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Anonymous No.64189909 >>64189964 >>64190293 >>64191161 >>64191168 >>64191386 >>64191829 >>64193265 >>64193286 >>64193319 >>64197532 >>64200098 >>64201600 >>64201851 >>64201958 >>64219432
Imperial Islands just entered the chat
Now we have a proper 6th gen race.

https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/uk-and-japan-to-accelerate-new-fighter-jet-project/
Anonymous No.64189964 >>64191903
>>64189909 (OP)
inb4 FCAS schizo bot drops the same script again

but yeah tempest bros we are winning so much
Anonymous No.64189995 >>64191089 >>64192116
Japan had been requesting acceleration for awhile, they're REALLY trying to hit that 2035 deadline.
Anonymous No.64190010 >>64190057
> the Japanese carrier JS Kaga
I think you mean the helicopter-carrying destroyer JS Kaga.
Anonymous No.64190057
>>64190010
>helicopter-carrying destroyer
Still too militant. It's clearly a mobile humanitarian relief dock.
Anonymous No.64190293 >>64190951 >>64192748 >>64197312
>>64189909 (OP)
Surprising, considering what Japan did to the British after WW1. LOL JK
Anonymous No.64190916 >>64192596
>forgot Italy
ONONONO GCAP sisters! Is the project already falling apart?
Anonymous No.64190951 >>64193330 >>64195609
>>64190293
Alls fair in love and colonies
The brits dont hold grudges until you get to the home islands themselves
Anonymous No.64191089 >>64191354 >>64191810 >>64191955 >>64191964
>>64189995
they've also been requesting some saars
https://www.etvbharat.com/en/!international/india-in-gcap-japan-fighter-jet-pitch-signals-a-strategic-shift-in-asia-enn25050505601
>Japan eyes India for GCAP fighter jet project
Anonymous No.64191161
>>64189909 (OP)
It looks very hexagonal and ugly-cool, bongfluence shining
Anonymous No.64191168 >>64191226 >>64191287 >>64191552 >>64191560 >>64192400 >>64193277 >>64193538 >>64195734 >>64197244 >>64204222
>>64189909 (OP)
>italian reliability
>british design
what do the japs bring the table?
Anonymous No.64191226 >>64191560
>>64191168
Adaptive cycle engines.
Anonymous No.64191287 >>64191291 >>64191823
>>64191168
Money

Jokes aside Jap tech isn't dogshit. It's just that their own constitution plus the unknown / untested factor have stopped them from the export sales.
SOME of us here are old enough to remember when they said the same about South Korean hardware.
Anonymous No.64191291 >>64191383
>>64191287
>SOME of us here are old enough to remember when they said the same about South Korean hardware.
Fuuuck now i want japan to begin exporting arms and armour
Anonymous No.64191354
>>64191089
No one but some random indian milblogger believes that
Anonymous No.64191383 >>64193317
>>64191291
The JASDF is the most hardworking air force in the world (although they've never launched any warshots) because of the daily ADIZ provocations from China
Their air defence systems at least should be very good, maybe comparable (on paper) with the Israelis
Anonymous No.64191386 >>64191413
>>64189909 (OP)

UK is months away from an IMF bailout. That means Pay! Your! Debts! France will follow, and then all europeons will have to roll over their debt mountains at higher rates. If the UK ever gets 6th gen aircrafts, it will be a dozen of whatever USAF/USN is flying. You can count Europe out of the 6th gen race.
Anonymous No.64191413 >>64193269 >>64195337
>>64191386
>all europeons will have to roll over their debt mountains at higher rates
Anonymous No.64191552 >>64192180
>>64191168
Anonymous No.64191560 >>64191643 >>64191818
>>64191168
>italian reliability
Anon I...

>what do the japs bring the table?
Material science and money mostly.

>>64191226
Pretty sure 90% of the engine work will be done by rolls royce.
Anonymous No.64191643 >>64195242
>>64191560
>Pretty sure 90% of the engine work will be done by rolls royce.
You'd be wrong

Rumor mill is they're using the IHI XF-9 core as the starting point.
Anonymous No.64191810
>>64191089
That article is completely made up, saaar.
Anonymous No.64191818
>>64191560
>Pretty sure 90% of the engine work will be done by rolls royce.
No, it's a joint venture between RR IHI AA with each 33.3 workshare. Same with the main joint venture.
Anonymous No.64191823
>>64191287
>SOME of us here are old enough to remember when they said the same about South Korean hardware.
Which was proven to be the truth
Anonymous No.64191829 >>64191858 >>64191886 >>64191903 >>64192606
>>64189909 (OP)
France and Germany have more experience with fifth gens than the GCAP partners (UK, Italy and Japan), where none of the companies involved (BAE, Leonardo or Mitsubishi) have any experience as part of the original JSF design program or assembling F-35s locally
Anonymous No.64191858 >>64191905 >>64191917 >>64192320 >>64192322
>>64191829
You mean besides the, UK being the first partner in the JSF program, Italy producing F-35 wings and doing final assembly/delivery for some of the F-35As and F-35Bs for European customers, and Japan who makes F135 engine components, assembles F135 engines, and assembles F-35s as well as handling F-35 overhauls and upgrades. As well as japan's wholly domestic 5th gen demonstrator the X-2 shinshin.

Those are the countries that are behind France and Germany who have never worked on the F-35, or any other 5th gen program that flew?

Lol

Lmao even
Anonymous No.64191886
>>64191829
The bongs build part of the wing (roots?) of every single F35, just sayin
Anonymous No.64191903
>>64189964
>>64191829
bingo
Anonymous No.64191905 >>64191928 >>64191931 >>64191965 >>64192396 >>64193434
>>64191858
The Rafale, is fully the equal of the F-35, Su-57 and J-20 as a fifth generation fighter. Like the KF-21, it is a 4.5 gen with development potential to be further upgraded to fifth gen. That is why many countries, such as India, Indonesia, Qatar and the UAE which have requested F-35s or were looking at other fifth gen options like the Su-75 and KF-21, are now Rafale users.

The Eurofag Typhoon meanwhile remains a 4-4.5 generation aircraft with no further development potential, and the countries who are using it primarily (UK, Italy, Spain etc) are all F-35 users and have no incentive to develop it further.

If the Rafale was made by a non-NATO country, they would call it 5th gen.
Anonymous No.64191917 >>64192752 >>64193555 >>64195201 >>64195351 >>64209726
>>64191858
If FCAS falls apart then two different things will happen: France is going to build the cheapest next gen plane possible to not end their debt filled treasury, which may find some success in third world markets but can't be compared to American planes or Tempest.

