Thread 64170191

Post Gear, Discuss Gear
BREACHING edition for normies.
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This edition brought to you by XOPYC - HORUS, best Serbian gear.
Somebody asked about the most stylish vest? This you can wear to nightclub, riot, or soccer hooligan meetup

I coooonnnnssuuummmed and bought more stuff for my plate carrier.

>>64170191 (OP)
Is it true that Hop got kicked off of /gq/ for saying SIONYX was just as good?

>/gq/ infographics: https://imgur.com/a/gq-infographic-emporium-1-00-1lZ5xw6
>Older / other infographics: https://imgur.com/a/k-infographic-reserve-AIKzwWF

>>64170234
Asterisk the ACH, everybody's got to make sure that theirs is not from Armorsource.
4403MC is a good rec. You should also asterisk RMA and refer people to the old "Why RMA is shit" infographic.

>>64170266
Excellent points, thanks!
>old why RMA is shit infographic
That's old now? It was updated in January! I suppose another one could model the Hesco / Tencate buyers guides and systematically explain why each RMA plate is bad. People are buying the XRT like crazy even though it's underbuilt and is 2mm or so from failing the RF1 test on BFD.

>>64170212
Lol he'll be the last one to admit digital is as good as analog if / when digital catches up. Man's an analog diehard.

I'm going to reroute my comms cables when some updates for my pc arrive. The way it's set up now isn't really efficient, but that's because I was told it had to be spread out to avoid signal interference. If my handset and cable that routes to my antennae are close together, is that going to be a problem? It would be a lot more tidy the way I want to route it, but I don't know if it will cause issues.

>>64167531
cool guide brah

>>64170516
Yeah I liked it, her is the 1.0 of it

>>64170835
Where does an NCR duster fall under this?

>>64170996
I would say Militia-Core, it seem like it would fit with there description.

>>64170206
What did you buy?
>>64170463
Depends on the HT and quality of the cable shielding.

>>64171072
Probably not great cable shielding. It's all amazon shit.

>>64171082
What's your HT and what power are you outputting?

>>64171098
Baofeng AR-152, and probably less than the advertised 10 watts.

>>64171102
That could be an issue. the AR-152 is basically a dressed up UV-5R with a super jumbo 12,000mAh battery. The UV-5R is known for spurious transmissions and poor shielding. You'd have to test to see if your specific setup will have issues, but the risks of interference are elevated versus better radios.
Also, this is unrelated to your question, it's generally advised to run radios on the minimum power necessary to reach your intended target. This is both ham practice and also good comsec. Less chance of eavesdropping. Also reduces interference and battery drain.

>>64171129
I have my radio set to low power, specifically because the only time I've ever used it was larping with my friends on our hikes. I have a couple of UV-5R's as well, mostly just to have them on hand in case I ever had to hand them out. They're all programed to the same channels, so I can just say "switch to X channel". I'll probably just end up rerouting my cables, because it'll look nicer, and if we're being honest, I'm not doing any actual operator shit with it anyways. I usually just run around the house in my pc, listening to the NOAA broadcasts.

>>64171139
Excellent. I run a UV-25D myself, keep it on low most of the time, but have used the high 45W (VHF) setting on occasion.

>>64170266
>https://imgur.com/a/k-infographic-reserve-AIKzwWF
Added JOBBLOC (updated version) to the infographic reserve. Pic rel is the RMA sucks infographic in case people haven't seen it before.

>>64170191 (OP)
I see this is the breaching edition. Our good friends on aliexpress are now offering hydraulic rebar cutters in different sizes with different work effort and shearing capabilities. This shit is popular with bike thieves because it can cut padlocks and is more compact than equivalent full size boltcutters. Could be applicable to BREACHING larp for normies.

>>64171422
Ever since I got one I have been having fun

>>64171437
Based. How about an upgrade?
https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256805572729881.html

Totally out of left field. Looking to add a collapsible ladder to my larp kit. Are these any good?

