Thread 64184182

Would we have to bring back a modern version of the Templar Order?

>>64184182 (OP)
>100% of faggots are slow on the draw
>99% of faggots don't even try
Guns aren't for defense, this is how your average American (you) will react

>>64184198
>Guns aren't for defense

>>64184198
>Guns aren't for defense
Retard post of the day.
Congrats.

FPLP (First Post Lame Post)

>>64184215
>>64184182 (OP)
>>64184198
>>64184265
The shooter was a Palestinian shill

The solution is to imprison or kill all Palestinian shills

>>64184215
>>64184265
Hey, if you're too busy hiding behind a plank and crying into your hands when shit hits the fan then your gun isn't defending you

>>64184182 (OP)
yeah. and they do, at least every church I've been to.

>>64184285
I get it now. your a faggot.

>>64184182 (OP)
I know several people who are a part of their church's armed volunteer group.

>>64184284
So when are we gonna shoot Bibi?

>>64184182 (OP)
My church has cops and security guards but no armed regular citizens. Would be kino if it did and I would certainly join

>tomorrow's headline:
>Local church used as base for crazed right wing hate militia

>>64184182 (OP)
Shotgun victim should've had his pistol up front not the back, fumbling killed him

>>64184182 (OP)
has /k/ died even more recently?

weapons dont belong in the house of god
if i die there i die there, but i will never shed another man's blood in a church

>>64184415
no just more shilling and slide threads than usual recently

>>64184182 (OP)
>Would we have to bring back a modern version of the Templar Order?
No, because most churches that have armed security just organize a team locally. Any church with such a team would be wise to mandate training.

>>64184422
>i'll allow everyone else to die
ok retard

What kind of training would you need for crowded places?

>>64184182 (OP)
>Should churches have armed volunteers?
Regular churches, sure, why not. Megachurches, hell no. The last thing I need is a power-hungry megachurch pastor sending squads after anyone who didn't tithe.
>Would we have to bring back a modern version of the Templar Order?
Not as easy as it sounds, we have too many different sects (Baptist, Anglican, Calvinist, Pentecostal, Presbyterian, Lutheran, Methodist, etc.); a Templar order would only make sense under 1 unified church like the Catholics had before they let all the corruption in. I can imagine the pro-LGBT Lutherans sending their forces out against the anti-LGBT sects (pretty much most of them). If Martin Luther could see what has become of the church he founded, he'd be on his knees begging the Catholics for forgiveness.

>>64184422
You’re not obligated to let someone kill you. Thou shall not murder doesn’t mean you can’t defend yourself

>>64184462
The air marshal qual is a very good test for competency where misses are intolerable but speed is still important.

>>64184182 (OP)
Bro, you're in the US. You're protestant mutts.
You got no monks, no religious orders, no history pre-16th century.
Why the fuck do UStards LARP as Catholics and coom over aesthetics that ain't even yours?

>>64184558
Why do you care?
>no monks or religious orders
Nobody tell the amish or quakers, but whatever keeps America at the forefront of your every waking moment.

>>64184182 (OP)
Surely no one has ever considered such a thing

>>64184576
>Nobody tell the amish or quakers
Amish and Quakers aren’t monastic orders, retard. No vows, no rule, no abbots. They’re just proto-hippies with buggies.
Stay seething that Catholic aesthetics will never be yours

>>64184558
>no monks
if only they could wololo the shooter.

>>64184182 (OP)
Pretty sure the Templar's, Teutonic Order, Knights of Malta, etc. all still exist except they are pretty much similar to how charities act. (Just helping the poor and none of the military order stuff.)

>>64184585
>Catholic aesthetics will never be yours
good. Catholics are gay.

>>64184198
>Guns aren't for defense
Back to the pit from whence thou camest

>>64184490
>If Martin Luther could see what has become of the church he founded, he'd be on his knees begging the Catholics for forgiveness.
We already know how Luther responded to radical Protestants taking his teachings further than he approved, and it wasn't by returning to Catholicism.
>Therefore let everyone who can, smite, slay and stab, secretly or openly, remembering that nothing can be more poisonous, hurtful or devilish than a rebel. It is just as when one must kill a mad dog; if you do not strike him, he will strike you, and a whole land with you ... Let there be no half measures! Crush them! Cut their throats! Transfix them. Leave no stone unturned! To kill a peasant is to destroy a mad dog! If they say that I am very hard and merciless, mercy be damned. Let whoever can stab, strangle, and kill them like mad dogs.

>>64184585
>seething at a cult of money worshipping pedos
yeah

>>64184594
>Templar
Nope. Not since 1312 and the burning of his Grand Master Jacques de Molay by the king of France.
>REEE catholics gay
Bro you’re the one who brought up templars in the first place
Don’t cry when your own LARP gets laughed at

>>64184610
Cool story protestant, enjoy tithing to your megachurch pastor’s new jet

>>64184558
ok muhammed

>>64184615
>muh megachurch
are catholics really this stupid? I've never hear a protestant support one of the megachurches. it's not like the Catholic church is much better, but I guess when they ask for money it's alright.

>>64184594
The Hospitallers, who were in Martha, moved to Slavic countries; I believe they are now Orthodox rather than Catholic.

>>64184609
His expressing that his teachings should not be corrupted is very different from a hypothetical where he witnesses the ones corrupting win. Wherever he is in the afterlife, he was probably very upset by the lesbian bishops in his church in Sweden and very upset by that "sparkle creed" you can see on YouTube.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SpIvek8ZU58

>>64184663
>he was probably very upset by the lesbian bishops in his church
he definitely is, as am I. it's a shame this ever came to pass.

>>64184558
>LARP as Catholics
Been here since 1634. I'm from those families who sailed over. Now the Pope is from Chicago and we do have monks. You should be happy there has been a stand against the retards.

>>64184558
Where is the pope from again?

>>64184422
I've met people with that mindset; it's dangerous. They also tend to be generally inconsistent and unreliable in my experience. I kinda just distance myself from people if they spew that sort of shit.

