the excel mines are calling
>can't wait, read the whole wiki on the commute
>mfw it's absolutely beyond my wildest expectations, from the crew dropping the replacement oxygen can and causing the flash-fire that suffocated them to the sailor's mom promptly sedated by the incognito nurse to stop pestering monke tsar live on the tv segment that was just cu out afterwards

the past may be a different country but russia is like a different timeline