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Anonymous No.64181435 >>64181496 >>64181543 >>64181607 >>64181646 >>64182020 >>64182936 >>64183931 >>64184274 >>64184296 >>64185110 >>64186596 >>64186680 >>64188459 >>64191115 >>64198522 >>64209185 >>64209846
>Sako AR, new Finnish service rifle costs 2989€ ($3491) to purchase
Can a guntuber review this overpriced piece of shit already? We need to expose the grift and that Finland doesn't need new rifles
Anonymous No.64181441 >>64188360
how much is a r62/95?
Anonymous No.64181444
Not your personal army.
Anonymous No.64181447 >>64181450 >>64192014
Make handguards actually be handguards again
Anonymous No.64181450 >>64181459 >>64188405
>malding
>>64181447
That's what rail covers are for + this is Finland, they're likely wearing gloves anyway
Anonymous No.64181459 >>64181461 >>64181496 >>64181671 >>64181684 >>64192014 >>64197837 >>64201274
>>64181450
>wearing gloves
Yeah, I can't get past that modern shit. Why does everyone wear gloves to shoot nowadays? Even recreational shooters
Anonymous No.64181461 >>64181503 >>64181667
>>64181459
Abrasion resistance/hand protection
Heat resistant
Extra grip
Cheap PPE with a myriad of enhancements for minimal drawbacks
Anonymous No.64181496 >>64181503 >>64181646
>>64181435 (OP)
Expose what?
Not everyone is going to get one, at first anyway. We're not purchasing half a million of these.
It's a very functional high quality rifle without needless gimmicks. You don't need to think about it, it just works.
It's customizable for the more special troops, rest are going to get Aimpoint optics and that's it.
Yes, we need a new rifle for NATO. Yes we need something more modern than RK-62.

>>64181459
Finland, cold. Gloves.
Anonymous No.64181503 >>64181504 >>64181511 >>64181515 >>64181751 >>64181960 >>64186459
>>64181496
Finland isn't cold at all times
>>64181461
Why suddenly? Seems like cowadooty shit to me
Anonymous No.64181504 >>64181511 >>64192798
>>64181503
>Why suddenly
Why suddenly is everyone wearing hearing protection
Anonymous No.64181511 >>64181911 >>64182917
>>64181503
I've been wearing gloves for a few years.
Also this
>>64181504
Hearing loss is overblown and shouldn't be considered for disability benefits at all. You don't need to hear to live anyways; learn sign language LMAO
Anonymous No.64181515
>>64181503
>Finland isn't cold at all times
We had several weeks of 30 C (86 F) or worse this summer, but for at least half the year the weather's potentially cold enough that I don't mind wearing some kind of gloves.
Hell, when it gets to -30 C (-22 F) on the rare occasion, you're either wearing some heavy gloves, or you won't be moving your fingers after a few minutes.
MandiΔ‡.iz.čusta.jebe.NAFO-jews.u.usta No.64181543 >>64183551
>>64181435 (OP)
Anonymous No.64181607 >>64182022
>>64181435 (OP)
Ian already had a look at it and deemed it a perfectly functional platform.
Would be neat to get my hands on one but no such chance for a good while I imagine
Anonymous No.64181646 >>64185110
>>64181435 (OP)
they’re milking the taxpayer. American MIC should be proud
>>64181496
NATO compatibility is important but the weapon being β€œmodern” is not. The last meaningful innovation in assault rifles was when 5.56mm and similar calibers replaced x39.
Anonymous No.64181667 >>64181721 >>64186701
>>64181461
>Cheap PPE with a myriad of enhancements for minimal drawbacks
>t. never had to actually wear gloves.
Anonymous No.64181671 >>64182299 >>64185697 >>64186746 >>64191100
>>64181459
Have you never gone shooting before? Your hands get covered in vaporized lead and gunshot residue, have to scrub your hands for like 20 minutes before eating something or finger blasting your girl.
Anonymous No.64181684
>>64181459
Shit gets hot when you're shooting faster than 1 round per minute, friendo
Anonymous No.64181721 >>64190549
>>64181667
I weld frequently and always wear gloves when shooting, so I do wear gloves very often. Maybe try buying your own gloves that properly fit + tailoring them to exact size
Anonymous No.64181751 >>64182309
>>64181503
>seems like
kill yourself already faggot
Anonymous No.64181911 >>64181967 >>64193062
>>64181511
>Hearing loss is overblown
I have pretty severe hearing loss and it fucking sucks whole ass anon.
Partially genetic, partially gunfire, partially punk rock music.
I agree it shouldn't be a factor in disability benefits generally, but everyone should wear hearing protection whenever possible.
You have no idea how aggravated people get when you need to ask them to repeat themselves five times in places with only a little bit of background noise, like a bar or crowded restaurant. They eventually look at you like you're a fucking asshole.
It makes dating really fucking hard.
Tinnitus can also make sleeping difficult. I've considered going to the doctor and asking for sleeping pills because some nights it just isn't going to happen, and it leaves me exhausted and irritable for days.

Wear your earpro anons, when your hearing goes tits up it is rough.
Anonymous No.64181960 >>64183180
>>64181503
>Finland isn't cold at all times
Yeah, but when it is, the shit is so cold that your fingers fall off without gloves
Anonymous No.64181967 >>64182493
>>64181911
>Missing obvious sarcasm this hard
Your lack of hearing isn't the only thing you lack
Anonymous No.64182020
>>64181435 (OP)
It's not out yet. Deliveries starting 12/2025 and it's not even the service rifle but the MPK civilian defence model
Anonymous No.64182022 >>64182422
>>64181607
>Ian already had a look at it and deemed it a perfectly functional platform.
He didn't even disassemble the bcg on the DI one he shot, and I've looked online and can't find any info on it.

