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Anonymous No.64167858 >>64167862 >>64167876 >>64167878 >>64167900 >>64167907 >>64167977 >>64168017 >>64168042 >>64168052 >>64168188 >>64168278 >>64168279
Thoughts about the new sino-Armata tank? Will It enter service sooner than both the T-14 and Abrams X?
Anonymous No.64167862
>>64167858 (OP)
i'm not looking that up, so at least give a name, chang
its really annoying when you just assume we know what that is, its also rude
Anonymous No.64167876 >>64167935 >>64168685
>>64167858 (OP)
The defensive turret on top is super kino but I'm certain it has dogshit for armour
APFSDS will kill this easily
Anonymous No.64167878
>>64167858 (OP)
Probably, since the T14 flopped and there doesn't seem to be much interest in building the Abrams X
Anonymous No.64167881
>m1a2 capabilities
>chinese small dick energy passive aggresive posting
Yeah.
Anonymous No.64167897
Are cameras hardened enough to rely upon when the crew are buttoned up in the hull crew compartment?
Anonymous No.64167900
>>64167858 (OP)
It will likely be built in small numbers but actually show up in deployed units and training exercises because the Chinese are better at propaganda than the Russians and they'll move this thing with hamster wheels if necessary so long as it looks implessive for a news crew.

Its capabilities will go untested for decades before it gets quietly memoryholed.
Anonymous No.64167907 >>64168089
>>64167858 (OP)
That is fucking huge for a 105mm gun tank.
Anonymous No.64167935 >>64168290 >>64168459 >>64168493
>>64167876
>APFSDS will kill this easily
Not necessarily, since the Iron Fist APS the chinks copied from could also intercept APFSDS rounds: https://youtu.be/e4_kFEw33s4?
But Iron Fist was much more expen6than Trophy APS, and since most the the threats that Israel and the Western countries faced were only insurgents with RPGs, Trophy won most of the contracts since It was cheaper.
Anonymous No.64167977
>>64167858 (OP)
I like it, hopefully its gets mass exported. I mean the reality is, nobody gives a shit about the Abrams X because the M1 is the best tank bar none and there's no reason to upgrade, but if it had a widely adopted competitor then we might get something really cool in response.
Anonymous No.64167995
Crows system gets immediately covered in chicken wire. SO FUN AND COOL DUDE!
Anonymous No.64168017 >>64168089
>>64167858 (OP)
Wheeled suspension and 105mm gun, scary to one place only which is Taiwan
Anonymous No.64168042 >>64168682
>>64167858 (OP)
That's a cool T-72 bodykit
Anonymous No.64168052 >>64168067 >>64168089
>>64167858 (OP)
>105mm
>50 tons
Basicaly an undergunned MBT. If they wanted to make a medium-ish tank they can easily mass produce and do amphibious shit with, make it 40 or 30 tons, like some sort of tracked neo-AMX-10 with ATGMS and APS
Anonymous No.64168067
>>64168052
Apparently they put some magic anti drone mumbo jumbo. Or atleast it will. The reasoning is that most tanks in ukraine are getting blasted by fpvs instead of getting destroyed by other tanks so they are focused on more infantry support so the gun is smaller to house more munitions.
Anonymous No.64168089 >>64168110
>>64167907
>>64168017
>>64168052
I bet you also think that the 88mm from the Tiger and the King Tiger are the same gun since both are 88mm guns
Anonymous No.64168110
>>64168089
I'm not questioning the caliber or effectiveness of the gun, I'm questioning the weight of the entire thing. You're already saving a lot of weight with a lighter (and not necessarily less effective) gun and turret, you have APS to take care of threats, go all the way and make it smol.
>harder to hit
>cheaper to mass produce
>smaller logistical footprint, can cross bridges, can be sealifted or even airlifted if you make it small enough
Anonymous No.64168188 >>64168193 >>64168195 >>64168242
>>64167858 (OP)
The turret is very long
Anonymous No.64168193 >>64168195
>>64168188
Same chassis as the new IFV
Anonymous No.64168195
>>64168188
>>64168193
I dig it honestly. New tanks ought to be taller.
I don't like the big uparmored IFV trend though, as functional as they are. It just doesn't feel right.
Anonymous No.64168216 >>64168221 >>64168242
Are we sure It has 3 crew? Since with Type 99A the gunner, commander and driver all pop out for the parade, while in all the pics of the new MBT only the 2 crew can be seen...
Anonymous No.64168221 >>64168236
>>64168216
You might want to look just below the gun mantlet.
Anonymous No.64168236
>>64168221
On the hull there are only 2 openable hatches, thus there are only two 2 out. There's another hatch on the turret, but that one seems to be for reloading and resupplying the tank, not for a 3rd member.
Anonymous No.64168242
>>64168188
>>64168216
Anonymous No.64168278 >>64168507 >>64168518 >>64168694
>>64167858 (OP)
>Boring image
>One or two sentences, phrased as questions
>No information
Digger wasp thread