Has anyone made a helmet tier list?
Maybe like something that starts from a PFG milsurp steel helm that can MAYBE resist a few shots of 9mm or .45, to PASGT, ACH, ECH & then near the top stuff that can attach night vision, face shields or even that extra helmet armor to more reliably stop rifle rounds from the front

>>64171587
Looks like the head of a penis. You wanna be a dick head?

>>64171587
Yugo and Serbian helmets are known to stop anti-tank rounds

Serbian Berets also have a Level VI rating, and trad serb hats kave a IIIA rating

>>64171601
>Level VI
*Level IV

>>64171593
Romanians: pioneering being dickheads

>>64171587
No but that's a based infographic idea. A helmet buyers guide and an accessory guide would be real handy.
There's a huge amount of bullshittery in helmets too, especially since the standard hasn't been updated since the 80s and there isn't even an official IIIA rating. Rifle ratings are even worse. Clearing that up would be good.
Also, basically any helmet can be retrofitted with NV, rails, face shields. SLAAP rifle plates are trickier. I use a Ceradyne BA3A retrofitted with a clamp rail set. If I had to upgrade it would be a Highcom RCH.

>>64171587
Are you implying PASGTs and ACHs can't take night vision?

>>64171616
>He attaches his NODs to his helmet
lmao, get with the tanker hat/outdated NODs gang

Been a while since I've posted a kit pic. I think I'm finally running out of soft armor to put on this thing. Any suggestions, anons?

>>64171616
That could be a side grade or bonus.

Idk if those bulletproof meme masks would be bonus or what

>>64171605
You are now aware you can buy M855-rated helmet plates to protect your noggin.
https://www.hardheadveterans.com/products/rifle-rated-ballistic-helmet-up-armor-defeats-7-62
Curiously Adept won't sell the M855A1-rated plate they had for the Bastion years ago. Sadly that helmet is vaporware. Ceradyne many, many years ago (~2004) was working on boron carbide applique helmet plates to resist 7.62 steel-core AP but those either went nowhere or will never see the light of day. I think Zylon being an epic fail caused some waves with ceramic composites like that. A B-32 API / M80A1 frontal 4lb helmet would be tits though.

Is there any reason, besides cost, not to buy a FIBLE direct from the OEM (like Propper)? Is it just not worth the money to buy new compared to other non-issued packs?

>>64171616
that setups not the greatest
>t. what I'm currently using

>>64171633
Skirt: https://jinwudun.com/products/nij-iiia-tactical-bulletproof-skirt-nylon-fabric-equipped-with-laser-cut-molle-system-pe-material
Limbs: https://jinwudun.com/products/jwd-bulletproof-arm-guard-american-standard-iiia-ga2-level-bulletproof-1000d-polyester-material-tactical-bulletproof-kit
Just hit up Jinwu's website really. They're de facto the poorfag leaders of extremity armor. Also get a cheap ballistic shield off ebay.

>>64171656
Nobody said it was but thanks

>>64171633
>I think I'm finally running out of soft armor to put on this thing
>just that
Coward

>>64171642
I feel the problem with a rifle rated helmet is that I feel like the hit from any rifle round (even when being padded) would be equivalent to a sucker punch right into your brain

>>64171465
Huh I got the regular large one and have definitely cut rebar with it.
It did take some time but I did?

>>64171666
>satan's trips
The problem here is that the NIJ helmet standard, 0106.01, has not been updated since the 80s, has no robust BFD measurement, no compliant product list, and no certification process. Ergo while some helmets will take the behind armor blunt trauma into account, others won't. Because BFD results aren't published for many helmets it's a crapshoot. I would be more confident with, say, a Highcom RCH over some opscore helmets. Really we need appliques to handle M855.
I'd have to dig, but Tencate at some point, maybe 2005, applied LIBA to helmet appliques and came up with a Level IV solution that weighed something absurd. I think the helmet was 8-9lb? Full coverage M2AP.
They were working on an 0106.02 in 2002 to fix the above issues but it died.

>>64171675
The different models are rated for rebar diameter and cutting force. The largest dick pump looking one is 14 tons. The hand jacks cap out at 13.
I'm curious if the seller has harder blades for sale. Aliexpress hidden links are notorious for being ultra based.