Sako also don't seem to want anyone to know anything about it, my guess is it'll just be a stock AR with zero real enhancements.
Anonymous No.64182299 >>64184219 >>64184725
>>64181671
Yes. I guess I'm older than I feel because that's just something we weren't worried about
Anonymous No.64182309
>>64181751
After you my man
Anonymous No.64182422 >>64186044
>>64182022
>Sako also don't seem to want anyone to know anything about it, my guess is it'll just be a stock AR with zero real enhancements.
Translation from news article in finnish "According to Sako, the rifle has two separate operating principles. The short-stroke gas piston system increases operational reliability in extreme conditions. The direct gas system, in turn, improves accuracy and control of recoil, i.e., the blowback after firing."
And apparently it is also supposed to be modular in some manner.
Anonymous No.64182493 >>64192523
>>64181967
>It's sarcasm
>Year of our Lord 2025
Impossible to determine whether sarcasm/bait/actually believes this in today's modern age.
There are Facebook groups of thousands of boomers who collect their own urine and distill it so they can eyedrop it into their eyes to cure glaucoma anon.
People in Texas are holding "measles parties" for their children like it's chicken pox.
Your "sarcasm" is unironically tangential to sentences I've heard at work in the past six months.
Anonymous No.64182917
>>64181511
retard alert
Anonymous No.64182936 >>64182959 >>64183317 >>64183367 >>64183384 >>64183944 >>64185744
>>64181435 (OP)
>$3491 for a generic AR
>Not getting a PSA AR for 7 times less
Why are europoops like this?
Anonymous No.64182959 >>64191072
>>64182936
>get a plastic toy for conscripts working in minus -30degree celcius conditions
You would need to buy a new ones after every winter, which becomes even more costly quickly
Anonymous No.64183180 >>64186429
>>64181960
no its not
Anonymous No.64183317
>>64182936
Tell PSA to start fucking shipping their shit here right now
I want a JAKL
Anonymous No.64183367 >>64183389 >>64183799
>>64182936
The SAKO is a high quality piston AR. A HK MR223 is barely less (makes sense, HK has better economics of scale). German AR15 start at 2k and are pretty damn good. Eastern European, Chinese or other european AR15 can be had at 1200 to 1500. American AR15 imports are usually similar and of higher quality. PSA doesn't export to europe for some reason.
Anonymous No.64183384 >>64183474
>>64182936
I know you're joking but psafags genuinely think like this
Anonymous No.64183389 >>64183433 >>64183805 >>64190317
>>64183367
>The SAKO is a high quality piston AR
Here's the thing, it remains to be seen. We don't know anything about the piston models because everything shown in real life use so far has been DI
Anonymous No.64183433 >>64183711 >>64183805
>>64183389
Sako knows how to produce and design quality. And piston ARs are not rocket science. I have little doubt that they will manage. (If it's not quality, noone will buy it, simple as.)
Anonymous No.64183474
>>64183384
A chrome lined PSA barrel will out last the shitty civ version of the 416. That means PSA is at least better than HK
Anonymous No.64183551
>>64181543
Seething vatnik
Anonymous No.64183711 >>64188061 >>64201735
>>64183433
The first guns delivered to the Swedish Army already had some issues... but they were DI and who knows what their problems even stemmed from
Anonymous No.64183799 >>64183836
>>64183367
They don't want you being armed or you'd do something about the muslims and gyppos
Anonymous No.64183805 >>64183897 >>64183962 >>64201294
>>64183389
>>64183433
/k/ still hates piston rifles even though the 416 (and to lesser degrees the Caracal and T91) have proven records
Anonymous No.64183825
I'm just interested in the gas piston they patented.
Anonymous No.64183836 >>64183849
>>64183799
If armed europeans did something against muslims, we wouldn't be in this situation. But yes, they don't want us to be armed. Though the 2000€ are the least hurdle in that matter.
Anonymous No.64183849 >>64183858
>>64183836
You did once
Anonymous No.64183858
>>64183849
Serbs are... special
Anonymous No.64183897
>>64183805
"My DI is just as good" is the slightly less retarded cousin of "My PSA is just as good".
Anonymous No.64183931 >>64185724 >>64186478 >>64188446
>>64181435 (OP)
>expose the grift
what?
>Finnland doesn't need new rifles
Their current rifles are all clapped out. No rifle lasts forever. If you actually shot guns you'd realize them replacing their current stock with ARs is a great idea and they at least are giving us something vaguely interesting in the AR realm as opposed to just buying surplus M4A1s from the US/FN

SOVLfagging should have stayed in the 2010s
Anonymous No.64183944
>>64182936
I know you are joking but the same people who say this shit are also the same people who say the AR is unreliable. Literally a 1 to 1 overlap
Anonymous No.64183962 >>64184097
>>64183805
>/k/ still hates piston rifles
Anonymous No.64184097 >>64190520
>>64183962
Literally just Rhodieboos keeping the FAL meme alive.
Anonymous No.64184100 >>64184104
Besides being make in Finland, what makes it special from literally any other AR?
Anonymous No.64184104 >>64184303
>>64184100
It has a piston
Keep up anon
Anonymous No.64184219
>>64182299
kind of like asbestos in your walls
Anonymous No.64184240
I want one so bad so I can have another piston with my LMT but it's military and police only for now

I hope Sako makes a civvie version
Anonymous No.64184274 >>64184290 >>64188473
>>64181435 (OP)
That's not even a lot.