Also:
>Will it enter service sooner than a one-off concept car built for a 2023 trade show that the US Army had nothing to do with and that no one ordered?
You could have found out what the actual next-generation Abrams program is called by doing 90 seconds of research and looked slightly less like a shill who isn't posting in good faith, but again: digger wasp.
Anonymous No.64168279
>>64167858 (OP)
this thing is huge, wtf ? The gun looks like a pencil dick, what's the caliber on that ? 90mm ?
Anonymous No.64168290 >>64168300
>>64167935
>blinding flash so you can't see the APFSDS being destroyed and the target it's aimed at isn't even in frame so you can't see if it was hit
Implessive
Anonymous No.64168299
This naturar thread convinced me that xina isn't actuarry weak but very strong!!
Anonymous No.64168300 >>64168459
>>64168290
Iron Fist is jewish, so you should say "marshim" instead of Implessive
Anonymous No.64168459 >>64168484
>>64167935
>>64168300
>if the chinese copy resembles this weapon it must certainly have the same performance and capabilities
Cargo cult mentality
Anonymous No.64168484 >>64168503 >>64168528
>>64168459
Israel is literally known to sell tech to the chinks directly. That's what they did with their Lavi fighter jet, Spike ATGM and even their Harpy drones.
Anonymous No.64168493 >>64168509 >>64168685
>>64167935
If I recall the anti-APFSDS capability of the Iron Fist is only possible against those fired from 1000m away or firther, since the APS requires some "time" to calculate the trajectory. Thus they're only certified to intercept APFSDS rounds from that distance and beyond.
So if a tank is extremely close within 500m, It's not going to work.
Anonymous No.64168503
>>64168484
Yeah? So did the US, and so did Europe. Does that mean everything chink that vaguely resembles its NATO equivalent mean it MUST certainly have the exact same performance and capabilities?

Cargo cult thinking.
Anonymous No.64168507
>>64168278
>One or two sentences, phrased as questions
>No information
Been seeing this critique posted a lot lately. Fundamentally, when people make threads of this nature on /k/, they're looking for the input of autodidacts who already know about the topic and have preconceived notions they've arrived at of their own accord. If you need a primer on the topic, then your opinion on it is worthless. I would have thought all that went without saying, when you ask for advice from your car mechanic you shouldn't have to provide him with a fucking Haynes or Chilton manual.
>Digger wasp thread
???? some new schizo phrase, I guess.
Anonymous No.64168509
>>64168493
Which happens to be a theater of urban combat which this tank is supposed to be designed for
Uh oh!
Anonymous No.64168518
>>64168278
>digger wasp
Nigger ask thread
Anonymous No.64168523 >>64168527
>sino armata
why are you using vaporware as a reference?
Anonymous No.64168527 >>64168557
>>64168523
Nta but it's obvious isn't it?
>russian vaporware
>chink vaporware
Anonymous No.64168528 >>64168549
>>64168484
What can I say, everyone was cozzy with non-western actors during the End of History, you never mention the refineries currently getting bombed by ukkies were built with american and EU technology and mideast still sell oil to China despite them ethnically cleansing the uyghurs.
Anonymous No.64168536
>chink shill is dumping his script again
Sad life
Anonymous No.64168549
>>64168528
Because liberals have no backbone dealing with turdies, despite being the most obstreperous bitches with our own people

Years even before the Pacific Pivot, I had said that we ought to drop the Iron Curtain on China, because they're blatantly stealing land and setting up the Island Chain defences to secure it. My lefty friends said I was a warhawk bigot.
Fine.

