Thread 64195279

What does /k/ think of the Polish border fortifications in the east?

>>64195279 (OP)
Welcome to 1919.

>>64195279 (OP)
Wrong lessons learned, fortifications need to be mostly underground with proper reinforcement. That wire fencing isn't going to do shit.

The wooden supports will likely deteriorate quickly.
Is this a temporary mockup?

>>64195279 (OP)
Pointless shit. If the investments they've made into artillery and ISR are even half as good as they're supposed to be, any oncoming threats will be smoking wrecks long before fags in trenches even get a visual on them. But I guess you have to keep people busy even when they've been rendered redundant by the tribulations of time, so you have them do this pantomime. Imagine being infantry in the current year, just fucking imagine it lol.

>>64195279 (OP)
Kalibr target practice))))))))))))))))))))))))))

>>64195299
Wouldn't the wire fencing be placement for future above head fortifications like in the back over there? This entire picture screams 'lets figure it out now so we don't have to later'

>>64195279 (OP) (OP)
They sure trust a lot in the NATO jämmers and cUAS

>>64195383
Placement for what? Where's the supporting structure? What's going to hold up the weight of the dirt you need to shovel on top of it?

Im polish and I think its retarded as fuck

Unless its for some training, but still, those anti drone nets are cretinic.

>>64195322
the wooden supports are only holding up chicken wire. The structural part is concrete

>>64195436
Look in the back part of the picture, that concrete roof going over the trench.

>>64195279 (OP)
Seems a fine start if that covered structure at the back is supposed to cover the whole fortification.
Wont protect much against direct artillery hits, but should provide enough protection against drone dropped grenades. Plant some bushes, trees and such after the line has been covered for some extra visual protection.

>>64195509
>Plant some bushes, trees and such after the line has been covered for some extra visual protection.
Turn it into a dual-use botanical garden

>>64195299
All trenches need at least some overhead protection.
Chicken wire + some netting/concealement is the light and quick version of a trench.

Wygląda chujowo.

>>64195279 (OP)
Isn't Russia collapsing against a third rate non NATO country with Ukraine? Why even waste money on rearming if they're getting wrecked and won't be ready to invade again for decades?

>>64195699
They're destroying their future, but any sovereign country has a lot of resources to burn before total collapse. If russia doesn't collapse politically they have decades more in resources and misery to keep being violent retards.

>>64195279 (OP)
I think they need to build more.
Mine factories must work overtime.

>>64195699
disingenuous ziggerpost, but if Russia's economy absolutely needs to be at war to function right now. If it's allowed to pause the war and rebuild for even a year or so, it could attempt another chimpout and kill a lot of civilians in Poland or the Baltics. Unlike ziggers, white people care about their own countrymen dying so it's better to prepare just in case

>>64195699
Russia collapsed many times before. Malignancy runs in their blood.

>>64195279 (OP)
Needs more concertina wire

>>64195279 (OP)
there won't be a ground war if NATO is involved

>>64195279 (OP)
No parapet
No fire step
sheep wire far too close to the trench to be of any use for drones
your rifle will become entangled in that sheep wire in less than a minute
I hope there's fucking duckboard at the bottom of the trench
gigantic concrete slabs make it impossible to repair if an artillery round lands nearby

Come on, we know how to do that for more than a century, minus the drone part, this is a joke

>>64195741
Oh I forgot that, add it to the list : >>64195750, you are right, anyone can approach and lob grenades in the trench

This is "14yo made a WWI trench in his parents backyard" summer project.

>>64195750
>Rat
Tell me more about this

>>64195789
Saddam's pet rat.

>>64195789
it's still a problem in Ukraine, they seek warmth and food (not only the crumbles any soldier will drop, I let yo uguess what else they eat)

>>64195279 (OP)
>even the trenches have cope cages

>>64195750
That's a fire trench, the ones on the photo are basic communication trenches.

>>64195811
every trench becomes a fire trench, but OK, that just solves a third of the problems

>>64195789
Saddam is hiding inside it

>>64195750
No Saddam

Panther-Wotan Line was stronger than that

>>64195279 (OP)
PR bull.
This is what the real stuff looks like.

>>64197626
Stalker/5

>>64195789
Well you're not gonna masturbate the whole war, are you?