Name a single AR-10 used by an actual military that costs less. That's right. Go ahead, look up what the M110 costs. M110a1 too if you want. LMT's British contract rifle too.
Anonymous No.64184290 >>64184319
>>64184274
That's because the m110 is h&k. Theyre really nice guns, our snipers had them and they were fun to shoot. But they're overpriced
Anonymous No.64184296 >>64184667
>>64181435 (OP)
>Three-thousand four-hundred ninety-one United States Dollars no cents
Hilarious.
Anonymous No.64184303
>>64184104
OK thats fair. Cheaper than a 416
Anonymous No.64184319 >>64184472
>>64184290
The M110 was KAC. The M110a1 was HK.

You can rationalize it however you want, there is not a cheaper AR-10 in active service with a military that's not a joke.
Anonymous No.64184472
>>64184319
Yeah the a1 had some shortfalls but it wasn't a bad gun
Anonymous No.64184667
>>64184296
is that the shelf price or the contract price
Anonymous No.64184725 >>64185470
>>64182299
yeah and thats why your retarded boomer dad beat you, he wasn't concerned about the lead he was sucking out of tailpipes.
Anonymous No.64185110
>>64181646
>>64181435 (OP)
Do you fags not understand why things cost money when brand new and get cheaper as they are continuously produced?
Anonymous No.64185470 >>64198539
>>64184725
Ok kiddo
Anonymous No.64185697
>>64181671
>have to scrub your hands for like 20 minutes
How dirty is your ammo? Sure, I've washed my hands after shooting, but I've never felt like I had to do more than that to fingerblast a girl
Anonymous No.64185724 >>64186485 >>64186500
>>64183931
>Their current rifles are all clapped out
Very true. They go through tens and tens and of thousands of rounds. What I'm wondering is if there's an adjustable gas system. I mean I'd think it's been intended to be able to be ran with a can, so maybe there's a 2 or 3 position gas switch?
Anonymous No.64185744
>>64182936
Oh jeez, maybe yuropoors are beginning to wise up that they should avoid getting shit from the usa where possible, because cheeto might at any point spoil any agreement, because that's how you make america great again.
Anonymous No.64186044
>>64182422
Right...like I said, Sako are providing fuck-all in the way of detail. "there's a DI and piston one, plus it's got rails" isn't detail.
Anonymous No.64186429
>>64183180
bro that's wet snow in direct sunlight, that's only a few negative degrees at most
Anonymous No.64186459 >>64192383
>>64181503
Are you retarded or do you just not spend time outdoors?
Anonymous No.64186478 >>64186524
>>64183931
The barrels are clapped out. Rebarreling them would be expensive, but the guns have plenty of life left in them, especially with upgrades. Still, with the rest of NATO* using 556, it's just more sensible supplywise to move to a caliber that's in wider use. 556 has its drawbacks in finnish terrain, but based on what's been learned from the war in ukraine, drones and remote detonated AP frag are going to be the main feature of the next war, not infantry gun battles.

*don't get started on . Most of them are, and that's what counts.
Anonymous No.64186485 >>64186500
>>64185724
The gas switch is only present on the RK95 and it's a gas cutoff switch, not for adjustment. It's intended for use with rifle grenades, except those never really took off.
Anonymous No.64186500 >>64186527
>>64186485
>>64185724
I meant the new gun
Anonymous No.64186524 >>64186530
>>64186478
The new rifle has to be conscriptproof, is it?
Anonymous No.64186527
>>64186500
IIRC there was a patent that sako filed for a self-adjusting gas system. Haven't seen anything more about it though...
Anonymous No.64186530 >>64186570 >>64190569
>>64186524
lets be honest man, NOTHING is conscript proof. It's all just a matter of how stupid said conscript actually is
Anonymous No.64186570 >>64188470 >>64189617 >>64197871
>>64186530
The AK in my cunt is conscriptproof. It's hard to fuck it up even if you tried. I suppose you could try to fuck up the spring but that has to be intentional. Violent unjamming shouldn't damage anything unless you pull it like you pull it with a kick of a boot. Dirt in the pipe, same as any other rifle. You'd have to use it as a baseball bat on a rock repeatedly to truly damage the internal mechanisms.
RK is AK as far as i know mut finnish quality so should be same but higher quality.
Anonymous No.64186596
>>64181435 (OP)
Based Russian fifth column, exposing the lies and corruption of the west
Anonymous No.64186680
>>64181435 (OP)
Only that much? I know personally at least three guys who could fund rifles to whole finnish army at that cost.
Anonymous No.64186701
>>64181667
Just snip off the glove's right index finger and you're fine.
Anonymous No.64186746
>>64181671
I can’t imagine the absolute garbage ammo and shitty indoor range you must dwell in. I have some lead removal wipes, soap and water handwash, then a shower after cleaning my guns. Maybe guns aren’t for you
Anonymous No.64188061 >>64189574
>>64183711
>but they were DI
No they weren't.
Anonymous No.64188360
>>64181441
Unit price used to be around 700€ per rifle for the FDF.

