Thread 64177305

Is it stolen valor if you were actually in the military but make shit up?

>In 2013, The New Yorker reported that during a late-night drinking session, Kyle recounted driving to New Orleans after hearing about looting in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina. He and another man allegedly brought sniper rifles and positioned themselves at a vantage point on top of the city's Mercedes-Benz Superdome. Kyle claimed the duo shot a number of armed civilians they identified as making trouble. According to the report, one of those present said Kyle claimed to have shot 30 people himself; Another recollected Kyle asserting the two men had shot 30 people between them; the third did not recall a specific number.[50]

Only draftee have valor. All volunteers are pogs in spirit.

No, its just being an attention-seeking bullshit artist. Tbh, dying young was the best outcome for Kyle. He didn't live to have to deal with the Ventura case (frankly, Ventura went soft on his wife and estate, if he had been alive he could have taken the libel case much further), and if he had been around for the boom of bro-vet podcasting circa ~2015 he would have embarrassed himself telling many more transparently false anecdotes, plus I don't think he would have handled the sudden irrelevance of GWOT experience post-2022; leading him to either have a breakdown or feel compelled to tell ever more extreme and fanciful tales in order to compete with footage coming out of Ukraine.

>>64177305 (OP)
there's nothing worse than a zogbot
except a zogbot impersonator

>"shot unarmed sandniggers award" x200
Valor?

>be jesse ventura
>tried to emulate your former costar schwarzenegger and create a multimedia empire based on your image
>failed miserably
>suddenly some dudebro poster boy for the navy seals start pulling out bullshit after bullshit about you
>sue his widow's ass and pile up millions in reparations
>not quite done yet
>sue the publisher of kyle's book for double
>about to win this one again
>tfw a washed up actor from 80s action movies is slowly but surely dismantling one of the greatest propaganda piece of the american military

>>64177517
When the only people you care about are special forces dude bros and one attention seeker lies about you to make himself look better then gets shot in the head what other recourse do you have to make pipe hitters stop talking shit about you?

>>64177517
One of these guys was full of shit. The other one is Jesse

>>64177305 (OP)
>Is it stolen valor if you were actually in the military but make shit up?
If a hypothetical water dog claims they were doing black ops shit backflipping out of helicopters and 360-noscoping tangos, then I would argue that it's little different from if a neverserved were saying it.

>>64178042
It's even worse because they should know better, and ultimately an actual specops dude being a full of shit liar does more damage to their reputation and publuc trust than some necerserved wannabe.

his best story is about him allegedly shooting some carjackers then telling the police that came to call some super sekrit phone number in the pentagon so that someone could tell them that he was a genuine war hero and to let him go

>>64177517
I understand that Chris Kyle was a lying blowhard shitbag, but imagine rooting for a traitorous piece of shit that kneels for the Crapxican flag.

>>64178118
>low IQ alcoholics tryhards making shit up
water under the bridge. that's all it is

>>64177305 (OP)
>golems
>honor

>>64177305 (OP)
>Boasts about committing 30 murders
It's not stolen valor when there's nothing valorous about your claims

>>64178554
I hate this faggot edgelord so much it’s unreal.

>>64178141
Jesse ventura is pretty based policy wise. You're just a retard that licks government boots

How blown out is Taya Kyle's pussy to be whoring out your dead husband's image to turkroach ammo just to make a few dollars?

>>64177305 (OP)
before the internet everybody made shit up

>>64178784
no he isnt, hes a deluded boomer that likes the sound of his own voice

>>64177309
wrong, only dead soldiers have valor. everyone who made it back alive is a pog.

>>64177305 (OP)
Honestly, nobody outside the military or their close relatives gives a shit about "stolen valor" and golems are such a small percentage of the general population that basically nobody cares.

>>64178876
Not everyone built a lifestyle brand out of it. And those that did usually lost their following instead of just carrying on as usual.

>>64178554
Someone post the same hyde copypasta kek

>>64178929
no,nobody called people for lying about their service record, nobody really cared and you took a man at his word. caring about stolen valor is a modern thing.

>>64178554
>I AM the AUTHORITY
>proceeds to artillery strike civilians
>Yeah, I'm a badass

>>64177422
damn i never thought about how funny him doing the podcast circuit would've been

>>64179016
What civilians were present at tora bora

>>64178136
Ironically that comes off as more believable than him driving through floodwaters, climbing on top of a stadium, and shooting 3 dozen people without any of the thousands of people and cops in the stadium or the nonstop news coverage from helicopters noticing him. Not to mention the Superdome is surrounded on one side by the interstate and the other by office buildings.

>>64179030
Listen to Shrunk's Jew Ryan interview snippets again.

what exactly caused the shift to make american operators go from quiet and secretive to full on larp mode yappers?

>>64179160
NTA but no I'm not listening to anything like any of this, can you just be explicit about your accusation instead of making a very vague claim.

>>64179231
The collective guilt of Americans about how poorly Vietnam vets were treated leading to a post-9/11 fueled overcorrection that generated a whole industry of plastic patriots with money to spend and the glorification of specops attracting motivated narcissists eager to take advantage of the situation.

>>64179231
2007 double whammy of lone survivor and cod 4

>>64179160
I did . He didn’t say anything out of school about tora bora

>>64178554
Hasn't lied about anything

>>64179231

GWOT. More specifically post-9/11 journalistic fellatio pieces about the exploits of spec ops and them all publishing ghost written memoirs that exaggerate things even more (i.e 5 afghan gunmen becomes 500). This wasn't the first example of this happening: After the gulf war several SAS soldiers cashed in writing memoirs about their exploits (this is the Chris Ryan, Andy McNab, Cyril Clunge genre) but the UK quickly quashed this by making all serving members be unable to write about their time in the SAS and blacking out their faces in official photos.