>>64184182 (OP)
Every church should have a boomer armed with a .357 sig posted up

>>64184198
Facts. Guns are for ASSAULT, thats why theyre called ASSAULT RIFLES and not DEFENSE rifles. Idiots

>>64184182 (OP)
Setting aside my support for bulldozing Abrahamic places of worship especially the ones that worship a Jew, I believe in letting people hire private security guards.
I hope the European folk religious places of worship such as the ones under the Asatru Folk Assembly hire guards or have members with weapons in case some leftoid lunatic or Christboi wannabe-templar attacks.

>>64184693
>worship a Jew
the Bible is a collection of stories about why the jews suck, and about how they ultimately killed there own savior and turned there backs on there God. you would know that if (you) weren't a re**it tier cringe lord faggot basement dwelling retard.

>>64184558
>gatekeeping a church that literally translates to "universal" strictly because where people are from even though the leader of said Church is from Chicago and there are almost 200 dioceses in the US

We got a retard boys! I mean I guess growlingly Catholics in the south have Evangellical brainrot now but you're still a retard.

>>64184693
Euroid folk religions are dead most of what they do is just pull books out of stores in small towns that sell healing crystals and treat those as doctrine. Just give up and LARP as Hindus.

>>64184715
>There God
Not the guy you were replying to, but it's "Their"
C'mon man

>>64184739
damn it. now my point is completely useless. I wish the auto correct would flag that.

>>64184748
Nah it's not useless at all, I just try to point it out for people...I dunno

>>64184580
Why are they all trying to dress like the prettiest princess?

>>64184422
>weapons dont belong in the house of god
Luke 22.36. Unironic that guy telling you this shit doesn't capitalize God.

>>64184663
>The Hospitallers, who were in Martha, moved to Slavic countries; I believe they are now Orthodox rather than Catholic.
Not quite. It dispersed after napoleon took malta, and now there's a load of successor splinters instead, including the sovereign military order of malta. They're all catholic or protestant as far as i know though, no orthodox.

>>64184182 (OP)
plenty of off duty cops go to Mass. my local parish priest has I think a month meeting with men who are interested in security, cant remember what its called but its probably going over drills if theres an active shooter, been a thing since liberals starting burning down churches a few years ago in Canda and probably longer, plus I remember having increased "security" after Roe V Wade and all the anti-catholic anti-Christ hate. and Im not even in a big city. plenty of guys conceal carry at Mass, pretty easy to do when the men wear tailored jackets no matter how hot it gets. ask me how I know.

>>64184422
bruh my kids are there. Fuck around and I'll be wearing your intestines as a hat, house of God or not.

>>64184182 (OP)
The real solution is Jesus, but people don't want to hear that.

>>64184422
>weapons dont belong in the house of god
Very well then, we can go forward with this as long as the mass shooters agree 100%, but if not...

>>64184182 (OP)
Yes.
But not to defend.

>>64184558
pomp and circumstance, just like Jesus

>>64184182 (OP)
Synagogues already do. That's why troons and polniggers only shoot up churches even though they're always bitching about da joos
>>64184422
You're a faggot bitch

>>64184198
Da cumrad guns is to masturbate your anus with not for shooting or defense

This is not the place where the views of people who believe in God will be respected or even allowed.

>>64184415
Gun culture has been in decline. The youtubers that taught the lifestyle and responsibility have moved on. People make less money nowadays and can't afford the hobby as much. The Republican party has been hijacked as a cult for Trump instead of being a vehicle to protect gun rights and promote small business. The pandemic killed the ability for a whole generation to go outside and socialize with others. Community in general is a dying concept. Everything is a trend designed to appeal to the broad masses

>>64184615
The Roman Catholic church is darn near bankrupt, it's got nothing to say regarding financial management worth spitting on

>>64184182 (OP)
Yes
But don't let it become a cult and don't let "security" throw their weight around and act like arrogant larperators
Do it in humility and lovingkindness, as the good book says

>>64185208
Lol no muhamed

Forbid assault rifles for civilians to hold? Such a nocense! Armed pope IS a generic american solution.

>>64184787
>He doesn't want to be the prettiest princess

>>64184490
>Megachurches, hell no.
But that megachurch armed response team swag would be kino . . .
>>64184558
>Why the fuck do UStards LARP as Catholics and coom over aesthetics that ain't even yours?
Our Catholic dioceses were assembly-line sodomizing altar boys before European priests even knew what a reach-around was. Suck it, eurotrash! USA! USA!

>>64184814
>They're all catholic or protestant as far as i know though, no orthodox.
Look up the Russian tradition of the Knights Hospitaller. The ones who took refuge in St. Petersburg after Malta left quite the influence. To my understanding, they are Orthodox, but you're right on some being Protestant. I couldn't name them but I remember some were in Germany.

>>64185668
>But that megachurch armed response team swag would be kino . . .
Reverend Creflo Dollar would genocide anyone who entered his building without an offering.

>>64184558
>from the faggot who's very own leader is from the US
Man Europeans are on another level of fucking dumb, even California valley girls and liberals have more fucking common sense than a European.

>>64185208
>Catholic Church was antisemetic
Story checks out

I just realized, you guys think tacticoolgf will ever lose his top?

>>64185694
I think the only reason we don't use flags like some other boards is there'd be proof of origin for all of the most idiotic statements here on /k/. Wish we did though

>>64185311
Oh, come on, stop such a doomer, what about the new tax stamp act to make NFA items more accessible to a wider audience? With more social media starting to ask for ID, maybe people will decide to say fuck it and socialized in the real world? Maybe just maybe PSA will come out a with a proper stg44 clone?

>>64184432
>mandate training
You think these churches would pay for training? They're just going to get the gwot desk veteran to do it for free

>>64185759
I've got a sense for these things, also lived in Germany for 6 months (Marines dont ask) and the average German is a near meat drone who while pleasant, is so brainwashed and demoralized by state controlled media that they actively agree with everything going on in Europe now.
>talking to German woman
>talk about migrants
>she says it's too dangerous to walk at night where she's living at
>this was after she said she could never visit America because all the guns
>she goes on to say it isn't the migrants fault but that the government isn't doing enough to integrate them
Yeah, I had to shut my brain off because I was about to bitch slap her.

>>64185780
>free
For fucks sake in America firearms in churches was common all the way up until the 1910's, just allow the congregation to fucking carry, 99.9% of wackos places they know have guns.