If these new rifles are produced in hundreds of thousands, unit price will not be 2989€ retail price for civilians.
Anonymous No.64188405
>>64181450
From my experience as a conscript, you really want to prevent touching your RK-62 steel parts during the winter, even with gloves on. It hits different when you are outdoors day in day out and that cold steel is sucking the heat away from your fingertips. Aluminum from that forestock will transfer heat even faster than steel.
Anonymous No.64188446
>>64183931
Inside just couple of years I have shot multiple competitions with FDF RK-62:s build between -91 and -97 in pristine condition.
Also worn guns are refurbished all the time and RK62 and 95 barrel is threaded, so it is not so much of a hurdle to change the barrel. Also I would believe that the initial purchase of the guns has included the spare parts.
Anonymous No.64188459
>>64181435 (OP)
>basic bitch AR with a piston
>cost 3k for the army
LMAO
Anonymous No.64188470
>>64186570
You can bend the barrel by driving over it with an APC or tank... Seen several pictures of that happening
Anonymous No.64188473 >>64188950 >>64189352
>>64184274
>M110
specialized rifles made in a lower number for only marksmans within the US army.
Oberlands AR-10s are made in europe and cost around 2300€ for civilians and the only military that got a contract with them recently is a SEA army for their marksmans, just face it the fins are getting jewed hard by their own company
Anonymous No.64188950
>>64188473
>Oberlands AR-10s are made in europe and cost around 2300€ for civilians
Oberland hasn't made AR10 in a while.
Anonymous No.64189352
>>64188473
>some seamonkey army bought an unproven literally-who rifle
no one cares.
Anonymous No.64189574 >>64189936
>>64188061
I stand corrected. So the piston version is shit and we know it already
Anonymous No.64189617 >>64189636
>>64186570
Ak is easy to fuck up, just don't clean it and it'll rust shut in no time. The only saving grace is that the countries that use corrosive ammo are also the countries that let their conscripts fire around 5 whole rounds during their entire service so the cleaning and timed disassemblyreassembly theatrics are vastly over represented compared to that.
Anonymous No.64189636 >>64189650
>>64189617
With corrosive ammo, sure
With anything modern and non-corrosive it can go for ages without cleaning
Anonymous No.64189650 >>64189677
>>64189636
Well if you could afford modern ammo then surely you can afford a modern rifle to go along with it, no?
Anonymous No.64189677 >>64193084
>>64189650
These days .223 and brass case 7.62x39 cost pretty much the same at least here in Yurop
But AKs are still a lot cheaper than ARs
Anonymous No.64189936
>>64189574
>So the piston version is shit and we know it already
Yeah we just bought a bunch of FN M4A1s as an interim solution. Feels kinda gay as we trialed the M16A2 in the Ak5 trials and found it insufficient for cold weather but now the M4 is perfectly fine with no testing at all.
Anonymous No.64190317
>>64183389
>it remains to be seen.

Not really. Sako is the pinnacle of quality in everything.
Anonymous No.64190520
>>64184097
>Rhodieboos
r/noncredible defense called, they want your faggot ass back.
Anonymous No.64190549 >>64200317 >>64216462
>>64181721
The problem is they make my hands sweat.
Anonymous No.64190569 >>64190627 >>64190958 >>64192244 >>64198527
>>64186530
This. According old Finnish military proverb only conscript-proof item is one meter long piece of railway track - make it any less durable and some conscript finds a way to break it, make it longer and he will get it bent and if made at all smaller he will accidentally loose it.

Finnish RKs are with milled receivers, so more durable than typical AK but over the years I have heard them getting damaged or destroyed in oh so many ways.
Anonymous No.64190627 >>64190958
>>64190569
The wackiest one I saw was somebody's rifle getting frozen in a solid block of ice. The squad's guns were left outside because "muh condensation". One got knocked over, meltwater running downhill formed a puddle and the temperature fell from just over zero to fifteen degrees below freezing overnight. They broke the handguard trying to break it out of the ice with an axe.
Anonymous No.64190880 >>64192475 >>64192775
What kind of laplandian fairy-tale tankie do you have to be to seethe about Finnish small arms procurement? I can't remember any Finland seethe before this, despite the winter war and all that.
Listen child, guns are cool and these things are guns so they're cool and there's nothing you can do about it. Someday i hope you get to handle and shoot a gun so you can learn how cool they are. Until then, please try to dilate away from any open Internet connections.
Thanks for your compliance (mandatory btw) and have a nice day.
Anonymous No.64190958 >>64192244
>>64190569
The milled receiver plus the massive AK bolt carrier-piston assembly does make for a fairly robust rifle.
Conscripts sometimes made "totem poles" by smashing the rifles into trees so that the charging handle would act as a nail and the rifle would stay stuck there.
I'm not sure if that would be a good idea with some of those riveted AKs where the receiver wobbles and bends all over the place when fired.

>>64190627
Keeping water away from your rifle is surprisingly important in conditions like that. If it gets a chance to freeze in there, getting it out in field conditions can be tricky.
I failed at that once. Our tent was pretty quickly raised on shitty bumpy ground, and puddles formed on one side after we got a fire going. It was very cold and snowing hard so if we'd left the rifles outside, nobody could have found them quickly when needed.
Someone must have knocked my rifle into the puddles before my night watch. I guess I just sleepily grabbed it from the water without thinking too much when my watch started. By then it was at least -20 C outside; could hear the trees banging and cracking from being deep-frozen. The water inside the rifle froze fast, too. Completely jammed.
Anonymous No.64190966
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uM7iM2jiz3o
Anonymous No.64191066
So I suspect the actual answer is that idiots look at a military procurement contract and divide the total value by the number of rifles and think "wow they're spending $3000 per rifle, lol government spending" like it's the same as their fat ass going to a Cabelas and buying a rifle off the shelf.