The DOD didn't do that probably because "it helps recruitment" without seeing the a monkey's paw curl and the end result being instead of OG Delta Force guys who'd would learn spanish, grow a porno mustache, overthrow a south american government then live a quiet life selling photocopiers you had roided up guys joining SOCOM specifically because they wanted public adoration and who saw nothing wrong about profiting from their service by hawking coffee or yapping on a podcast. It also contributing factor for why you heard about more gungho raids (especially where things go south) because older style extended recon/observation might be valuable for the war effort but you won't get on JRE to talk about how you spend 2 weeks hiding in a bush observing an enemy C3.

>>64179231
They always having been writing books, giving interviews, and having TV shows anf movies made. Only difference now there's a bunch of internet podcasts.

>>64177305 (OP)
No it's just retarded and gay. Lying about being in the military is gay/retarded. Lying about what you did in the military is gay/retarded. And being in the military at all is gay/retarded. I don't wanna hear a story about someone's shit Walmart job why would I wanna hear about yours?

>>64179281
>how poorly Vietnam vets were treated
It was wrong to target non-combat POGs and draftees, but the ones involved in specops deserved it. Special forces were given a pass to do some really fucked up stuff. This is true even (and especially) now with Iraq/Afghan specops veterans.

>>64179956
>but the ones involved in specops deserved it
stop watching movies you wetbrain retard.

>>64179965
Phoenix Program is literally a matter of public record.

>>64177305 (OP)
Nah I did absolutely fuck all in the army but it's fun making up increasingly bullshit tall tales, a couple months ago I told my family I shot a sniper out of one of those stupid Muslim towers with a sabot round

>>64178554
I love this guy
he makes /k/ larpers seethe like GarandThumb kek

>>64180004
>increasingly bullshit tall tales
Speak for yourself, my 25' beer bong was real

>>64179987
I've seen this before but just noticed the texas belt buckle, which perfectly encapsulates the massive faggot Kris Kyle was.

>>64178784
He turned into a frail old man who votes democrat, his only policy now is sucking cock

>>64179987
Don't use my phrases.

>>64179987
kek

>>64177517
>be jesse
>be based

>>64177305 (OP)
I have no doubt this retard killed random unarmed civilians. I doubt they were looters.
And raped women. And dodged taxes.

>>64178141
Found the jew

>>64177517
> Jesse "The Vaxxtard" Ventura
Stupid old boomer believes in goyvid

>>64180765
Go back to /x/, schizo

>>64178784
>licks government boots
You sound "fully vaccinated" LMFAO

>>64180197
Only two things come out of Texas, steers and queers

>>64180774
Cry harder vaxfag
Nobody forced you to get the clot shot

>>64179593
I don’t know if I’ve gotten older or just grown tired of the schtick. Seeing middle aged men with this kind of bravado comes across as insanely insecure and the actions of weak men. Truthfully, a lot of these spec ops types lack the fitness to be professional athletes and the brains to be doctors/engineers (and yes, there are exceptions to both). It really speaks to how long these fucking ears were going on that they could keep some semblance of relevancy. I don’t need stories anymore. I can see feeds if Ukraine and watch wilder shit than any of these edgy fags can claim. All from dudes just trying to survive instead of sell me on a product

>>64181443
*wars not ears

>>64180045
Can I get a qrd

>>64181456
Delta force faggot who comes across as an autistic contrarian edgelord who spins bullshit stories and gives horrible, horrible advice that will get you killed. Absolutely cannot fucking stand him

>>64177305 (OP)
I used to think this was bullshit. Then I learned about the literal thousands of nogs killed in New Orleans during Katrina. Now i think it's entirely possible.

>>64181456
John McPhee is a well-known Delta Force operator who had combat experience in Iraq. He rubs people the wrong way with his exuberance when retelling his war stories. People allege he is exaggerating or making it up. He's done solo ops behind enemy lines. All the stuff the Navy Seals wish they had done. Doesn't mean he didn't actually do it though.

>>64181741
His advice is so bad and he’s such a fucking try-hard grifter it makes everything he says immediately suspect

>>64182142
Do you have an example? The clip Sam Hyde and Nick Rochefort clown him for was decent advice. He said don't clear a house without a 3 to 1 advantage. Either hold your ground or retreat.
As for grifting. It used to mean something like out of the sting. It's so overused now. What questionable supplements or merch is he selling?

>>64178815
>Made in Czech Republic

>>64182446
NTA but only an idiot would take someone who claimed to have pretended to be a retard to accomplish recon missions seriously. Additionally, "hide in your closet with a pistol" is fucking gay advice; if you have a family you can't just cower like that, you need to be proactive.

>>64182662
Proactive to a point dummy. I don't know why everyone keeps asking trained soldiers advice on dealing with a break in and then getting bent out of shape when they inevitably tell Joe Everyman to call the cops and hold an angle. Fuck, you guys got pissed when Jocko said the best advice for getting in a knife fight outside a club at 2 in the morning was to run away like he was going to legitimately tie himself to some fat slob getting sodomized by his own karambit trying out a technique he heard described on the Joe Rogan Experience
>baaaaaawww I wanted to hear him describe some Bullshido techniques that sound awesome!!!

>>64182446
https://youtu.be/cS-Ukl58teA?si=-jtEi3BefsMRd9dS

Some of the most dogshit advice ever

>>64182714
I'd never ask this fag for any advice because he is an obvious liar and you should be ashamed of yourself for believing anything he said. I don't watch faggy beard oil podcasts, Jocko, or Shawn Ryan or any of that. I just saw the Sam Hyde bit and I'm glad to see liars get dunked on because they are creating a fake history and deserve ridicule for it. This dude is a fraud who was demoted and fired ffs, go fan someone else's balls.