Germany in combination with Spain and Sweden will accelerate the unmanned future with maybe trying to get a smaller share of Tempest to get the necessary rights to integrate their unmanned components. Aurora, Helsing's long range drone bomber or Airbus' loyal wingman will push Germany into the future faster than any other major air force - thanks to Trappier being too greedy.
Anonymous No.64191928
>>64191905
Rafale has no stealth, the literal defining characteristic of 5th gen fighters.

It is in no way an F-35/F-22 equivalent


You can cope about chink/soviet garbage, but I don't really consider them true 5th gens either.
Anonymous No.64191931
>>64191905
The Rafale is 5th ge-ACK
Anonymous No.64191955
>>64191089
>etvbharat
Anonymous No.64191964
>>64191089
Lmao that's a fantasy.

Japan has been the least open to allowing another partner because they think it'll just delay things further.
Anonymous No.64191965 >>64192065 >>64193042
>>64191905
>64115223
>64070622
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>63541850
>63513896
>63465775
>63456502
>62841242
>62692908
>62398700
>62071783
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(3 pages later)
>>51293908
What causes such mental illness?
Anonymous No.64192065 >>64193042
>>64191965
one day he'll probably kill himself and then we'll be free.
Anonymous No.64192116 >>64192142
>>64189995
Just saw this too, Japan really is sweetening the deal.
>UK-Japan defence ties enter ‘new golden age’ as Britain ‘not Nato only’: defence chief
>Japanese destroyers had for the first time provided protection for Royal Navy ships and RAF aircraft during manoeuvres; a British F-35 fighter touched down on the deck of the Japanese warship Kaga for the first time and Japanese F-15 jets are due to deploy to the UK in the coming weeks, in yet another first.
https://www.scmp.com/week-asia/politics/article/3323762/uk-japan-defence-ties-enter-new-golden-age-britain-not-nato-only-defence-chief
Anonymous No.64192142 >>64195589
>>64192116
Japan has close ties with many European nations.

Last year it was the German Air Force and Navy visiting Japan.
Anonymous No.64192180
>>64191552
What I find funny about that joke in this context is that a lot of the cheap Japanese stuff was (and is) actually made in Korea.

Still better than chinkshit.
Anonymous No.64192320
>>64191858
You're replying to a copypasta
Anonymous No.64192322 >>64192372
>>64191858
>Italy producing F-35 wings and doing final assembly/delivery for some of the F-35As and F-35Bs
Do we just produce those or did we partecipate on some of the development? If we just assemble stuff doesn't that mean we can't really contribute in any way to a 6th gen like the GCAP?
Anonymous No.64192372 >>64192386 >>64201611 >>64204010
>>64192322
The F135 Low-Pressure Turbine (LPT) and the combustor were developed and are manufactured by Avio Aero (acquired by GE in 2012).
Aerea S.p.A. were involved directly in the design phase of the missile launcher racks and produce them currently in their factory in Turate, Italy.
Leonardo while producing the wings, were also directly involved in the wing design
Anonymous No.64192386
>>64192372
Neat, wouldn't have expected it from my country
Anonymous No.64192396
>>64191905
>gets shot down because the underpowered engines can't lift a proper on-board ew system and the paint doesn't have any RAM whatsoever
Anonymous No.64192400 >>64192552 >>64192634
>>64191168
Big titty anime skins
Anonymous No.64192552
>>64192400
Based
Anonymous No.64192596
>>64190916
wops on suicide watch
Anonymous No.64192606
>>64191829
Stop posting this
Anonymous No.64192634 >>64193154
>>64192400
God they better have some sexy ass animu nose-art JK serafuku or else what the fuck is the point?
Anonymous No.64192695 >>64192705
Japan made a nice technology demonstrator.
Anonymous No.64192705
>>64192695
Look at them paddles
Anonymous No.64192748 >>64193356 >>64214104 >>64214332
>>64190293

It was among the monarchists, real tea drinking shit.
Anonymous No.64192752 >>64192764 >>64219391
>>64191917
Do you think Sweden would allow Germany and Spain to join the Flygsystem 2020 program?
Anonymous No.64192764
>>64192752
Considering Flygsystem 2020 itself has been put on hold until ~2030, I doubt it, unless germany/spain are willing to go along with whatever SAAB is offering with little pushback.

Sweden really likes smaller single engine jets that can take off/land on rural highways, if germany/spain want a larger 5/6th gen like GCAP/F-47 then they're not going to like whatever SAAB builds.
Anonymous No.64193042 >>64193065 >>64193093
>>64191965
>>64192065
Like, 2 years on, he still get a fuckton of free (you) for what is obviously a joke pasta. I know a lot of people on /k/ are on the spectrum and can't get around irony but still.
Anonymous No.64193065
>>64193042
Be kind to the newfags
Anonymous No.64193093
>>64193042
The funny thing is you actually think he's joking.

I can promise you, he believes most of it.
Anonymous No.64193154 >>64195075
>>64192634
Fuck animu noseart. I want a 5th gen flown by a Vocaloid who falls in love with one of the test pilots... and I want it to be able to fire all missiles at once if locked on the appropriate number of targets.
Anonymous No.64193265
>>64189909 (OP)
>Now we have a proper 6th gen race.
Anonymous No.64193269
>>64191413
I hate israeli settler memes so much its unreal
Anonymous No.64193277 >>64193300
>>64191168
Their XF9 has a thrust similar to an F119 but the size of an F100. Even if you de-rate the XF9 by the same degree as the F119, it has more specific thrust.
Anonymous No.64193286 >>64193297 >>64198052
>>64189909 (OP)
>6th generation

Isn't this just a buzzword? What is a "6th gen fighter" even supposed to be?
Anonymous No.64193297
>>64193286
>Isn't this just a buzzword? What is a "6th gen fighter" even supposed to be?"

he said^
on all-fours, barking like a dog
Anonymous No.64193300 >>64193314
>>64193277
I hope they can achieve the same efficiency as the XA100 though
Anonymous No.64193314 >>64193337
>>64193300
It's impossible to compare efficiency when the PW and GE haven't disclosed the TSFC of their newer military engines since the 1980s. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Anonymous No.64193317
>>64191383
>The JASDF is the most hardworking air force in the world (although they've never launched any warshots) because of the daily ADIZ provocations from China
Japan has scrambled jets around 900-1000 times per year for the past 5 years. I think the numbers for all of NATO combined for 2024 was something like 350 times.
Anonymous No.64193319 >>64193349 >>64195704 >>64196645 >>64200931
>>64189909 (OP)
The UK and Japan don't have any 6th gen development.
This is a memorandum to develop these technologies from scratch. Also, what happened to Italy?
Anonymous No.64193330
>>64190951
>Britannia's huns with their long range guns sailed in through the foggy dew
Anonymous No.64193337
>>64193314
Just taking the 25% fuel consumption reduction even without a comparison is pretty impressive
Anonymous No.64193349 >>64200570
>>64193319
>The UK and Japan don't have any 6th gen development.
Bro what? Japan had like 7 years of F-X/F-3 development before GCAP even started.
Anonymous No.64193356
>>64192748
I found it funny, anon
Anonymous No.64193434
>>64191905
bait used to be believable
Anonymous No.64193538 >>64195710 >>64195738
>>64191168
Nothing unironically. Like engines will we done by the UK, aerodynamics by Italy. Maybe Japan will do the software so you can play (tr)anime copy slop 5000 while patrolling.
Anonymous No.64193555
>>64191917
Nigga you’re a Muslim living in Germany. Just stfu already and stop spamming
Anonymous No.64195075
>>64193154
Well at least you're not a v-tumorfag.