A military rifle procurement contract is for an entire system that includes the rifles, the optics, training equipment, cleaning kits and armorers tools, and spare parts.
Anonymous No.64191072 >>64191085
>>64182959
>being able to function in the cold somehow justifies the 3k$ price tag

Just buy an AK bro.
Anonymous No.64191085 >>64191097
>>64191072
>just buy a gun that does not function 6 months a year
Buy a brain
Anonymous No.64191097 >>64191125
>>64191085
Your mom told you you were special didn't she ?
Anonymous No.64191100
>>64181671
That's why I always book an escort after a pistol range session so I can finger blast someone I have no strong feelings about getting lead poisoning.
Anonymous No.64191115
>>64181435 (OP)
>2989€
That's the limited run civilian version. We don't know how much the actual military models will cost for the Finnish or the Swedish army.
Anonymous No.64191125 >>64191171
>>64191097
>I'm sure russians will be nice enough to wait until the plastic toys thaw in spring
Anonymous No.64191171
>>64191125
The gun doesn't get cold if you don't stop shooting.
Anonymous No.64192014
>>64181447
>>64181459
noguns
Anonymous No.64192244 >>64192557 >>64197910
>>64190958
>>64190569
Are all finnish conscripts this funny?
Anonymous No.64192383 >>64200473
>>64186459
You need gloves to fuck around in the woods?
Anonymous No.64192475
>>64190880
Anon we are like year 5 into war tourist yurotard invasion, of course this board is gonna be swarmed with retards who dont know shit about guns but have a full magazine's worth of shit opinions
Anonymous No.64192523
>>64182493
I don't know man, the LMAO kind of gave it away.
Anonymous No.64192557
>>64192244
>Are all finnish conscripts this funny?
Probably not, but for the country's size there sure are a lot of them since the country still conscripts nearly all fit males.
Wasn't even that long ago when failing to complete your service left you an outcast at most parties and workplaces. It could also make it hard to find a job in the first place, since they wanted to know your military rank and some places would just quietly ignore applications from cowardly commiehippies.
Anonymous No.64192775 >>64192779 >>64192803 >>64197345 >>64209127
>>64190880
>What kind of laplandian fairy-tale tankie do you have to be to seethe about Finnish small arms procurement?
I think it is literally as simple as the fact that Finland is switching from a Soviet caliber to a NATO caliber. That's the root of the seethe.
What's weird to me is that we don't see seethe from Russians about how nice Finland is like we do with Poland or the Baltics.
Anonymous No.64192779
>>64192775
Forgot picrel.
Anonymous No.64192798 >>64192821 >>64193056
>>64181504
This but actually.
I've trained a bunch of old timers on pistols and they only put in earplugs for short-barreled rifles or a carbines.
Ngl they're right about shotguns not needing plugs.

I'm kind of curious about the Boomer technology of crumpled paper earplugs but kind of scared to test it.
Anonymous No.64192803 >>64192870
>>64192775
>we don't see seethe from Russians about how nice Finland is like we do with Poland or the Baltics
Poles and balts were their subjects, that's why it hurts extra bad to see them succeed better than themselves.
Anonymous No.64192821
>>64192798
>I'm kind of curious about the Boomer technology of crumpled paper earplugs but kind of scared to test it.
Don't, it really was a last resort thing because earplugs were not issued.
Anonymous No.64192870 >>64192875 >>64206636
>>64192803
This, it flies in the face of everything the russian soul knows to see what's supposed to be periphery (former occupied colonies of the empire) be more prosperous than the center. That same mentality is the reason moscow is packed full of vanity projects and the city spends more on landscaping than most russian cities' entire budgets.

>check tg and twitter
>russian cope everywhere
Anonymous No.64192875
>>64192870
Anonymous No.64192996 >>64193036
>make an AR
>everyone complains
>make something else than an AR
>everyone complains
Anonymous No.64193015 >>64194993
The newest is that we are also looking into a new LMG and squad level grenade launcher
Those are going to be waaay more interesting than the AR
Anonymous No.64193036 >>64195665 >>64217708
>>64192996
>make an AR
>everyone complains
>make something else than an AR
>everyone loves it
these swiss man, they are hiding us something...
Anonymous No.64193056
>>64192798
>I'm kind of curious about the Boomer technology of crumpled paper earplugs but kind of scared to test it.
if you're going to be too lazy and cheap for actual earplugs, use cotton instead. Will it prevent hearing loss? probably not for louder guns. Is it better than nothing?
Anonymous No.64193062
>>64181911
>You have no idea how aggravated people get when you need to ask them to repeat themselves five times in places with only a little bit of background noise, like a bar or crowded restaurant. They eventually look at you like you're a fucking asshole.
Have you asked about hearing aids?
Anonymous No.64193084 >>64193192
>>64189677
>But AKs are still a lot cheaper than ARs
this used to be the case in the US too but we have to import AKs, and ARs can be made by any fucker with a milling machine and a block of aluminum, ARs have become both dirt cheap and also the superior platform.
Anonymous No.64193192
>>64193084
European makers price the fuck out of their ARs because they know they can get away with it
Anonymous No.64194993 >>64195016
>>64193015
Wait are we actually getting rid of kvkk's and pkm's?
Anonymous No.64195016 >>64195091
>>64194993
KVKKs have been on their way out for a while now, PKMs are here to stay. The latter even got souped up with a new optic a couple year back and it kicks ass now.
Anonymous No.64195091 >>64195104 >>64196637
>>64195016
I guess it makes sense, some of kvkk's that I had to maintain a decade ago couldn't shoot more than 10 rounds without shitting themselves. While it will most likely won't happen, I do hope they make something unique for us but I wouldn't be surprised if we just bought Minimi's to replace them.
>The latter even got souped up with a new optic a couple year back and it kicks ass now.
Huh I've missed that completely, do you have any source I couldn't find anything from a quick search?
Anonymous No.64195104 >>64195131 >>64196637
>>64195091
>some of kvkk's that I had to maintain a decade ago couldn't shoot more than 10 rounds without shitting themselves
Were those ever good? All we had for MGs were PKMs. A trainer told us we were lucky we didn't have to deal with the other piece of shit.
Anonymous No.64195131
>>64195104
Maybe 50 years ago when they hadn't yet gone through tens to a hundreds of thousands rounds of ammo but I have my doubts.
Let me put it this way, when you convert a magazine firing gun from 1930's that is a copy of another magazine firing gun from 1920's into a belt fed gun, the end result isn't nice.
Anonymous No.64195665
>>64193036
Idk man i love ARs. I'm not a gunsoomer so i just want long term support and cheap components
Anonymous No.64196637 >>64197943
>>64195091
>While it will most likely won't happen, I do hope they make something unique for us but I wouldn't be surprised if we just bought Minimi's to replace them.

