Thread 64180205

>drones hunt vehicles directly on frontline
>drones hunt vehicles 5km behind frontline
>drones hunt vehicles 20km behind frontline
>drones hunt vehicles 150km behind frontline
Whats next?

In some deep Russian rear drone hits Puccian mrap

>>64180205 (OP)
Honestly, you'd think that someone would get smart about creating a defense against drones by now. It isn't that difficult.

>>64180214
>*angry boomer noises*
>use combined warfare, Chud!
>use air superiority, Chud!

>>64180214
>just counter drones, are they stupid or something

>>64180262
>the vatnigger expresses his confusion and anger at the concepts he cannot comprehend or utilize

>>64180262
Yeah, why won't russia use combined warfare and air superiority? Doesn't sound like too much effort for the world's second superpower.

Drones hunt soldiers and officers in their own homes before the war even starts

>>64180205 (OP)
>this is an analogue of our lancet
Analgovnonet zisters, our response?

>>64180262
>>64180268
The tech already exists.
We already have AI assisted tracking, computer assisted air defense, microwave guns, spoofing and jamming tech.
It just needs to be adapted.
Or maybe you're just to simple to get it.

>>64180290
>AnalGovnoNet*
Ftfy

>>64180277
This works both ways.
Ukrainians had massive casualties of artillery form kamikaze drones.
But boomers sit on their ass and handwave problem away.
Every SPG send to Ukraine should have this installed
https://youtube.com/watch?v=W18JC1-Okj4
But you know the drill
>Just use combined warfare, Chud!

>>64180296
Ukraine never LARPed as a superpower.

>>64180293
>The tech already exists
And west is very lazy and alwi to adap to this immediate problem. Solutions should be delivered yesterday, but west Is lazy to adopt them even tomorrow.
Like Ukrainians semi solved Russian ISR drones spam by their own quadcopter interceptor drones. When West enjoying peace time and massively larger budgets delivered nothing.

>>64180296
>It works on drones that are practically standing still
Whoa, impressive

>>64180307
They shot in this video drones flying at 35mph and 60mph.
Also watch their presentation it's on YouTube too.

>>64180262
>the zoomer's mind misunderstood the post and immediately became enraged and started rambling nonsense
MANY such cases.

>>64180214
>Honestly, you'd think that someone would get smart about creating a defense against drones by now.
That someone is you.

>It isn't that difficult.
We await your imminent success, once you have a prototype system ready, there are combat units in Ukraine who can test it on the front-lines.
Fame and fortune await anon, godspeed!

>>64180214
It is technologically possible, but the cost effectiveness of countering drones makes it irrelevant. Portable jamming devices range from 3k to 5k$, and high-end automated systems can cost well over a million dollars. All that to inevitably get saturated by 50$ quadcopters from Aliexpress.

Guys how does aircraft still exist if we have ANTI-AIRCRAFT missiles

The tech already exists, shoot them all down

>>64180205 (OP)
Hoping that the Second Variety universe will eventually merge into the Nier Automata universe, so that we at least get hot robot women with Katanas.

>>64180293
> spoofing and jamming tech.
Ah yes, as we know, none on the front uses spoofing or jamming. Thanks for you to first discover them, you should start your company making jamming tech and sell it since NONE ELSE makes them

>>64180214
>Asking the poors to do that

>>64180205 (OP)
>analogue of the lancet
They can't be, they actually work.

>>64180205 (OP)
what's next is you can forget about frontlines

>>64180302
Solutions were being created when no third world monkey had even held a Chinese quadcopter you fucking retard

>>64180214
>>64180302
>MADIS
>M-LIDS
>IM-SHORAD
>DE M-SHORAD
>Trophy
>Iron Fist
>CREW Duke
>CROWS
>Avenger
>Land Phalanx
>APKWS
>AUDS
>SMASH 2000L
>Like 10 non-classified directed-energy weapon programs
And those are just the ground-based systems I could think of.

>>64180405
If the vehicle is worth between 1 and 10 million, you'd think it's worth protecting from 50$ drones with a one time purchase of an anti-drone system

What's next is every nation that can afford it goes balls deep into point defense lasers.

>>64180499
I think the rule is the solution has to be something the third world is also capable of or else it 'won't work' or would be too expensive to use in a 'real war' or some other typical bit of cope. Expect 12-gauge shotguns or cope barns to come up as suggestions.
Or in the case of the terminally drone brained, the only possible counter to a Chinese quadcopter has to be a different sort of Chinese quadcopter. Warning signs of terminal drone brain include random use of the term "AI", or god help us, any mention of "raspberry pi" which would indicate a comorbidity of fridge-temperature IQ syndrome.

>>64180436
>swarming a jammer
bruh

>>64180405
>a saturating attack against a jammer
bruh

>>64180693
>most high end long range anti drone systems use missiles, directional jammers, or lasers so yes, they can be saturated.

Also many drones are not jammable like optical fiber drones or drones that use Starlink.

>>64180732
Starlink is jammable retard, it's just difficult and requires your own sats.

>>64180842
It doesn't even require that, you just need to overwhelm the sats using ground stations, the ground stations can still recieve, naturally, but the sats can't.
If you have your own sats you can jam both ends.

>>64180214
>It isn't that difficult.

>>64180205 (OP)

This is going to sound genuinely horrifically autistic. But Planetside 2 might be the basis of the future of warfare in a couple ways.