>>64171682
I buy most of my shit mil-surp because
1. cheap
2. If it's good enough for the military it is probably fine for me

Also milsurp makes great camping/hunting stuff

>>64171691
Now I want more

>>64171422
I was ona busy task force in a ghetto blue city and we did multiple hits on old homes divided into apts and the projects and I used this small pry bar more than anything else I carried. Also I had the clip on mirror for my 26” ASP baton in my admin pouch and used it for peaks around corners and in attics, etc.

>>64171697
Typical Radovan W.
>>64171728
Aliexpress / Alibaba sellers have a lot of seriously spicy and sometimes illegal stuff behind hidden links. Build a rapport with sellers and you can ask about their back catalogs. China will sell you anything for the right price.
It's kinda like armor. LTC for example won't sell you high-end plates designed later than about 2014. Their secret stuff is 1-2 gens beyond what's offered to the public. Lot of weird shit too. You need to gain their trust, via credentials (China don't give a shit who you are, they just want money and five star reviews).
>>64171733
Got any horror stories? I like the mirror idea a lot. Tardigrade, the guys that make the 5.1lb .223-rated steel face mask from last thread, makes a picatinny mirror you put on your gun, but IMO the baton idea is a lot better.

>>64171819
> .223-rated steel face mask
I still believe that shit was subsonic or somehow gimped.
It's officially only IIIA rated. At 5.1 pounds. lol
> LTC for example won't sell you high-end plates designed later than about 2014. Their secret stuff is 1-2 gens beyond what's offered to the public.
And yet the military's plates are nothing special. Kind of strange, isn't it?

This general really went to shit, huh? Somehow you guys managed to attract even more retarded people than that Italian noguns kid that bought used backpacks all day.

>>64172081
>Officially only IIIA
It probably shatters when faced (hah) against M80, the Level III test threat.
>LTC plates
Long one, sorry. Depends by what you mean as special. The LTC 28534 (REV. J ESAPI) is significantly tougher than a Hesco 4801 provided it is run with IIIA for not much more weight, the LTC 28570 is nearly 1.5lb lighter than the RMA XRT for superior protection and literally 1.5lb lighter than the Highcom 3S9M for same rating, less multi-hit on M80. LTC 28791 beats the Hesco U210 up pretty badly. 0.4lb heavier but M80 defeat. Price-gouged to hell though. Funny thing, the only one there that isn't civ-purchasable from one of their dealers is the 28570. That one was made only a few years ago, and is one gen behind (SOCOM awarded GEN-6 around 2023). The 28791 is two gens behind. There's a GEN-5B and GEN-6 LTC TSA/LTO beyond what Apex is trying to pass off as current with the 28791. The 28534 technically one if we count VTP ESAPIs as successors to REV. J. The LTC 28601 XSAPI? Literally first made in 2009 and sold as the Diamondback Tactical XSP. I very much doubt the FBI, one of its end users, has been using the same XSAPI design for sixteen years. That one is probably three or four models behind.

The point, really, is that LTC by consequence of a "nothing to civs that isn't way behind" rule has a large shadow roster of really nice plates. The GEN-5B TSA/LTO should be lighter than the VelSys PBZSA and match the U210 / U211 on weight, while the GEN-6 is likely lighter than 4lb and provides the same M80 / BZ / M855A1 defeat as prior LTCs. This would make it the best SRT-type plate anywhere.

It's looking pretty good

>>64172248
> It probably shatters when faced (hah) against M80, the Level III test threat.
Come on. It's not SRT rated, either. It's IIIA + subsonic .223 or some shit like that. If it were actually rated for .223 or 7.62x39mm, they'd say so, or they're too retarded to live.
> Long one, sorry. Depends by what you mean as special.
A lot of words to say that literally no Level IV plate is lighter than the 4801.
> I very much doubt the FBI, one of its end users, has been using the same XSAPI design for sixteen years.
Except they have. The military has been trying to modernize the old XSAPI with the VTP-XSAPI and they keep fucking it up.

