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Anonymous No.64162355 >>64162397 >>64162405 >>64162425 >>64162441 >>64162442 >>64162463 >>64163283
A Spitfire would smoke this piece of alien shit.
Anonymous No.64162397
>>64162355 (OP)
Okay.
Anonymous No.64162405
>>64162355 (OP)
a spitfire in halo would be forced to travel at the speed of a lada so it doesnt zoom off the map in 5 seconds
its guns would then have abysmal performance against shields and vehicles to match performance with other vehicles
Anonymous No.64162425 >>64162444
>>64162355 (OP)
which spitfire
Anonymous No.64162441 >>64163329
>>64162355 (OP)
Banshees can fly supersonic and have no flight ceiling and effectively infinite fuel and ammunition. They can fly in hurricane force winds, and have been pictured not only with significant armor but also universal shielding that can bounce HMG rounds.

>But in the gameplay!!!
In gameplay you can get killed by a traffic cone but survive an inch wide hole blown straight through your heart and out your back.
Anonymous No.64162442
>>64162355 (OP)
>turns on a dime
>shields
>plasma weapons against wood
I think not chief
Anonymous No.64162444
>>64162425
Spitfire Vb because it finally added 20mm cannons on top of those worthless 303s which are basically try and weigh down enemy aircraft
Anonymous No.64162451 >>64162514
Huh?
Anonymous No.64162463 >>64162479 >>64162503 >>64162517 >>64162646 >>64162655 >>64162674 >>64163283 >>64163344 >>64163516 >>64163541
>>64162355 (OP)
>halo thread
Is there anything a world war 2 infantry squad can do to a opposing covenant infantry squad?
Anonymous No.64162479 >>64162655
>>64162463
The small arms in WW2 are probably roughly equivalent to what poor insurrectionists in the Halo setting would have access to, and while extremely rare, there have been cases where said groups have managed to survive contact with Covenant ground forces.
Once their shields are down, they die to gunfire, shrapnel, and napalm like everything else.
Anonymous No.64162503 >>64162658
>>64162463
That depends on if the Covenant unit is mostly elites (extremely uncommon for the entire war), mostly brutes, brutes and smaller covenant, or just jackals and grunts.

>Once their shields are down, they die to gunfire, shrapnel, and napalm like everything else.
Brutes regularly tank armor piercing rounds with their bones, and even low level covenant body armor is superior to modern rifle plates. In one book a brute is shot half a dozen times in the head with armor piercing rifle rounds and remains conscious, which tracks with the fact that their leaping, and lifting strength would explode any muscle on earth instantly. They're less "grizzly bears" and more "Grizzly bears made of granite with iron bones that can jump fifty feet straight up".
Anonymous No.64162514
>>64162451
I mean it probably would, plasma pistols are a classic way to fuck banshee fags.
Anonymous No.64162517
>>64162463
I think they could take on grunts and shield jackals.
Elites and Brutes would be a challenge but I think the biggest danger would be sniper jackals.
Anonymous No.64162646
>>64162463
A BAR and a half-dozen M1 Garands could probably take on one Elite and some grunts.
Anonymous No.64162655 >>64162668
>>64162463
No, because Energy Shields on Elites is OP. Theres a reason the scaling was fucked in Halo 2 and Elites were nerfed in 3.

Because in Halo 1, Heroic and Legendary Elites took a belt to the ass of the Flood and Humans alike. It wasn't even close.

>>64162479
>Once their shields are down,
they might take over, wait for recharge and go again. Magical energy shields are op.
Anonymous No.64162658
>>64162503
>Brutes regularly tank armor piercing rounds with their bones, and even low level covenant body armor is superior to modern rifle plates.
Brutes can also be ran into by a truck and get nothing but a broken leg.
Anonymous No.64162668 >>64162676
>>64162655
>they might take over, wait for recharge and go again. Magical energy shields are op.
They might do that, yeah. Or they might go full retard and keep charging.
While there was plenty of competent tacticians and strategists within the Covenant, even a fair few Sangheili were known to be retarded once the fighting started.
Anonymous No.64162674 >>64163370 >>64163397
>>64162463
Human infantry canonically do well against the Covenant due to a lack of tactical acumen but a WW2 infantry squad isn't equivalent to a Halo infantry squad in power, mostly due to a lack of assault and battle rifles. I guess a squad with lots of automatic fire can come close though. I guess an ambush could even the odds a lot though.
Anonymous No.64162676
>>64162668
>Or they might go full retard and keep charging.
Point is they have both options. Magical energy shields allow for many many things.
Anonymous No.64163283 >>64163354 >>64163392
>>64162355 (OP)
>aircraft designed by a stagnating alien theocracy that went to war to prop up their bogus religion is a complete piece of shit

Say it ain’t so so!