I still want to see JK ZR and armpits on my 5th gen.
Anonymous No.64195201
>>64191917
Germany basically only needs to buy more F-35 und embrace the unmanned future. Let the other nations waste billions on manned fighters.
Anonymous No.64195242 >>64195339 >>64195395
>>64191643
https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/engine-testing-underway-for-new-british-tempest-fighter-jet/

This was 2 years ago.
Anonymous No.64195337
>>64191413
>>all europeons will have to roll over their debt mountains at higher rates

Worst case, euro bond contagion spreads to America, meaning America ends up paying more for rolling over its debt because some britbongers were fisically irresponsible. That would mean no separate USAF 6th gen program, they would have to go with the USN pick.
Anonymous No.64195339 >>64195479
>>64195242
Wow an engine duct being tested? Wow, Rolls Royce are basically making the whole thing huh? This proves it. If they're testing a duct then they're obviously building it from scratch alone. The dozens of RR engineers that moved to Japan will be relieved to hear it.
Anonymous No.64195351
>>64191917
>Germany in combination with Spain and Sweden will accelerate the unmanned future

Both Germany and Sweden are functionally bankrupt and fiscially overextended. Its either South Korean aircraft or American aircraft for their next gens.
Anonymous No.64195395 >>64195444
>>64195242
Isn't that basically a custom EJ200 for the UK's combat air demonstrator?
https://aviationweek.com/defense/aircraft-propulsion/uk-advances-tempest-demonstrator-toward-2027-first-flight

From what I understand, in the trilateral program, a new engine demonstrator is being built
https://www.janes.com/osint-insights/defence-news/defence/gcap-engine-demonstrator-progresses-in-design

which is based on the UK-Japan joint engine demonstrator (pic related)
Anonymous No.64195444
>>64195395
So the head of RR business development and future programs said:
>The XF9 has capabilities in it that we can pull into this demonstrator program

Obviously what he really meant was Rolls Royce is doing 90% of the development with nearly zero help from Japan.
Anonymous No.64195479 >>64195503
>>64195339
Indeed, Japan is so good at jet engines and that’s why nobody uses them while Rolls Royce is used on any new Airbus NEO jet, B-52 and V-280 just to name a few. Go back to playing video games, poopy. Japan brings nothing to the table but money, even their civilian jet failed.
Anonymous No.64195503 >>64195967
>>64195479
You're an actual embarrassment
Anonymous No.64195589 >>64195610 >>64195723
>>64192142
I'm stunned, the F-15 absolutely mogs the Eurofighter on looks
Anonymous No.64195609
>>64190951
>The brits dont hold grudges
Kek. Can you imagine if they did? I saw a map once that showed who they had never had a war with. Shit had like five countries highlighted. Bongs wouldnt be able to function if they had to have a grudge against everyone else.
Anonymous No.64195610
>>64195589
The Rafale and Typhoon are the ugliest euro deltas. Especially the Typhoon tube-body.
The Gripen and Mirage 2000 look far better.
Anonymous No.64195704
>>64193319
>The UK and Japan don't have any 6th gen development.
Are you retarded?
>Also, what happened to Italy?
Nothing, they talked about wanting to speed up the GCAP, but the forum is the PFF, pacific future forum, tf has Italy to do with the pacific beside the joint training exercises? They hold no territories there.
Anonymous No.64195710
>>64193538
>gookshill is back
Anonymous No.64195723
>>64195589
The F-15 looks like an actual eagle while the eurofighters look like bugs lol
Anonymous No.64195734 >>64196131
>>64191168
The ability to transform into a giant robot when operated by a high school girl.
Anonymous No.64195738 >>64214126
>>64193538
Bongoloid here
Japs and Wops are our new best friends, kys
Anonymous No.64195967
>>64195503
>Saan please suck up to Japan like all weaboomers
Lower your tone, there is nothing Japan is leading at other than pedophilia.
Anonymous No.64195972
Video game mode :)
Anonymous No.64196131
>>64195734
Don't be silly anon. It's only qualified pilots and teenage boys falling into cockpits that can turn it into a robot. The high school age girls sing the pop songs that motivate the teenage boys in battle.
Anonymous No.64196645 >>64197063
>>64193319
>Also, what happened to Italy?
they are there just to bear some of the financial cost. they are like Spain in the FCAS.
Anonymous No.64197063 >>64197079 >>64200931
>>64196645
I think more realistically it should've been 40/40/20 with italy getting 20%, but for fairness sake UK and Japan decided to play nice and give an equal split to italy.


Obviously UK/Japan are the main technical powerhouses in the program.
Anonymous No.64197079 >>64200931
>>64197063
fucking shitalians got pitied by the UK and Japan
Anonymous No.64197131 >>64197413 >>64199609
Isn't it kind of pointless though?

Russia has shown their "airforce" is vaporware that can be taken out by 60 year old tech.

China might have a legit airforce but their only real desire is Taiwan. It's not an actual threat to any western country in a military sense, because it doesn't' have to be. All it has to do is simply stop allowing the west to have access to it's minerals and they're all fucked unless they invade. Which is why China has an extremely strong defensive rocket and airforce.

