Thread 64198707

>pixhawk orange box
>raspberry pi 5
>mosaic x5 gps
>xt30 power board
>carbon fiber/3d printed frame
https://x.com/FPGAX_/status/1962179402076410322
this isnt only off-the-shelf chips/hardware this is all whole boards you can order right now on aliexpress for 50$. you can build the whole thing with the knowledge/skill of a typical FPV drone hobbyist.

we're gonna have slaughterbots 1 youtube tutorial away soon theyre already making ai models that handle noisy fpv video.

>>64198707 (OP)
So how much do you reckon this would cost assuming I have a 3d printer?

>>64199185
pixhawk (orange thing) is ~500$ (but that's a very gucci flight controller you can get alternatives with the same features for 50$-100$).
raspberry pi 5(thing with fan) is ~80$ its just a computer you can open a browser and post on /k/ on it
the mosaic x5 high-precision (RTK) gps board (bottom right) im not sure but im seeing similar boards selling for ~600$
the top right and bottom left boards are voltage regulators/stabalizers, probably 20$ a pop from aliexpress.
a starlink (pic related) is ~400$).

motors for a drone that size are ~200$ a pop (where's my 5 inch fpv quad has 20$ motors).

the top left (raspberry, basically a regular computer running linux) connects to the flight controller where the radio should connect to it(pic related) im guessing they use the computer as the middleman between the flight controller and the starlink

>>64198707 (OP)
retard here, what is the significance of this?

>>64199259
>>64198707 (OP)
This seems very overdone. What are they putting general purpose SoC computers in drones for?

>>64199264
Because they are readily available off the shelf in massive quantities

>>64199261
They are cheap, effective, easy to make and you can buy all the parts and have them delivered to your home.

>>64199264
they need to translate ethernet/internet from the starlink to serial communication somehow and its a very quick and easy way to do it.

pic related is something ive built doing something similar taking the coordinates of my drone from my radio controller and feeding them into an antenna tracking system (all the computer does is run a python script i wrote in literally 5 minutes on launch)

>>64199267
Don't underestimate the software stacks. Each of those boards has a manufacturer or community legacy codebase that can be hooked up by a noob looking at a wiki tutorial and instructing an AI (little bit of testing). Starting from further back - why?

How do you 3d print "carbon fiber"? It's just plastic.

Stupid propagandashills don't even know wtf they're talking about.

>>64199329
its a carbon fiber frame that has 3d printed components bolted on to hold the electronics inside look at op pic.

the carbon fiber itself is just a flat plate cut by cnc + carbon fiber tubes for the arms

>>64198707 (OP)
Good to see the ArduPilot flight controller getting some love, I'm putting one on my next FPV quad.

>>64199261
Long range drones are being made with hobbyist hardware, you could watch a dozen youtube tutorials and build your own next weekend.

>>64199264
What the others said + powerful enough to run realtime 2 way encryption.

>>64199364
why not betaflight

>>64199373
Running betaflight on my little whoop, want to fuck around with ardupilot for GPS waypoint nav.

>>64199310
this is pretty much it, on sites like hackaday you'll see nerds whinge about people using an arduino when a 555 timer would do, or a raspberry pi when an arduino would do, but its for this reason: you can very quickly get up to speed, iterate, and add features without running into resource constraints. vlad notices a problem, slams out 200 lines of sloppy python code that uses way more cpu time than it should but improves responsiveness? great, take that crate of prebuilt drones and start flashing them, no need to think further

You see the same thing regularly with startups: the first generation of a product is seriously overbuilt because they slapped it up on whatever was easiest and didn't want too many limits, but by gen 3 the features are stable and they're optimising the build cost.

>>64198707 (OP)
>you can build the whole thing with the knowledge/skill of a typical FPV drone hobbyist.
no skills needed, just ask the AI walk you through the whole thing

>>64198707 (OP)
I didn't know they were on star link . I just read a report that said China did a 2 watt transfer of 36k km 1gb. So. Guess what we are gearing up for boys. If you believe in practical progression.