I doubt we will see Finnish military to field anything unique. My personal best guess is that it will be some sort of already tested and proven GPMG design produced by NATO-country with SAKO possibly acquiring manufacturing license.

One interesting option could be PKM-based gun design in 7.62mm NATO - both Bulgaria and Poland have one. But some sort of FN MAG, Minimi or HK 121 derivative seems more likely.

>>64195104
>>some of kvkk's that I had to maintain a decade ago couldn't shoot more than 10 rounds without shitting themselves
>Were those ever good?

The chosen design of KvKk had its problem points from the start - cyclic rate of 1,000 rpm without quick-swap barrel, the ergonomics are bit weird, extraction under the gun can bump empty case between bolt if fired on hard surface, belt pouch system is less than optimal and I am not a big fan of front sight design due to how it works in the sight picture (in a hurry protective "ears" in both sides of front sight post are looking too similar to front sight post).
Anonymous No.64197345
>>64192775
Now, while switching from 7.62x39mm to NATO 5.56x45mm IS a cause for some people to seethe, it really isn't that bad. Everything we have learned over the years (and being re-confirmed in Ukrainian war) is that for all intends and purposes, the both rounds are somewhat equivalent. They both get the job done. And the deciding factor of "hich one you should use" seems to be whichever is more available in cheap, large quantities.

Finns changing from 7.62mm to 5.56mm makes logical sense, if you remember that they are now part of NATO. So the whole nato standard being a thing... Yeah, it's a costly transition for Finns who, until now, have been on the outlook of "If the Russians attack, we can use their own ammo against them". But inside NATO, that SHOULDN'T become an issue, unless USA shits it's pants and abandonds it's NATO allies.
Anonymous No.64197837 >>64198478
>>64181459
Modern?
Anonymous No.64197871 >>64198503
>>64186570
>AK conscript proof
It's not.
Anonymous No.64197910 >>64205849
>>64192244
Only in the artillery.
Anonymous No.64197943
>>64196637
We already have FN MAG's and MG3's for the Leo's, so the infrastucture exists in the supply system. I remember that the Germany is moving away from MG3, so maybe cheap bulk purchase of those or do like many others and get more FN's. FN is always lovely.
Alexby No.64197979
I have a soringfield xd .45 & 1 9mm glock 21, is it good to defense myself?
Anonymous No.64198478 >>64199412 >>64200171
>>64197837
We can still get an insane fudd calibre choice like 7.62x39 if the right people get to decide
Unlikely though
Anonymous No.64198503 >>64199412
>>64197871
this happened in africa didn't it?
Anonymous No.64198522 >>64201778
>>64181435 (OP)
$3000 for a paperweight to throw at a $100 drone.....mmmmkay.
Anonymous No.64198527
>>64190569
If they can't break it they will loose it
Anonymous No.64198539
>>64185470
being an old retard isn't a good thing. next time kill yourself instead of wasting everyones life with useless advice
Anonymous No.64199412
>>64198478
I meant the gloves.
>>64198503
Finland. Someone left it leaning against a Pasi and Pasi drove forvard.
Anonymous No.64200171 >>64200174 >>64209212 >>64209222
>>64198478
The new SAKO AR's are most likely going to be 7.62x39 T: The Finnish chief of war economy

Sauce: https://youtu.be/tLtviq3b0JI?t=2463
>how about the new rifle?
>a lot of details are still undecided, the caliber and barrel length for example. Those will be decided in the next two years, although i can fairly confidently say that we will keep the 7.62. You have to understand, if we mobilize the military and 300 000 people check the zero in their sights, that's already a million rounds fired. But we are also pretty much the only western country that still uses that caliber, so we have to take that into account as well. There are specialist troops that will be equipped with 5.56 guns, urban jaegers for example, but most will be equipped with the old guns in the old caliber.
TL;DR: "We have so much fucking 7.62 in storage we couldn't shoot it all if we wanted to, and we will gradually & slowly transition to 5.56 over a decade."
Anonymous No.64200174 >>64200190 >>64201625
>>64200171
>new SAKO AR's are most likely going to be 7.62x39
>most will be equipped with the old guns in the old caliber
No, they are not retarded enough to buy 7.62x39 AR's.
Anonymous No.64200190 >>64200204 >>64212698
>>64200174
I don't think you understand the sheer fucking volume of 7.62 in storage. Specialist troops like Urban jaegers, border jaegers & special forces already use 5.56 AR's, but the standard infantry rifle is still the RK. As the old guns get clapped out, they will be slowly replaced with the new SAKO AR's, either in 5.56 or 7.62, depending on how much 7.62 still remains in storage.
Anonymous No.64200204 >>64200247
>>64200190
The old guns will continue serving and will continue getting new barrels etc. and being moved to wartime use storage.
The new guns will be chambered in 5.56 for the assault rifle and .308 for the DMR.
Anonymous No.64200247 >>64200285 >>64201235
>>64200204
>The old guns will continue serving and will continue getting new barrels etc
The entire reason we are looking into a new rifle is because we're running out of spare parts like barrels for the RK's - They haven't been manufactured since the 90's. Once again, you don't seem to understand that we've been cranking out 7.62x39 since the 60's, we have an absolutely incomprehensible amount of 7.62 in storage, probably in the hundreds of billions. When i served in 2015, the packaging on the ammo said it was from the 70's.
Anonymous No.64200285 >>64200304
>>64200247
well you'd make a retarded amount of money selling all that surplus 7.62 on the us civilian market
Anonymous No.64200304
>>64200285
We wouldn't, because we'd have to ship & import all that shit & replace all those rounds with the same amount of 5.56, at a time where every Euro country is shitting their pants and scrambling to re-arm themselves. It just doesn't make sense to fully switch to 5.56 RIGHT NOW, it will happen slowly during the next decade(s)
Anonymous No.64200317
>>64190549
Have you considered losing weight?
Anonymous No.64200464
There is also a another metric fuckton of DDR ammo in storage that's getting old. That is expensive to replace with Lapua/Sako ammo. Then there is the fact, that switching the infra from 7,62x39/AK mags if so big switch, that we'd need to swap
>manuals and everyone's training
>manufacturing lines for ammo, both ball and blanks
>have the reserve of stuff in case war starts now
>all mag pouches
>all gunsmith tools
>all gun racks in barracks
>have the space to store all RK's, ammo and gear and decide what to do with it
(goverment really shot itself in the head when all goverment buildings etc. were moved to Senaatti-kiinteistΓΆt. FDF didn'tpay rent for their buildings before and now they do.)
>etc.

