Thread 64170894

Is this what Japan looked like in WWI?

>>64170894 (OP)
parts of japan, sure
the same way every country had their industrialization concentrated in the center first before the periphery, so a lot of people continued their almost medieval life for a while

but tokyo itself was very modern by 1912, they even had an electric tramline
western fashion was also in, so suits and tophats were the norm
it was like stepping into victorian london, but the walls are made of rice paper and wood, theres a lot of asians around, and you could grab a rice ball from a street vendor instead of a pastie

>>64170894 (OP)
What do you fucking think?
https://youtu.be/yBZU73HKcjE

>>64170917
Japan was mostly backwards countryside until after they got nuked.

>>64170894 (OP)
That's not a depiction of Japan, that's one of the Gilbert Islands.

>>64170957
You can see how allied air command was salivating over this. An american fire code inspector would have had a stroke before he made it to his hotel

>>64170894 (OP)
WWII pretty much gave the whole country a facelift.

>>64171084
>san, ah'm bout to teach you nips a lesson: gooks in wooden houses oughtn't ter throw bombs

>>64170894 (OP)
No, not like that. But timber and paper construction dominated even in Tokyo. Notice the lack of craters and the lack of debris in picrel. That's because we dropped incendiaries and the resulting firestorm reduced anything flammable to ash. But any building that was made of concrete or masonry is still perfectly recognizable.

>>64171343
And the Japanese didn't build like that because they were stupid and backwards. They did it because Japan is prone to earthquakes and unreinforced masonry buildings are deathtraps. It's not their fault that their traditional building techniques weren't resistant to bombs containing a jellied gasoline and white phosphorous mixture.

>>64171356
It's mainly because they were poor and lacked stone for building.

>>64171356
It's not like when the other countries were coming up with building codes they asked, "hey what if someone drops 1,600 tons of incendiary cluster munitions on a city in a single night?"

>>64171356
The great kanto earthquake kind of proved that the wooden buildings were deathtraps too. Almost half of Tokyo get rekt in the 1920s, then the stuff they built to replace it got rekt in the war.

>>64171371
Maybe if they were going to be little satanic cocksuckers they should have considered the potential consequences.

It's firepower that can cause firestorms in Hamburg and Dresden, so there's nothing we can do about it.

>>64170894 (OP)
But that’s makin atoll

>>64171343
Remember everyone, the Allies were the Good Guys™!

>>64171368
But even castles used mixed wood-and-masonry construction, so cost wasn't the only issue. And when historic buildings do get damaged by earthquakes, it's typically the masonry part that comes out the worst.

>>64171378
>great kanto earthquake
That's very much an outlier event to the point that a century later the Japanese hold earthquake drills on its anniversary. Anything becomes a deathtrap if you subject it to enough force.

>>64171423
They unironically were. Japan lied at saying when they were "liberating" the Asian nations when in reality they were just stealing the land for themselves. Korea is a perfect example. There was no liberation, just a land grab.

>>64171423
>the Allies were the Good Guys™!
Correct

The brick-built cities of the Middle East and Near East could disappear from history with a single, rare major earthquake, so it's best to stick to wooden structures.

>>64171450
Just as a warning, when I was googling Unit 731 to find an image I came across a photo of a vivisected baby and an unrelated one of a Japanese soldier holding up his rifle with an infant skewered on the bayonet. They were both in the first 40 or so results. Needless to say, I regret seeing that and I don't recommend anyone else looks up Unit 731 on google image search.

>>64171423
Maybe Japan shouldn't have declared war on the whole eastern hemisphere

>>64171472
That's not even close to the worst shit they did. The bayonet piñata wasn't 731 though, that's just average Asian subhuman behavior.

>>64171450
>>64171472
Most of the supposed “Unit 731” and “Rape of Nanking” photos are Chicom propaganda.

>>64171423
They were however the USSR was the exception

>>64171488
Don’t forget using Okinawans as shields or taking out anger from American bombing runs on Japan by massacring Chinese civilians

>>64171492
The one I posted here >>64171450 was released by the Japanese National Archives a few years ago.

>>64171488
>The bayonet piñata wasn't 731 though
Like I said
>an unrelated one

>>64171435
>But even castles used mixed wood-and-masonry construction, so cost wasn't the only issue
Unlike the tens of thousands of European castles, Jap castles used mainly wood precisely because lack of stone was an issue.

>when historic buildings do get damaged by earthquakes, it's typically the masonry part that comes out the worst.
You know how many Jap castles have been burned down, accidentally and otherwise? Earthquakes or fire, which do you think is more likely? They'd give an arm and leg to have proper stone castles

>>64171388
The US naturally deserved to win given the circumstances of the war, but you lose your moral superiority about Japs being "satanic" when you realize most of the war criminals responsible for the kamikaze program and unit 731 were pardoned or even handed cushy jobs.

