Thread 64196374

Vortex has a listing for a CCW and ST defender using RMSc and Deltapoint Pro footprints
Apparently, these aren't being made in Vortex's factory, they are using another source that makes products for companies like Cyelee and many others
They are supposed to be more or as reliable as current offerings from Holosun
What are your thoughts on this new, cheaper, possibly better enclosed Vortex?

>>64196374 (OP)
That it's bullshit they're charging this for a closed dot when they charged the same for the old open one.

>>64196374 (OP)
Vortex dots in the past have executed poorly. They have processed the worst refresh rates, battery lifes far below advertised, and suffer from relatively high parallax. That being said, their recent pistol dots SEEM to have addressed most of those issues. Ive had durability issues with their razor lpvos so Im unsure i could personally ever trust a vortex on a carry gun but these do seem promising. Im also just pretty uninterested from using any coin battery than cr2032s. All of my optics run off those or aa’s. If i was down to use CR1632s id stick to holosuns proven handgun dots

>>64196374 (OP)
>deltapoint pro footprint
What advantage does this have over RMR?

>>64196540
rcr*

>>64196618
They use the same footprint retard read the OP

>>64196639
one uses rmsc, the other uses deltapointpro

It’s always good to have more competition, but I think the holosun EPS Carry is still the best CCW dot on the market. It’s hard to beat

>>64197150
HTX is better if you're running a glock or care about muh back up irons

>>64196374 (OP)
i want to like vortex but i've had to send in my defender xl twice and its broken again (buttons randomly stop working unless i pop out the battery)
it's a nice dot when it works

>>64196540
DPP footprint is narrower allowing for it to be direct mounted to 1911 slides. The Staccato DPO optic plate footprint is a modified DPP footprint that uses the same screw pattern

IIRC it makes it easier for fit a battery

>>64196374 (OP)
RCR is $500 after rebate right now, just buy those instead.

>>64198968
>paying $500 to beam a dot onto a piece of glass

>>64198968
There is a reason it's on rebate, because it's overpriced garbage. Imagine investing in discounted, overpriced garbage that can't sell. Buyers are kicking themselves for paying the full price, and you will be too when it's rebated for $400 later.

>>64199474
Why is it garbage and what is best

>>64199796
buy literally anything else

>>64199796
most people buy the EPS

>>64199796
It is not great, but is a good optic and durability tests have shown it’s very durable befitting the RMR name.

The attachment method sucks. The deck height sucks, there is no battery in the bottom of the optic it does not need to be that tall. It is so tall some RMR height cowitness sights aren’t tall enough. The battery is now top mounted the bezel is super thick in the most important part (the top).

>>64201412
let's be fucking honest it's an ACRO but with a normal sized window, not as wide and SLIGHTLY better mounting
other enclosed red dots being made now are miles ahead and it's needlessly chonky, it might as well be a fucking mailbox, the holosun enclosed clone ones are much better

How are the actual Shield micro rds as well as the Zerotech

>>64198968
500 is stepping into holo territory, who the fuck buys a $500 dot?

>>64202361
The attachment method fucking sucks compared to an acro

>>64203131
we get it, you're gay and dumb

>>64196374 (OP)
I bought one three days ago from Amazon. The dot would disappear in the bottom 1/5" of the glass. I took the battery out and put it back in and it stopped working completely.
I'm certain it was the updated version since the manual said the auto-shutoff happens after 10 minutes vs the 14 hours it used to take.
Two hours ago I sent it back to Amazon.

>>64205946
>I bought one three days ago from Amazon
nigger what

>>64205946
They're not even out retard. You're talking about a different optic or making shit up.

>>64202361
What other enclosed pistol dots are now miles ahead? I thought for the longest time ACRO how the seat for being best?

>>64206074
he's just trying to shit on a product not even released

first off everyone knows the ccw has an issue the st and xl don't

also the door they copied from the deltapoint sucks, it is known

the new designs don't even use the same door so his point is moot

and according to op post, it won't even be made in the same place the other optics are made

just ignore the fudd, he probably broke the optic himself, how does changing the battery make it break

>>64205946
>battery cap sticking out blocking emitter because not properly screwed in all the way
>optic not working because battery cap not screwed in all the way
>blame the optic
what a fucking retard, opinion discarded

>>64196374 (OP)
I like the textured shell, it's like they know I'm going to rack my slide with my belt if i have to

>>64206049
>>64206074
Ah yes, I didn't see the enclosed part.
I was referring to the open emitter one. My mistake.
>>64206108
If the battery cover was blocking it, then it wouldn't display a dot on the upper 4/5. Changing the angle of view doesn't change the angle of the led. I was going to call you retarded, but I had the same thought at first which is what prompted me to replace the battery (multiple times). After that it stopped working.

