Thread 64197339

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NVG-and-nightcap edition.
Old: >>64170191

First for my gear is more drippy than yours.

>/gq/ infographics: https://imgur.com/a/gq-infographic-emporium-1-00-1lZ5xw6
>Older / other infographics: https://imgur.com/a/k-infographic-reserve-AIKzwWF

we doing night vision?

I like my Ronin belt

>>64197339 (OP)
Is there a better slim helmet light/strobe than this that is actually rechargeable?

These are perfect except for the fact that they can’t recharge

Ideally I’d like something that can at least do one vis color and IR

More drone shit. This is the darwinfpv cineape 25. It's an analog cinewhoop (larger than a whoop, intended to be the lightest external camera-carrying drone available) with a decent camera. The ducts protect the props and make it extremely durable for its size. It's the largest drone I'm capable of taking indoors, but it really takes a lot of skill to fly something this large in a normal house. I ordered it direct from the manufacturer on banggood or whatever that shady, temu-like site is. Took a month to get, but at 125 dollars (as opposed to the 250 it costs if you get it from a US retailer) it's by far the best handling and most durable cheap drone I've ever flown. It's a good choice for fellow larpers to get a capable, rugged drone that doesn't break the bank or look like a toy.

>>64197416
You can switch the battery out, but it requires cutting the plastic open and this ruins waterproofing.
The aliexpress ones are IMO cheap enough you can replace as you go.
>>64197436
Badass. Is it possible to rig a thermal cam to this? I'm thinking a real cheap, real light Armasight thermX or something similar. What's the practical weight limit?

>>64197465
They make thermals specifically for drones, like this axisflying 640, which you can find for around 200ish. I haven't tried one yet, but it'll probably be my next purchase after I buy my airweight. For the cineape, I've had my old gopro mounted to it, which i think weighed about 100 grams. It was fairly taxing on the drone's battery life and handling, but 100 grams is pretty fucking heavy for a 200ish gram drone. The cineape is intended to be used with the smaller external cams like the insta360s.

>>64197522
256x192 25fps is pretty low sensor-wise but not bad for aerial detection purposes. Theh 384 and 640 cost a lot more. Thanks!

Is this Hilo MOLLE Recon Chest Rig a good chest rig? Ticks all my boxes but not sure if there's any other options like it. A souped up TAPS rig with a lot of PALS webbing and hefty magazine storage by itself

https://midwestarmor.com/products/hilo-molle-recon-chest-rig/

Also where can I find some good chest rig harnesses to go with it? Sucks it's not included for the price. What style of harness should I get?

>>64197392
probably not. too many people don't have their priorities straight in this thread

>>64198482
How much did this thing cost with the FLIR(?) on top of dual tubes.

Alright lads. Trauma pads behind standalone plates for BFD reduction. Yes/no? It's 0.37lb / 0.25"

>>64198630
no

>>64198643
y

>>64198647
.25" of foam isn't doing anything but being hot.

>>64198659
so double it lol

>>64198664
more bulk and more heat. you're not going to make getting shot comfortable, so chasing after that is pointless.

What are the little padded seat things called that I see all the Ukranians wearing? I want one.

>>64198695
Sitting mat.

>>64198682
It sounds like he's going after the polyurethane AR500 trauma pads judging by the weight. These are marginal in every respect but are extremely cheap. Their "CLASSIFIED" Trauma+ pads are intergalactic meme tier.
If we're being generous BFD could drop by maybe 5-10%. Could help with magnum rifle calibers, dependent on armor, but I'm grasping.
If you really, really wanna reduce BFD you can take a page out of schelkovoschizo from last thread's book and rig Russian climatic amortization panels to your vest. These have the bonus of also providing ventilation.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/387984044182
These do allow otherwise very mediocre Granit plates to get BFD within very tight GOST specs, so there's an observable advantage. Is it worth the weight and thickness? Your call. Schelkovoschizo was insisting these are about 1.0".

>>64198695
Sitting mats / butt pads. Jinwudun sells a IIIA ballistic version.

>>64198728
How reliable is Jinwudun? I've seen the meme bulletproof skirt thing, but I've always just scrolled past and never actually went to the site. Now I see they have helmets and lbe's for decent prices.

>>64198743
They're getting a lot of traction lately since Militech is still being a little bitch with the $150 US shipping fee. I'll give you the pros and cons.

CONS:
1. No NIJ certifications. None.
2. They're Chinese.
3. They're rather thin on test reports even by Chinese standards.
4. Unlike Militech, they're also short on youtube tests.
5. Plates are often cheat-ringed and overall construction is usually a step behind Militech, even with the full coverage plates. They're comparable to second division Chinese outfits like Aholdtech. Militech's RF3 Black mogs them.
PROS:
1. Their number one customer is the Russian Federation. The armor skirt and other high-coverage soft armor in particular. I guess that's a pro but Russia's armor situation is abysmal so maybe not.
2. VERY wide variety of soft armor, including progressive high coverage setups. They sell extremity armor other companies aren't even thinking of yet.
3. Shields!
4. Helmets, including applique plates and a dubious ~5lb Level III helmet. Reminds me of that 5.2lb face shield...
5. Face shields! IIIA+!
6. Prices are all extremely affordable for what you "get."
7. They claim to not charge you import fees.

Overall, they're uncharted water as a company but much of their equipment is novel and extremely affordable. Due to a a lack of NIJ certs or other reliable indicia of reliability they're in a gray area. I don't think they're selling shit, like American Blast or Linry, but QC is unproven.

>>64198799
I don't really care about the NIJ certifications, I'm not really looking for 'bullet proof' stuff. I already have plates and a carrier. I was more just looking at the helmet, because I don't really feel like paying $400 for a team wendy bump helmet. 5 lbs is pretty rough though, as far as weight. As far as the butt pad goes, another thing that I don't really care if it's bullet proof.

>>64198807
The 5lb helmet is expressly for stopping multiple hits of 7.62x51mm M80. That is very high protection by helmet standards. Their bumps and IIIA are much, much lighter. Their knockoff Wendy bumps are like $110.
If you don't care about ballistics there's no point in paying $149 smacks for their buttocks guard.

>>64197392
Yeah sure.

Lord I look like a wide feller in this photo

>>64198728
>butt pads
>Jinwudun sells a IIIA ballistic version.

>>64198836
Jinwudun sells IIIA ballistic everything. They do custom orders too. Could ask them to make a IIIA bra to go with their skirt. IIIA bobs and vagene
I'm curious if their 10x13.8" or whatever plates are Russian contract. That size is very similar to some of FORT's stuff.

>>64198852
https://youtu.be/qSBna3Y-Iyo?si=Shbzre3kTGhSpFRF&t=33

He would later find out she bought them at Jinwudun's Secret, where for a limited time we'll rip that PASGT off you and give you a Japanese school uniform made completely out of Kevlar, GUARANTEED!

>>64198886
*UHMWPE
They make it all out of polyethylene bro. That's bad. Japanese schoolgirls gonna be strutting around like the michelin man with how inflexible that's gonna be.
It's odd, but I noticed China seems to not like aramid / para-aramid fibers much. They vastly prefer PE. Didn't even attempt PBO (Zylon...) when that was a thing.
What a pity. Could have had a 3.2lb Level IV for $399...

>>64198905
>Could have had a 3.2lb Level IV for $399...

Just don't get shot my boy. The First Aid handbook is making getting shot sound less horrifying than what it is.

>>64198941
Not a problem. We'll use Jinwudun III+ shields to approach enemy vehicles. Allied universal SOF style.