>>64171423
Yes

>>64171492
>Most of the supposed “Unit 731” and “Rape of Nanking” photos are Chicom propaganda
Probably, because cameras were pretty frickin rare back then
But the facts remain true

>>64171507
Yep

>>64171514
>Don’t forget using Okinawans as shields
and commanding them to anhero for the Emperor, leading to an astonishing 50% civilian casualty rate

>>64171539
I don't lose shit, politicians are the fucking devil as well. We empowered them and the Soviets.

>>64171539
>kamikaze program
Not even a warcrime, retard

>>64171368
are you seriously trying to say that a country that is a giant volcanic remnant lacks stone? are you retarded?

>>64171423
Japan had conscripted virtually its entire population so technically speaking, the US *was* striking legitimate military targets.

>>64171546
Using 16-18 year old boys as missile guidance computers is a step up from conventional warfare in my book. I'm not really quoting page and verse from Geneva/Hague.

>>64171423
My country (Australia) was on the Allies side so that makes them the automatic good side duh

>>64170917
>it was like stepping into victorian london, but the walls are made of rice paper and wood, theres a lot of asians around, and you could grab a rice ball from a street vendor instead of a pastie
This sounds max comfy.

>>64171356
>their traditional building techniques weren't resistant to bombs containing a jellied gasoline and white phosphorous mixture.
There's a proverb: Fights and fires are the flowers of Edo.
The city burned constantly even without foreign attacks.

Castles and warehouses were built with thick plaster walls and tiled roofs to protect against fire. However, even with the streamer's slowdown, the incendiary clusters easily penetrated the roofs.

>>64171771
>jap castles
They burnt down constantly even before then.

>>64171423
Japs 100% deserved it.

>>64171472
Shut the fuck up, tourist scum.

>>64171492
>supposed
your post scream /pol/ subhuman trash, but 731 was real. The US government let them walk free because they handed over all the data unscathed.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/16754432/
Just because something was exaggerated or partially faked, doesn't mean the entire thing is.

It sure is convenient that anyone america fights eats babies and experiments on babies and unplugs babies from incubators. It just makes everything so much simpler.

>>64171932
>literally got photographed doing that all the way back before WW2 in china
>situation was so bad that the nazis had to step in and tell them to tone it down
>"sure is convenient that an army already known for their brutality and inhumanity in the last war are continuing that in this war"

>>64171898
This. If anything, they deserved way worse than they got.

>>64171932
Geopolitics is Greek to most people, and much harder to justify dying for, so you have to rely on emotional appeals. However, 731 was legitimate as >>64171913 said. Their research was useful. America had no problem experimenting on people, many times. Don't wouldn't handwave away humans capacity for cruelty.

>>64171938
"Don't wouldn't". Time to go to bed.

>>64171423
Regardless, if there was just one bad guy in the war, it was Japan.

>>64171932
It's one time, tard

I'm going to punch an American WWII vet, fuck these assholes.

>>64171938
>Their research was useful.
they actually found out most of it was not particularly useful
they just confiscated the data on the off-chance that it might have been, but in the end very little of it proved practical

>>64171966
It helped with CIA torture and assassination techniques. They want you to think it's useless.

>>64171966
knowing what doesn't work / doesn't give useful data also has value
a sadist cutting someone open and having some fun can still confirm shit we reasoned would be bad. but now you have a) confirmation that it's bad, b) the details of how the bad shit works out.
is it worth given the full immunity for that data? probably not, but the US didn't know that until it had the data. at that point it's just how useful the data is but how much revoking said immunity is going to affect your trustworthiness.

The Chad Imperial Japanese were murdering chinsects and vatniks, America chose the wrong side

>>64170894 (OP)
Japan wasn't an urbanised society until the early 1960's, and until that point the majority of people were smallholding farmers (average farm was 2.45 acres), also the mechanization of Japanese agriculture didn't really start until after the post-war land reforms. So if you visited the Japanese countryside in the early to mid 20th century you would see men toiling in the fields in a very similar manner to their great-grandfathers, it was rustic for a long time.

>>64171551
I'm not a rockologist but that's what they say is the reason jap castles are built different

Fuck knows why, wrong kind of rock or whatever perhaps

>>64172002
Transport infrastructure.
You can't move thousands of tons of tuff slabs across hundreds of miles using only shoulder yokes, pushcarts and the occasional one-ox carriage.
Especially not over what most of the time were just glorified foot paths. Throughout a large part of Japanese history, the roads went from the imperial capital to provincial ones, and from each provincial one to a handful local points of interest, but that was it. General interconnectivity was low.