The west is building an airforce to fight countries that don't have air forces to fight it instead of building ways to counter the things those countries actually have
Anonymous No.64197244
>>64191168
The virginity autism
Anonymous No.64197312 >>64197381 >>64199356 >>64200022
>>64190293
Britain and Japan were great buds in the late 19th-early 30th centuries. The Alliance was not renewed due to US pressure and that contributed to Japanese resentment and the slide into ultra-nationalism.
Anonymous No.64197381
>>64197312
>19th-early 30th centuries
Anonymous No.64197413
>>64197131
>All it has to do is simply stop allowing the west to have access to it's minerals and they're all fucked
Rare earth minerals aren't rare, they just rape the earth with all the poison that comes with extracting it which is why no western countries do it and leave the dirty work to Changs who will willingly pollute their own country. Just something like two mines in Cali can provide 80% or so of rare earth metals for the US, we just need to stomach the poisonous tailings that come with it.
Anonymous No.64197532 >>64197544 >>64197564 >>64199362
>>64189909 (OP)
>a proper 6th gen race
between FCAS and the US? maybe
china's not really in the picture, they haven't even built a proper 5th gen stealth aircraft yet.
Anonymous No.64197544
>>64197532
>FCAS
bait, FCAS is already facing difficulties and it's aiming for a service entry date 10-15 years after GCAP/F-47
Anonymous No.64197564
>>64197532
The GCAP and NGAD are from the only countries that have both the experience and tech to produce a 6th gen so you're wrong by trying to wriggle the FCAS in here. Dassault fucked it up big time.
Anonymous No.64198052
>>64193286
It's only 6th gen if:
1. It can do suborbital flights
2. It can transform into a giant mecha
Otherwise, it's Gen 5++
Anonymous No.64199356 >>64199617
>>64197312
I've always thought that GCAP was de facto Anglo-Japanese Alliance 2.0 in the form of joint fighter development and procurement, and it wouldn't be a pure coincidence that the merger and launch of the program was green-lit right after the puccia invasion of Ukraine, considering the fact the Alliance 1.0 was meant to keep Russia in check (also China this time).
Prime fighter jets are some of the most important and sensitive military assets in modern days, sharing its technology and production is nothing less than an alliance.
Anonymous No.64199362
>>64197532
>trying to insert chinks into the conversation
stealth chang post
Anonymous No.64199609
>>64197131
>but their only real desire is Taiwan
Just like the only real desire of the US is Greenland?
Anonymous No.64199617
>>64199356
>sharing its technology
except the uk is not doing it, as the wop in chief said. looks like you shouldn't have let them join
Anonymous No.64200022 >>64200498 >>64200549
>>64197312
>great buds in the late 19th-early 30th centuries
Yes, its remarkable how the Federated Suns and Draconis Combine put aside long-standing hostilities and incidents such as the Kentares IV massacre in the face of the Clan invasion
Anonymous No.64200098 >>64200203 >>64200532 >>64200547 >>64200563 >>64200584 >>64200616
>>64189909 (OP)
Is there any piece of concrete evidence that even a single thing is being worked on the GCAP beside CGI renders?
Anonymous No.64200203 >>64200233
>>64200098
Yes? Are you retarded or just hunting for a (you)?
Anonymous No.64200233
>>64200203
Probably a frog
Anonymous No.64200498
>>64200022
Hehe
Anonymous No.64200532 >>64200547 >>64200570
>>64200098
There are plenty. Pic rel is the demonstrator being built
Anonymous No.64200547
>>64200532
>>64200098
Or the Excalibur flying technology testbed.
Anonymous No.64200549 >>64200584 >>64200616
>>64200022
Pic rel is the loyal wingmen/drone swarm software being tested prior to live flights by Italy
Anonymous No.64200563
>>64200098
Japan is doing their work as well
Anonymous No.64200570 >>64200574 >>64201771
>>64200532
Looks an awful lot like the japanese airframe manufacturing methods being tested from the late 2010s. >>64193349
Anonymous No.64200574
>>64200570
A sign of an healthy cooperation
Anonymous No.64200584 >>64200585
>>64200549
was this meant for >>64200098?
Anonymous No.64200585
>>64200584
yeah, my bad.
Anonymous No.64200616
>>64200549
>>64200098
Virtual cockpit concept by Leonardo since the GCAP is said to receive an improved helmet compared to the F-35 one with true 3D AR.
Anonymous No.64200630 >>64200656 >>64200669 >>64200740
apparently she will be a plump gal
Anonymous No.64200656
>>64200630
We knew that from before it was even GCAP, both Japan and the UK were eying thicc fat bois for long range maritime deterrence patrols. So it's not a shock that their joint program has also given us a fighter with a fat ass and legs for days.
Anonymous No.64200669
>>64200630
Mama Mia look at those huge wings
Anonymous No.64200740
>>64200630
mmnnn doritos
Anonymous No.64200931
>>64193319
>>64197063
>>64197079
>https://www.edrmagazine.eu/gcap-an-italian-view
Good article that explains a bit what the Italians will bring to GCAP. Which will be mostly electronics, propulsion components of the engines, Integrated Sensing and Non-Kinetic Effects & Integrated Communications Systems etc.
Anonymous No.64201600 >>64204204
>>64189909 (OP)
>Attempt 1,090 to make s F22 copy
Anonymous No.64201611 >>64201637 >>64204905
>>64192372
>and the combustor were developed and are manufactured by Avio Aero
No they arn't
I used to weld up and braze F135 combustors.
Fuck off with your bullshit.
.t worked on the F35 program for years
Anonymous No.64201637 >>64201701 >>64201850
>>64201611
https://www.avioaero.com/military-aviation/propulsion-system
Anonymous No.64201701 >>64201722 >>64201850
>>64201637
How fucking DARE you
Anonymous No.64201722
>>64201701
sorry sweaty but FACTS don't care about your FEELINGS :)
Anonymous No.64201771
>>64200570
It doesn’t, also that kind of bulkhead manufacturing has been done for decades.
Anonymous No.64201850 >>64201898 >>64201953 >>64201970 >>64202492 >>64204205 >>64205895
>>64201637
That's a lie because I worked for the company the supplied those.
However, I do believe Pratt Whitney requires two suppliers for all military hardware.
Sounds like that's just a backup supplier that they never used.
For example, 99% the f135 afterburners were produced by one company.

>>64201701
Don't pretend to meet me faggot
Anonymous No.64201851
>>64189909 (OP)
>race
call me when it starts flying
till then there is no race
Anonymous No.64201898 >>64201913
>>64201850
that's a lie because my dad works for P&W and he said 100% of the F135 is made by Avio Aero
Anonymous No.64201913
>>64201898
My dad works for Nintendo and he said they make the F135.
Anonymous No.64201953
>>64201850
any actual evidence of your claims?
Anonymous No.64201958 >>64201969 >>64201971 >>64204024
>>64189909 (OP)
The uk has pilots?
Anonymous No.64201969
>>64201958
Danesh Patel will be the first pilot
Anonymous No.64201970
>>64201850
>Sounds like that's just a backup supplier that they never used.
How would you know? Do you think that sort of information is given to the peon doing the manufacturing work?