>>64195296
>>64195279 (OP)
>>64195322
>>64195334
>>64195363
This would unironically completely blunt an entire VDV division with massive casualties to the attacker, based on what we have seen of Russian capabilities. The burning Russian convoys of Kiev faced no prepared defenses at all and were annihilated and sent retreating after a few days.

Moreover based on Russian capabilities, they would eventually capture this trench but it would take around 16 months of daily human wave attacks and 50,000 casualties, capturing it only after the poles have run out of ammunition.

>>64195279 (OP)
This is for training

>>64195279 (OP)
After the way things have played out I wonder if these guys think they overprepared.

>>64195789

Even in 2552 they will not have solved the rat problem

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mT5GZY6UboE

>>64195279 (OP)
Horrible. They need german blockhouse fortresses.

Russia cannot achieve nor air superiority nor mobility so a Maginot line fortification will unironically be efficient there

>>64199287
>all those guns facing west
>only one facing east
were the french stupid, or did they expect the germans to go around it?

>>64199316
We had "troupes d'intervalle" troops positioned between the main fortifications in trenches to forbid the germans to go around. The higher command ordered these troops to fall back as soon as the germans were attacking, leaving the main forts alone.

>>64195279 (OP)
They arent prepared for being stabbed in the back by the reformed Wehrm... Bundesheer.

>>64195334
Infantry is still the ones making gains on the ground, in Ukraine too. There is no level of firepower that can completely render infantry operations impossible. See for example Gaza.

>>64195279 (OP)
Can't see anything preventing the concrete panels to collapse into the trench, you definitely want that if the trenches should provide protection against artillery fire.

>>64199430
could either be a U-shape, or two L-shapes pointed outwards, the L-shapes are pretty popular everywhere in poland and easy to acquire
t.polak

>>64199430
this is one of the biggest failure of this "design" : it is impossible to repair the trench so people can still use it to move if an arty round lands there, you'll have big pieces of concrete impossible to move, entangled on the bent rebar impossible to cut by what a soldier usually carry : a shovel

In Eastern Europe and Russia, trenches will likely need to be prepared for the muddy season.

>>64195299
>That wire fencing isn't going to do shit.
It will against infantry pidors going on foot, pidors on scooters, donkeys and so on. It's 2025 honey, get with the program.

The fact the west won't just give Ukraine enough missiles and intel to blow up Russia's oil infrastructure, forcing ukies to jury-rig their own drones for that means the situation isn't serious enough.
Bullshit war, probably. They don't want Ukraine anywhere near western world, but also don't want them to align with Russia, so they let that shit happen and get the opportunity to plunder the country for all it's worth.

>>64199480
Wouldnt Russians mounted on Mules technically count as Dragoons and not Infantry?

>>64199502
They are using mules for moving stuff, not infantry, so no.

>>64199495
>The fact the west
because it's in the west's best interest to stall this for as long as possible so russia loses as much shit as possible and loses credibility and political power on the world stage?

>>64195699
vatnikstan is arrogantly buying rope to hang itself. but they can still do a lot of damage before their imperial shitpile implodes for a third time in a hundred years. its obvious monke in particular in his seething hatred and contempt is determined to either occupy the european parts of the zigger union again. or cause as much damage to them as possible if he cant physically get them

they have gone as far as leave the caucasus to turkey and central asia to china (for now). while turning a blind eye to changs creeping into siberia. that is how all in they have gone with this imperial occupation thing

>>64199516
At this point they're just making China richer.

>>64195789
I wouldn't worry-fret about it

>>64199794
this post is pretty suspicious-suspicious....

>>64199853
I agree-concur with you

>>64199794
>>64199853
>>64199873

>>64199480
>pidors going on foot, pidors on scooters, donkeys
We three kings of Orient are...

>>64195279 (OP)
No top cover in the year 2025 is fucking retarded. Shells from FPV bombers will drop right through the concertina wire, and if the enemy jumps in, congrats they've turned your own fortification against you. Bunkers are the way

https://en.defence-ua.com/weapon_and_tech/france_3d_prints_bunkers_germany_builds_trenches_like_lego_in_fortification_tech_push-15091.html

>>64199820
Nah. Russia is bound to collapse the moment Putin dies.

I guess no one told these retards they now work for international corporations ever since their (((leaders))) sold their entire shithole "country" to globohomoists.

Typical poolaks, always late to catch on.