>All supply and behind line vehicles must be armed with at least some AA or countermeasures.
>No proper thunder runs, no proper air support, no proper support support on a mass scale. Only in very small very situational ways.
>Small, non-communicating units (because of electromagnetic tracking) of variable size operating with little oversite.
>Every random place that's important for warfare is protected by a range of defenses to the point of a random far away from the front line refinery having an AA tower.

Maybe not all true or I'm jumping the gun. But I can see the local defenses model becoming more popular at the least. Thanks drones.

>>64180214
muh air force and combined warfare
please understand

>>64180405
The whole point of jammers is preventing saturation attacks by cheap drones; by forcing attacks to use high quality drones with expensive professional radios or heavy fiber optic reels cutting into payload/maneuverability.

Either you give up ( as both Ukrainians and Russians do about 60% of the time on the front) or you use a smaller number of drones, which makes it easy for kinetic defenses to counter.

>>64180214
They have drone defenses and they're very effective. The problem is that they don't have enough and sometimes they get shelled or even droned while they're turned off to let their own drones through.

>>64180293
Yeah because neither Ukraine nor Russia uses them. You're the first guy to come up with this idea. Thanks Sherlock!

>>64180639
Go and deploy all of that onto every single vehicle in your military and each platoon of men.

>>64180214
Both sides have no money and limited industry, and their respective benefactors have been stingy with sharing their newest tech
>>64180405
>the cost effectiveness of countering drones makes it irrelevant
Now tell me how much a human being (mobiks need not apply), AFV/UGV, or aircraft cost.

>>64180286
Submarine drone sneaking up the sewers into the toilet of some Colonel taking a shit

>>64180205 (OP)
>First of all
Where's the "secondly?"

>>64181010
>The crown posting will be back.

Yes. My body is ready.

>>64181320
1-2 per company is enough

>>64180205 (OP)
>cheap destroying expensive
we returned to the musket age
the future is hundreds of thousands of dirt cheap automated drones blanketing everything

>>64180214
>It isn't that difficult.
Not difficult per se. But quite expensive and time consuming, not to mention resource intensive. Golems aren't worth such resources for an innovation that will eventually pass into the hands of enemies and even out the playing field. That or the system is so deprived of talent that they can't innovate on demand...

>>64180205 (OP)
>Whats next?
Drones hunting vehicles inside the factory

>>64180414
Oh hey, is this where the Shriekers movie came from?

>>64181713
>What the inside of a McDonald's is going to look like in 20 years
>But you'll still only receive 9 out of 10 chicken nuggies
We truly live in the end times

>>64181713
Those robots are all Korean, and the giant presses near the end are German

>>64180671
Unfortunately, they're a bit bulky at the moment. The Stryker-based lasers, for example, take up the entire space normally used for the troop compartment. Even if M1A3 goes to electric drive, that's too much volume to simply mount one on the turret roof; it really needs a dedicated vehicle with current tech, which makes it better-suited to SHORAD than point-defense. The best tank PD option right now is probably M230 with airburst rounds, assuming they can develop drone-detecting sensors capable of finding and tracking nearby drones... a mix of ShotSpotter and DAS technologies, maybe?

>>64181320
>nooooooo! every supply truck has to be able to shoot down a HALE or none of it counts!!!

>>64180205 (OP)
Drones hunt vehicles 2400km behind frontline, obv

>>64182192
you're not gonna believe this

>>64180262
>>64181171
has combined arms and air superiority ever worked against a peer nation not a third world shithole/country 10x poorer and shitter than you?

>>64182121
True but at the very least static positions and defenses arent drone fodder. Western forces spending 400 bucks on power to destroy a third world 150k drone chimpout will be brutal for hostile actors.

>>64182294
Azerbaijan did a pretty good job with Armenia.

>>64180214
>Honestly, you'd think that someone would get smart about creating a defense against drones by now. It isn't that difficult.

We cant make 40/57 mm barrels or 40/57 mm shells in bulk any more.

>>64182291
Well, shit. Guess it'll be "Drones hunt vehicles..."
>5
>20 (5x4)
>150 (20x~8 (yes I know it's 7.5, deal with it))
>2400 (150x16)
>2400x32=76800
76800 kilometers. "Drones hunt vehicles 76800km behind frontline".
Fuck me, what will those madlads in the MIC think of next?

>>64181910
>Oh hey, is this where the Shriekers movie came from?

A lot more movies than you think were screen adaptions of Philip K. Dick novels. Blade Runner is probably the best known.

>>64182362
Anti drone airship AA platforms perhaps.

>>64181199
Jammers are you taken out first then you get swarmed by cheapest FPV drones.

>>64180205 (OP)
This. Fuck you.

>>64182430
This doesn't work in Ukraine; where jammers cockblock drones for over 60% of the total battlefield timeline, typically in 2-3 week long blocks.

It's as simple as leaving jammers off and turning them on when you see an attack. Of course, you can't do wave attacks with cheap ones in the first place because one of the key drawbacks is how they jam each other, resulting in a cap of no more than 5-6 FPVs in a battlefield area.

>>64182362
>he doesn't know
You're now manually aware of Vintage Racer, the hypersonic-delivered kamikaze drone for attacking Russian TELs.

>>64180639
>AIDS
>M-AIDS
>IM-ASS-IN-ASS
>DE BOEPRIPASY
>Pelletsn't
>CREW's Carousel-is-a-fuck
>CROCS

>>64182496
>Deliver a gorillion dollar floating LEO platform to an active warzone
>It's exact location is visible through binoculars

GG, no RE

>>64180214
that's beyond the russian budget

>>64182605
Anon, you might be gay.

>>64182969
By then, it won't matter, they'll have a new government and McDonalds.