If a 2nd source WAS being utliized it would be your boss's boss's concern.
Anonymous No.64201971
>>64201958
Anonymous No.64202492
>>64201850
>That's a lie because I worked for the company the supplied those.
name the company.
Anonymous No.64204010
>>64192372
>(acquired by GE in 2012)
whenever we have something good in our country our politicians immediately allow it to be bought by forestiers
Anonymous No.64204024
>>64201958
RAF has never had retention issues
Anonymous No.64204204 >>64204639 >>64210173
>>64201600
You do realize the F-22 is utter shit right? It's vastly inferior to the F-35, loses dogfights to the F-18 and DACT against the Eurofighter etc.
The F-35 is superior in every single metric beside turn rate. The F-22 has a shitty radar, no HMCS no real DASS and SA augmentation etc.
The F-35 would already mog it today, the GCAP will most definetly mog it when it's in service.
Only kids who grew up with the Transformers movies idolize the F-22
Anonymous No.64204205
>>64201850
>Don't pretend to meet me faggot
>>>/reddit/
Anonymous No.64204222 >>64204229
>>64191168
>wop reliability
>bong design
It's not a question of what japs can bring onto the table but if it even matters in the first place, considering the project is already doomed with reliability measured in minutes and at least 5 critical crippling design flaws on a good day
Anonymous No.64204229 >>64204248 >>64209753 >>64214126
>>64204222
what is wrong with british design? and italian aircrafts were always reliable. our Club had a SF-260 that was envied by half the state
Anonymous No.64204248 >>64204261 >>64204270
>>64204229
I might give a pass to wops, considering my stigma is strictly based on cars. However, name a single bong design that didn't have at least 2 flaws.
>Hard mode: only consider aircraft
>Extra hard mode: take the design's peers into consideration
Anonymous No.64204261 >>64204355
>>64204248
>spitfire
>Hawk
>Harrier
>Vulcan
Anonymous No.64204270
>>64204248
/o/utsider here, Italian cars have started becoming unrealiable only in recent years due to them moving the production lines to third world countries. My Fiat UNO has been a tank. Same with my father's 124 which was even copied into the Lada.
Anonymous No.64204355 >>64204430 >>64205968
>>64204261
>Abysmal range, unreliable guns, choked to death in neg G
>Engines are eating shit, service life was revised from 7200 hours to 3700 hours
>Subsonic frontline strike aircraft with no missiles, radar or countermeasures in the age of gen 3 supersonics with fairly advanced missiles, multirole capabilities and even first gen laser guided munitions like on the Phantom or Intruder
>Subsonic jet bomber that relied on its speed for protection in the age of supersonic interceptor and early missiles, and, as much as it pains me to say it, wing root intakes sure didn't help structural stability on a 40 ton bomber
Anonymous No.64204430
>>64204355
>design
Anonymous No.64204639 >>64204684
>>64204204
Eh... the F-22 had some cool moments in Syria.
Anonymous No.64204684 >>64204690 >>64204700
>>64204639
Like?
Anonymous No.64204690 >>64204700 >>64205482
>>64204684
Anonymous No.64204700 >>64204902
>>64204684
>>64204690
If I recall correctly, they snuck to within eyeball-visual range of Russian and Syrian jets a couple of times.
They also participated in the 2018 strikes and the Battle of Khasham.
Anonymous No.64204902 >>64204936
>>64204700
>If I recall correctly, they snuck to within eyeball-visual range of Russian and Syrian jets a couple of times.
Jesus, I hoped you wouldn't mention that. The main source of that claim comes from a fucking jeet youtube short. It never happened. The only times F-22 have operated without their lunenberg reflectors were when they were doing escort missions for B2s etc like with the recent Iran strike.
Not to mention that to get "withing eyeball range" they would've had to be within 50nm of an enemy ground radar, which would've been able to pick them up and alert everyone, which is why we would never do such a stupid thing.
Anonymous No.64204905
>>64201611
>I used to weld up and braze F135 combustors.
You are the one making shit up, kid.
Anonymous No.64204936 >>64205221
>>64204902
>The only times F-22 have operated without their lunenberg reflectors were when they were doing escort missions for B2s etc like with the recent Iran strike.
Do you have memory issues
https://youtu.be/T6Ii45jxsLE
Anonymous No.64205221 >>64205421
>>64204936
Being called on station and doing nothing isn't much of an accomplishment.
Anonymous No.64205421 >>64205458
>>64205221
What do you want it them to do then, CAS and nonexistent bomber intercepts? The fact that it has never been detected when on station, forcing it to engage is just another of it's strengths.
Anonymous No.64205458 >>64205482
>>64205421
you're moving the goalpost, I'm not trying to claim the F-22 isn't stealth. I'm just rightly stating that beside airshow performances the F-35 will always outclass the F-22. We know for a fact the F-35 strolled through S400s and S500s, while the F-22 never even had the chance to do so since it's a one trick pony. The entire concept of a extremely manouverable stealth jet is retarded, as within BFM ranges even shitty 4th gen radars can get a radar lock.
Stealth wins when it's BVR and with an extremely powerful radar backing it up, not like the AN/APG-77 wunderwaffle
Anonymous No.64205482 >>64205703 >>64205733
>>64205458
>We know for a fact the F-35 strolled through S400s and S500s, while the F-22 never even had the chance to do so since it's a one trick pony. >>64204690

How do you think you know any of this shit? It's all classified. If pilots had issues with the Raptor radar you'd think there'd be whispers about it floating around forums. Thrust vectoring plays a role in launching high, defending and recommitting, so does it's extra TWR. What we do know for a fact is that the RCS of the F-22 is smaller than the F-35 by a magnitude of 10 especially from all aspect so half your comments don't even make sense.
Anonymous No.64205703 >>64205752
>>64205482
>Thrust vectoring plays a role in launching high, defending and recommitting
HAHAHAHAHA. Please don't tell me you're the same anon who tought the TVC of the raptor helped with its stealth and didn't even know it wasn't 3d TVC.
>What we do know for a fact is that the RCS of the F-22 is smaller than the F-35 by a magnitude of 10
Feel free to post any actual evidence, mr keyboard warrior.
Anonymous No.64205733
>>64205482
We need autists with RF equipment to know the real RCS of stealth planes.
If they aren't caught by the NSA, CIA, FBI, or even worse, the FCC
Anonymous No.64205752 >>64205782
>>64205703
>Turns the topic of TVC in energy management into stealth
>Asks for evidence when everyone knows it's a fact even despite evidence being classified. Every single stackexchange, F-16 forum, Credibledefense thread is your friend.
I genuinely don't know anyone anon. It's all so tiresome trying to reason with you.
Anonymous No.64205782 >>64205786
>>64205752
You're the one who kept moving the goalpost. You're also the one who went
>How do you think you know any of this shit? It's all classified!
then immediately pulled some obviously classified bullshit like actual RCS values.
Stay in school, kid. And remember, TVC is completely useless in anything related to stealth, unlike what you previously believed and got BTFO in a previous thread.
>inb4 it wasn't me
don't care, you're now him.
Anonymous No.64205786 >>64205792
>>64205782
Actual schizoposting
Anonymous No.64205792
>>64205786
>no argument
Anonymous No.64205895
>>64201850
That's cool. I am the CEO of Lockheed
Anonymous No.64205968 >>64205974
>>64204355
>Abysmal range, unreliable guns, choked to death in neg G
better range than the Bf109, more guns, and the Hispano Mk2 eventually solved that problem and went on to dominate the entire fucking fighter world
hard mode: name one better fighter around the world when the Spitfire was raping 109s during the BOB (you can't)