>>64184632
>I've never hear a protestant support one of the megachurches
Yeah bro, they just sprout up out of nowhere and fill stadiums by magic.
Every Protestant: "not my denomination tho" while Joel Osteen laughs his way into another mansion.
At least when Catholics pass the basket, we’re not buying the priest a fog machine and a rock band for Sunday service.

>>64184669
>Been here since 1634
Congrats, your family’s been LARPing for 400 years straight.
“Monks” in America = dudes brewing beer in Wisconsin barns. Cute hobby, not a tradition.
Enjoy your Costco-Catholicism, discount aisle spirituality.

>>64184673
>Where is the pope from again?
From Chicago, exactly where every saint in history dreamed of coming from.
Nothing screams Apostolic Tradition like deep-dish pizza and Cubs merch.

>>64184716
>universal = anyone can LARP
Yeah bro, “universal” doesn’t mean “zero standards.”
McDonald’s is worldwide too, doesn’t make a Big Mac haute cuisine.
Keep coping with your Walmart-Catholicism.

>>64185694
>even California valley girls and liberals have more fucking common sense than a European
Lmao bro, your country can’t even drink milk without half the population shitting themselves.
Keep lecturing Europe while overdosing on corn syrup and fentanyl.

>>64185809
>all this euroseethe and projection
Struck a fucking nerve did we?
>bitching about megachurchs
>meanwhile the Catholics

>>64185809
>half the country can't drink milk
Fucking what.
>overdosing on corn syrup
FUCKING WHAT.

>>64185815
LMAO yeah I'm the one seething

>>64185829
>noooo you're seething
>writes an entire fucking essay
LOL, LAMO.
>defending Catholics
>the most antivwhite Christian denomination out there
Shut up papist.

>>64185837
>writes an entire fucking essay
Sorry I made you read 100+ words. I know you're not used to it in the US. Must be hard for you. My bad.

>>64185841
>noooooooo
I'm sorry, but brevity is a hallmark of intelligence.

>>64184389
god i hate the fucking news/media. there's no way to fix this problem, is there? other than everyone becoming aware all at once which is impossible

>>64185809
>>64185841
post country

>>64185845
>looks at Charlie Hebdo
The Muslims did a good job in shutting them up, maybe Americans need to learn a thing or two.

>>64185855
did they really?

>>64184389
And?
>>64185845
TJD

>>64184580
Not sure if Sean Moon is based or full retard but he's definitely /ourguy/

>>64184415
No, it's just got too many tourists like (You).

>>64185028
>IWI Jericho
>Jesus grips
wdhmbt

Mosques in the USA are regularly shot up and burned, people also break into the homes of Muslims and murder them. This happens a lot in the USA. Security is a concern and is often allocated for in the budget. Cameras, locks, sometimes even an armed guard, private security.

Here is a private security guard that took the Shahada and accepted Islam after 7 years on the job protecting the Masjid. That is a long time to think about becoming a Muslim. He broke down crying and was embraced with love.

I am an American Muslim and am building a Masjid, have to consider security as well. Would like to be involved with local church leaders and have positive inter-faith relations and do good deeds for each other and the community.

>>64186649
consider suicide

>>64184576
Is this a new YWNBAW pasta
>>64185809
>wall of text
lol. lmao even
How is being from Chicago any different from Damascus, Alexandria or any other major city of iniquity and sin like so many successful Christian saints and theologians?

The Poor Fellow Soldiers of Jesus Christ was a better name. I call myself one, privately(or anonymously). I have The History of the Knights Templars by Charles G. Addison but I didn’t finish it. A very dry read with a horrific ending I’m already aware of.
Also worth reading is the catechisms on honorable warfare and C.S. Lewis’s essay Why I Am Not a Pacifist.

>>64187096
Paragraph 2309 of the Catechism outlines four conditions for the moral legitimacy of using military force for self-defense:

Lasting, grave, and certain damage: The harm inflicted by an aggressor on a nation or community must be of a serious and definite nature.

Last resort: All peaceful means for resolving the conflict must have been exhausted or proven ineffective.

Serious prospects of success: There must be a reasonable probability that military action will succeed.

Proportionality: The use of armed force must not create evils and disorders that are greater than the evil being eliminated. The power of modern weaponry is a heavy factor in evaluating this condition.


I am Protestant but am aware of the lack of many theologically sound writings that are ignored by our many denominations.

God bless.

>>64184632
>are catholics really this stupid?
Yea. Most don't even fucking understand that there's 4 branches of christianity:
>Catholic
>Orthodox
>Protestant
>Evangelical
They generally just look at whatever the crazed fuck the latter is doing and equate it with everyone that isn't them (and ignore the ortho as much as possible)

>>64186632
It's Esther
>>64185668
>But that megachurch armed response team swag would be kino
Bolo ties, pinky rings, colorful sunglasses, rhinestone plate carriers, and Peggie-style AR's with crosses and shit on them

>>64184490
The solution would be an organization that's formally independent and not subject to any one church, but maintaining formal relations with select churches (based on whatever criteria you like) from which it then accepts members. Like an independent military order
This would, ideally, enable cross-denomination cooperation and at least partly insulate the organization from church politics
>>64185668
>megachurch armed response team
Please no Kenneth Copeland death squads
>>64186632
The elusive Messianic Jew
>>64187206
Evangelicals are a subset of protestants

>>64185892
>5 years
Yes.

>>64187206
>evangelicals are megachurches
What. That's a baptist thing. Evangelicals are the most aggressive in foreign affairs and domestic policy.

>>64187979
Retard or Muslim? (Big overlap)

>>64187206
>4 branches of Christianity
Where on earth did you get that crazy idea? Jesus bestowed his leadership upon Saint Peter. There's only 1 true Christianity. And a whole bunch of greedy lying fucks who are trying to line their pockets.

>>64188093
>they stop for 5 years
>you
>nooooooo
Fucking zoomers I fucking swear.

>>64188130
>other papers and thousands on social media begin publishing images of mudhammed
>this is a somehow a victory against the news media
retarded faggots, I swear

>>64184558
Probably due to having a massive Catholic population and being the largest money source for the Catholic church. Now post your confirmation saint or eat a dick fag who just read about my religion due to some gay Tiktok

>>64188202
>noooooo OTHER PEOPLE DID!
>the newspaper didn't
Hey dumbass you're in another stadium.