Can anyone help me with real/fake spotting? Want to buy this local
https://imgur.com/a/mqIsRZu
https://imgur.com/a/dNW7FEy

>>64199813
Call Vortex and give them the serial number. They can run it to see if it checks out. Also try to get a picture of the glass from the front.

>>64198721
Just had a thought. It's been previously said that the Adept Colossus can withstand .50 BMG ball at 500 yards with an unspecified muzzle velocity. This is consistent with some other Level IV plates. They stop the round but the BFD is nuts and way beyond NIJ standards.
There's no test report to substantiate the regular Colossus .50 BMG claim. It would require some pretty serious testing, but I'm curious if a KAP panel behind the plate could significantly reduce that standoff by reducing BFD and thus behind armor blunt trauma.

>>64197392
>have a PVS14
>does that annoying thing where it turns on and off randomly while im walking around with it (at an NVG shooting class)
>get it repaired
>want to take it out on a campiut with me last weekend
>hook a PVS14 recording camera to it
>opt test both in my garage the night before
>hyped to film wildlife and show the bros afterwards
>get innawoods and wait for the sun to drop
>PVS14 will not power on, try a few brand new batteries, no fix
>give it the ol' tap tap to see if i can costless it working again, no fix
>not even the IR illuminator is getting power

Why are you like this?

>>64201119
>Hop's advice that analog will outlast digital is aging like milk.
>Regular airshitters with nvg30s beating their cheap digi to hell and it still runs.
It sounds like you got electrical gremlins and the initial repairs didn't hold up.

Gentlemen, a new poorfag thermal has arrived. Owlshine OWS-390. 9 or 19mm lens, 320 sensor, 800G shock rating, apparently 50hz. $480 with import charges included on the 9mm version.
>https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256809238716122.html?
This looks fundamentally like a budget version of the Infiray HL13 thermal red dot. $480 is damn cheap.

>>64201119
open it up and check if the contact springs are getting 3V
on mine I just had to slightly bend one of the springs further out to make the connection solid
no IR is weird though. maybe one of the connections to the battery compartment got nicked during the repair

>>64201320
I'd say short circuits, but I'm no electrician

>>64201224
>322 euros
If I wasn't already equipped with a thermal scope, I would

The future is digital quad nods, Militech plates, cheap Chinese thermals, and near full-coverage Jinwudun armor / helmets. Because nobody can ruck with all this shit, we'll strap our shields to yamaha dual sports and become the bi/k/er gang. This is known. We'll even get swordier steel lances to penetrate enemy aholetechs because the cost of ammo in 2030 is too high.

>>64201477
Ok but what if you get droned

>>64201224
I hope that's an effect of taking a picture of a screen
Maybe the anon with the nerf NVG will try it

>>64201485
It's going to be a dog shit screen. They need to save money everywhere to afford the camera which makes up the majority of the cost.

>>64201457
It would make for a decent shotgun thermal since it's a reflex and has unlimited eye relief. As usual, jury is out as to whether it can handle recoil. Also need to know how often it NUCs.

>>64201494
it would be nice on a .22lr rifle for rat hunting

>>64201493
Germanium lens is the expensive bit. It's tiny here.
>>64201485
Possibly just it refreshing, but yeah that's a bad screen.
>>64201483
I think that's why they're wearing Jinwudun with shields and lances on bikes. Just poke the drones. Parry the blast with your buckler.

>>64201501
The last thermal camera I was looking at either for a DIY thermal or a DIY thermal drone was around 400 dollars. Cheaper one for 200.

>>64201498
The issue with screen thermals is that they give off visible light from the screen and backlight your face. This has been an issue since the SIG Echo 1.
IMO it's probably best for quick, reactive shooting in poor visibility. Thermals can often see through smoke.

>>64201501
it looks better in their video, maybe moire effect with the pixels, if I find 300 euros lying on the ground I'll try it
Is there a reason it is not available in the search results nor when listing the products of the seller ?

>>64201505
How big was the lens? Note the cost goes up about $200 for this owlshine between the 9mm and 19mm version.

>>64201224
oh it seems everybody and their dog is having a shot at that thing
https://www.aliexpress.us/item/1005008612751308.html?

>>64201147
Except what he said is that digital NV is currently not better than analog, and wont be for a while, which is still currently true. Do tell me what digital is being sold that fixes all the flaws he pointed out

>>64201519
Not sure. It seems to have literally just launched. Aliexpress search is notoriously ass so it maybe hasn't indexed yet.
Notably you can switch between the 9mm and 19mm lenses like how the Oneleaf can switch between its three lens sizes. That's neat.

>>64201526
oh i realized it is derived from a thermal camera for drones the chinese are certainly shitting by the hundreds per week these days

>>64201527
I watched the same video, he did IIRX bring up that digital doesn't last as long as analog, specifically quoting that he replaces his phone every 1-2 years. Man burns through phones.
There's no digital that competes evenly with good GEN-2 on actual performance. I think anon was taking the piss. Airsofters do get surprising mileage from nvg30s.
>>64201526
Thermal reflex sights are really getting popular in China. ZIYOUHU has the $890 NT19 dual thermal / digital "NV" with a 256x192 thermal sensor. Similar sensor specs to the ~1.5k Holosun DRS-TH but with digital NV as well. The Holosun is IMHO badly overpriced. This new Owlshine mogs both of them on sensor resolution and is super cheap.
Infiray has the upmarket HL15 and HL25, which have seen some combat use in Ukraine.
SIG previously had the Echo 1 (shit) and Echo 3.

>>64201535
Which makes me a little hesitant on it holding zero if it is just a drone cam. Explains why it's half the cost of a ZIYOUHU or a third of the DRS-TH, both of which have 256x192 clown sensors.

>>64201347
question is if it's a shitty chinese srcsky housing. they're known for traces failing and arcing randomly.

>>64201650
Wouldn't that have come up when the guy sent it to be repaired?
"Hey bro this happened because the housing is ass."

>>64201650
My prediction is he got a shitass "repair"man to fix it, supposedly went from turning off randomly to not turning on at all

>>64201874
I agree. That seems to be the crux of the issue. The dude at the best buy help desk didn't test it out.

Working on a Highcom buyers guide infographic. Gonna be honest, they lose to Hesco in every single category except steel, which Hesco doesn't sell, homeless-tier Level IV, which Hesco also doesn't sell, and the Highcom 3S9M vs Hesco 3814 "III++" bracket. The 3S9M is the only Highcom so far that outperforms its Hesco counterpart. Sad.

>>64202219
Guide? How about "don't fucking buy Highcum"?
Come on, nigga

>>64202247
It's a guide to not buy Highcum bruther. People ain't gonna buy it when they see the 3S14M is $1,845 a set but weighs 0.3lb more than the Hesco 3810 that's only $1,200 a set, or 0.7lb heavier than the 3811 that's still hundreds cheaper.
The 4S17M is 0.7lb heavier than the 4403.
The 4S16 is 0.6lb lighter than the 4403 but lacks drop foam. Also more money. No NIJ cert (duh).
The Highcom AR1000 is 7.1lb for a 9.5x12.5" and magically 5.9lb for a 10x12"
The 3S9M is 0.6lb lighter, 0.08" thinner, but can't stop M2AP like the Hesco 4601 that is actually cheaper.
People need to know brother. This lineup is stuck in 2014.

Here it is. Introducing the Highcom Armor "Buyers Guide" 1.00. This complements the Highcom Sus infographic from months ago back during the 4SAS4 shitshow.
I modeled it after the Hesco infographic. Basically everything here sucks versus Hesco or LTC. The 3S9M is such an edge-case plate it's hardly relevant - hence why I think Hesco half-assed the competitor, the 3814. LTC is up next.

