Thread 64166697

Swiss gun laws are much more passive than american gun laws, but the swiss dont allow hollowpoints bc to save a persons life whose been shot by hollows the surgeon has to basically mutilate the victim to retrieve all the individual pieces of the bullet. If i was in the background behind an active shooter/terrorist, i would rather have a hero shoot at the terrorist with round nose ammo and accept the risk it penetrates the terrorist and hits me rather than risk the hero missing the terrorist and hitting me by accident with his faggot hollowpoint. Swiss gun laws overall are a million times better than american gun laws, and i would much rather adopt swiss gun laws in america even if that means banning hollowpoint.

>>64166697 (OP)
This is all bullshit conjecture and posturing

I don't give a fuck about the life of a person I was forced to shoot to defend my own, you have something approaching a point about innocent bystanders but that's why you train and impart discernment before shooting. It's also why you aim for center mass. Using a round-nose just endangers more people for any skilled, trained shooter.

Fuck Switzerland too

>>64166697 (OP)
>Swiss gun laws
require EVERYTHING to be NFA.
You can get pretty much anything but use is restricted.

>>64166697 (OP)
>surgeon has to basically mutilate the victim
Wut? Rifle rounds *tend* to fragment like a bitch, especially at closer ranges, regardless of construction. Handgun rounds *typically* do not, regardless of construction. Your reasoning for the law is erroneous but you're probably wrong about the reason behind its initial passing anyway.
>look up swiss gun laws
>permit to purchase
>must prove need for firearms
Fuckin dropped. My reason is "kiss my ass and come back with a swat team" and my permit was written 250 years ago. Seethe eurofag.

>>64166697 (OP)
Swiss gun law seems to be driven by military requirements. Not sure if Swiss are signatories of thr Hague Convention baning dum-dums but many non signatories voluntarily comply.

Remember this when anti-gunners say "No military h/w in civilian hands". Civilian stuff can be deadlier. Just ask the WWI Germans about trench brooms.

>>64166697 (OP)
Surgeon never need to retrieve all pieces of bullet to begin with.

>>64166739
Always remember, "military weapon" is an insult to guns beyond a certain price point...or just in general if your gun doesn't shoot you in the chest

>>64166725
Are you a fucking monkey? Swiss gun laws you can walk into a swiss gun store and walk out 10 minutes later with a sig 550 and a suppressor. Kys

>>64166697 (OP)
Plain HP could be outdated. Every jihadi, chink, and LA nigger has plates. I mean it's no fun day taking one in the plates but still.
HP is outplayed by 3 part wonder-bullets that are actually cool. But it still walks down effect on fatties, still don't penetrate, still don't fly the same, and still cause you to change zero from properly designed 2 part FMJ.

>>64166697 (OP)
I personally pick hollowpoints because I like to drive watermelon sized holes with my .22lr, just as the NRA intended.

>>64166738
Why do you post such bullshit you shiteating faggot? You are completely full of shit.

>>64166761
Pls explain this more.

>>64166760
Yes you can. You have to have approval to own one before hand.
Everything is licenced.

>Swiss gun laws are much more passive than american gun laws
XD
Also
>bc to save a persons life whose been shot by hollows the surgeon has to basically mutilate the victim to retrieve all the individual pieces of the bullet
Oh no

>>64166771
Explain what I said that was wrong? High velocity rifle rounds at close ranges, let's say inside 100 yards, have a tendency to fragment. This is true for many bottlenecked rifle cartridges on soft targets. Common pistol calibers like 9mm, .40, .38, .45, .357 are much more likely to remain intact even if they're an expanding projectile. Most expanding projectiles are intended to stay intact specifically for better penetration. There's obviously exceptions to this hence why I specifically used language like "tend to" and "typically" but those are exceptions and not the rule. When fall rolls around, go shoot a few does with 9mm and run a detector probe into the wound cavity. Then do the same thing with a .243 and get back to me with your results. I'm interested in your findings. I've personally removed jacket materiel from carcasses on multiple occasions when using rifle cartridges but never once had the same result when using my model 66 or Contender in .357. And if you're arguing swiss vs. US gun laws, you're just being a contrarian. There's zero federally mandated permitting, waiting period, license etc. to purchase a firearm. NFA is it's own basket of BS but at least it's not every single item like in chocolate faggot land.