>>64200176
>poolaks
And you're late to catch on to the beautiful idea that is Poland, a very noble and beautiful idea.

P.S. No wonder a barbarian Germniggerkike like you hates it. Germs and kikes are alike after all.

>>64197626
I never knew the forts and shacks me and my friends built in the forest from spare planks and pallets when we were 10 were military grade fortifications

Lazy. We do it better. Salpa line v2 totalen krieg! will not only protect against drones but gives full coverage against direct 152mm blasts too. Airproof hatches will make our innumerable bunkers resistant to thermobarics and napalm saturation.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DkQORseXb8U

>>64201837
We will dig down and burrow in like moles. Finland is made of granite and can withstand nuclear blasts. We will strike from anywhere, in front of you, behind you, under you. We will never give up. You will see only what we let you see. This will be worse than Vietnam.

>>64195279 (OP)
Looks like it'll stop the ziggers for a couple weeks and kill several thousand of them.

I mean, the bit we're seeing in the pic.

>>64195279 (OP)
> in the east
They are bulding them on wrong side.

>>64195299
I think the wire fencing is to prevent FPV drones from flying into the covered sections of the fortification.

>>64195750
>no military issued cat

>>64195789
It's like roomba that doesn't require charging, just with a higher chance of giving you salmonella.

>>64197839
Everyone knows that the easiest way to defend against the VDV is to create a deep artificial lake for them to yeet themselves into

>>64202324
that's a stupid waste of resources. what you do is get a large crate, prop it up with a stick, and place a bottle of vodka under it. also poison the vodka.

>>64202324
>artificial lake
We have lakes aplenty

>>64195279 (OP)
anything is better than nothing but what's a woman doing there

Poles are facing significant mass of Russian armour so should use tank turrets. All junk tank of Europe go to Poland.

Use tank turret to cover trenches and suddenly both guided and barrage are required for the enemy to advance. Very high entry cost for minimal gain, so these are often in depth defences you'd use on the polish border.

The munitions in the tank turret can also be deployed rapidly as mines if abandoning the position, and the tank turret is pretty SFL proof because the entrance is usual a crawl tunnel. They're also easy to make gas proof.

The other wierd thing about tank turrets is that no part of them is critical. Without the main gun they become a pillbox. Without the gears they become a fixed canon, without crew they become a decoy. It's very hard to assess if a hit to a tank turret actually took it out.

>>64195279 (OP)
Is this and Polish military procurement part of the nakedly corrupt soviet boomers still in charge or what? I need an explainer

>>64204779
It's a simple communication trench between positions.

>>64195279 (OP)
What is this supposed to be for?
If it's just to look good it's perfect for PR.
If it's to give a stumbling block to the most retarded possible 2020s era Russia it'll work quite well.
If it's long-term thinking for once Putin dies and Russia goes into 10 years of civil strife before becoming an drunken raging islamic caliphate, that shit ain't gonna fly. Trenches won't be worth shit in 10+ years, you either need to be completely underground with quick exit points, or just commit to always being on land and always being hyper mobile.

>>64195279 (OP)
/k/ "thinks" that those goyim are far too alive and white for their liking.

>>64205670
Literally read the post above.

>>64195711
>sovereign country
>has to buy wectern lathes and tools
>strips washing machines of electronics
Lol lmao

>>64195699
Russia is, and has always been, the nation-state equivalent of a raving psychotic drunk armed with a broken vodka bottle and a dozen frag grenades that may or may not work. You want to keep him as far away from you as possible, because he simply isn't a rational actor. Best case scenario, he blows himself up in a ditch somewhere, or at least his legs. Worst case scenario, he blows up a kindergarten and then goes on a stabbing spree in the nearby shopping mall before he eventually trips on his shoelaces and stabs himself in the throat. If you can minimize the risk of collateral damage at the hands of a raving schizo with a history of brutality that is up there with Genghis Khan, you fucking do it. Poland knows this better than most.

>>64195279 (OP)
Why are they so sad? Looks like the lady yelled at them
>no horsing around the trenches until you've done your homework boys

>>64209215
If you own slaves, I mean, if you have a population and you own by law the resources and the law then you have sovereign. Even if you depend on imports.
They can do and they will do damage. Only a retard would wait unprepared.

>>64199431
>U-shape
Doesn't look like that to me
>two L-shapes pointed outwards
That makes perfect sense, and would be self-supporting to a decent degree.