It's more simple and cheaper to get new barrels for RK's and keep cranking out 7,62x39, as everything is designed for it and for supporting it.
Anonymous No.64200473
>>64192383
Below freezing and outdoors for several hours? Yes
Anonymous No.64201235
>>64200247
>making more ammo than guns to shoot that ammo
Think about the stupidity of that statement for a little bit. There's plenty enough guns to go around.
Anonymous No.64201274
>>64181459
Modern?
Anonymous No.64201294
>>64183805
I don’t think anyone really hates pistol rifles, but they don’t really seem to be any better than normal DI ones and tend to cost more and be front heavy
Anonymous No.64201625
>>64200174
It's a possibility, BUT... I haven't seen a single 7.62x39 concept lower and they wouldn't go with one that takes 7.62 AR mags. That alone makes me think it's not happening. Then again we are a nation consisting of suckers for perceived savings so we might see one yet
Anonymous No.64201735 >>64204102
>>64183711
They were experiencing hang fires, more likely to do with the ammo than anything
Anonymous No.64201778
>>64198522
Kill yourself dronetard
Anonymous No.64204102
>>64201735
Or just a weak primer strike from a weak hammer spring or light weight hammer
Anonymous No.64205849 >>64206751
>>64197910
hajoo?
Anonymous No.64206636 >>64206691
>>64192870
lol
Anonymous No.64206691 >>64206703 >>64214173
>>64206636
>We attacked a tiny neighbour at the order of our georgian slavemaster (that killed more russians than hitler) and he took just enough land to bury our dead
Russians are literally proud of getting killed
Which is ironically quite justified, since dying is the most noble thing a russian can do.
Anonymous No.64206703 >>64206759
>>64206691
Same problem as Ukros. You're dying at much slower rate than russians yet still lose.
This only shows you don't really have it in you.
Anonymous No.64206751
>>64205849
Literally "Breaks", though it has military slang meaning something between "getting fucking pissed", "running out of humor in the situation", and "next morning I'm going to get sick vacation even if I'm psychically fine because otherwise there may be bodies"
Anonymous No.64206759 >>64206780
>>64206703
Well, we have time, and russian collapse is an eventuality by now.
Anonymous No.64206780 >>64206794 >>64206805 >>64213849
>>64206759
>russian collapse
4k nukes say otherwise
Anonymous No.64206794
>>64206780
Why would it. They will use those at themselves at most.
Anonymous No.64206805
>>64206780
Only as long as they stay under Moscow's control. If there ever ends up being a situation where those silo commanders start thinking that perhaps they, their direct superiors, or some random guy who just gave them a ton of money should be the caliph instead, well, then Russia will be heading for fun times.
Anonymous No.64209127 >>64209167 >>64209240
>>64192775
>we don't see seethe from Russians about how nice Finland is like we do with Poland
Winland has always been TOO EXPENSIVE for the average Soviet-Ruskek.

When the first "tourist trips" from Moscow to Finland started happening in the late 1970s, which BTW was still being reserved for the elite, the Russians couldn't even purchase anything fancier than a box of matches from the local gift shops.

In the 1980s, some Soviet politician visiting Helsinki for the first time literally asked the local hosts that "why are all these cars following us everywhere??", refusing to believe that practically every single civilian owned their own motor vehicle in the country.

THAT is how backwaters Russia has always been. That's also why sans the rich-fags, they still didn't visit Finland during the "time of peace" (which is also why local hotels and skicenters cranked up their prices during the holiday seasons).
Politically, Finland is a sore spot for Stalinists, as culturally Finns aren't slavs, don't use Cyrillic alphabet, and never succumbed to communism. They also need to double down on their mental gymnastics trying to demonize the Finns, as it was the Russian Czar that first gave them the Autonomy in 1800s, then Lenin personally signed their request for independence in 1917.