>>64172401
>not SRT rated either
Well, no, it's likely just taking advantage of M855 being a very poor performer against steel armor
>Long one
LTC 26310, Protech 9812-R1, Tencate CXP-800 are all lighter than the 5.6lb SAPI M Hesco 4801. Most of the lighter ones are .04 plates, but the point remains.
>Except they have
XSAPI has been through at least three revisions since 2007. REV. A, REV. B, REV. C, there's a rumored D, and then the VTP XSAPIs that keep failing ballistic reqs. The 28601 is either A or B depending on when exactly it was introduced. The earliest known example is from 2009 so I'm leaning B. We know with C the required weight dropped to 6lb from 6.5lb for a SAPI M. 28601 is heavier than that as a swimmer M.

>>64172483
> Well, no, it's likely just taking advantage of M855 being a very poor performer against steel armor
You don't even know that it was M855 and they never said what velocity the impact was at. In other words, it's probably complete bullshit.
> CX800
This appears to be an ICW plate, so the actual weight is above 5.6 pounds
https://spar-tac.shop/product/tencate-multi-light-cx-800-ic-ballistic-plate/?lang=en
> We know with C the required weight dropped to 6lb from 6.5lb for a SAPI M.
Do you know where this was mentioned? I thought that the VTP plates were supposed to be around 6 pounds SAPI M. It would be weird if they keep fucking up at the same weight as the Rev C.

>>64170835
my winter wear has been terrorwave/partisan core for years now

>>64172511
>M855
The velocity is uncertain, I agree it's probably out of an ARP or something to get it below 2,500ft/s. You aren't cracking most steel armor with that. However, that's still a marked improvement over other facial armor. Still unacceptably heavy though.
>CX800
In another win for Tencate's naming conventions, I meant the CXP-800, not the CX-800. The CXP-800 is a standalone 5.39lb plate rated to both Level III and IV. It has double the multi hit of the 4801.
>REV. C
FQ/PD 07-03 Revision D outlines XSAPI REV. C, IIRC.
>VTP
Those are meant to be 5.4lb or so, standalone, 58mm BFD limit, swimmer cut. Otherwise same or better ballistic performance as prior XSAPIs. VTP ESAPIs are below 5lb. You can see why the XSAPIs are going to have trouble.

>>64172713
lmao. The 5.1 pound mask guys literally hoodwinked you with a video that's probably fake or pure BS. There's no evidence that the shot in the video is >2500 fps either! For all we know it could be from 500 yards and 1000 fps.
> I meant the CXP-800
I can't find this anywhere. Weird that it's so much better than the CX. I wonder what the "P" stands for, lol
> VTP
Maybe the procurement guys are retarded?

>>64172936
Hold up, there's no maybe about it. I just learned that the "X" in XSAPI stands for "xensoteria"

>>64171658
>>64171666
> The year is 2026
> Pull up to ukraine
> An actual fucking live combine soldier is sitting in the trench I'm being deployed to
> Look closer
> There's Jinwudun tags on his gear

>>64172936
>Mask
It could be from 500 yards and 1,000ft/s, sure. However, keep in mind this thing weighs 5.1lb. You could literally tape an SRT plate to your face, save weight, save money, and get better protection. Given the poor performance of M855 vs steel, it's feasible it could be going faster than that. The problem with this mask is that it's five pounds on your face. Add a helmet with NV and you're at ten.
What we need is a test report from SMS, HP White, etc.
>CXP-800
Tencate's catalog, here:
https://integriscomposites.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/08/Integris-Multi-light-data-sheets-v1.8.pdf
>VTP
If you want my honest take, I think they're trying to bag XSAPI via impossible requirements. Nobody seems to like the things. They add weight, have an irrelevant level of extra protection, and will be trounced by any modern 7.62 penetrator better than M993 at 3,050ft/s.