>>64187979
>>64188130
>>64188276
Post gun and hand, retard

>>64188095
>And a whole bunch of greedy lying fucks
Nothing against catholics, but that's pretty fucking rich

>>64184182 (OP)
>Would we have to bring back a modern version of the Templar Order?
Templar fags and SPQRetards are the gayest thing to happen since gay came to Gay Town.

>>64185694
>even California valley girls have more fucking common sense
Too far (unless he's British), Cali is on its own level with the amount of influence (((THEY))) have on the population.

>>64185809
>Lmao bro, your country can’t even drink milk without half the population shitting themselves.
NTA, but I think you're retarded. Dairy is one of our biggest industries; we consume more of it than your country does, and I don't even have to ask what country you're in to know that's a fact.

>>64187206
The Evangelicals are Protestant.

>>64187954
>The solution would be an organization that's formally independent and not subject to any one church, but maintaining formal relations with select churches (based on whatever criteria you like) from which it then accepts members. Like an independent military order
>This would, ideally, enable cross-denomination cooperation and at least partly insulate the organization from church politics
That sounds like a lot more effort than just keeping a few armed volunteers. We wouldn't need an independent military order unless we were starting another crusade.

>>64184558
The Pope is literally from Chicago.

>>64188827
>We wouldn't need an independent military order
Anon, the thread is literally about starting an offbrand Templar order

>>64184182 (OP)
Essentially everyone should be armed by default, everywhere, all the time.

>>64189271
Read the title.

>>64187395
Peggie?

>>64184422
>>64184804
I use the book of Nehemiah as a reference point for the purpose of self-defense. Nehemiah 4:15-23 talks about how the men and builders were armed and watchful while they rebuilt the walls of Jerusalem. Verse 17b "...The laborers who carried the loads worked with one hand and held a weapon with the other."

>>64184302
Most of the Methodist churches I’ve been to will have one or two uniformed off duty cops, typically part of the congregation who pull security on Sunday. Then add in one or two hired armed security personnel, plus a few deacons that are CC’ing. That’s not to mention any member of the congregation that might CC just because it’s their right to do so. The largest church I’ve ever attended a service at was a Baptist mega church that I’m sure you’ve heard of, and they had the city’s local SWAT team captain coordinating a security detail that would make most first world heads of states feel pitiful by comparison.

Before you all lose your shit, no I am not nor have I ever been a member of them Baptist party. I spent the night at a school friend’s place and went to church with their family in the morning.

>>64184422
I go to church buck ass naked and armed because I follow the word of Jesus, to an insanely literal degree, when he tells us to sell our cloak and buy a sword if we have none. Among members of my congregation I am known as Big Deacon Rocks Out with His Flocks Out. Yes, I have a G40 because Glock size matters. Ask your mom.

>>64185800
Sounds about right. Tbh Germans really are the worst offenders. Whatever the gov' says, they WILL follow. It's really in their blood or idk.

Wow you guys really don't know comparative theology.

>>64187954
>Evangelicals are a subset of protestants
False. This would be like saying cath and ortho are the same (either being a subset of the other). Evangelicals believe in a lot of very distinct things that all protestants don't.

>>64187997
Baptists are almost universally evangelical. They say they aren't, but they are, lmao. Baptists are the brainlets of theology and arguments anyway, they kinda suck at building coherent arguments.

>>64188827
>The Evangelicals are Protestant
Again, i don't think this will hold up. Most baptists and evangelicals have such distinct, irreconcilable differences to the rest of christianity, that sooner or later we will recognize them as separate. Obviously if you're a cath you likely will just define anything as protestant that isn't cath or ortho, but that's similarly retarded.

This whole conversation is getting even worse when you consider that most people think Mormonism is protestant (when in fact it has nothing to do with christianity, it's about as christian as islam is, which is to say, not at all). Same with JWs.

Anyway, i don't want to rip rifts into christianity; people like their denominations and that's fine, as long as everyone recognizes and tries to follow our lord and saviour Jesus Christ we should be OK. Bless you all folks, i know these arguments can feel heated but I hope you all are blessed with lots of kids so that our children can carry on the age old tradition of eternally bickering about details, thus showing our dedication to the cause.

>>64190597
>Evangelicals believe in a lot of very distinct things that all protestants don't.
Every single Protestant denomination has beliefs that don't align with the other denominations. By your logic no Protestant is Protestant.

>Obviously if you're a cath you likely will just define anything as protestant that isn't cath or ortho
I'm not Catholic. I'm a nondenominational Christian who was raised in an evangelical church. That's how I know that evangelicals are Protestants. I get it; you don't want to associate with Lutherans because they are pro-LGBT, and you don't want to associate with Calvinists because of their predestination thing. Let me explain something: none of the Protestant sects agree on everything, but what sets them apart from Catholics and Orthodox is that all Protestants believe in Scripture as the ultimate authority for faith and practice, faith for salvation, grace, Christ as the mediator, and the glory of God, while the Catholics and Orthodox think Scripture is equal to sacred tradition. You may not associate with the denominations you disagree with, but following Scripture while rejecting the Pope makes you a Protestant.
>This whole conversation is getting even worse when you consider that most people think Mormonism is protestant
Yeah, that's because Mormons falsely claim they are Christian. The fact that they hold Joseph Smith as an idol rather than rebuking Joseph and being loyal to Jesus alone makes them not Protestant and not Christian.

>>64184422
Church isn't a place for you to nap, retard. Actually pay attention to what the Bible says

>>64189671
From Far Cry 5; Set in rural Montana, the antagonist faction is a doomsday cult that takes over the entire county, Project Eden's Gate - PEG, hence peggies, as the NPCs call them
>inb4 vidyaslop
It's genuinely a good game, and the setting is kino af

>>64190597
I don't think you know what Protestantism is - it's everyone who broke away from the Catholic church during the reformation, that's the entire qualifier. Their beliefs aren't uniform, there are notable theological differences between Lutherans, Calvinists, Anabaptists and any groups that might have splintered or developed from these.
Evangelicalism is a movement within these protestant denominations, mostly defined by the emphasis on personal spiritual experiences and conversion (the whole "born again" thing). Very notably, it doesn't include any specific theological beliefs of its own and is instead entirely centered around the manner in which its adherents experience their faith

>>64190740
>pay attention to what the bible says!

t. guy whos only interaction with the bible is googling "what part of the bible says its ok to kill people"

>>64184198
>"Guns aren't for defense, this is how your average American (you) will react"
>Replying to pic rel of gun being used defensively
>"99% of faggots don't even try"

Bird-boned Eurocuck fingers typed this, no question

>>64184182 (OP)
Why do they need an armed volunteer in a church? Are they scared of dying or something? They don't believe in an eternal afterlife if they insist on having a gunman to keep them alive. Also, what about the "You shall not kill" commandment? Are they actual Christians or are they just larping?