About 3 or 4 years ago suddenly they saw the light, and went off on a rant about China. Much too late of course. But anyway so I said, well we told you for years this day would come. So NOW would you drop the Curtain? And they said, firstly, "oh nobody could have seen it coming" and secondly, "now it's too late and they manufacture and buy too much of our goods so let's just try and diplomacy our way out of the problem"
That's the liberal mind for you. Everything about the leftist brain is inherently fucked at its core. They are man-children and woman-children. Mostly the latter.
Anonymous No.64168551 >>64168694
>nobody has pointed out that the Abrams X is literally just a sales pitch

The state of this fucking board...
Anonymous No.64168557 >>64168570 >>64168579 >>64168585 >>64168700 >>64168769
>>64168527
unlike russia china actually produces their designs.
Even the FC-31 ended in production after being modified.
Anonymous No.64168570 >>64168612
>>64168557
>their designs
like how they copied the DSI bumps despite not knowing what exactly they did?
Anonymous No.64168579 >>64168612
>>64168557
>china actually produces their designs.
lol
lmao
Kill yourself chink
Anonymous No.64168585 >>64168622
>>64168557
>china actually produces their fake shit
Okay
But that doesn't mean it works
Anonymous No.64168612 >>64168626
>>64168570
>what about
lol

>>64168579
same fagget
Anonymous No.64168622
>>64168585
The point is that this
>>chink vaporware
isn't true, and the armata isn't a good reference for anything.
If you want to move the goalpost then just samefag because I'm not interested in discussing something with no official spec or info.
Anonymous No.64168626 >>64168637
>>64168612
how is this whataboutism when I'm literally referring to the design of the plane you bought up first
Anonymous No.64168637 >>64168675 >>64168683
>>64168626
The topic is vaporware, the FC-31 that some people could argue it was "vaporware" when only Shenyang was supporting its development after losing against Chengdu, but in the end it was accepted for production, if you can't stay on topic because you're too retarded to not spread the crap they taught you in TV.
Anonymous No.64168675 >>64168680
>>64168637
No it wasn't, sorry that your English comprehension is so poor that you think I'm samefagging. Please attend more language lectures Chang.
Anonymous No.64168680 >>64168750
>>64168675
>tries to change the topic
Q.E.D.
Anonymous No.64168682
>>64168042
The only T-72s China has ever seen are ones they stole like the one (1) T-72 the Norks have or ones they snuck a peak at when visiting other nations that bought them.
Anonymous No.64168683 >>64168691 >>64168695
>>64168637
NTA but on the topic of vaporware, it doesn't stop being vaporware even if a parade mockup is produced. That's the tank version of "E3 trailer (not actually game engine render)" vaporware

the Russians produced a few Armata also. They're shit, even if there are impressive webms of them going round, which is why they're referred to as vaporware. Same goes for all this chink hardware.
Anonymous No.64168685
>>64167876
>he doesn't know
Blast-grenade based APS has been able to reduce the penetration of APFSDS by at least 50% for over 18 years. Even the Israelis did it.

>>64168493
>desperately making shit up

China is a big rich industrialized country. America is merely rich and Russia is nothing. You should stop being surprised by reality; mass producing incremental improvements like its nothing is what big industrial nations do. America used to do it.
Anonymous No.64168691
>>64168683
>impressive webms
It caught fire in a parade and the other one destroyed it's transmission in 30 seconds, that isn't really implessive.
Anonymous No.64168694
>>64168551
>>nobody has pointed out that the Abrams X is literally just a sales pitch
>>64168278
>a one-off concept car built for a 2023 trade show that the US Army had nothing to do with and that no one ordered
Anonymous No.64168695
>>64168683
Post the time machine John Titor.
Anonymous No.64168700 >>64168735
>>64168557
>please ignore all the China number one threads about stupid shit from arms expos like quadbikes with gatling guns that are never ever seen again
Anonymous No.64168735
>>64168700
>a " VADS with missiles" like last line defense SPAAG lives rent free in his head
lol, why does that vehicles even triggers you?
Anonymous No.64168750
>>64168680
>Q.E.D
Implessive Chang, I see you've been studying your handbooks. Unfortunately when used at the end of anything other than a wall of text it makes you look like an even bigger idiot than before.

I also have zero obligation to continue the conversation the other anon started, just said whatever I found constructive in relation to your comment about the F-35 copy so snort my shit off my crack.
Anonymous No.64168769 >>64168785
>>64168557
> china actually produces
that is main problem, that's it's made in Chinhuahua so result is always implessive
Anonymous No.64168785 >>64168918
>>64168769
implessive, with that video china just lost, the century of amelican powel is ensulled
long live to amelica
Anonymous No.64168918
>>64168785
>getting this buttmad over facts
Grim