Still would feel safer with some steel L-beams or wooden poles with overhead bracing.

>>64202462
sometimes i envy all the other countries in europe that haven't poldered all their lakes

>>64195750
Here's an improvement idea, don't install the rat

>>64210755
Rat comes complimentary.

>>64195279 (OP)
>the Polish border fortifications in the east?
Already? Damn, ukraine must be running out of hohols fast.

>>64195299
>That wire fencing isn't going to do shit.
You've never had to deal with it.

>>64195279 (OP)
This is for trench warfare training
The Polish border fortifications will look like picrel

>>64195334
They are fighting Russia not the USA or China

>>64210830
Needs to include doctrine to have war cats to control rat population

>>64200479
Funny that a polak would throw the first jew stone.

>>64212175
Terriers, catfag.

>>64195750
How important is the Rat to the trench's defensive ability

>>64195699
A cornered and bleeding out pig is still dangerous.
It's not a question of if Russia could be stopped if they attempted a final chimpout, they can, it's a question of "how many civilians will you let them reach before they are exterminated".
And the preferred number is zero.

>>64199521
Crazy how this explosion isn't even 1/10th the power of a basic bitch nuclear warhead. Shame that nobody has the balls to throw their arsenal of glowing fun times at Russia.

>>64212506
Poles (and French) were planning Jew expulsions before the Nazis.
Jewish Madagascar was a French idea.

>>64202462
Jeziorak, my beloved.

>>64199316
You are aware that fortifications are meant to not work well when facing the opposite direction incase they are taken, right?

its literally designed to be bad on the other side.

Will kaliningrad (Konigsberg) be given to lithuania, germany, or poland?

>>64214767
It's full of Russians, nobody wants it. Poland will be forced to take it to finally fix the borders
t. German

>>64200176
>>64212506
thanks for the insight kikeboy.

>>64214767
It will be given to the Hungarians as a punishment, but they would love it instead.

>>64214779
Isnt there also a significant volga german minority? anyways germany is already full of russians. whats a million more?
Although im biased because I really like Teutonic history.
>>64214786
Fair and just.

>>64214767
>kaliningrad
I'll take it. You're welcome

>>64204779
>soviet
Poland was NOT Soviet...
https://youtu.be/iUhAnHNc3kU

P.S. Poland was commie, yes.

>>64205744
go and stay go, stinky brown zigger.

>>64202324
>>64202346
VDV has smol pp

>>64214767
>implying it won't be Czech clay
Judging how neither the Germans nor Poles want it, Czechs will finally get sea access

Completely pointless projects the only goal of which being putting taxpayer money into Jewish pockets.

>>64214767
grant it independence and convince the Russians living there they're actually Prussian for the lulz

>>64214919
>Poland was NOT Soviet
the brass kinda was

>>64216304
Mostly in the 50-60s, but less later on.

>>64214767
>poland

Not a weapon. del

>>64216286
wrong board, nu/pol/ is down the hall and to the left

>>64216391
This thread does not belong on this board either, why don't you go back as well

>>64204779
It's part of a training course built in Wesoła near Warsaw. Pics are from a photoshoot for politicians to say "yo we are doing someting!" The OP is probably just baiting.

>>64216484
Fuck me... how many Jewish faces are there!

>>64200479
>falls for the most blatant zigger bait
>instantly starts ranting at krauts
Hi grotard, what's up?

>>64216777
Not much.

>>64212506
>Jews - "We are God’s chosen people" = Germs - "We are ubermensch" (superior human beings)
>Jews - "You goyim" (lesser animal souls) = Germs - "You untermensch" (lesser subhuman beings)
>Jews - "Our Jewish God promised land” (Eretz Israel) = Germs - "Our lebensraum" (living space)
>Jews - "Our Jewish tribal daddy God YHWH" = Germs - "Gott mitt uns!" (God is with us [Germs])
>Jews - “Tikkun olam” (Jews ‘repairing’ the world) = Germs - “Tausendjähriges Reich!” (Mitteleuropa)

>>64195279 (OP)
Building trenches without heavy camo cover if not actual reinforced concrete covers seem a fools errand in the day of cheap FPV drones saturating the battlefield. You're basically just building a huge target for drone operators to easily find vulnerable targets.