>>64166834
Youre inferior to the swiss. Get in line inferior boy.

>be American
>carry hollow points
Who cares about non-American gun laws?

>>64166865
What a compelling refutation of my points. Now go ask daddy government for a license to buy a single shot shotgun chocofag.

>>64166697 (OP)
kinda, they're basically for soft targets, to cause more internal injuries to the body.

>>64166786
He’s an idiot. There’s nothing else to explain.

>>64166697 (OP)
>If i was in the background behind an active shooter/terrorist, i would rather have a hero shoot at the terrorist with round nose ammo and accept the risk it penetrates the terrorist and hits me rather than risk the hero missing the terrorist and hitting me by accident with his faggot hollowpoint.
A hollowpoint wouldn't magically cause a miss. You don't know what the hell you're talking about.

Thank God for sage.

>>64166877
Chill out my inferior boot licking friend! Life is good!

>>64167071
Theres a risk that a solid bullet goes thru the target just as theres a risk a hollowpoint misses the target and shreds an innocent bystander.

Kill yourself goes in all fields, you shiteating faggot

>>64166697 (OP)
>the surgeon has to basically mutilate the victim to retrieve all the individual pieces of the bullet
retarded approach, they just need a big magnet

>>64167364
Clever!

>>64166697 (OP)
In a nation as civilized as switzerland, I would agree

But in the US, if the person you shot doesn't die you're legally and socially fucked.

>>64166760
And you can't shoot anyone with it except for paper in a regulated shooting range like a faggot

>>64166831
>Swiss gun laws are much more passive than american gun laws
>XD
you can get full auto

>>64167410
their country is tiny there's not a ton of places to shoot anyway unless you climbed a mountain
which would be badass but here we are

>>64167337
>he says as he has to ask daddy government for permission to buy a gun
Lmaoing @ ur life right now

>>64167402
Why would you be fucked if you can prove you were defending yourself?

>>64167410
Switzerland is not that small. Go there and you will see huge open spaces where you could easily go for a hike to get away from ppl where you can shoot your guns without anybody hearing it.

>>64167419
Also switzerland is very libertarian so you can get as many suppressors as you want without tax stamps of form paperwork. Suppressors are cash and carry in ch.

>>64167351
There's also a lesser chance of a hollow point bullet going through a target and an equal chance of a solid bullet missing the target and hitting a bystander, you astronomical retard.

>>64167413
I live in the US and own multiple full autos.

>>64167456
they also had access to the full auto famas' france was selling

that's awesome though, wish I had easy access to cans

>>64167477
so do a lot of people but getting them is a pain and they cost shit tons more than they should

>>64166697 (OP)
>Caring about eurostanis
They literally turn their sights all the way up for moar power

>>64167484
>what is the super safety
>what is the frt
>what is the switch
do more research lil buddy.
>swiss laws are more lax than US laws
ok timestamp your full auto gun outside on your lawn in full view of your neighbors :^) i'll wait

Swiss gun laws in the US would make zero goddamn sense. Americans tangibly and reliably benefit from:
-private sales
-conceal carrying in dangerous area
-castle doctrine (i.e. no duty to retreat in your own home)
Americans by and large find suppressors and full auto to be fun toys, and full autos are de facto legal these days anyhow thanks to FRTs.
Switzerland has none of the important and practical things, and while suppressors arent any more restricted than other gun parts there, theyre still nearly as restricted as supressors in america, and much more restricted than most american guns. So what gun owners would benefit from swiss laws? Nobody except people who love public ranges and do nothing else with their guns. I totally get euros wanting to be proud of their stuff and i get america is the place to compare yourself to, but goddamn gun laws is the most obviously losing battle unless you hate guns.