Shit gets extra whacky when it comes to WW2, as Stalin literally allied himself with Hitler in 1939, meaning any sort of "OMG Nazis!!" excuses they could cook up for starting the Winter War would instantly crumble.
And just like the Ukraine-boogaloo now, Finns stopped and survived the very first "special operation", embarrassing Stalin and his boyscouts for all eternity.
Anonymous No.64209167
>>64209127
not to mention how much the baltics pisses off the russians. they survive to this day despite russian colonization, and are more rich and successful than russia at the same time. russia has killed all other ugric languages in their vicinity but estonia and finland stands defiant.
Anonymous No.64209185
>>64181435 (OP)
dude that is a render of a normal ass overpriced AR
literally gun NFT
Anonymous No.64209212
>>64200171
>7.62x39 AR from Sako
I want it
Anonymous No.64209222 >>64209584 >>64209822
>>64200171
The smartest move would be to first launch it in 7.62*39 to shoot the old stock. Then over time start equipping them with 5.56 barrels, bolts and mag wells once the stock of 7.62 starts to whittle down. That way everyone learns the AR operation and manual of arms even if shooting "the wrong caliber"
Anonymous No.64209240 >>64209492
>>64209127
I used to see quite a few cars with St. Petersburg plates on the roads in Eastern Finland. Big SUVs and wagons, sometimes older models but in decent condition.
Suppose if they wanted to get away from Russia for a bit, Finland was just a couple hours of driving away.

They actually drove better than the recent German tourists, who have fancier cars and enormous RVs but are always speeding and can't seem to stay on their side of the road if there's no line in the center or it's worn out.
Had to dodge one particularly bad case this summer; half my car was in the ditch for a second or two. At least the Russians know how to drive on shitty roads.
Anonymous No.64209492
>>64209240
>but are always speeding and can't seem to stay on their side of the road
I blame it on the autobahn training bad habits.
Anonymous No.64209584
>>64209222
>The smartest move would be to first launch it in 7.62*39 to shoot the old stock
No it wouldn't, because you would need a lower that also uses the old mags, and that would require a slightly different manual of arms. Otherwise you'd be procuring mags that would eventually become useless while only benefiting from the completely AR-like controls. That said, retarded decisions like this have a long history in Finland so I'm half convinced it might take place
Anonymous No.64209822 >>64212698 >>64214205
>>64209222
The swap will take at least a decade and RKs might stay in inventory until 2060s so the ammo stocks will be slowly used anyway.
Anonymous No.64209846 >>64209937
>>64181435 (OP)
YES! YES! ANOTHER AR-15 DERIVATIVE! JUST WHAT I NEEDED!! TIME TO MAX OUT MY CREDIT CARD AGAIN TO IMPRESS INSTAGRAM!
M4s on Mars doesn't seem so far fetched anymore.
Anonymous No.64209937
>>64209846
malding at american design superiority lmao
Anonymous No.64212698 >>64213832 >>64213880
>>64200190
>>64209822
There's got to be fucktons of 7.62x39 ammo stashed somewhere.
Wonder if any single person even knows about it all---this isn't the sort of information they release to the public, at least. Digging into stuff like this is one of the known ways to speedrun treason charges.
Anonymous No.64213832
>>64212698
We know big portion of ammo stocks was bought from east Germany and they are about to expire and have corrosive primers whose residue the poor bare steel RKs cant handle(without cleaning them thoroughly after shooting).

Only thing I dont like about this new 5.56 rifle is that I think we should buy at least some 18 or 20" ones and not go full practical shooting mode.
Anonymous No.64213849
>>64206780
Did they say otherwise when the Soviet Union collapsed?
Anonymous No.64213860
Wait is $3500 expensive?
Anonymous No.64213880
>>64212698
I am genuinely glad Finland takes so much care of military preparedness and secrecy unlike us. I hope we get to the same level one day to keep Russia away together.
t. swede
Anonymous No.64214173
>>64206691
But but map turn red syka!!!
Anonymous No.64214205 >>64214251
>>64209822
Imagine shooting a 100 year old RK.

The oldest I've shot was 62 or 64.
Anonymous No.64214215 >>64214382
lol y’all are getting SCAMMED
Anonymous No.64214251 >>64216674
>>64214205
>Imagine shooting a 100 year old RK.
Didn't they rebuild some of their old Mosins into sniper rifles in the 1980s?
Some of the parts in them might have been 100 years old even then.
Anonymous No.64214382 >>64214451
>>64214215
Those would easily cost 3k€ shipped to Europe
You have no idea how Jewish the gun market is here
Anonymous No.64214451 >>64214979
>>64214382
Where are they buying the steel and aluminum from? The fucking moon? Is it hand collected from meteorites? Do they slaughter virgins by bleeding them then use the iron to make the steel? Are they hand fitting each upper and lower? Are they using custom tooling made from dogshit quality high speed steel that constantly needs replaced multiple times a day, do they get less than 10 guns per drill bit to cut gas ports into the barrels? Are they treating the bores with TiCN or another ceramic instead of chrome? This is honestly as big a fuckup as the sig spear.
Anonymous No.64214979
>>64214451
The actual mil rifles will not have a €3k unit price. The civilian models do because it's basically Kickstarter
Anonymous No.64216462
>>64190549
anxious faggot hands typed this post
Anonymous No.64216674
>>64214251
Yeah, TKIV 85
Anonymous No.64217708 >>64217745 >>64218037
>>64193036
Why do almost none of these rifles have a forward assist? Wouldn't get a BRN-180 for this reason.
Anonymous No.64217745
>>64217708
Because it's a useful feature noone needs.
Anonymous No.64218037 >>64218101
>>64217708
on the BRN-180 you just tap on the reciprocating charging handle. No need for a forward assist when you have a protrusion that you can just push on to do the same thing
Anonymous No.64218101
>>64218037
The Gen 1 and 2 have an AR-18 style charging handle, the Gen 3 has a NRCH.
Anonymous No.64221362 >>64221386
TRG-42 bump
Anonymous No.64221386 >>64221411
>>64221362
What's there to bump
the calibre will be confirmed later this autumn and the field tests will start next year
Anonymous No.64221411
>>64221386
Drunk Finnish bump?