>Subsonic frontline strike aircraft with no missiles, radar or countermeasures in the age of gen 3 supersonics with fairly advanced missiles, multirole capabilities and even first gen laser guided munitions like on the Phantom or Intruder
Harrier GR.3 got all the shooty stuff within 5 years of the Intruder; subsonic performance was an accepted limitation for its light carrier role, and it received radar-guided missiles before any of its NATO strike peers such as the fucking F-16
there isn't much point comparing the Harrier to the F-14 and F-15 because it was never designed to match those fighters
Anonymous No.64205974 >>64206051
>>64205968
Nice fanfic
Me-109 vs. Hurricane: 153 Me-109s destroyed vs. 272 Hurricanes destroyed is a kill ratio of 1.78-1 in favor of the Me-109.
Me-109 vs. Spitfire: 180 Me-109s destroyed vs. 219 Spitfires destroyed is a kill ratio of 1.22-1 in favor of the Me-109.
Me-109 vs. both: 333 Me-109s destroyed vs. 491 Spitfires Hurricanes destroyed is a kill ratio of 1.47-1 in favor of the Me-109.
Anonymous No.64206051 >>64209620
>>64205974
>Nice fanfic
Nice goalpost shifting

what's this, Battle of Britain? you know very well the RAF was directed to concentrate on the bombers
Anonymous No.64209577
Bump
Anonymous No.64209620
>>64206051
>Spitfire was raping 109s during the BOB
Hello?
Anonymous No.64209726
>>64191917
>Germany, Sweden
Outdated tech and industries that have been fading out for a long time. No money to invest in either.
>Spain
A complete non-player.
Anonymous No.64209753 >>64209762 >>64209812
>>64204229
Brits are fr bad at aerodynamics
Anonymous No.64209762 >>64209765 >>64209772
>>64209753
Then it's a good thing they've got Japan who has been doing airframe wind tunnel testing for around a decade for this exact program.
Anonymous No.64209765
>>64209762
The GCAP really has the best from 'not america'
Anonymous No.64209772 >>64209798 >>64209803 >>64209896
>>64209762
Only Italy is good at aerodynamics of the 3 because they make trainer jets. I honestly don’t even know what Japan is good at other than software maybe.
Anonymous No.64209798 >>64209811
>>64209772
Japan literally already made a flying 5th gen demonstrator, don't be retarded.
Anonymous No.64209803 >>64209811
>>64209772
Japan made the F-2 which is an F-16 but better and put the first AESA radar in it but BAE might be better at radars nowadays
Anonymous No.64209811 >>64209840 >>64209948
>>64209798
Calling your F-15 bodykit 5th gen won’t make it 5th gen. In fact it doesn’t look 5th gen at all, more like a 4.5th gen.
>>64209803
The was over 2 decades ago tho. I also wouldn’t call it better since other than size it’s not much different let alone more advanced. It’s like saying the GTR or LFA are still the best cars.
Anonymous No.64209812 >>64209834
>>64209753
>Source: Dude trust me.
Anonymous No.64209834 >>64209939
>>64209812
Look at their domestic hawk replacement. Shit looks so dogshit it’s wild despite CFD existing. Hell even the British GCAP models look like from the 50s. The last good British designer was Sidney Camm with his Hunter.
Anonymous No.64209840 >>64209854 >>64209861 >>64209871
>>64209811
Hello gookshill anon. The KF-21 isn't even a 4th gen
Anonymous No.64209854 >>64209861 >>64209871
>>64209840
The KF-21 is also just a F-18 with a bodykit. Same with the Chinese and their plywood 6th gens.
Anonymous No.64209861 >>64209871 >>64209876
>>64209840
Damn I knew it when reading "F-15 bodykit 5th gen".
He somehow always gets mad at the X-2 and anything Japan related.
>>64209854
More like a KAAN in a bodykit lol.
Anonymous No.64209871 >>64209888 >>64209908
>>64209861
>>64209840
>>64209854
The KF-21's smooth development and flights tests are legendary feats.
This is the third high ranking foreign official to have flown on the KF-21 and the second time from the UAE. The "rumors" of the UAE purchasing the KF-21 no longer sound like rumors.
Further proof that the KF-21 is a successful project and that the first serial production is mere months away.
Anonymous No.64209876
>>64209861
The KAAN is a mishmash of the Su-57 when turkey worked with Russia and F-22.
Anonymous No.64209888
>>64209871
You can at least not type like a fucking Pyongyang official
Anonymous No.64209896
>>64209772
nigga we make subsonic trainers, their aerodynamics aren't suited to the GCAP which will fly high and fast.
Anonymous No.64209908
>>64209871
>The KF-21's smooth development and flights tests are legendary feats.
>This is the third high ranking foreign official to have flown on the KF-21 and the second time from the UAE. The "rumors" of the UAE purchasing the KF-21 no longer sound like rumors.
>Further proof that the KF-21 is a successful project and that the first serial production is mere months away.
Anonymous No.64209939 >>64209969 >>64210217
>>64209834
You mean this thing? What's wrong with it?
Anonymous No.64209948
>>64209811
The X-2 is in no way an "f-15 body kit" you made the same argument before and it's just as retarded now as it was then.
Anonymous No.64209969 >>64209975 >>64210217
>>64209939
Bro just compare it to the MB 346, T-7 or even the Turkish Hurjet. This shit is cooked, Brits should really just keep making engines.
Anonymous No.64209975 >>64209998 >>64210391
>>64209969
Nah faggpt, actually make a real point. What is actually wrong with it?
Anonymous No.64209998
>>64209975
And of course he doesn't answer because the answer is "It's British and so I'm going to hate on it no matter what because I'm a faggot".
Anonymous No.64210173 >>64211818
>>64204204
NOOOOOOO!!! F22 >>>> F35
F22 literally looks like it was built by nigger slaves in some cave, look at those plates kek
Anonymous No.64210217
>>64209939
>>64209969
NTA, The Aeralis concept isn't even anymore that. They've moved from a M-346 lookalike to a design that is basically the old Hawk but modular where you can change wing type etc. The biggest problem isn't in the jet itself, but is that Aeralis never made an aircraft before. If it's going to be good or not it's all up for speculation at the moment.
Anonymous No.64210391 >>64210922
>>64209975
The problem is that it looks like a mondernized, blocky Hawk, which in itself was a mid trainer with dogshit aerodynamics.
Anonymous No.64210922 >>64211430 >>64214777
>>64210391
>dogshit aerodynamics.
You keep saying this but you haven't actually offered any tangible, validated proof to back it up. And I mean something beyond "I don't like the way this looks", "it came to me in a dream", or "a drunk, brain damaged Mongolian beggar said this to me so it must be true".
Anonymous No.64211430
>>64210922
He claims it's self-evident and only a retard wouldn't be able to tell.