>>64202601
lol, dude, they're not even close to 9.5x11.5" on average. They're literally closer to 9x11".
""""Listed"""" 10x12"
""""Nominally"""" 9.5x11.5
Ackshuallly 9x11".
This would never have come out if they didn't pull all of that bullshit with the 4SAS4.
Also lol at "their RCH rifle helmet is world class." ECH performance (questionable) at 10x the ECH pricetag. It's dogshit.

>>64202790
Yeah, hence why the 9.5x11.5 is still listed as nominal. The weights given should imply their 9.5x11.5 is suspect given that many of those plates are lighter than SAPI smalls (8.75x11.75).
>4SAS4 bullshit
It actually subjected Highcom and their dealers to real scrutiny for the first time in forever. They handled it poorly. I would have liked to have seen a recall for the 4SAS4, but that wouldn't have happened unless there was a fatality. Nobody wants that, although anons were getting poorly packed 4SAS4s that failed tap-torque, and there's more than 10,000 of them out there, so the jury is still out.
>RCH stuff
ECH is rated up to 7.62x39mm. RCH is M193 / 7.62x51 M80 at full velocity. Both are nominally ~3.3lb. 2.4k, which is ugly but comparable to other rifle helmets.
Jinwudun's Chinese counterpart is $800, sketchy, and 5.7lb (ouch). Team Wendy's Rifletech is $3.5k. Other rifle helmets are in a similar price range. Ergo, the RCH is up there.

>>64202840
Come on. The ECH and RCH will stop exactly the same shit at exactly the same level of performance. Highcom's "rating" doesn't mean shit. And what was BFD like on that full-velocity M80 ball shot? What's the over-under? 80mm?

>>64202857
>Highcom's rating
While they were shady as hell about the 4SUS4, there's no indication they're being especially dishonest about the RCH. It's been sixteen years since the UHMWPE ECH was developed. There have been significant developments in PE since then. It's feasible the RCH outperforms the ECH with no weight penalty.
>BFD
Good news! Nobody knows because the applicable NIJ standard, 0106.01, doesn't have a way to measure that. It also hasn't been updated since the 1980s and lacks even an official IIIA, let alone rifle rating specs. They were gonna make an 0106.02 in 2002 fixing these issues, but that never happened. Helmets are across the board a rating shitshow. Is it possible Highcom is taking advantage of that? Sure. Same goes for most everyone else that doesn't publish test reports. That's on the NIJ.

custom Surefire

>>64202904
ok

>>64202905
sup bro

>>64202904
https://hkparts.net/all-parts/hkp-hk-usp-pistol-light-laser-adapter/

>>64202915
Hmmm, yeah. With like an X300? Sure, it'd be cool. But I have other stuff.

>>64202924
6D maglite. Baton pistol

>>64202928
Hell yeah. That thing would be a medieval mace. Gonna fuckin' whack you with it.

>>64202940
The Rodney King Express

>>64202988
This guy looks redder than a man who got caught in the middle of a jack on a company wide zoom meeting. Is he stressed? Does he need a stress ball?

Since we’re talking nvg’s, let’s talk lid setup. Need to get some earpro for picrel. We got any “budget” options out there that support a mic or should I just get the comtacs and be done with it?

>>64203321
how about those guys that were taking turns shooting each other in the head lol

>>64203321
>mystery meat high cut conversion helmet
>nvg monocular
>looking for "budget" ear pro with a mic
why didn't you just go to Aliexpress and get yourself a fake opscore, fake amps and quad tubes? why even do this pathetic display of poorfag larp faggotry?

>>64203321
Ive seen sordin supreme pros with single comm downlead on jewbay for $130

>>64203453
Ayy lmao
>>64203598
Gets me a lead, thanks. Worst case I end up with the world’s most ghetto wired up leights

>>64203628
>Ayy lmao
What could possibly go wrong. Shoot me in the head, and then I'll shoot you in the head.

>>64203643
As long as I get to go first. Gonna blow your mind bro

>>64203706
Nah, see here, trust me... I'm gonna shoot you first because I know a little bit more than you do.

>>64203321
just use an external mic, you'll need a hand for the PTT anyway

>>64203712
Nah, I already got a headache. I need a Tylenol and maybe some earpro to reduce the noise.

>>64203730
It'll just be a knock to the head. No big deal.

>>64203722
Bless. I think we’re going cursed leights. Have also seen some very… interesting 3.5mm “mods” for them

Anyone run a team wendy exfil 3.0 bump and sordin supreme pro (neckband version)? Not sure how these get helmet mounted as it slightly differs from headband version.

>>64203598
and if they sukk do an INAD return and get all ur moneh back / make teh bitch pay return shipping. Ebay is sayfe brutha.

>>64202894
Feasible? Maybe. But there's literally zero proof.
> BFD Good news! Nobody knows
lol, I'm gonna assume that the Highcom is "rated" for M80 Ball which just means that even though the helmet collapses from one side to the other, and will literally turn your brain into a mushy liquid, the bullet doesn't penetrate the shell.
It's basically nonsense. There's NOTHING to justify that helmet's price over the ECH. It's dogshit.

>>64204643
>But there's literally zero proof.
That's the thing with helmets. Most IIIA helmets that don't publish test reports are the same way against much lesser threats. The NIJ has no CPL for helmets, no standardized way to measure BFD, and no official ratings above Level II under 0106.01. This goes for all of them unless they adhere to a military or some Euro standards like VPAM.
>I'm gonna assume that the Highcom is "rated" for M80 Ball...
Fair assumption, given that all IIIA helmets and nearly all rifle-rated helmets except the ECH adhere to inconsistent mutations of a standard that hasn't been updated since 1981. Like I said before, the non-military helmet scene is a shitshow.
>even though the helmet collapses from one side to the other,
The difference between weaker rifle helmets and the RCH against 7.62x51mm M80 is 650ft/s. Because Highcum releases no test reports I cannot prove this, but it is not unfeasible that they could have improved on the ECH in sixteen years. Would be their first and only innovation in that timeframe, but the point stands.
>There's NOTHING to justify that helmet's price over the ECH
The hopes and dreams of being able to stop 7.62x51mm M80 at full velocity, all resting on Highcom's mixed reputation? I mean, people paid more for LTC 28595s hoping they could stop M993. People paid more for Hesco 4800s thinking they were no-strings-attached Level IVs. People bought 4800LVs thinking they were standalone.
>It's dogshit
By this measure, so is every other IIIA or "III" helmet that fails to abide by a modern standard other than mutated 0106.01. Technically, that makes the RCH king of the shit pile and therefore world class.

Because you cannot prove the RCH ineffectively stops M80, and I cannot prove it effectively stops M80, it's at an impasse that rests entirely on how much people trust Highcum. Annoying, isn't it?

Does anybody make inner belts that can be taken off easily?
Today I wet my pants trying to take off my inner

>>64204774
You don't need to take your pants off to pee
Also yes there's plenty of inner belts with g-hooks or similar, google it

>>64204786
Well, what if I need to shit?

>>64197392
thinking of doing this same setup. i alrady have a PASGT helmet that and was hoping I could just attatch my PSV14 to it (if I ever get one, God williing) but am wondering what the comfort is like. is it heavy/uncomfy or is that just beta plebbitors complaining?

>>64204839
>beta plebbitors
Remember. They buy 4SAS4s and then can't make it up the stairs wearing said 4SAS4s. For years they abided by some guy who said any armor weighing more than 6lb is automatically dogshit. Nothing is comfy like quilted northern. Embrace the suck.