>>64198707 (OP)
Okay but what about the explosive charge you dipshit? Order that off AliExpress?

>>64199329
The same way you spray concrete with a stabilizer like fiberglass. Just stop if you don't understand material science.

>>64199504
>whinge

fucking reddit

>>64200239
I would use a Tannerite shaped fragmentation charge with some sort of electromechanical firearm cartridge based detonator. Safe, well within my knowledge and everything is available easily off the shelf and widely used enough that it wouldn't set off any dragnets.

>>64200239
>>64200405

Why not just make some homemade napalm and drop it on your target? You could just make molotovs and drop them on your targets. Could even re-use the drones that way if you wanted.

>>64199329
It's not what's in the Op pic but carbon fiber imbued thermoplastics have been a thing for years anon.

They aren't as effective as real carbon fiber and you may as well just use normal PC / Nylon in my opinion, but it is available.

>>64198707 (OP)
>tfw im just a low level hobbiest and have used 3/4ths of these parts
Jesus with the dawn of AI literally the dumbest idiot out there can cobble these parts together into a weapon

>>64200227
>the AI
Mouthbreathers stop overestimating and worshiping LLMs challenge (Impossible)

>>64198707 (OP)
It just means the government will do the same thing they did with meth.
All of the ingredients are legal to own and possess. But you purchase even a couple of them and they'll hit you with "intent to manufacture" if they decide to. It's entirely up to their discretion.
They'll apply the same logic to drone laws.

>>64201799
luddites always lose, no exceptions

>>64201799
>overestimating
No, I've literally had chatgdp build me drones and routers and even custom internet protocols with nearly 0% personal knowledge on the subject. You are massively underestimating the situation

>>64201842
>and then I woke up

>>64201799
i remember some time ago russian started using drones with fiber optics, ai bros told us that is dead end because ai drones are on the horizon and ukraine is working on them. 2 years later fiber optic drones are standard in jammer rich frontline, ai nowhere to be seen (and no, algorithm that remember last known target and follows it after losing signal isnt ai)

Ukraine literally gave up on fiber optic drones early because they were told by ai bross that llm are future.

>>64199275
Thread mascot. No way they didn't do that on purpose.

>>64201678
>cobble these parts together into a weapon
I'm more interested in building my own so I can mount a 4K camera on it. "Weapon" is a bit niche and high profile. Put a 2 TB NVME drive on it for extreme quality vid storage and have it stream back "adequate" quality for the operator to navigate in real time. And optimize design/config for smallest visual & audio footprint. Be nice to have a couple around that are untraceable, maybe with small thermite self-destruct charges located in strategic places to prevent capture & analysis.

>>64198707 (OP)
Doesn't GPS get you tracked down? How does it work in Ukraine?

>>64204342
Starlink antenna signal is narrow and looks upward, to sattelites. Difficult to seek.

Militarization of space is done, in spite of "agreements". Russia and China should shot them down.

>>64201175
Petg cf is my go to engineering filament right now. The fibers don't really add strength, they basically just keep the filament from flowing further from where the nozzle places it, so you get really good dimensional accuracy and nice looking parts. It's not as strong as nylon but it's way cheaper and prints as easy as pla.

>>64204300
this never happened

>>64204342
>Doesn't GPS get you tracked down?
A GPS receiver doesn't transmit anything by itself.
It's just listening for the satellites' data signal that contains a timing code and information about the satellites' current orbits. Once it picks up the signal from some satellites, it can determine its position relative to them from the difference in the signal timing. With the satellites' orbits relative to Earth known, the receiver's coordinates on Earth can be computed.

I don't think it works very reliably anywhere near the Russian western border right now. The civilian signal's quite weak and not signed or encrypted in any robust way, so it's not very hard to overwhelm it with a spoofed transmission with wrong data (or just noise).
The jamming/spoofing has been happening as far as Finland, likely because the Ukies occasionally target St. Petersburg.
Well, it was sometimes happening even before 2022, but that was probably just Russians being Russians.