>basically mutilate the victim to retrieve all the individual pieces of the bullet.
>I'm swiss
I call bullshit. The Swiss aren't this dumb. The reason they have to open up people to get HPs out is due to the bullet expanding. Try and imagine - ok, never mind. Don't bother. You are obviously a complete moron.

>>64166739
The swiss are such sticklers for Hague when they made their military's version of 5.56, GP90 they put deliberate effort into making it fragment and yaw as little as possible. To avoid violating the spirit of the convention when literally no one else cares.
And being switzerland it will only be used on living targets when they finally dig too deep and demons are invading their fortress

this guy can never touch a firearm again because he smoked weed.

>>64166697 (OP)
>Everyone owns guns
>Nobody can use them for anything useful, just poking holes on still paper targets
Such is life in globohomostan

>>64170260
post gun and electrical socket

>>64170279
I know you can't because euros have neither kek

>>64170260
>i want to kill ppl so i can feel like a man
Youre the problem with america you shiteating faggot.

>>64170357
You have literally no rights doe

>>64166697 (OP)
>hollow point
Your honor, these were anti ricochet, anti overpenetration boolets

>>64169841
>what is the super safety
>what is the frt
NTA, but that's not real full-auto, buddy. These are inferior devices that mimic full-auto, but they are nowhere near as reliable and durable as the real thing. I've already seen a few 3D-printed ones snap, so while they are fun, we must acknowledge that they are inferior devices.

>>64166697 (OP)
It'd be really funny if this was enforced like the laws in US states that restrict hollowpoints are.
i.e. hollowpoint ban means hollowpoint ban and nothing more, things like soft points, EFMJ, pow'rball and screw driver bullets are perfectly legal because "point 's not hollow lmao"

>>64167436
>prove you were defending yourself
Are you so stupid that you don't understand why this is a good thing?

>>64172368
or those goofy ahh glaser safety slugs for that matter

>>64174270
I think the video got taken down but one guy on youtube pulled the lead shot from a Glaser and packed the cavity with tungsten BBs. That fucker combined the spread of the Safety Slug but met the 12" penetration requirement.

>>64174376
that's sick as hell

>>64172368
By hollowpoints i mean any bullet that broke apart or flowered in soft tissue. I thought hollowpoint covered all those types of bullets.

>>64176262
Is that how the law is written? Or is that how you personally interpret it?
Screwdriver bullets are designed to transfer energy without relying on expansion btw.
And does this mean wadcutters are verboten too? Boomers are going to be pissed.

>>64176318
What are waddcutters

>>64177115
They cut wads

>>64166697 (OP)
>to save the person's life who has been shot by hollow points.
Counter-intuitive. The "point" is to neutralize the threat. Not bring them back from death.
If some prick, dick-headed faggot thought it was a good idea to assault me, my property, or my immediate family, he's getting a lead vest put over his torso.
The Swiss are retarded.

>>64176262
Truly not American. We don't care about the spirit of the law- we will loophole and find stupid work arounds and then claim your laws weren't clear enough.

>>64166697 (OP)
>people become grievously injured when shot?
>people die when they are killed?
>this vexes me
>things working as intended in an efficient manner hurts my feelings
>instead of admitting I don't like thing to begin with, I want thing to be mutilated slightly to appease to my emotion
>btw I can't believe americans really do thing
gayest thing I've read all week and it's only Wednesday.

>>64166739
>Just ask the WWI Germans about trench brooms
The history of the 1897 in WW1 is almost entirely fuddlore. Only a handful were actually sent to frontline units, those got very mixed reviews from troops and never had suitable ammunition issued. The German diplomatic protest over them was little more than a passing objection citing bans on dum-dum'd ammo and mostly just trying to score a point in the PR department.

>>64166697 (OP)
>to save a persons life
Just keep shooting and that won't be a factor.

>>64178781
Skill issue, don't be abominably bad at writing laws and your laws won't be an unenforceable mess.