We've gone down this route with him before.
Anonymous No.64211818 >>64214011 >>64219879
>>64210173
everything we build is better than what you build and everything you build is actually assembly based on what we built for you to build something out of.

including this entire website you post on.

you are not welcome. you were. but not anymore.

good luck.
Anonymous No.64214011
>>64211818
>american education and inferiority complex
lmao
Anonymous No.64214104
>>64192748
>90% of the current operational Royal Navy in one picture
Sad times for a once big navy.
Anonymous No.64214126 >>64214302
>>64195738
As it once was 111 years ago, as it should have always been.
>>64204229
Nothing when its ships, boats, submarines, tanks, F1 cars, civilian planes, and a lot more, it just tends to be talked down because of the car industry shitting the bed. That was more a result of the post-war government using all of Marshall Aid to make the NHS rather than updating and modernising industry like every other country who got it so cars were being made on 50 year old production lines which made the Soviet imports more attractive to buy than a lot of British made cars.
Anonymous No.64214162 >>64214198
Germany could've had it so easy, we could've made the axis of plane development. Who the fuck thought it was a good idea to cozy up to the people most known for
>NO THAT'S MY PROJECT, I NEED IT TO FIT ARBITRARY FRENCH SPECIFICATIONS ELSE I WON'T DEVELOP IT
and the Spaniards who... No idea what they do honestly.
Rheinmetall cheated on Leonardo and Dassault fucked everything up like this was some high school teen drama.
Anonymous No.64214198
>>64214162
Germany cucked themselves out of any other partners after they blocked sales of the Typhoon and continues to block it because of the coalition partners to its governments, you just can't trust Germany as part of your military hardware production line.
Anonymous No.64214302 >>64214333
>>64214126
you're not wrong, in general, but
>Marshall Aid
the yanks stiffed us and you know it
Anonymous No.64214332
>>64192748
I see you anon, good post.
Anonymous No.64214333
>>64214302
Britain recieved the most Marshall Aid of any nation, it was just wasted on creating the welfare state and on colonies they knew they were going to lose. If it weren't for successor governments it would be the most destructive and damaging government the country has had.
Anonymous No.64214777 >>64214856
>>64210922
Brother if the Hawk was any good in terms of aerodynamics it would’ve been copied by other. Meanwhile all new trainer jets on the market look the opposite of it. Again look at the Boeing/Saab T-7, MB 346, Hurjet, Yak 130, J-15 or w/e the Chinese one is called. All of these were made with CFD simulations and aerodynamics in mind. It also doesn’t help that the Hawk is almost 60 years old by now.
Anonymous No.64214856 >>64214891
>>64214777
>subsonic jet trainers from the 1970s
>compared to jet trainers with focus on turning them into LCAs from the 2000s, of which 3 are supersonic
There is nothing wrong with the Hawk's aerodinamycs for its time period and its intended use. And the sales records speak for themselves. It would be like trying to say the MB-339 is shit because the M-346 is better. The intended use, enviroment and material/aerodynamic science changed a lot since then, it's obvious that things are going to improve. If you want to stay in the "subsonic single engine trainer" the design will always look similar to either the Hawk, the MB-339 or the L-39. If you want a subsonic 2 engines then you'll have a design similar to the M-346 and if you want to go supersonic then you'll always have something similar to the F-16/f-18 (T-7,Hurjet,FA-50)
Anonymous No.64214891 >>64215306
>>64214856
>subsonic jet trainers from the 1970s
>compared to jet trainers with focus on turning them into LCAs from the 2000s, of which 3 are supersonic
Congrats, you can read. The MB-346 also ain’t supersonic yet doesn’t look anything like the Hawk. As mentioned before no modern jet even when subsonic looks like the Hawk and sales don’t mean much when there is no alternative to it and as soon as it did, most people jumping the ship is also not a telltale sign. Also since you’re agreeing with me, why does the AERALIS clearly take inspiration from the Hawk despite said aerodynamics being outdated and dogshit when modern trainer jets as mentioned before have been designed with CFDs, hence why they don’t look like the Hawk at all. I know Brits have a strong national identity but going with old stuff because it’s British sounds retarded.
Also as a matter of fact the MB-346 could easily be supersonic with altercations to the wings and engines.
Anonymous No.64215306 >>64219371 >>64219468 >>64219776
>>64214891
>The MB-346 also ain’t supersonic yet doesn’t look anything like the Hawk.
Maybe because the M-346 (there is no B in M-346, Bazzocchi has been dead for a good while) is a twin engine, quadruplex FBW advanced jet trainer/LCA developed almost 40 years after the Hawk, for a different purpose and enviroment?
>As mentioned before no modern jet even when subsonic looks like the Hawk
No modern fighter looks like the Bf 109 as well, does that mean it was a shit design?
>sales don’t mean much when there is no alternative to it and as soon as it did
What are the L-39, T-38, MB-326 etc which all competed roughly in the same years?
>why does the AERALIS clearly take inspiration from the Hawk
For the same reason the M-346 vstab looks like the Eurofighter's and Tornado's. When you have engineers that have worked on a project they will bring their expertise and what they have learned in their future projects as well.
Not to mention that Aeralis still hasn't shown a real serious mockup for their next trainer, so speculating on a bunch of CGI images is just disingenuous.
>aerodynamics being outdated and dogshit
They are outdated, yes. Dogshit? That's just your opinion, as they worked perfectly fine for the Hawk.
>Also as a matter of fact the MB-346 could easily be supersonic with altercations to the wings and engines.
The M-346 can already go supersonic to 1.15 Mach in a slight dive, the only thing they would need to change are are the engines as the air intake, internal dimensions etc are already 30% oversized precisely because they too future expansions in mind. The wings were remodelled to blend into the fuselage for improved span loading and reinforced to already be able to go past mach 1.6 easily without any change to their structure. The current mach 1.15 Vne is due to them having tested the plane to that speed.
Now to get back on topic, do you even have any concrete example of what is wrong with the Hawk design/aerodynamics?
Anonymous No.64219371
>>64215306
you schooled him
Anonymous No.64219391
>>64192752
>germany relegated to gripen like jet
it would be hilarious.
Anonymous No.64219432
>>64189909 (OP)
>6th gen
we'd be in 8th gen by now if manned jets were in anyway relevant
Anonymous No.64219468 >>64219476 >>64219479 >>64222923
>>64215306
>a real serious mockup for their next trainer
https://aeralis.com/2025/02/14/aeralis-ccf-model-goes-on-show-at-aerospace-bristol/
Anonymous No.64219476 >>64219482
>>64219468
I highly doubt they'll actually keep the whole "wing swap" meme. It's just a waste of money.
Anonymous No.64219479
>>64219468
NAYRT but nobody takes Aeralis seriously bro
Anonymous No.64219482 >>64219745
>>64219476
The entire plane is modular. You can swap the wings and even have 2 engines.
Anonymous No.64219745 >>64220292
>>64219482
That seems like just a gimmick to attrack potential investors. It would never make sense economically. In the past they ordered hundreds of trainers, now even countries like the UK are looking at 24/6/6 procurements. The economy of scale and the actual need just isn't there.
Anonymous No.64219776 >>64219870
>>64215306
> Maybe because the M-346 (there is no B in M-346, Bazzocchi has been dead for a good while) is a twin engine, quadruplex FBW advanced jet trainer/LCA developed almost 40 years after the Hawk, for a different purpose and enviroment?
Well just as mentioned before, it’s obviously newer jet still doesn’t take any nicks from its design.
> No modern fighter looks like the Bf 109 as well, does that mean it was a shit design?
Yes it was lol, it’s common knowledge the 109 was mostly carried by its engine and that Messerschmitt was a hack.
> What are the L-39, T-38, MB-326 etc which all competed roughly in the same years?
L-39 was eastern block, T-38 was just a F-5 and the 326 was just too big to be comparable.
> For the same reason the M-346 vstab looks like the Eurofighter's and Tornado's. When you have engineers that have worked on a project they will bring their expertise and what they have learned in their future projects as well.
Not to mention that Aeralis still hasn't shown a real serious mockup for their next trainer, so speculating on a bunch of CGI images is just disingenuous.
346 tail doesn’t look anything like the EF/Tornado. They also literally have mockups of the trainers and even then those CGI pics were released by AERALIS themselves. The design is set in stone.
> They are outdated, yes. Dogshit? That's just your opinion, as they worked perfectly fine for the Hawk.
They didn’t, that’s the point. Aside from engines the Hawk has always been rather sluggish for a trainer.
>Now to get back on topic, do you even have any concrete example of what is wrong with the Hawk design/aerodynamics?
The fact that it go outmaneuvered by heavier trainers like the Alpha jet, which was far from good design to begin with, should tell a tale.
Anonymous No.64219870
>>64219776
>it’s obviously newer jet still doesn’t take any nicks from its design.
what?
>326 was just too big to be comparable
The hawk is literally bigger and heavier beside wingspan due to the tip pylons
>346 tail doesn’t look anything like the EF/Tornado
Personally I can see the resemblance, in one of the books about the M-346 they even stated the similar look was literally due to the same engineers that have worked on the Tornado being on the team. The position of the BAH exchanger is a good indicator.
>They also literally have mockups of the trainers and even then those CGI pics were released by AERALIS themselves. The design is set in stone.
We'll see, I have never saw a production military jet being the exact same as its early mockups.
>Aside from engines the Hawk has always been rather sluggish for a trainer.
How can you claim that "aside from the engines", which are what would usually be the main cause for a jet to be sluggish it being sluggish?
>The fact that it go outmaneuvered by heavier trainers like the Alpha jet
Anon, the Apha jet ever so slightly beats the Hawk in top speed at altitude due to its low aspect ratio, thin airfoil, long chord, etc, but in regards to being outmanouvered the Hawk and other trainers like the MB-339 all (relatively) outclass it, especially at lower speeds where less swept wings are better at retaining energy in a turn.
Anonymous No.64219879
>>64211818
What the fuck are you talking about schizo, you didn't build shit. You are just some balding fat ugly bastardized piece of shit and you probably have piss on your mouth.
Anonymous No.64220292 >>64220711 >>64220795
>>64219745
With regards to the modularity, it allows you to set up the jet to replicate the plane you are training to move on to. You can take the cockpit out like a lego block and slot in another with different controls (or even have it be unmanned). The rest of the jet as well you can tweak to match wing type, engine configuration, and so on. Also means they are quickly convertible into combat jets if the need arises.
Anonymous No.64220711
>>64220292
I still feel like it's unnecessary. If they want to have a trainer that can mimick frontline fighters they could go the way of the M-346 with the instructor being able to restrict or open the flight envelope via the FBW.
The different cockpit configurations wouldn't really matter when you see that all the latest RFIs for jet trainers request a single LAD and never mention stick position since it's easy to transition from center to side stick and definetly not worth the money required in development, production line etc for such a niche application.
>The rest of the jet as well you can tweak to match wing type, engine configuration, and so on.
I can see that only being useful if they are looking to make it into a drone/adjunct for the GCAP where a straight wing would be preferable.
Anonymous No.64220795 >>64221436
>>64220292
>With regards to the modularity, it allows you to set up the jet to replicate the plane you are training to move on to
hasn't been relevant for some time
NATO pilots now go from learning to fly jets to learning to dogfight and drop bombs to learning to do that in a particular model of fighter in a digital simulator and then they're ready for the real fighter itself