>>64172945
Yeah they had a stroke. It's really X-threat.
Shit gets weirder with the exotic SAPI variants. You've got the light SAPI (LSAPI), the Lares SAPI (also LSAPI), LITE SAPI (USMC Lite plate), ECSAPI (enhanced capability) not to be confused with the enhanced SAPI (ESAPI), there's also references to a next generation XSAPI not to be confused with the next gen NGSAPI, etc.
>>64172979
Ah yes he's right next to the mercenaries in full Militech armor with digital quad nods. We're cyberpunking it tonight boys.

>>64173326

The best "IV" Plates are still things like the MH3 and the reason they aren't made is fairly mundane, its cost and market demand at the price needed to have a workable profit margin.

>>64173482
It's also sadly that Ceradyne is more or less defunct. In their prime, they had ways of breezing past others' limitations. The MH3 is still really impressive by today's standards. 4.2lb SAPI M, ICW IIIA, rated for twelve M995 or 1-2 .30-06 M2AP. With modern high-end soft armor it's still under 5lb and mogs the Hesco 4800 despite being like twenty years old. In their IMP/ACT brochure they had a multi-hit 5.7lb ICW IIIA M993-stopper, in 2004.

>>64172979
>He's got a skirt and parabolic microphone cat ears
>You have no choice
>He shields you with a really shitty PE shield
>He lets you borrow his aholetech
>You give him the 4SUS4
>Highcums all over the plate
>You just can't tencate it anymore
>In exchange for paying him to draw "art" with surplus crayons that were left on the Bradley that just blew up down the street, he gives you the hesco 4609
>It's a 4601 but 0.3lb lighter and that justifies $400 more monies
>That's like five commissions
>Drones
>Life is shit
>The memes are shit
>Can't even get good internet
>It's just the skirts
>too many skirts
>And really shitty helmets
The way of Jinwudun

>>64172638
Nice I would be same but I can't give up my blue jeans.
They are just to nice to not wear.

>>64170191 (OP)
What is the best kit to start rucking?
I kinda want to go with goruck since they seem to popular and have patches for completing hard workouts.

I have never build a kit before and would like to start.
>>64170234
>>64170835
>>64167531
>>64171437
These look good

>>64174516
to start get a cheaper pack like an ALICE or some hiking bag.

>>64172979
It would be really funny if The Combine just showed up to Ukraine and conquered both of them

>>64174524
Got a good recommendation for a bag the won't rip?
I was using my old hiking/school bag till it gave out a week ago.
Granted it was fairly old.

>>64174584
China, using Jinwudun combine gear, will zerg rush Kiev and Moscow alike. The nork soldiers will execute order 48.

>>64174588
FILBE?

>>64174610
Looks great thanks

>>64174619
the ALICE pack I mentioned will also work, but FILBE is great.

Twink infantryman here. I have a small JPC 2.0 but I find that even with the cummerbund at its tightest setting it's still a little too big for me unless I'm wearing cold weather gear underneath. It ends up flopping around a bit and sliding backwards when I have my camelbak attached. What's a good elastic/stretch cummberbund I can swap onto the thing to keep it tight onto my body?

>>64174885
have you tried overlapping the cummerbund in the back?

>>64174896
Yeah, no dice. The cummerband has to pass through the strip of fabric the zippers for zip on packs attach to and it can't go all the way through. Right now I have it pulled tight enough to where the cummberbund ends overlap by one MOLLE cell and it's still loose.

>>64174885
>Twink infantryman here.
Please don't ever get captured, the Russians will rape you

>>64174901
you mind posting a pic? also Crye sells a stretch cummerbund for the JPC.

hey Radovan, what do you think of this?

Where can I buy grommets/eyelets/drain holes that are painted?
I can't find any on berry complaint fabric sites. I assume they would be there but I can't find them.
I want the same type you would find on proper gear, that's why I'm looking on those sites.

>>64174978
amazon. just google black brass grommets.

>>64174994
I want black, coyote, FDE, I specified in the post I'm looking for the right grommets and I can't find it anywhere.
I assume they are available on sites that sell berry compliant fabric and materials but I can't find them there.

>>64175046
https://csosborneupholsterytools.com/product/no-b1-dull-black-grommets-washers/
is this good? they where recommended by other people making gear. don't know about other colors but you can just paint them.