>>64191137
Nta but I fucking love that game. I work outdoors in the rural rockies, open carry for work, and am always blasting that soundtrack.
I'm not religious but I don't think I took away from that game what they wanted me to.

>>64191540
>what about the "You shall not kill" commandment?
Acktually, it's "thou shalt not commit murder".

Why are Americans so desperate to model their country after Afghanistan and Iraq? Did they spent too much time there?

Nah, we just need gun control. Too many of you fucks are too retarded to handle one

>>64185845
>there's no way to fix this problem, is there?
No way, shootings are part in parcel of "freedom".

>>64191178
Cool, by that very definition you have the historical protestant churches only. Most baptists, by your definition, would not be protestant. They would, in fact, have to be something else, namely, evangelical.

Thx for agreeing with me, basically :)

>>64192145
>and any groups that might have splintered or developed from these
Reading shouldn't be this hard

>>64192001
Why are you foreigners so obsessed with America and confidently retarded?

>>64191178
>>64192215
I responded to him in >>64190639, but he'd rather remain ignorant. For a guy who claims to read the Bible, he might be struggling with literacy.

I worked medical standby at a large church for a while. The pastor was great and his sermons didn’t tow the line of “accept everyone as they are because that is what loving your neighbor means”. Dude literally called out the fact that just because public acceptance of homosexuality and prosperity “gospel” is the modern normal it is still strictly prohibited by biblical statements. And, suprise! He got death threats. For actually teaching from the Bible and not altering the message to fit societal expectations. He wasn’t an extremist or a hater. At all. He specifically stated that ultimate judgement is not ours to make, but is solely up to God. And, people wanted him dead for teaching from the Bible anyway.
There were probably a half dozen or more guys that carried pistols under their blazers that I met and none of them were stupid or arrogant or otherwise untrustworthy men. When I went back to the church later as just a dude in a pew I carried myself.
You have the right to protect yourself anywhere you go. Church, post office, voting booth, wherever.
Knights Templar my ass. How about you don’t get to just kill people without risk of getting shot yourself.

>>64189684
>a security detail that would make most first world heads of states feel pitiful by comparison
Sounds cool anon, can you go into detail?

>>64185809
What cunt are you from?

>>64187206
no there isn't lol. There's Catholics, Orthodox, Protestants. saying there's a difference between protestants and evangelicals is protestant cope. if I had to define the 3 branches, Catholics are subject and in communion with the Pope, the Orthodox are the Eastern Christians with valid holy orders , Eucharist, etc but not subject to the Supreme Pontiff (in schism), and the Protestants stem from the Protestant Revolution in the 16th century and do not have vaild holy orders or any sacraments besides baptism (assuming youre using the Trinitarian formula AND believe in the trinity, so of course Mormon baptisms are not valid for example) and matrimony. No, Mormons and those other guys I cant remember the name of right now that call themselves Christian are not, because they don't believe in the Trinity. Protestants are still Christian, but obviously with many flawed understandings. I reccomend submitting to Rome and the Church founded by Christ built upon the rock of St Peter (which outside of the Church there is no reasonable hope of salvation, read the Sylabbus of Errors), but all in God's good time, friend. May God bring us all closer to Himself.

>>64184182 (OP)

I go to a Catholic church we kind of do.

If you ask the Priest he'll talk with you for a few minutes to make sure you aren't insane then give you permission to carry. They actively encourage it. I live in a town with very high carry rates, I'd guess there's at least 15-20 people who are armed in every Mass.

>>64184182 (OP)
2 people killed in some church

Everyon panics


Calls for gun control by both left and the right

Now people want armed idiots in churches

>>64196815
We're all armed idiots. We have a right to be.

>>64186668
*laughs in American

>>64184942
How do you know?

>>64184182 (OP)
>Should churches have armed volunteers?
No.
They should be forced conscripts or levies.

>>64185311
>Gun culture has been in decline.
Maybe it's a you problem
>The youtubers that taught the lifestyle and responsibility have moved on.
We all knew Harrell would die someday. We can still watch his youtubes. Everybody else is a roided clout chasing retard.
>People make less money nowadays and can't afford the hobby as much.
Should have job hopped like a lot and remortgage at lower rates.
>The Republican party has been hijacked as a cult for Trump instead of being a vehicle to protect gun rights and promote small business.
$0 tax stamps says otherwise.
>The pandemic killed the ability for a whole generation to go outside and socialize with others.
Only pussies stayed home. Rest of us got stronger communities. Pussy
>Community in general is a dying concept.
You sound like a pussy assed ledditor

>>64200058
>plenty of guys conceal carry at Mass
>ask me how I know
because I've CC'd every time I've gone to Mass ever since I got my permit. only time I don't CC is if I'm gonna go out and have some drinks.

Anyone else feel like evangelicals are the pagans of Christendom? Like they're just worshiping Jesus, like one would worship an idol or the sun?

>>64184394
lack of practice drawing is what killed him.
it doesn't matter where you put the damn thing, if you have to think through the draw, you're not ready to draw.

>>64200109
>$0 tax stamps says otherwise.
NTA but despite the stamp being free, the matter of fact is that there is still a registry; you can be denied a suppressor. The guy you are claiming to be pro-gun was the one to make the bump stock ban, supported red flag laws, and is fighting to keep the machine gun ban in place.

>>64200109
>>The Republican party has been hijacked as a cult for Trump instead of being a vehicle to protect gun rights and promote small business.
>$0 tax stamps says otherwise.
Psh. I'm a pretty big Trump supporter, but that $0 tax stamp means very little. The problem with suppressors being NFA items is the paperwork and registry, the $200 is just the retarded cherry on top. If we could choose, we all would've chosen to keep the $200 tax stamp but remove the registry.