new trainers are only needed to fulfil the first two stages of the above process. nobody cares anymore about trainer jets' ability to replicate the performance of a particular fighter, the key requirement is ability to replicate its sensor and weapon systems JUST ENOUGH for training purposes. for cockpit and performance familiarisation etc, simulators are good enough
Anonymous No.64221436 >>64221445 >>64224605
>>64220795
>NATO pilots now go from learning to fly jets to learning to dogfight and drop bombs to learning to do that in a particular model of fighter in a digital simulator and then they're ready for the real fighter itself
No, all NATO AFs follow the standardization of training and use similar syllabuses.
For pilots who will fly in frontline fighters they all have to complete Phase 4 LIFT.
It can have up to 1:1 simulated flight hours but they still fly in advanced jet trainers. BFM and other tactics are learnt before phase 4. And even after you get your military pilot license you're still going to a OCU where depending on your jet you'll still be in a 2 seater.
>new trainers are only needed to fulfil the first two stages of the above process
no, those are fulfilled by basic trainers like the Texan T6
>the key requirement is ability to replicate its sensor and weapon systems
yeah, but air forces are still requiring actual jets for those trainers. The only exception to that rule would be Switzerland who said they will be fine with a mix of PC-21s and sending their pilots abroad to train.
Anonymous No.64221445
>>64221436
You'd think everyone would know this by just watching a single video on the NATO yt channel about it
Anonymous No.64222923
>>64219468
lol
Anonymous No.64224605 >>64224618
>>64221436
>2 seater

who still uses 2-seater trainers for OCU in this day and age?
Anonymous No.64224618
>>64224605
Everyone. The only exception is for the F-35 and F-22.