>>64204828
Then you would have shit your pants

>>64204828
>>64205053
you see comrade, wear skirt of Jinwudun and no pants underneath. Protect your balls and enable rapid tactical shitting with no wipes.

>>64204711
There are a a lot of different ways to measure BFD in helmets, and many manufacturers post test results. Say what you will about HHV and Militech, they've probably posted dozens of helmet test reports between the two of them.
> The difference between weaker rifle helmets and the RCH against 7.62x51mm M80 is 650ft/s. Because Highcum releases no test reports I cannot prove this, but it is not unfeasible that they could have improved on the ECH in sixteen years. Would be their first and only innovation in that timeframe, but the point stands.
I think it's dumb to trust Highcom without test reports. The RCH is simply their version of the ECH. It's just that the military was conservative and didn't want to "rate" a helmet vs. a threat that would cause 80mm BFD, and Highcom was like "whatever man, YOLO, nobody says we can't!"
> Because you cannot prove the RCH ineffectively stops M80
Let's have a friendly wager. You or I can email Highcum to ask for test reports on the RCH vs. M80 Ball. If they don't reply or say "uhh that's proprietary" then they're 100% full of shit. If they provide a good test report with less than 40mm BFD, I'll stop clowning on the Highcum infographic.

>>64204774
Ratfuck IIIA aside, I need recommendations on a helmet because I'm going to be seeing serious real shit NVG usage in my future, and I fucking hate my ACH.

I'd like something
>Lighter than a 2000's XL ACH
>Gotta actually stand up to serious use, not just serious larp use, but real shit shrapnel and gunfire
>Mounting for NVG
>High cut for ear pro is a huge boon, and would be nice for weight reduction

What should I look for? I'm not too worried about price, but I'm not drjnking myself jnto the brain damage necessary to drop ops core money on a helmet that'd cost as much as the NODs I'm going to be issued for the next few years. Not when I could spend the money building out my SPC, or buying another pair of kebs.

my fellow /k/ommando's... what's my best bet for a step above a fuckass garbage Condor plate carrier? The Ferro Concepts Slickster looks nice but also doesn't look fun to wear for an extended period. I got some cheapo RMA 8lbs plates so, one multicurve and one single

right now I just have the condor with some Amazon QD cummberbund and it works fine but damn it distributes 0 weight

>>64205868
>There are a a lot of different ways to measure BFD in helmets, and many manufacturers post test results. Say what you will about HHV and Militech
Agreed. The issue is that there's no standard way. As for HHV / Militech, the issue in play is Chinese QC.
>Dumb to trust Highcom
Like it or not they've got more than a dozen products on the CPL. They aren't shoveling shit. The 4SAS4 and undersizing shenanigans are black marks but most of their SAPI-sized .06 lineup is fine, just dated versus Hesco.
>RCH = their ECH
See I don't quite buy that. There's more than a decade between the two. It's like saying VelSys can't improve on the LTC 28595. They did. Same protection, 7.4% weight reduction.
>Wager
Alright, I'll play your game. I'll email Highcom on a burner later today. I am 90% sure the answer will be the same as it was for the 6x BZ API 4SAS4 test report Buffman was on about in December. How about I email Highcom, you email Apex or another dealer. See if the story is the same between the two?
>>64205953
At first glance, I'm thinking a used FAST since civ / LE ""IIIA" is a shit. Team Wendy is another option. Lots of fake FASTz, be careful. Since Militech does have test reports you can try them, but Chinese helmets play the QC lottery and lack actually consistent milspec testing.

>>64206003
JPC 2.0? I'd put some money into upgrading your plates too. Sounds like you got screwed on some 1155s.

>>64205953
Check out the Team Wendy EPIC Responder helmet, I'm not sure the front mount is for NVGs but I'm sure between that and maybe better padding it's probably still only like 700 bucks

I lucked out with HHV... sorta.. they screwed up my shipping 2 times on a GEN2 helmet (I also didn't want to spend 1200 dollars and it's not even my job I just want to larp) and they actually sent me a GEN3 as a "sorry for wasting a month of time" which on their site is 800 dollars.. like 400 more then I spent though I really don't see a huge difference. I think the GEN3's are just 'put together' in the US better then the GEN2's I think those come right from china already assembled.

>>64206030
>Substantially lighter than the ACH while meeting NIJ IIIA (NIJ STD 0106.01/0108.01)
There is no IIIA in 0106.01 ya shits and 0108.01 is for shields. Anyways, that's a Ceradyne shell helmet like my BA3A, so it's probably GTG.

>>64206020
I'm not really worried about the plates, I'm pretty confident they'll stop anything I'd actually get shot by.. if rifles come out I'm just going to not get shot by them ideally.

What's wrong with the 1155 again? again if this was like, my JOB I'd have gotten some nicer plates but honestly bro I'm just larping, my thick ass, heavy RMA's are fine

>>64206047
this is from Precision Group Denmark so idk if this really means anything..

>>64206066
They're NIJ suspended and on two occasions have lost to two hits of .308 ball, once tested by an online rag and another by an anon. For the anon's test, it was .308 Tulammo at 100 meters. Second shot penetrated clean. The plate is cheap Alumina backed by fiberglass and can't crack arrest for shit.
You are lugging around 8.3lb plates that failed against their stated threat, per the NIJ, and provide less than a third of the bare minimum requirement (6x 7.62x51 M80) of a Level III plate.
See the "rma sucks" infograph: https://imgur.com/a/gq-infographic-emporium-1-00-1lZ5xw6

>>64206094
Emphasis on "modified" my friend. There is no official NIJ IIIA rating for helmets per 0106.01. Anyone who claims otherwise is using their own modified / mutant version of the standard.
We really need a helmet infographic.

>>64206096
There was an earlier time where it lost to a .308 ball on /k/, must be a few years back.
> See I don't quite buy that. There's more than a decade between the two. It's like saying VelSys can't improve on the LTC 28595. They did. Same protection, 7.4% weight reduction.
Your problem, as usual, is that you just make things up because you think things are "supposed" to be a certain way. There's literally ZERO proof that it's anything more than an ECH, and I'll gladly bet that they adamantly refuse to provide any reports.

>>64206131
>.308 ball
Pretty sure we're talking about the same incident.
>ECH / RCH stuff
Uh... no? It's a logical deduction from the fact the ECH has been around for sixteen years. Do you expect no progress in that time?

>>64206003
I rock a mayflower APC velocity systems plate plate carrier that I got on ebay for a great deal. im mainly going for minimalistic right now so Im quite happy with the integrated magazine pouch. rocking 2 multi 4SAS7. im really happy with the setup :^)

>>64206214
>4SAS7
They tap/torque, right? Given the recent 4SAS4 chicanery there were questions raised about the equally not-0101.06-compliant 4SAS7.

Pic rel is the RMA sucks infographic for anyone that wants the not-imgur version.

>>64206163
You still have literally zero proof that the Highcom RCH represents any sort of progress.
Similarly, the ESAPI has been around for twenty years, and Highcom doesn't have any plates that are truly superior. Comparable, at best.
Over 16 years, I expect some progress, but not from Highcom, lol. I do expect them to try and play fast-and-loose with the rules, just like their nominal 10x12", uh 9.5x11.5", uhhhh 9x11" plates.
They're never going to give you any test reports, lol. Those reports literally don't exist.

>>64204839
it's heavy, and not that comfy. but it's not unbearable. since you already have a PASGT I say go for it, it's cheaper than getting a new helmet. also make sure you get a strap like this, https://www.ebay.com/itm/316995448481 to keep the helmet from tipping forward.