>>64201412
designmogged by noguns chinese engineers

>>64209964
>If the battery cover was blocking it, then it wouldn't display a dot on the upper 4/5
You actually think the emitter is a fucking laser shooting a beam don't you?
Your one of those fucking morons with a towel or piece of paper on the mirror and something behind it, having your friend film at an extreme angle in disbelief how the mirror can 'see what's behind the towel'

>>64201412
That looks so fucking retarded on that gun.

>>64210270
I don't think it's user error. I think it's manufacturer error. I've heard of a lot of other cases, even on trijicons, where the purchaser had to send it back for this same problem and they got a new one without this issue.

>>64196374 (OP)
Will see. I bought a cylee for my glock but havent put it on yet. I might never. Its my home defense handy. I should probably put it on my 92xi but I shoot irons a lot and putting a sight on that 92 seems like a crime

>>64210264
You're a dumb fucking boomer, I shouldn't even bother
your glass is literally a mirror you dumbfuck, the 'size of the beam' or whatever doesn't matter
it's literally a light being reflected, look into the front of your optic at the emitter, make sure you don't fucking shoot yourself
then move your head around and note how you can see the emitter from many fucking angles, now put your thumb between your eye and the emitter so it's not covering the whole thing just blocking it from your eye
then move your head so your thumb isn't blocking it, and see if you can see the fucking emitter
light works the same way directly as it does in a mirror doesn't it?
Jesus

>>64210052
https://youtu.be/ZUitk_F5W6U?t=604
what does the RCR even do that this can not?

>>64210397
I get the impression you think it works like a holographic sight.
https://youtu.be/JyCxKS2Gz8s?si=okkNo8TGsjwQS540
Here's the exact issue I was having.
I'm certain that the battery cover was not the issue. The battery was seated properly and the cap was torqued down as far as I thought it could go without breaking it.
There's no need to get your panties in a wad over a problem someone ELSE had with some cheap chinese dot.

>>64196374 (OP)
desu I don't use pistol optics bc they cut into my belly ow ow ouchie
great for a nightstand gun with a can doe

>>64210459
then why are you moving the goalpost?
You acted like the battery cover being a little higher would block the entire optic
you sperged out with bullshit based around that
now that you realize your wrong and literally didn't understand how this item works
your fucking posting diagrams trying to apparently educate me, and pivoting to you think that wasn't the issue
you returned the item and your telling me you know the condition of something you don't have and didn't miss it, cope
lol, we are done talking, you can keep posting though

>>64210478
Was this you?
>>64206108
You are the one that blamed the battery cover.
I'm not moving the goalposts. I also thought it was the battery cover, then determined that it wasn't, then sent it back.
>you're a retard
>you're a dumb fucking boomer
>Jesus
>you sperged out
Ok. There's no point to this.

>>64210449
It's slightly more attractive. I asked Cyelee guy on reddit if they were ever going to move away from the weird animal motifs. He tells me yes, but then comes out with this shit.

>>64210264
fucking moron posting irrelevant google AI slop lmao

>>64210466
Why are you fat?

>>64198968
Thanks I got another p2

>>64210645
I don't know what the fuck animal motifs are or how they pertain to looks, but the hood is clearly functional. Did you watch the video where the guy was dropping it?
Also, the RCR is a fucking U shape top, it looks stupid, you just know it's popular, so your brain says it must not be fuck ugly.

>>64210651
he posted another picture where the emitter has a single beam, he unironically thinks it's a laser, and he literally posted a video where only part of the emitter is blocked, refuting his own dumbass, he is just too moronic to understand

>>64210668
Calm down, sugartits. I own 2 Cyelees and 0 Trijicons or Aimpoints. You have to admit that this looks fucking dumb.

I’ve enjoyed my ACRO P2 so far. If I was to swap to any other closed emitter it would probably be the Steiner MPS

>>64210709
ok but how is that related to a fucking animal?

>>64210744
Are you stupid? It's called the Wolf EDG, and they clearly copied the Witcher wolf medallion.

>>64210767
ok...

>>64210733
Same. I kinda miss how easy the dot on the SRO was but I don't miss constantly cleaning lube and sand out of the window

>>64210786
Just don't buy literally the smallest window optic on the market

>>64201412
>>64203131
>>64210264
>>64210270
>>64210301
god damn boomers