>>64216241
>giving to a country without a shared border
Might as well make it a Neo-Mongolian Khanate at that point.

spotted the fatal weakness in their defense systems

>>64199873
>>64199853

>>64199338
The war in the pacific should have made that abundantly clear. Weeks long bombardments of tiny little islands you can cross from end to end in an hour. Dozens of warships firing salvos with 16 inch guns day and night, along with bomber raida from multiple carriers. And still stiff resistance as soon as the landing parties hit the beach.

>>64216777
btw grotard is rusnigger. found out on /pol/ when he was using memeflag.

>>64216852
fuck off rusnigger faggot

>>64214672
BASED

>>64214672
śniardwy mogs jeziorak

>>64200097
quite the opposite. putin dies, war with ukraine stops, everyone start cleaning up the bullshit from delusional dictator. just like old germany.

>>64216362
kaliningrad needs to be releived from the oppressive nazi regime there.

>>64220134
>rusnigger
You really are a dumbnigger, aren't you?

>>64221301
anon, if you're not rusnigger, why are you posting on /pol/ with crusader memeflag?

>>64221308
Your commient makes zero sense.

>>64221338
you fit the MO of a guy who flips his shit whenever there's Poland-Germany related thread on /pol/

>>64220123
>btw grotard is rusnigger. found out on /pol/ when he was using memeflag.
this clown is a well known lolcow on /pol/ since at least a decade or so, he used to post under the swedish flag but when anons started to make fun of him for being a diaspora retard he switched to the templar memeflag

>>64221447
Brown neonazis are a phenomena i will never understand

>>64221342
Yep, I'm talking with a moron.

>>64195334
You need a secure perimeter to ensure no infiltration teams sneak over to those fancy artillery emplacements and load up their wrong ends with C4.

>>64210755
>>64212517
The rat is to eat the dead

>>64221447
Interesting, I've found him posting under the Russian flag.

>>64195456
^This
Who's to say the drone pilot won't just detonate whatever bomb an have it air burst shrapnel on your ass instead? I mean I guess that's a slightly better outcome but it's still shit. Just make a fuck ton of tunnels and lay minefields instead.

>>64197839
Is there any VDV left?

>>64222940
When you say "VDV", do you mean "highly trained airmobile/air assault specialists" or "soldiers in VDV units/uniforms"?

>>64195279 (OP)
>What does /k/ think of the Polish border fortifications in the east?

>>64221447
This 100%.

>>64223388
Looks like a regular MPK training event. Just reservists doing weekend training for fun.

>>64195279 (OP)
Seems like more could be done to camouflage it from the air.

>>64197626
uwaga
spadające elementy

>>64200097
I thought the same about apple
yet here we are

>>64223388
>no nocnik
obviously staged photo, army will never run out of indestructible steel

>>64221342
it is that guy, he's ashamed anons recognize him instantly

>>64214779
>It's full of Russians
Just evict them lmao.

>>64224845
Modern warfare is gay. You can't massacre people on conquered area or make them move away from there. If it was any point of history before now, you could do it.

>>64224851
>You can't massacre people on conquered area or make them move away from there.
Yet.
Just wait a tit for someone to make a precedent...

>>64224814
depends. i know about podlasiak who thinks westerners hate Poland, because it's me.

>>64221457
>Brown neonazis
???

>>64201837
The old Salpa bunkers should be some good against the drone threat too, just install some chicken wire on the front and you're left with no holes for drones to enter

>>64224814
Holy delulu.

>>64214231
I don't want that and I don't even want Russia to collapse
Both are likely to render a significant portion of the planet uninhabitable just because some Slavs had a 700-year-old grudge

>>64216777
Sup, not much.

>>64225158
Maxims would be so good in those.

>>64225166
are you seriously going to claim that >>64221301
and >>64216852 isn't the templar memeflaggot?

>>64225183
I don't think we have any in inventory but we have collectors who would probably be happy to assist

>>64225215
Yep, you're an idiot, I know.

>>64225262
why are you so ashamed that people recognize you?

>>64225278
Again, meds, you're beyond delulu without them.

>>64225282
My sides, you must really be peak autistic to not realize how much you stand out, my clown friend

>>64225404
what's worse is that he posts same shit over and over again.

>>64225477
exactly, and for a decade no less, which makes me think he either has a developmental disorder or the decade of /pol/ fried his brain