>>64206427
Alright, so I'm waiting on responses from both Highcom and Apex. I obtained the actual 2024 spec sheet for the RCH and found some pretty alarming stuff once I crossed it with Apex's threat table. Per the spec sheet, Highcom tested this helmet in an NIJ-certified independent lab to 0101.06, so a test report must exist. I don't think they'll release it.

Anyways:
1. Apex advertises the RCH to stop 7.62x51mm M80 at 2,894ft/s. Highcom advertises the RCH to v0 stop M80 at >2,100ft/s, so something higher than ECH. The term "v50" is nowhere on Apex's page. Everyone calls it "III+" so it needs to beat M80 at the NIJ III reference spec of 2,750ft/s +- 30, because 0101.06 but helmet.
2. Apex advertises the RCH to stop 5.56 M193 at 3,251ft/s. Highcom advertises the RCH to v50 (50% chance) M193 at something higher than 2,986ft/s.
3. Apex advertises 7.62x39 stoppage at 2,390ft/s. Highcom advertises the v50 at something higher than 2,676ft/s. That one tracks.

#3 tells me Apex is advertising v0 velocities, which for M80 and M193 are considerably higher than the velocities advertised by Highcom. Highcom's M193 v50 is 265ft/s LOWER than the apparent v0 advertised by Apex! Talk about inflating capabilities!
Now every dealer and Highcom alike are calling this a "III+" helmet, so ostensibly the actual M80 v0, since Highcom very explicitly says this was lab tested to 0101.06, must be at least 2,750ft/s.
A lot of this rests on the actual test reports, but the inconsistency between Highcom and their vendor (again) is still alarming. If I don't get a solid response in 48 hours there's no point in keeping the RCH on the infograph. It's presumptively cooked. This is ridiculous.

>>64206605
Highcom says 7.62x39mm "LC" (lead core?) whereas Apex says 7.62x39mm MSC. So even that one is fucked up.

>>64206707
Light core. I want to say 7.62x39mm M43. We're on about a half dozen instances of Apex exaggerating armor specs.
1. Highcom RCH
2. Highcom 4SAS4 being multi-hit against M2AP. Everyone else said single strike.
3. Highcom 4SSS2 being able to stop M995.
4. LTC 28601 being good for any tungsten core under .50 BMG when it's a REV A. or B. XSAPI from 2009 only good for M993.
5. Highcom 3i10M being able to stop M193 or 7.62x39 MSC without the required soft armor.
6. LTC 28590 being the GEN-V Tac. Standalone. It's not, that's the LTC 28595.
I'm sure there's more but that's the ones off the top of my head.

>>64206755
I wouldn't put it past them to use "LC" for "lead core"
Also lmao at Apex. WTF is that clown even doing?

Anyone know of a decent chest rig for pcc mags? I got uzi and mp5. Wondering if I should just get a basic 5.56 pouch with spacers/turn a flc into a ghetto tac vest with hsg tacos.

>>64206921
He's probably relying on the fact the vast majority of armor is never shot bro. When it's never shot you can say whatever because there's no other way to prove it works. Nobody wants to shoot plates they spent good money on. It's why the industry is swamped with BS.

>drink 4-5qts of water today
>feel fucking fantastic

Maybe I've been dehydrated all this time, they were right

>>64197402
Stop it.

>>64197392
Do many of you buy from Chinese suppliers? My whole setup is either off AliExpress of through a Chinese reseller
A Chinese friend of mine studying here imported the housing and ITTs, gen 2 + white phos from NNVT
~$3300USD
From AliExpress:
Fast super high cut bump helmet
Aluminium Wilcox mount
Bunjee cable
Multicam helmet shroud
The fucken lights
Manta ir strobe
Earmore m32s
Im waiting on a battery pack and a helmet mounted m300v
~$400USD

You laughed at my gear requests, yet I still acquire said items, and did in fact carry out a successful operation. OPFOR is livid, and have been for a month. fuck you /gq/

Recommendations for non ballistic riot helmets?

>>64209010
>and did in fact carry out a successful operation
buying weed from your dealer is not an "operation"

>>64209010
The operation is going from the bed to the couch to the shitter then retreating back to the bed. His belt kit got snagged on the railing and caused major setbacks.
Operation "woulda punched the drill sergeant" 2K25

>>64208674
I buy China pouches because they are just pouches
For important things like carrier or armor I stick to reputable brands

>>64208674
Do those amps arms clamp down solidly on your ears? The wire ones I'm using aren't clamping down too great but I'm thinking it's because I bought too large of a helmet. Somehow have to figure out how to trade or sell that.

You fags are buying the wrong gear.

>>64211029
I cant even see the feminine penis with those, good suggestion anon

>>64211054
Ballistic mini skirts are gay. This is full on Xena hotness.

>>64211029
I want to see pubes growing through this like a majical talking hedge from a Grimm fairy tale.

Got a new placard and TQ holder today and got it all set up on my pc. Just thought you guys would want to know.

>>64212041
pic?

Idk if this will work. I had to resize it a million times, so idk how much this will compress.

>>64206096
Oof. What about the 1165 model?

>>64212990
Same problematic ceramic strike face, but they swapped the fiberglass backer of the 1155, which is advertised as Polyethylene Composite because they use a PE adhesive with it (lol), for actual Dyneema. This drops weight from 8.3lb to 6.8lb. It does not resolve the strike face's crack arresting. Their Alumina just isn't very good.
They use better (Bitossi) Alumina for the newer XRT quasi-IV, but the backer on that is too thin and scores up to 42mm BFD against 3x 7.62x51mm M80. Half the current NIJ-III test. Failure is 44mm. The plate tested in RMA's own test reports was a touch heavy and they can range lighter or heavier than nominal weights. NIJ .07 RF1 does cut minimum fair multi-hit against M80 from 6 to 3.

Anyways, nearly anything RMA makes can be replaced by something from LTC or Hesco. You will pay extra but you will get a better, more reliable product. Only exception is the boob-curve FSAPI for barbara with big tiddies and stephanie who sucks like a vacuum.

Any niggas know how tf am i supposed to attach my sordin supreme (neckband version) to my team wendy bump on 3.0 rails?

>>64213613
You can't. Those don't have the correct connection points.

>>64209954
isn't jpc 2.0 clone from idogear decent? I have pouches, belt, some knives from aliexpress, but I would not buy plates

>>64198127
Don't have that one but I have a bunch of other Midwest stuff, I like their stuff. They do large sales on 4th of July and Black Friday iirc. I ended up getting a harness setup from Unobtanium but I also considered wtfidea, Beez, and Haley. Other than that pretty much every other gear company also sells harnesses.

>>64211131
Unfathomably based

>>64198630
Get a maxxidri instead. Padding and it won't turn your vest into an oven.

>>64198807
>>64198695
Get some leather, multicam cloth, and dental floss and make one. It's really not worth spending a fuckload of money on something that's so trivial to produce by hand.

>>64215197
>10 dollars

>>64215219
>too broke

>>64215226
It's 7 dollars at harbor freight.

>>64209060
Poorfag: hard hat + swim goggles + p95 mask
Some money to spend: bike helmet with sun visor + halfmask respirator + goggles of choice
Gucci tier: open mandible motorcycle helmet with facial shield + 40mm industrial gas mask

>>64215257
>no papr

>>64215257
>Poorfag: hard hat + swim goggles + p95 mask
I could build this setup right now just with stuff on-hand.