>>64201747
And he is still the most pro gun president we've had this century

>>64202440
I dunno, red flag laws are the most anti-2A regulation this country has ever had. Anyone who dislikes you can claim you threatened them, and then you lose your rights, no questions asked. You have to spend time and money in court to get your rights back, and no one who made a fake report gets punished.

>>64202472
>And he is still the most pro gun president we've had this century
Trump 45 is not the same as Trump 47

Cucktholic sisters I don’t feel so good…
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/aug/31/pope-leo-minnesota-school-shooting

>>64202503
>Trump 45 is not the same as Trump 47
Then why is his administration fighting to keep suppressor regulation and the machine gun ban? Free tax stamps were not the goal; getting rid of tax stamps and the registry was the goal.

>>64200452
You're somewhat off. They worship the Bible and its laws as an idol. Jesus' less "exciting" concepts of faith and goodness never feature in any of their arguments.

>>64202537
The registry is likely to be axed by the lawsuit that was filed
Going full pro machine gun is unrealistic for BOG (boomer occupied government)
None of these things invalidates the amount of pro 2a actions taken by the administration and even DOJ, which has never happened before

>>64202567
>The registry is likely to be axed by the lawsuit that was filed
The lawsuit that the Trump administration is against.

>>64202675
Don't know why people think that the guy who's deploying the military to cities he doesn't like would be pro-2a.

>>64202702
No, see, him doing that is actually based because I don't like those people. And because I like him, he could declare himself president for life and I would claim it's the most based thing to ever happen because democracy is gay and unamerican.

>>64202702
I don't know if they've even responded to the lawsuit, their position wouldn't matter much since they will lose the lawsuit
Not sure are you are trying to say
Because you perceive the administration isn't absolutely perfect in advancing 2a it is somehow completely anti 2a?
None of these things change the objective fact that this is the most pro 2a administration
Few thought NFA would realistically be attacked, then it happened

>>64202751
Meant for >>64202675

>>64202702
putting some law in order in major american cities full of illegals raping, murdering, stealing and burning american flags is... le bad!! cry about it libtard.
>>64202725
based. trump for eternal monarch 2024------

>>64202702
>Don't know why people think that the guy who's deploying the military to cities he doesn't like would be pro-2a.
You see, taking out murderers and rapists rather than giving them slaps on the wrists is the right thing to do. Taking away liberties from people who have not murdered and raped is bad. Let's not conflate two separate issues.

>>64202751
>I don't know if they've even responded to the lawsuit
The attorney general has been very outspoken about her anti 2A beliefs.
>Because you perceive the administration isn't absolutely perfect in advancing 2a it is somehow completely anti 2a?
The advancements we've made for the 2A have been made in spite of our current executive branch, not because of them. >>64202751
>"None of these things change the objective fact that this is the most pro 2a administration..."
"... of this century." You sure do love repeating this. You know this century has only had 4: Bush Jr., Obama, Trump, and Biden. This century has literally just started.
>Few thought NFA would realistically be attacked, then it happened
And our leaders in the executive branch have been on the side that's trying to keep the NFA. Like I mentioned earlier, we didn't want free tax stamps; we wanted no tax stamps necessary, and then they got involved.

>>64184182 (OP)
As far as I know my church has no one designated to carry, but I'm not too worried since I carry 100% I'm there and I only miss 5 or 6 Sundays a year. I go back and forth between my P365 and my 1911 in a shoulder holster when I decide to wear a sport coat. Yes I like to larp as a gangster, sue me.

>>64202839
The usage of authoritarian tactics against acceptable targets is invariably a prelude to using authoritarian tactics against less acceptable targets. Let's not be historically ignorant and let knee-jerk reactions to crime poison us to the restraint the Founders insisted the government be shackled with.

>>64202839
>The attorney general has been very outspoken about her anti 2A beliefs.
yet most of her actions as AG have been pro gun
>made in spite of our current executive branch
none of it would've happened without the executive
>You sure do love repeating this
and its an objective fact, you can go back even further, it's arguably the most pro 2a in history since the founders didn't have to deal all the anti 2a shit we deal with today
>we wanted no tax stamps necessary, and then they got involved.
what are you referring to?
the senate didn't want to overrule the parliamentarian even though there is no legal basis for the registry without the tax and because of that is is likely to be killed anyway

>>64202870
Look up the Whiskey Rebellion of 1791. George Washington himself had to lead the Continental Army to a bunch of rebellious people from Kentucky.

>>64202907
>yet most of her actions as AG have been pro gun
>none of it would've happened without the executive
You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink. If being ignorant was a competitive sport, then you could go pro.
>and its an objective fact, you can go back even further, it's arguably the most pro 2a in history since the founders didn't have to deal all the anti 2a shit we deal with today
Our founding fathers would have personally executed any government official who would try something like "red flag laws." You, sir, are a halfwit muppet.

>>64202870
>when we're in office, we shouldn't wield power, because then if leftists are in office they might wield power too!
its not 2012 tea party anymore. liberals rigged the election in 2016, tried to throw him in prison when they realized he would win in 2024, and when that didn't work, tried to assasinate him. haven't you learned anything in the past 10 years?

>>64202955
*2020, not 2016

>>64202953
>Our founding fathers would have personally executed any government official who would try something like "red flag laws
yes which is why I said arguably
what isn't arguable is the fact that this is the most pro 2A admin in generations with the non violent felon rights restoration and recent attacks on the NFA, none of which would be possible without the executive, specifically Trump winning the election
Even Bruen never would've happened without Trump winning and appointing 3 supreme court justices, if Hillary filled the supreme court and all the lower courts with anti gunners we would be fucked
It is profoundly ignorant to claim these victories have been "in spite" of the executive
Is it 100% perfect? Fuck no, what is 100% perfect? Acting like this admin is actually anti 2a like democrats are is dishonest and delusional

>>64202955
>liberals rigged the election in 2016
You've had nearly 10 years to produce evidence for this, yet still haven't.
>tried to throw him in prison when they realized he would win in 2024
You are a gigantic nigger for actively ignoring the mountains of evidence of his criminal behavior because he's /yourguy/. The only non-nigger position is to drain the swamp and send anyone who's broken the law to jail, following a fair trial before a jury of their peers. No one, on any side of politics and irrespective of their wealth or influence, should be above the law.