>>64172035
>move thousands of tons of tuff slabs across hundreds of miles
Which is why most European castles tended to use local materials. Most of the time you can identify what kind of stone was common in the area by what kind of stone the local castles are built with.
Which goes back to the relative scarcity of stone in Japan: they faced transport difficulties, because they had to transport it, because there wasn't enough in the local quarries

>>64170894 (OP)
Pretty sure not a few rural fishing villages looked like that while school girls like pic were hanging around the streets in the cities.

>>64172066
Interesting how Japan industrialized at a faster pace than Soviet Russia between 1919 and 1939, without killing 15-odd million people in the process.

>>64170894 (OP)
This is what a lot of the US looked like in the 1940s!

>>64171444
>Japan lied at saying when they were "liberating" the Asian nations when in reality they were just stealing the land for themselves
They were not just "stealing land", they were conquering it and enslaving the peoples too.
Revisionist history makes me sick.

>>64171444
Good old fashioned empire building, which today would be called "cultural genocide"
They raped a lot of the women but the only thing they didn't do, which they used to in the old days, is castrate all the men so they couldn't ever rebuild even if they rebelled
Ancient times were fucking brutal

>>64170957
>>64171084
>sir this guy insistently wants to enlist, despite having a history of strokes, multiple this month alone and I suspect he suffered some kind of face paralysis, because now his face is frozen in some kind of strange grin. He arguments that his former work experience is crucial on helping the war effort.

>>64171423
>the Allies were the Good Guys
Yes.

>>64172103
Not being one of the biggest of WW1 might have helped. And they were already more modernized than Russia befor the war.

>>64172290
I wonder what elderly WWII POWs think of modern shibari fetishes?

>>64172299
I don't think they even know about them. And given that most POWs were badly mistreated and died earlier because of that mistreatment, I doubt any of them are still alive now.

>>64171423
Shouldn't have attacked us. Don't throw stones in paper houses.

>>64172299
Depends I think
I can understand now that I'm older why they would still hate Japs. Some things are just too intense to forgive

On the other hand we've been good allies for the best part of a century now, and there are far worse enemies out there. (Which ironically used to be allies).

My granddad wasn't a POW but did live as a civilian under Jap occupation. His brother risked his life to stop Japs from raping a bunch of girls. So life wasn't brilliant. Even so, he didn't really carry a grudge. He made friends with Japs later on in life and visited them in Japan.

As for modern kinks - I doubt anyone's really surprised.

>>64172373
My great uncle was a POW of the Japanese and I've heard oldwer relatives talk about him. Before the war the guy was the epitome of a chad, he was clever, popular, he was respected in a quiet way in the rural area we come from and had a bright future ahead of him.
He came back from captivity broken. He never married, never had children, he worked odd jobs, lived quietly alone and suffered in a quiet way every day of his life before dying in his 50s.
Fuck the Japs. Fuck them in their dumb slanty eyed faces every day, for ever and for the rest of time. I think we should let the chinese do whatever they want to them and it STILL wouldn't be enough humiliation and suffering for what they did.

>>64170894 (OP)
There are places in Japan that look like that today.

>>64171444
>>64172204
>Good old fashioned empire building, which today would be called "cultural genocide"
That's because WWII Japan was essentially a XVIII/XIX century country with somewhat modern gear
You could clearly saw it in the culture clash when dealing with POW's etc
>how can beating POW's be a bad thing when we beat our own soldiers all the fucking time
>bong officer committed suicide rather than being captured? Vely Honolable, buly him with honours
It extended even to the civilian population, when first burger occupation troops arrived in some places, the local governing bodies drowned them in hookers they prepared beforehand because they fully expected them going on a raping spree just like their on soldier would.

>>64171423
they were the better guys

>>64172290
that's a racist caricature of a japanese man, very disrespectful

>>64171472
>and an unrelated one of a Japanese soldier holding up his rifle with an infant skewered on the bayonet
I'm not a nip apologist but that particular one is literally from a Chinese movie.

>>64172428
Yep
I always say, WW2 is when the US encountered an army with a medieval culture, WW1 tactics, and a modern navy, and couldn’t make sense of it
The Japs were like
>wait what WDYM I can't put the POWs to the sword, plunder the town and rape all the wimmin?
>if I take a town by storm that's my rights!
>that's my rights!

>>64171544
The military is just the enforcement arm of the criminal politicians' / businessmen's criminal empire.