>>64215298
Thought about that but my inner Opsec autism monkey threw a screeching fit at the suggestion of the suggestion of wearing something that's too easily traceable

>>64212152
What wing pouches are you using?

Posting this for input on pouch relocation or possible swapping. Yall think this is a solid set up?

>Back
- Camelbak

>Right Side
- NVG Pouch
- Double Single stack mag pouch
- Internal radio pouch

>Front
- Triple Mag pouch
- Large GP (For admin shit, navigation, etc)

>Left Side
- Double Single stack mag pouch
- IFAK

Pic rel isnt the exact pouches I am picking btw, just trying to convey concept.

>>64215931
The wing pouches are from Shaw concepts. The one on the right is the shaw shank, which holds my knife. The one on the left is called the arc wing radio pouch, I think. I'm more parties to a dangler for IFAK, so that it can be reached with both hands.

I want to start buying some body armor. What plate carriers and plates should I consider? Also what size plates? Im a dwarf at 5'1. I kinda like the aglite carrier but
>IDF

>>64215971
Don't get the agilite carrier. I own agilite gear, I don't give a fuck about muh IDF. My tax dollars get spent there anyway. Their stuff is overpriced, but it's good, as far as pouches and what not. But their carrier is something I just wouldn't get. What is your budget?

>>64215994
NTA but buying used when it comes to gear is basically buying gucci on discount if its like new. Even surplus in good condition (depending on the item and when it was made obvi) can you get you durable equipment

>>64216038
You're not wrong, but I make decent money. I'm not spending money on gear that's already been sweated in by some dude that was jerking off in a 120 degree porta potty. I'll just wait 2 more weeks and save another pay check.

>>64215994
Not sure how good carriers usually go for, but I was willing to spend about $300 for the agilite, so around there.

>>64216048
>already been sweated in by some dude that was jerking off in a 120 degree porta potty
I really don't see a problem here. This is not a base layer or even intermediate layer.

>>64213196
Shit. Thanks for detailed response. If you were to go with a comparable LTC or Hesco offering, which would you recommend?

>>64217020
LTC has a better rep but Hesco has better low and mid-range Level IVs. Hesco 4403 is the go-to for budget Level IV protection. The LTC 26605 is slightly lighter but compromises multi-hit versus threats like 7.52x51 M61 or 7.62x39 BZ API. It's one hit and done for 7.62x39 BZ API per Midwest. That's not great.
Hesco doesn't really have a direct 1165 counterpart in terms of weight. They had the 4K10 years ago, but that was only sold in Mexico. You'll need to step up to the Hesco 4601, which is the best NIJ certified Level IV under $1k but rather costly. That compares against the RMA 1192 - what used to be RMA's flagship.
Do you really need Level IV protection? If no, the M855A1-rated LTC 19513 is outstanding. The Hesco 3411 is somewhat heavier but has more headroom.

>>64217163
Tits. Thanks man. Saved your recommended plate details for later when expendable income becomes available again (thanks to jeet cunt director who put me on a PIP). In the meantime I take it my 1165s are better than nothing, right? If so, what could they withstand hits from until failure?

>>64198538
$3600. Anvis was about $1200. got bridge and pods separately for $60, ancient bundeswehr armory gen 3 tubes for $365 each, objectives were $100 each nib and $80 each for the eyepieces. Acquired everything within a couple months of each other. Have many anvis, ball detent is the best.

>>64217303
sorry for being a phoneposter!

>>64213638
fuck

>>64217239
>1165s
Yes, absolutely better than nothing. Dyneema backing is considerably stronger than fiberglass. Additionally, it can pull double duty as a ballistic element, if the ceramic is fully compromised, against significantly lesser threats. Think about IIIA to maybe M193 / 7.62x39 MSC.
>hits from until failure
100% depends on shot spacing as much as what you get hit by. Level IV plates are only, as a baseline, required to stop one .30-06 M2AP. All "lesser" ratings under .06 need to stop six hits within the 6x8" fair hit zone with 2" spacing (or 3" for the larger threat if it's II or IIIA). That's why a lot of people prefer III and unofficial III+. Six M80 is a lot. IVs have no shot spacing requirement unless they are certified with multiple shots as part of a reduced-sample Level IV certification submission. At which point it's 2" against M2AP (up to 6 hits a plate if spec'd by the mfg - this is rare and plates that do this often have fat fuck tile arrays and/or have cheat rings).
More energetic, beefier core, and higher-diameter threats need more spacing. Even if your 1165s crack arrest poorly they can likely handle a few 7.62x39 MSC or M193 fine. One M2AP,. Where the Alumina struggles is with multi .308 or above. The 1165 will very likely still outperform the 1155.
If the spacing is wide (4") you've got better odds against beefier threats. If a plate simultaneously meets III and IV like the Protech 2230 or Hesco 4601 you've by default got better crack arrest than IV alone.

Keep in mind two things.
1. All plates are only required to stop hits two inches from the edge or more. 10x12 only needs to provide 6x8 coverage. Cheat ring rule.
2. All plates are only required to stop hits two inches apart or more. If shots land closer the plate is not required to stop these "unfair" hits.

Highcom are at it again. Shilling shit-tier AR500 armor for $39.
Were these "made for Ukraine" and rejected? Or are they scraping the bottom of the barrel due to cashflow difficulties?

>>64217727
Oh man they're trying to kick Tactical Scorpion out of the bottom barrel steel market.
Good:
1. This is actually NIJ certified steel armor. As you are aware M193 is not a tested threat and this is just against M80.
2. At $39 a pop, this is the cheapest certified Level III plate.
Bad:
1. M193 is not listed at all on Highcom's page. That's... not good.
2. The 10x12 nominal, more like 9x11, shooter is 7.5lb. The SAPI M is 9lb. Both plates with the minimum 20 mil spall coating. Go to 80 mil and it's 8.1lb and 9.6lb for zero M193 protection. The swimmer cut plates weigh more than the shooters. That's how bad the nominalness is.
3. Single curve mothafucka.
4. Apex calls the steel M193-rated AR1000 a training plate. John Sun the great exaggerator doesn't even carry this thing, that's how bad it is.
5. Still gonna spall!
Overall this is ass, 0/10 just like the 4SUS4. I'd run AR500's steel-PE A3 plate any day over this.

>>64217657
You’re the fucking man. Thank you again for taking the time to drop some knowledge on this anon. Really appreciate it, fren. Have a great night

>>64217780
lol, very nominal. Somebody needs to force these guys to post actual measurements!
> I'd run AR500's steel-PE A3 plate any day over this.
AFAIK that was discontinued years ago.

>>64217800
These nominal weights are rough. As for the AR500 A3, it was dropped in like 2022 or so. Too expensive for their audience. I'd still buy a pair on ebay used and run it over this Highcom AR500. Half the weight, reduced spalling risk, and better protection - esp against M193 because of the PE backing.
It was an attempt to try and provide a pfg version of the famed steel-PE AMI TAC3S, but failed because AR500 Armor is not competitive in that bracket. Also the steel component is 1/4" mystery meat.
>>64217787
Glad to help!

>>64217780
I don't get how people still use steel armor when M193 (the most common ammo out there) blows right through it.