>>64204337
You are describing a DJI camera drones but you can build your own "Cinewhoop".

>>64200319
> british spelling of a word
> muh reddit

sod off

>>64204324
im guessing thats just for alignment because it's a linear directional antenna (maple wireless 2.4ghz linear) if you rotate it it will lose like 3db of reception. i had it on the exact radio radio advertised in their site (jumper t lite) but later bought a more powerful radio so i dont really use it.
generally for fpv drones you're gonna have video reception problems (5.8ghz circular-polarized transmission, the big round antenna) long before you have reception problems of the 2.4ghz control/telemetry signal (that you use to fly the drone and get back basic info like gps coordinates,battery voltage,orientation....). your control signal is like 50-500 kbps and your video signal is like 25-50 MBPS so one is far more suseprible to interruption than the other.

>>64204342
im pretty sure all starlink traffic is encrypted by default, even if you write a script to send a plaintext message to a given ip when it goes into the starlink radio it will be encrypted. and even if its not its fairly trivial to encrypt it.

>>64198707 (OP)
>pixhawk orange box
Whatever happened to the days of cheap Pixhawks? You used to be able to pick one up for $80 but now they're hard to find unless you want to go for the $400 "Orange" cubes and similar.

These were supposed to be fucking open source hardware with standardized software that anyone could build.

>>64199259
>you can get alternatives with the same features for 50$-100$).
Where??? I haven't seen anything under multiple hundreds of bucks in the last three years.

>>64199264
>What are they putting general purpose SoC computers in drones for?
Why wouldn't they? The Pixhawk is practically designed to be used in tandem with a secondary SBC like the Pi. In fact there were specific Pixhawk models that were produced as "hats" for the various Pi's, including one especially for the Pi Zero. (I'm still pissed off at the fuckers who made those. I tried to buy a stack of them but they wouldn't deal with me. Then they quit producing them entirely.)

>>64205646
>>64205627
cant you just run ardupilot on regular flight controllers that people usually run with betaflight/inav these days? im pretty sure most are supported.

>>64199264
It's the CIA drone factories output, it's going to be akin to a usual Govt contract.
Expect Cadillac hardware lol

It's not being bought by poor hobbiests

>>64200405
>Tannerite shaped fragmentation charge
Do you even explosives, bro? None of what you wrote makes any sense.

>Tannerite
>shaped charge
pick one

>>64200239
RDX. I'd post the recipe but the mods always delete it and ban me whenever I do. But it's four ingredients, two of which are household chemicals that you probably already have, and the other two of which are easy enough for normies to buy.

>>64205659
yes you can.
i run my small planes on Omnibus F4, which are/were 20-30 bucks.
the difference is that even the OG Pixhawk was a F7 processor and, at least a real one, has 2mb flash so it can take a full featured build of ardupilot.
my FC is, like most BF FC, just an F4

>>64204703
the penalty for polarization mismatch, e.g. vertical to horizontal, is 20dB while linear to circular is 3dB

>>64199259
this is a leap in tech...

Saw a video last night with General Cherry Running Bambu Lab printed frames on standard 6s drone builds....skyzone goggles, diversity analog.....

isn't this a much more expensive and forward drone?

>>64208065
arent printed frames shit?
i tried PLA arms a few years back (pic related even found the file) and they flew but were fucking dogshit vibration/noise/harmonics wise compared to CF

>>64208156
The frame is a CF plate/CF tube, it's just the electronics box that's 3D printed.

>>64199264
>>64205683
>noo dont add 25$ Linux box to $$$$ project (motors+ESCs+starlink+chassis+battery+all that crap adds up)
>that lets you run pretty much any software you like
>including Python that is standard for fast prototyping and ML/AI stuff
>thats too wasteful
>sw engineer time is free, r&d iteration cycle time does not matter
you would do it with 555, wouldnt you

>>64198707 (OP)
all this fucking junk lying around in the soil for the next hundreds of years
hundreds added daily
nice 3 day smo

>>64209250
if it does its job its not junk

>>64209272
Found the guy with the fire fighting foam training center next to his city well.