>>64162463
>ambush Covenant infantry lance with an MG-42 while wearing Dot 44 and blasting Erika on open mics
>first burst completely drains the Elite’s shield
>second burst rips his chest open like a Flood infection form
>third burst completely misses the grunts because they’re all fucking 4’0 manlets that Tyrion Lannister could probably beat up, they panic and flee anyway

That just leaves the Jackals and given that they’re fighting for a paycheck rather than the faith, they probably won’t be sticking around that long.
Anonymous No.64163329 >>64163336
>>64162441
In Shadows of Reach, Master Chief punched a banshee and send it flying, as if it was nothing.
Anonymous No.64163336 >>64163338
>>64163329
Did you even read the excerpt you posted?
Anonymous No.64163338 >>64163367
>>64163336
Yes. What's the problem?
Anonymous No.64163344
>>64162463
Why did you cover up the Engineer you gigantic, flaming homosexual??? Too dick shaped for your liking?

Also, essentially everything gameplay-wise has been nerfed and morphed to fit into the sandbox, otherwise master chief would be running around at 40+ MPH, elites would be fucking scary, and plasma weaponry could very easily one shot even armored marines. Covenant shit is built very well but also optimized for environments and roles which otherwise may be relegated to more specialized vehicles in the UNSC.

A WW2 infantry squad would do okay as long as Covenant dont get the drop on them. If they engage at longer range much of the risk posed by their plasma weapons could be mitigated. Though the velocities of the ammunition and the capacity for high volumes of fire would be a serious handicap.
Anonymous No.64163354
>>64163283
>they’re all fucking 4’0 manlets that Tyrion Lannister could probably beat up
Grunts have monkey strength going on. They'd suck ass to fight in a brawl if they were braver.
Anonymous No.64163367
>>64163338
The problem is that your statement only barely aligns with the content of that text.
>Master Chief punched a banshee and sent it flying, as if it was nothing
He barely managed to deflect an unpowered banshee skidding along the ground with a right hoop perpendicular to its trajectory (and likely coming from below as well given that the nose of the banshee went upwards as he struck it).
It was still an incredibly impressive physical feat mind you, but he did not "send it flying", nor was it particularly effortless like you mean to imply.
Anonymous No.64163370
>>64162674
>canonically do well
no they don't, they do relatively better when compared to ship engagements, but thats because anything is better then instantly getting fucking stomped, in most cases your average UNSC marine squad gets shat on by your average covenant squad, the only time a ground engagement is considered an even fight is when Spartans are involved, aka even with Super soldiers the covenant fears to the point call them demons its just an even engagement not a guaranteed victory
Anonymous No.64163392
>>64163283
My brother in Christ Grunts are built like Chimps and have a carapace durable enough to withstand the vacuum of space. The only reason they die so often is because they're trained to be retarded and need to wear explosive fuel tanks to breathe.
Anonymous No.64163395 >>64163398 >>64163520
would you?
Anonymous No.64163397 >>64163400
>>64162674
Humans were fighting a fraction of the Covenant and losing.
Anonymous No.64163398
>>64163395
yes
Anonymous No.64163400 >>64163403 >>64163531 >>64163544 >>64163554 >>64163622
>>64163397
>Humans were fighting a fraction of the Covenant and losing.
Are you sure? They seem to be pretty deadset on erasing Humanity, especially in the later games. The only problem is that they are killing the keys to activate the Halo rings and other forerunner technology.
Anonymous No.64163403 >>64163889
>>64163400
I'm pretty sure he's on the ball with saying it was only a part of the Covenant that Humanity was fighting for most of the war.
Anonymous No.64163516
>>64162463
sex with female sangheili
Anonymous No.64163520
>>64163395
absolutely
Anonymous No.64163531 >>64163889
>>64163400
Humanity was never engaged in a war with the entire Covenant, just a small part of it whose job it was to destroy humanity
Anonymous No.64163541 >>64163751
>>64162463
Let's say humanity lost, or our "leaders" sold us out (real), but the Covenant decided against the genociding all human and integrated us into their society. What role would we play?
Anonymous No.64163544
>>64163400
while the covenant declared humanity an abberation to be genocided, the empire was simply too large and too fragmented to actually devote 100% of their resources to that one task