>>64217965
They raise a number of arguments. Some of these are more persuasive than others:

1. Durability. Highcom, with their fragile 4SAS4, ironically created a need for their AR1000 and AR500 steel plates, which are now conveniently on sale after the 4SAS4s mostly dried up. You can compromise the 4SAS4 by dropping it on concrete a few times. See Buffman test 2. Most ceramics aren't like that and have drop padding / sufficient headroom to work even when somewhat compromised. All .06-cert plates pass drop tests. You can run a steel plate over with a dump truck and it'll still work. Old PE plates in the past have been compromised by hot storage conditions. Car trunks in Texas sorta deal.
3. Lifespan. Some ceramics like the TAP Gammas, Ceradyne 92547, some Chinese plates, etc delaminated over years due to cheap adhesive between strike face and backer failing. Steel plates don't care.
4. Multi-hit. 8.3lb RMA 1155 sometimes loses to two hits of .308. It's done that twice. Steel plates provided they don't break (overhard / brittle steel) withstand M80 indefinitely not accounting for spall.
5. Shot spacing. Ceramics are not required to stop shots closer than 2" together. All NIJ plates are like that. Steel and steel-PE hybrid plates do not give a fuck about shot spacing. See AMI TAC3S.
6. Reduced BFD. Steel plates, unless actual "back-spalling" occurs, usually post BFD well under 20mm. Ceramics like the RMA XRT post 42mm (nearly failure) against M80. Less BFD generally means less behind armor blunt trauma. See Second Chance 1980s video test. Guy basically ignores a .308 at point blank. Steel.
7. Cost. You can buy ten of these Highcom AR500s for less than a pair of Hesco 4403s. Outfit a whole crew with NIJ certified armor for less than $400? See the appeal?

The only workable steel plates are the steel-PE or titanium-PE hybrids like the AMI TAC3S, Adept Mantis (Ti), and the AR500 A3. The metal strike face and PE work as a system to simultaneously defeat M855 and M193.

>64218574
Ran out of space so I skipped one argument. Argument #2 is that they look good on youtube, especially if you're sneaky and put beefed up steel against bottom barrel ceramics from Linry or another D-list Chinese outfit. There's countless ways to cook youtube tests so that's right out, just wanted to address that separately.

>>64218574
>1. Durability ... Old PE plates in the past have been compromised by hot storage conditions. Car trunks in Texas sorta deal.
That's the reason I carried steel plates in my car for a while.
Recently changed to a couple of those level III Italian surp uhmwpe plates but I'm wondering whether I should go back to the steel.

I like the idea of having something in my car but I'm not about to go out and buy a second set of level IVs so it's steel or cheap pe.

How badly will being stored in a car in NH damage the already-old pe? Enough to make ar500 the better choice? Surely not enough to stop if holding up to pistols and shotguns at least?
What would you cunts go with?

>>64219388
Neither option is great. The issue is that those Italian plates are 0101.03, long before the .06 conditioning tests. They are more than two decades old and may already be compromised by both how you stored them and how they could have been stored in the years past.
Steel plates don't care about heat. What matters is this:
1. How much can you bear with the weight increase? We're talking more than double the weight by going from most PE to most steel.
2. How thick is the spall coating on the steel you're looking at? Spalling is a chronic issue - both frontal fragmentation spall and back spalling off the wear face. Usually measured by the mfg in mil.
3. What steel plates exactly are you looking at? There is no point to AR500 if you can save up for AR1000 or another NIJ-certified model which also credibly defeats M193, at satisfactory velocity, in special threat testing. It's $39 a pop versus $80. But at that point, just keep saving and get another pair of ceramics. I know that's not the answer you want to hear but it will get you the most reliable protection. Hesco T212s are damn cheap SRTs as one option. I'd maybe entertain LAPG's Level IVs but I do not trust their PE backers in this application.

As for whether the Italian PE plates can still handle shotguns and pistols, the answer is... maybe. Depends too much on the exact ammo and the level of conditioning the plate has been subjected to. My final answer is you save up $395 total and get a pair of Hesco T212s.

>>64215971
I looked at Agilite's plates and I am 90% sure their "Level IV+" (bruh) Operator is a rebadged Hesco 4800. The Warrior plate matches the 4801 on weight but is only $645 (odd). The 5.6lb 4801 hasn't released yet so it's possible they made it a cheaper plate than the 5.1lb 4800. Their Raider looks like a Hesco 3810LPS. I'm kinda miffed on Agilite but if their plates are Hesco (confirm this with them or preferably Hesco if they'll talk) that's good.
You'll need to measure your chest for plates. Go outer edge of nipple to nipple then clavicle down to a few inches above your belly button. That's the classic test.
What you can also do is cut a piece of cardboard to 10x12 plate dimensions and see if it impedes your arm movement / shouldering a gun when held up to your chest. If not, just get a 10x12 shooters or 9.5x12.5 SAPI M, your preference.
Since you're IDF, maybe head on down and see if Mofet Etzion Yehuda is still around. You literally have one of the two world manufacturers of LIBA down the street.

>>64206707
No response from either Highcom or Apex and it's been more than 48 hours. The infograph has already been amended to remove the RCH. Apparently they can't answer emails.
I'm going to operate under the assumption Apex's 2,894ft/s v0 velocity on M80 and 3,251ft/s v0 velocity on M193 are both wrong and the actual numbers are considerably lower when making the helmet infographic.

>>64219873
If it's a 4800 it's literally the opposite of "IV+". I'd call it "IV-"
> Since you're IDF, maybe head on down and see if Mofet Etzion Yehuda is still around.
I thought this dude was saying that he doesn't want to buy anything from Agilite because they support the IDF.
I wouldn't buy Agilite because they're sleazeballs who shill low-quality shit.
Anyway, if I were IDF I'd drive down to visit Mofet Etzion Yehuda and see what's up, then report back to /gq/ headquarters.
>>64220252
ECH for $3000. lol, lmao

>>64221325
Safe to say the RCH won't be getting a star on the infographic. Entirely too much money for what can be purchased for $500 on eBay.
The 4800's issue is the same as most other ultralight Level IVs. They are built to bare minimum with no headroom. You drop it a few times, as Buffman did with the 4800, and it fails 1/2 M2AP. Since the LTC 26300 / LTC 26310 are both 0101.04 plates, it's likely the same problem for them too. Also doesn't help these plates tend to lose multi-hit capacity versus the midweights like the Hesco 4601. Exceptions are the Tencate CXP models and the Protech 9812-R1 (.04). Far as I've seen the CXP-800 is the best overall Level IV plate if you're unconcerned with tungsten threats.
Maybe I misunderstood about the IDF thing. I was under the impression he was looking at Agilite because he's IDF and that's readily available over there.
As for Mofet Etzion, it seems they're still chugging away making LIBA plates. I'd be curious how their latest stacks up versus Tencate.

Gentlemen. The Chinese have further enhanced their "Jinwudun Technology" and created extra-coverage IIIA forearm armor, courtesy of Genuine Bulletproof Equipment Store.
They also now have Level IIA (yes, IIA) umbrellas and extended coverage buttpads.

They also now have drip.
https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256808371081807.html?

Is there a boot infographic? Was thinking about maybe the German issie boots but l have no idea. Goruck is out of stock.

>>64221475
Literally, a drag queen Darth Vader.

>>64221940
It's designed to tie into a platecarrier's shoulder straps. Gotta give them credit, it's well thought out.

>>64222050
If there were thermal abatement, or even just rain?

>>64222066
Just the drip bro. Jon Snow on the modern battlefield.

>>64222083
Why not just go 10/10 Dennis Rodman?

>>64222105
Is that DMGear or IDOGear?

>>64222105
>Instead of going full ZARDOZ
ngmi

>>64222149
Okay speedo samurai

>>64222149
>ZARDOZ
Good call, missed it.
>>64222154
/gq/ is 90% cosplay anyway, right?>>64211029

>>64211029
M'lady.