>>64204300
>ai bros told us that is dead end because ai drones are on the horizon
I recall that the US had them tested by the Ukies and found that Captcha data sets did not contain enough images of russian tanks from a drone camera POV.

>>64210507
Asking with zero irony: couldn't they train this with images/videos made in Arma 3 or something? Like, with a drone-esque filter applied

>>64210598
I think they've tested and trained self-driving cars and various kinds of driver assist systems in Unreal Engine.
It's possible, but it's not exactly free training material either if you want things to be realistic.

>>64200239
Do you not have youtube or libgen in your country?

>>64199259
>a starlink (pic related)
Is this a mistake? Your image has something called a "herelink", but I can see nothing about starlink? Am I just blind?

>>64209230
>you would do it with 555, wouldnt you
To be fair, the Ukrainians finding some old stash of Soviet clones of the 7400-series and using them to blow up ziggers would be very soulful.

>>64198707 (OP)
>theyre already making ai models that handle noisy fpv video
just adding one Jetson board away

>using ArduPilot
nice, I even contributed so a few lines of my code help

>>64208156
>but were fucking dogshit vibration/noise/harmonics

Are these characteristics inherent to the material used, or can you use different geometries to alleviate the issues to a degree?

why do i ooze pre when i shit

>>64198707 (OP)
Whats the travel distance on these things? If its at least 50 miles i definitely want to build one to drop off a payload and make it back home at a press of a button
>inb4 what payload
unironically dildos onto this one guys front lawn

>>64212162
>unironically dildos onto this one guys front lawn
>dildo shaped lawn darts
Good man. Pro mode, spell out "cuck".

>>64212330
>>64212330
>Good man. Pro mode, spell out "cuck".
that might require too many trips, i could also airdrop HIV tests since they are free

>>64200319
>reddit spacing

>>64211645
my mistake i started writing the post about the starlink then i forgot about the image and added the image of the pixhawk orange cube.

the communication in this drone goes starlink -> raspberry pi 5 -> orange cube where the orange cube has a gyroscope and generates commands to control the power to each motor.

pic related is the starlink from the X thread i linked in op
>>64211682
are the versions of it for F405 worth a try? i have a 7 inch walksnail moonlight quad i could test it on ive only tried betaflight and inav on it.
>>64211816
yes its inherent to the material, in general the stiffer the better and carbon fiber is a good combination of strength, stiffness and light weight thats why virtually all quadcopters use CF for the frame. if you're interested look into this youtube channel
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-W7RzZ66eRo
this guy makes general FPV gear testing videos but he's known for his quadcopter frame company where all the frames are optimized for low/easily filtered vibrations if you want very smooth flying. all the vibration types in the video are happening at the same time during flight but are very weak (obviously exaggerated in the video). carbon fiber frames make all these vibrations higher frequency but very weak/low amplitude, you generally dont care if the arm flexes like 3 microns 900 times a second but if you use a plastic quadcopter frame the vibrations will be low frequency (say sub 100hz) and high amplitude (maybe in the milimeters) and the vibrations 'look' more similar to regular movements/turns you can make intentionally so its harder to filer out what's intentional movement and what's noise which makes the quadcopter go crazy.

>>64208156
Idk I have a few whoops with PLA frames no discernible difference to me

>>64212960
yes on a whoop your frame is so tiny and your engine frequencies are so high it doesnt matter but try that shit on a 5 inch quad or bigger its gonna fly like shit. the bigger the quad the more important this stuff is.

Can't you just easily jam these things? I don't see the point on the battle field.

>>64213404
>I don't see the point on the battle field.
Have you ever seen a soldier getting droned? They sometimes die.

>>64213427
Just jam the battle field so you can't remotely control those drones.

>>64213404
jam how
stalink is electronically steered and pointing upwards you're not gonna get good jamming gain on it unless you're above the drone

>>64213451
look, I don't care how you do it, just do it. Why do we even pay you?