>>64174619
>>64174870
FILBE is basically like the default backpack. IR compliant, good construction, cheap surplus.
>>64174903
I thought the combine deployed the nut suppression field? Did they lose the war? Is the Freeman Russian?

>>64175065
I mean a grommet is a grommet is a grommet but I mean
WTH every nylon gear company can't be painting these themselves??

>>64174967
Based and effective camo on practical hat.

>>64175084
That doesn't mean they can't get a hard on

>>64175098
I don't know man, there probably getting them from there wholesale distributors.

>>64175101
They're gonna be shooting blanks, like people that buy $93 ukraine overrun Level IVs from Highcum!
(which is partly why you can no longer trust anyone in the armor industry)

>>64175101
If I'm wearing all the gear everyone says I should, I'm definitely wearing something silly, the world may ask for clowns but I refuse to be the one who cleans up after the elephants

>>64175177
>you can no longer trust anyone in the armor industry
EXCEPT THE US MILITARY AND ABROAD! FUGG YEAH

>>64175228
Wizard hat is fucking based. Imagine getting bayoneted by a guy wearing a woobie as a robe and a M81 Woodland WIZARD HAT. If I didn't care about head protection I would definitely wear my Serbian Beret on Sep. 23rd, but maybe I will write funny stuff on my PASGT to substitute
(I wanna look like picrel so bad)

>>64175228
Where 2 cop

M-tac ghille p nice

>>64175402
>EXCEPT THE US MILITARY
LISTEN HERE PAL BIG ARMOR IS DENYING OUR TROOPS THE BEST ARMOR. DRAGONSKIN. THEY'VE BEEN DENYING THEM DRAGONSKIN SINCE AFGHANISTAN. WOULD'A CAUGHT BIN LADEN IF THE REAL HARD MEN AT ARA ARA I MEAN TORA BORAELIS COULD PUSH THROUGH THE AK BULLETS THAT NO SAPPY PLATE CAN HANDLE.

SHOULD'A GOT DRAGONSKIN. SHOULD'A LISTENED.

- Sent from my phone using tapatalk
- corporal captain Jimmy "Jizz" Johnson
Suborbital SHALO jumper
Shit in Saddam's toilet 2003-2005
"I carry a .500 S&W because they don't make a .510"

>>64177448
I killed the dragon already how do I skin it?

Love the halligan and flathead axe combo. Have used it with major success.

Picrel mortise lock can legit just be twisted off th door btw

>>64175624
https://kruschiki.com/products/camouflage-wizard-hats?srsltid=AfmBOopnDEdCpoW2pnkwK94j4fVjSy2pOLQpDz-KOweMJRUotW4IdRSA

they've got other camos available

>>64178862
Gasoline. It works 60% of the time.
>>64179130
Yeah, you can spin off a lot of commercial locks too. It's surprising how much urban mobility you get with the correct tools. I think collapsing ladder man upthread might be onto something.

>>64170191 (OP)
who makes a helmet that fits a 25.5 inch/65.5cm head that isnt custom and $2k?

>>64175228
>I PUT ON MY ROBE AND WIZARD HAT....

>>64179907
>GANDALF THE ALPENFLAGE
>AND GANDALF THE MULTICAM TROPIC
>THE BIG BLUE TIGER STRIPE
>AND JAMBI THE WOODLAND
And you took a 20lb collapsing ladder to secure the wizarding position on top of the gas station, allowing you to breach from the top and bottom. Gandald the alpenflage took a .223 to the face but wore a bionicle mask so he's fine. Gandalf the multicam tropic wasted $480 on civ legal flashbangs that didn't do shit. Big blue tiger stripe's car broke down halfway to the boog and he forgot to pack bug spray so his level v plates are gettijg massacred by mosquitos. Jambi the woodland is off stacking mountains trying to rob his house because he's actually in the house across the street and wired multiple turkshit shotguns to roombas.

The state of modern warfare.

>>64174967
Where can I buy such a drippy cap?