the arbiter spends quite some time in halo 2 putting down covenant rebellions and the covenant as a whole had 13 great unggoy rebellions
as much as the prophets would like to destroy all of humanity to keep their sham religion going they just could never actually devote their entire war machine to that goal
but it didnt matter, because even that portion of the covenant was more than enough to annhilate humanity and they would have done so if not for an actual civil war among their ranks
Anonymous No.64163554 >>64163889
>>64163400
Humanity wasn't fighting all of the Covenant's forces. They were on the back foot until they strung together a series of cinematic victories from Reach to Earth and the schism. Also, they were pretty dead set on eradication from the moment Truth realized that Humanity being reclaimers would upend the entire Covenant religion and society (Except the Jackals, who would probably just raid everyone else as soon as they got their hands on any FTL drives.)
Anonymous No.64163622 >>64163630 >>64163889
>>64163400
For the covenant it was like Afghanistan, endless spider hole quagmire on the edge of the world. They had enough troops and ships to pulverize the UNSC a hundred times over, it was the decay of their own power structure that ended the war.
Anonymous No.64163630
>>64163622
even without the destruction of a halo ring that kicked off a series of events that led to the schism between the elites and the brutes, the covenant was already a 40k-tier ungovernable mess
corruption was rampant, they had rebellions practically everywhere,
and the elites and brutes were already seconds away from killing each other, the replacement of the elites with the brutes was just the cassus belli for them to go to all out war
Anonymous No.64163645 >>64163660
How would it fare against the beat aircraft in 40k?
Anonymous No.64163660
>>64163645
Necrons are essentially forerunner tech level minimum so realistically a banshee would get fucked by a necron aircraft
Anonymous No.64163751 >>64163776
>>64163541
Humanity technically lost, and the Elites decided to set up the 90% destroyed earth as a "preserve" for humanity, which was nearly extinct. Most of this was retconned later to try to reset the setting back to an endless vague middle state we've been living in ever since.
The prophets were never going to accept humans because they had basically pulled the wool over the elites eyes and the charade was finally falling apart. Humans registering on scans as Forerunner, being able to work forerunner technology, and in original cannon BEING forerunner, would have completely annihilated the illusion that the prophets knew what they were talking about.

It's hard to say what the role of humans would have been in a hypothetical covenant where they didn't threaten the prophet's position, because the prophets still constantly fucked with the covenant races to try to keep them in check, restricting doctrine, industry, and education to hamstring them. However it's also the case that most of the covenant races violate the rules of the prophets to varying degrees.

The prophets might do something like force humanity into obscene attrition rates to lower their population, or deny education or proper nutrition to most of them to make them crazy and stupid.
Barring the prophets intentionally nigrifying humanity we'd be far more useful as low level officers than as meat waves, something the covenant is kind of lacking.
Anonymous No.64163776
>>64163751
Cont
Consider that the elites and brutes generally hate grunts and jackals, and also can't trust them with anything or delegate anything to them, so you get 60 IQ brutes just threatening them into "going forward" or fresh off the boat elite minors basically just using them as distractions while they try to fight functionally solo.


Humans can (and will choose to) follow complex orders, and can give complex orders, even to retards. You can't put them in charge of elites or brutes, but they can be trusted to direct Jackals and Grunts. They can give useful reports besides screaming into their headsets, etc.
Anonymous No.64163889
>>64163403
>>64163531
>>64163554
>>64163622
Simply not true. It's not true to the level of "you didn't read the lore" levels. The Covenant war on humanity was an all hands on deck situation, thanks to the Prophets needing the humans gone as fast as possible. Their whole society was geared to the task. In Halo Wars, Prophet Regret explicitly says - and I am directly quoting,

"The war with the humans will require a great deal many more machines than we can currently muster."

Humanity was - IN FACT - more numerous and spread out than any single Covenant species. Humans were at a severe technological disadvantage. The most glaring disparity was the lack of force field technology, which enabled Covenant fleets to comfortably fight human fleets unless outnumbered by at least 3 to 1. But this was not a "small" war for the Covenant. Not even CLOSE. They had pacified singular species before, in the case of the Hunters, Jackals and Grunts. Yet each of those cases required only the conquering of a single star system. Humans occupied dozens. It wasn't the same as anything the Covenant had done before.