>>64198707 (OP)
>xt30 power board
really cool post, how does it connects to starlink and manages the power needed to communicate with it??? how much power draw does the starlink transmitter uses?? most high power radio transmitter use around 3 watts i cant believe that kind of power enough to communicate with space when that kind of power often has a max range of 15 km to a land receptor

>>64198707 (OP)
>you can order right now on aliexpres
hahaha for real, chinese companies are the real winner in this war since they supply both sides.
heres a "practice" round with a functional detonator for drones

https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/High-Sensitivity-Impact-Trigger-Type-Drone_1601469850146.html?fromPlat=buyer_ops&mt=mail&crm_mtn_tracelog_log_id=104366744805&crm_mtn_tracelog_task_id=push-task_83824&crm_mtn_tracelog_template=2000114762&crm_mtn_tracelog_creative_id=36015&as_token=vs2%2BWqPxELWqN2l%2FD4ZafSr5mlP3yYaH7EwGRSpsh4Es7dvf&to=felipenpipe%40gmail.com&from=noreply%40email.alibaba.com

>>64213435
>He said it, it must be easy.

>>64213468
you can just connect most batteries to a starlink and it's power board will handle it. it takes ~40w to run apparently

and yea most fpv drones these days use 250-1000 mW for the control link and 25-500mW for the telemetry going back via elrs but we're talking about hobbyist short range stuff.

>>64213483
>it takes ~40w to run apparently
of course they arent using hobbyist tech , but that kind of power needs big batteries and those really are limited by physics, it great for observation and maybe use as a signal repeater but i dont see that build carrying any type of weapon because of weight limitations.
still impressive, from dji to starlink portable drones in 2 years, this war was really entretaining to follow from a tech/military history pov

>>64213498
40w is nothing for even a small quad. my 7 inch quad takes 250w cruising at 1/3 throttle. the quad in OP is x30+ times bigger

>>64213517
im not drone expert only know basic stuff but its not only the 40W power draw, its also the starlink system added weight and the batteries to support it weight that add more power consuption of the motors that also require now more power, hard to also add warheads to that jhust saying

i cant wait until they develop massive carrier drones that work also as signal repeaters and use them to carry lots of smaller fpv drones to strike deep inside enemy territory, it would be cool.

>>64213517
>x30
oh just saw the specificatios of the power distribution system, yea, 90 amps continuous per motor is pretty masive

>>64213062
That’s true, thankfully on a 5 inch quad your frame is a negligible cost compared to your flight controller, motors, esc and battery

On a whoop a $25 carbon fiber frame can cost more than your AIO Board, camera and motors

So on smaller drones for sure 3D printed frames are perfectly viable.


Russia also seems to be using printed frames on their drones to some success

>>64213548
tiny CF frames arent that expensive tho. when i got my mobeetle it came with both a plastic and a carbon fiber one. flies amazing on the CF frame especially outdoors.

>>64200319
Is that... English? Aaaah I'm going insane help me niggerman!!!!

Kill yourself you fucking jeet subhuman.

>>64204360
>Russia and China should shot them down.
If they want the US to stomp them flat, sure, lmao.

>>64204300
>>64210507
>>64210598
>>64210639
>ai training
>ai targeting
>ai target recognition
Why not just simple contrast seeking camera system like on the walleye?
https://youtu.be/cPgVsz_TnkE?t=2059
It did not know what a tank was but it knew what a black and white pixel was and could stay locked on it. It was accurate enough you could hit the window of a building or strike the same whole from a previous walleye missile.

Just imagine this scenario
>FPV drone with fiber optics or no fiber
>operator see a target
>operator locks on to the target
>Drone auto flies straight into the target in a straight line, does not matter if wire gets cut or jamming kicks in, the camera on the drone locked onto a pixel of the target.

Have no one done anything like this? Just give it a simple logic behavior like walleye?

>>64211942
You have too much internal bodyfat and dehydrated you're hardpacked poop is crushing your prostate

>>64211942
wtf