>>64222428
This resonates.
>$1700+
This hesitates. I can put this together for way less than $500.

>>64222192
/gq/ is now shilling Chinese cosplay/meme/larp gear: >>64221475
I blame the faggot obsessed with Jinwudun for this.

>>64222510
>$500
What's your shopping list? I'm gonna buy one of the damn cloaks cuz it's badass but even that is $65 or so.

>>64221475
Section 8 Director Krennic driving a Cadillac DTS with kicking rims looking ass

>>64222638
If using the desert ts cloak as a base, add coyote TAPS (have), with faux fur and suede trim (Goodwill) and aluminum chain mail bib reworked into a skirt and epaulets. Huh, I seem to have found one... between this, a full face neoprene riding mask (quads), 3M N95 half mask (COVID remnant), and glacier glasses, all I need is a hat with a propeller on top.

>>64222756
You have surpassed even the Jinwudun Hobo. I hereby award you the title of Big Poor. You are a true working class patriot.

>>64200548
Just an FYI, you can buy these on Aliex for a fraction of what ebay man is charging

is the spirit camo from mgs3 based on a real pattern? if so, what is it?

>>64223654
People should wear more fur, r.r.right?

>>64223733
Become the gear pimp you were meant to be

>>64221456
Remember the future to come.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=llSfd-OzQBM&

>>64223743
Great, now I need a zebra cover for my Sept 2. ...I can do that.

>>64224016
>I need one hundred thousand saars from Poonch province on the double this man is becoming too powerful
>his mastery of the Jinwudun pimp lifestyle will be our undoing

>the year is 2035.
>Due to relentless namedropping on a basket weaving forum, Jinwudun is now a household name. Because we are now completely antisocial our wagie studios are armored floor to ceiling in Jinwudun and 40 year old Italian surp plates.
>Area men buy Jinwudun skirts. Women buy the pants. I don't even know anymore.
>With the economy in shambles, desperate men resort to the world's oldest profession.
>Is a fuck.
>For protection, Jinwudun develops bulletproof rubbers.
>is very good sir it keeps the shit clean.
>Relentless ass whoring on the 9-9-6 got me these kicking rims.
>Now here I am. I can finally afford... yes... there they are... the overwhites I've always wanted!
>They came with a tear.
>Bitch ass motherfuckers cost me my mortgage. I filed an INAD on ebay and made the bitch pay $500 reverse quantum tariffs.
>es Emperor Trump's fifth term.
>Anyway that's /gq/ in 2035 es same as now except more pan-Asian.
>gonna go back to the goon mines I gotta save up for my middle school edukation
>es all cost money. life bad in futur. enjoy time u haev.

>>64223903
>Eurobeat
I'm not clicking on that trash.

>>64224234
ok

>>64224252
I'm glad we've come to an accord.

i can't afford

>>64224317
Should have bought a house in 1990, then you'd have equity and more money.

>>64224325
i bought a bar with sweat equity but i accepted problems and did not embrace solutions so i cannot afford

Is condor platecarrier good for osmeone with sweat equity? im poor pic unrelated

>>64224368
Yeah sure. A condor plater carrier with steel plates is better than nothing at all.

>>64224374
thx can i use your shitter first i broke my car

I see we've been invaded by AR500's target audience.

>>64223598
Ukie TTsKO maybe? Or some other color variant

>>64219815
>Weight
I'm a big guy, and it's pretty unlikely I'd ever end up rucking long distances in it
>Spall coating thickness
Whatever the AR500 brand plates came with back in the day
>What grade steel?
AR500

>My final answer is you save up $395 total and get a pair of Hesco T212s.
Nah, I've already got decent plates at home. I'm not spending on more armor just for the unlikely event that I need to shoot my way past a mob in the middle of my morning commute or some shit. This is about getting some theoretical ql value out of the ar500 and PE plates that would otherwise be witting in my basement.

>>64225231
Like I said before, that leaves you with two poor options. Polyethylene plates that are possibly compromised and steel plates that are AR500 brand, which is previously CPSC-recalled garbo, with insufficient spall protection. I begrudgingly say the steel would be a better option provided it was not made in 2016 when the recall occurred. People have tested the spall coating on current AR500-brand plate to be totally insufficient. It's truck bed liner. Therefore, it is essential you get some spall bags for your plates.

>>64223598
Multi cam black?

For anyone curious, this is a good video on how "spall bags" do. Per the guy testing, it took "close to 30" rounds before spalling outside the bag. Obviously, this is a youtube test so take it with a grain of salt. His setup is slightly jank and can't detect forward spalling as comprehensively as putting the plate in a cardboard box can. Also neo-fudds in the comments if you want a laugh.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W6m1zv4eMc8
I would argue the spall bags that you put the plate inside are better than the sleeves you just put in front of the strike face in the plate bag, since the sleeves are by nature delaminated and can't capture 90-degree fragmentation.

How are blue alpha belts? I see them shilled often. Need a new 2pc belt as I've lost a bunch of weight this year and my old one falls down when moving around too much. The company that made my old belt doesn't do belts anymore and I need to get a new one.

>>64226044
cant go wrong with AWS

So in a recent piece of news Hesco has seemingly discontinued the 4800LV low-vis Level IV. This is another case where you can't trust armor vendors for shit, because every single one of them marketed it as Level IV standalone when the label very clearly says "IV ICW" (needs IIIA soft behind it), which is consistent with every single other Hesco marked as LV.

>hurr durr muh NIJ
>nooooo muh spalling
>you NEED le heckin level IV
Reminder there is literally only one recorded instance in all of human history where a 'civilian' has ever been in a gunfight wearing plates and was shot in the plates. It was the North Hollywood Shootout 28 years ago and the guy did zero research beyond stapling bits of vests together.

>>64228380
So it's a nonzero chance this stuff will be useful one day.

>>64228380
>muh steel plate is just as good

>>64228389
>tfw it's nine fucking pounds, can't stop M193, and you need to buy DLC like a spall bag and a trauma pad to make it work right.
>Or you could have just bought a pair of Hesco 4403s or T212s and called it a day.
Steel really isn't good body armor material, especially in today's era of increasingly better ceramics and M855A1. Buy a pair of 4403s, call it a day.

Dusting this one off.

>>64228385
>nonzero chance this stuff will be useful one day.
That's enough for me! Non-zero and fuck the odds! I just keep winning! I have tiger blood!

>>64228415
>finances a pair of Hesco 4800LVs with Sezzle at 4 payments 45% interest
>finds out nobody knows what the fuck they're selling
>goes into even more debt to get IIIA soft armor for his not-standalone plates
>drops the plates in the driveway
>$4,000 ruined
the gq lyfe

bitch I paid $60 for tactical scorpion with the spall coat, got it delivered free shipping fuck outta here i spend my money on my bills not this escapist trash

>>64228430
>escapist trash
MF, at that point just get a chest rig. if you don't think you need armor, don't get armor.

>>64228460
>tfw /nvg/ is so cooked the laser shitter himself has come to /gq/
Considering who it is you're replying to, his entire ideology is "have something in every category, even if it's half ass."
That means $35 desperado steel plates, digital NV, and other really questionable decisions.
You know, there's a guy on ebay that sells Level III steel pelvis, throat bib, shoulder, forearm, and leg plates. Zascollectors. Where are all his customers wearing 45lb of shit that can't stop M193?
Tell you what, if rule of law ever goes down the shitter in CONUS, you will see the jankiest gear setups the world has ever known or will know... probably until we're arguing about shape memory alloy or neutronium carbide plates on Mars.

>>64197339 (OP)
post field medical suppplies or ur a larp