I can't believe I replied to this fucking bait.

>>64203045
trump literally won the popular vote, first president in 20 years, that liberal nonsense trying to smear him as a "criminal" right before the election didnt work, even for the majority of americans. cry about it lefty.

You're all sick people.
I hope you all get cancer. Fuck youse all.
I put a curse upon you all.
Fuck ya
mudda

>>64202702
>stopping criminals is tyranny
This is why you lost 2024 and will lose 2028.

>>64202870
>the police arrest people!
>they could arrest everyone so we shouldn't have police!
Suck start a shotgun.

>>64203045
>criminal behavior
Nobody fell for it.

>>64186615
>these guys moved to waco in 2021
oh boy

>>64184632
>are catholics really this stupid?
Yes they are. You’d have to be a complete imbecile to actually believe in Roman Catholicism in 2025 when everyone in the world has a pocket computer with access to the Bible translated into every language on earth. The main reason the Reformation even happened is because Gutenberg’s printing press democratized the Bible, and allowed people to finally read it translated into their local languages. The Catholics chimped out and started killing people for trying to read the Bible, but eventually came out with their own approved translations in the 1500’s in response to the Reformation letting the cat out of the bag. This was followed by hundreds of years of religious wars in Europe. Protestants founded the first settlements in America to get away from these retards. Then in the 1960’s, the Vatican finally did away with Latin Mass, and allowed priests to do it in local languages. So when are Catholics going to admit that Protestants were right all along? I’m not even getting into how pants-on-head retarded Catholic theology actually is, since that’s an entirely different can of worms.

>>64203695
>So when are Catholics going to admit that Protestants were right all along?
About what exactly?
I hope you don't mean about salvation by simply believing in Jesus once then continuing to sin without repenting or even caring as many prots do

>>64184198
>guns arent for defense
Very low effort and confusing bait.

>>64184284
Shalom!

>>64184182 (OP)
In the usa theres some law that give funding to relligious groups for security. Jews take a lot of money of money this way. Why dontbchruches apply for them. All jewish temples have armed guards

>>64203708
>About what exactly?
That the Scripture should be accessible to the masses instead of restricted to Latin, which only richfags could read back in Medieval and Renaissance times.
>I hope you don't mean about salvation by simply believing in Jesus once then continuing to sin without repenting or even caring as many prots do
How is this any different from Catholics who sin all week, and then go to confession on Sunday thinking it absolves them of everything? The difference is that Protestants believe John 3:16 means what it says, while Catholics added a bunch of other qualifiers for salvation in their talmud AKA the catechism.

>>64203734
>5 days later

>>64203695
Look at the recent spikes in conversion rates to Catholicism in America and across Europe. Many adults are returning to the faith, meanwhile, Protestantism is stagnant or dying. The moral relativism and inherent instability/liberalism in Protestantism is not appealing to young people. Alexis Tocqueville said that eventually, America will either be atheist or catholic, and I tend to believe him. picrel

>>64204582
I mean yes Roman Catholicism is the perfect religion for simple-minded people who need some sort of infallible daddy figure to tell them what to think. When Pope Leo tells you to give up your guns, are you going to be obedient? If not, welcome to Protestantism.

>>64204611
NTA, but there's always like 7 flavors of sedevacantism, in the same way theres gotta be a hundred sects of protestantism.
>no no, im a zionist lutheran; totally different from a regular lutheran
We're all wrong about christ, probably have peter or paul to blame for it, damasus was a rad body stacking mother fucker, but was his bible right? Who knows. Luther was a fool for not including maccabees, gotta get the context to get the jewish factionalism inherent in jesus's day.

>>64204654
>theres gotta be a hundred sects of protestantism
A sect is not Protestantism unless it was founded by actual ordained ministers during the Reformation, so like between the 16th and early 18th Centuries. Catholics just look at any heretical "church" founded by whackjobs like Unitarianism or Jonestown and call it Protestantism.

>>64204717
>Catholics just look at any heretical "church" founded by whackjobs like
Luther? It looks the same to them because it looks the same. Some were founded by ordained ministers and when the reformation ended isnt a hard date that could be debated. Like I said though, we're all most likely heretics; none of us actually live like jesus wanted us too (as evidenced by our posting here), and no one without a time machine has any claims of knowing better.

Jews already do this

>>64204611
Honest question, do you think if the Pope said that you should give up your guns, Catholics would be bound to do so?

>>64204742
Luther was an ordained Catholic priest lol Catholics are so big on "apostolic succession," so they should at least recognize that actual Protestant churches were started by ordained ministers, and are therefore still in succession with the Apostles. They just want to use "we're right and everyone else is wrong" as a way to avoid critical thinking. I'm sure there are plenty of Catholics in heaven, but they're not there because they're Catholic.

>>64204742
>no one without a time machine has a claim of knowing better
Well, submitting to the successors of the Apostles and the Church that Christ founded with St. Peter as her head sounds like a pretty good bet, especially considering our blessed Lord's promise that "the gates of hell shall not prevail against [the Church]." Way better than Pastor Bob down the street who started his own "church" in 2014 in the strip mall between a Denny's and a yoga place, or some German priest completely disconnected from the doctrines of the early Church, who abandoned his vows and took a nun out of the convent in 1512.

>>64184198
The OP literally shows an actual boomer quick draws and stop an attempted church massacre. Not only that, but multiple other armed church goers had their weapons drawn by this point too. Many people train wejly, if not daily, for this sort of situation. McFucking kill yourself.

https://youtu.be/53hleVLARbE

>>64204778
Apostolic succession not only means ordination, but ordination of a bishop (the apostles were bishops) and not only means ordination of a bishop but communion with the Church and fidelity to the Catholic faith. So if a random heretical Catholic priest today started his own little religion, or even a random heretic Catholic bishop started his own little religion, that false religion would not be a product of "apostolic succesion."

>>64204760
I'm sure Catholics will come up with some mental gymnastics to explain why the Pope is only the infallible successor to Jesus Christ AKA God in the Flesh when they personally agree with what he says.

>>64204810
Protestants aren't heretical since we still believe in the Trinity and recite the Nicene Creed. Protestants just believe Scripture supersedes tradition, and don't adhere to fanfic doctrines grafted in from paganism during the 4th Century like praying to dead people, bowing to statues, etc.

>>64204778
As you said, luther was a priest and the ordination of a minister is basically up in the air without a structure like the one the catholic church has. Is the westboro baptist church the apostolic successor to peter?
>>64204787
Again, the cracks were already loud and proud with damasus, leo 1 did his best with monophysitsm and yet it came back around with monothelitism and stuck for a good chunk of the eastern church. Hell, even honorious couldn't keep the story straight over a millenia of telephone game ago.

>>64204841
>heretical since we still believe in the Trinity and recite the Nicene Creed
More to not being a heretic than that

>>64185028
>That's why troons and polniggers only shoot up churches even though they're always bitching about da joos

Was there not a shooting in a Pittsburgh synagogue a few years ago?

>>64204841
>believe in Trinity and Nicene Creed means not heretical
>Catholics believe in Trinity and Nicene Creed
so if you don't think Catholics are heretics, what exactly are you trying to convince me of?

>>64204943
>1999
>a few years ago
Anon, its been 26 years. That shooting probably has a couple kids and a wife.

Should the US government stop allowing groups like O9A and 764 to groom retarded children into becoming schizophrenic mass shooters? That might help.

>>64204984
What is there to do? They have freedom of religion, if they want to attend a roleplay of their mass execution every week and more often, then say a men there, have their own private schools to prevent education from reaching them, and then die to themselves, they're being allowed to do that.

I'd say church shooters, especially church shooters that shoot themselves, didn't want to live with those church people and didn't want to live with government either

>>64184394
why he tried to draw down on a man who had him at gunpoint is really the sad part. He was dead the second that shotgun lined up on him. Hope he doesn't see you as a threat and try to live for a second chance to draw was the better option is what this situation clearly tells us.

>>64204984
Im sorry, who? American neocalvinism is wild to me

>>64205093
>>64205103
O9A is an old school glowie-connected decentralized Satanist group that grew out of the British intelligence group Column 88, and 764 is a recent online extension of that which has been prominently promoted by an FBI informant named Joshua Sutter. https://www.wired.com/story/the-dangerous-exploits-of-an-extremist-fbi-informant/

>>64204984
The Online Safety Act prevents harms and can be repurposed and retooled by the US gov

>>64205162
Yes, that is the purpose of the Strategy of Tension. You facilitate chaos and violence by giving carte blanche to psychopaths in order to justify control. It's the same MO whether we're talking about Ordine Nuovo, the Brabant Killers, or edgelord discord groups that prey on children.

>>64184182 (OP)
>modern version of the Templar Order?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQ8j2l_pXCA

I am an acolyte in the Orthodox church, which means I wear a robe, which adds an entire second to my draw time, I have a shoulder holster coming on the 11th, what should I do in the meantime?

>>64184594
>>64184615
Yes the templars are still around. Its become merged with free masonry now but at least they do still have swords.

>>64205514
It's funny that freemasons / templars think they're enemies with the Catholic Church / Knights of Malta when they're really all a part of the same criminal conspiracy

>>64205445
>Orthodox church
Which one?

>>64205620
Eastern

>>64204975

No I'm talking about the 2018 shooting in Pittsburgh. 11 dead, the perpetrator Robert Bowers gained himself a bit of online infamy with his mantra "screw your optics I'm going in".

>>64202529
>gun control shills who want to effectively restart the Civil War in the United States by turning a huge chunk of the population into criminals overnight shove bottles up their own asses
>Serb started the Yugoslav Wars by shoving a bottle up his own ass

>>64205609
they don't

>>64205837
>they don't
many of them do

>>64205844
nah

>>64205854
Why do you say that?

>>64205609
Freemasons hate Catholics

>>64205994
Yes, that's why it's funny that they both belong to the same global criminal conspiracy.

>>64205113
Pretty boring article, racist kids are cutting themselves or something?

What does any of that have to do with what's happening at church

>>64207097
A bunch of mass shooters, including the most recent one at the church, are connected to these groups.

>>64205806
history doesn't repeat; it rhymes

>>64189684
The methodist church I visited was full on rainbow flag BLM and everyone was 80+

>>64211016
The United Methodist Church got taken over by liberals in the late 2010’s and started allowing fag marriage in 2024. You have to go to one in the new “Global Methodist Church” to escape the shitlibs.

>>64184182 (OP)
Church safety team armed volunteer fag here.
We have seven guys on the team. Two are setup to be the main volunteers each week, one in the lobby and one in the sanctuary. It’s a mix of former military, a policeman, a security guard, and people with active shooter response training.
For 99% of the time you are more or less the greeting team with a CCW and a radio. Every now and again we will have to address an issue with a homeless guy strung out on something. We get them some food and coffee, offer to pray with them, and get them a care bag with toiletries, a bible and other random supplies. One homeless guy yells a lot, but aside from him the rest are laid back.
If someone did come to shoot up the church the best hope of stopping them would be in the lobby. If they got past that, there are very few angles in the building that wouldn’t place a classroom full of kids on the other side of a wall. Awful to think someone would ever try, but I’m glad to be able to serve at my church in this way.

>>64186649
>Mosques in the USA are regularly shot up and burned, people also break into the homes of Muslims and murder them. This happens a lot in the USA.
IT WAS REAL IN MY MIND!!!!!!!!!!

>>64211016
>>64213098
Oh no, they joined the Lutherans.

>>64213586
>Awful to think someone would ever try, but I’m glad to be able to serve at my church in this way.
You're doing the right thing.

>>64213586
jokes aside, this guy is literally doing the Lord's work here

>>64213098
It’s a clownworld church now. You hate to see it.

>>64189704
>because Glock size matters
goddamn right

>>64184182 (OP)
>the Templar Order
most of the people in that pic could stand to benefit from only eating 3 days out of the week
well that was the hospitalier I think

>>64204950
a lot of what the Catholics do is bogus, not heretical

>>64205663
which one

>>64204570
Yes

The shooter was yet another troon. There was some hemming and hawing from Reddit about the shooter apparently posting on /pol/, but then it turned out that they post on the /uhg/ly trannies general, in other words, they are a Reddit infiltrator.

>>64185845
Pinochet had a great idea. It involved a helicopter.