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Update on my 30-06 reloads. I took some out this morning, same 47 grain charge of Accurate 2520 and I used CCI 200 primers instead of Ginex primers. Still had the same issues, still getting 2-4 “click bangs” per clip. So I think the powder just isn’t filling the chamber enough to get good ignition. Bummer. But I did some googling and I see N135 works well for the Garand and it’s a stick powder, so it fills up the case well. So I’m going to buy a jug of that and try that now.

>>64200244
Powder isn’t filling the case*, not chamber.

>>64200291
I need a Sweede Mauser.

>>64197958
>>64197973
you can in fact possess/own a long gun before you turn 18, it just has to be gifted to you
t. gun owner since the ripe age of 14

>>64199379
nice, but you should replace the barrel and make it an SBR now that it'll be free to do so
i'm almost finished with my own suomi kit and thats my plan, but i'm gonna rust blue it instead of parkerizing it like tnw does

>>64200244
were you getting pierced primers? light strikes?

>>64200691
No. All of these rifles have worked just fine with my previous reloads using CCI 200 primers and IMR 4064. I was trying to find a substitute for IMR 4064 since it’s impossible to find now and it has skyrocketed in price. I really think there just isn’t enough volume in the case to make an instant ignition, which is quite surprising. I had a powder charge in the case and held it almost horizontal and I could see the primer flash hole.

About a year ago I made some reloads using Accurate 2520 for my Madsen M47, and I noticed an ever so slight “click bang” with those reloads, but I just attributed it to the primers, since the primed brass I used had been sitting in a plastic bag for a good 6 years or so. So I thought maybe the primers were starting to go bad. Now I realize it must have been because of the 2520 powder just isn’t filling the case enough.

>>64200691
>>64200838
I should note in case you didn’t see it at the end of the last thread, 4 rifles were experiencing this little issue, and all 4 worked fine with reloads using IMR 4064.

>>64200387
get a krag in 6.5

>>64200838
>>64200843
thats weird that it would just be the powder alone thats giving you the hangfires.

>>64200244
>So I think the powder just isn’t filling the chamber enough to get good ignition.
That's bizarre, I used 42 grains of 2520 for my Garand reloads and they all rain great. Used Ginex primers too.

>>64200244
>>64200291
shred cotton balls to fill up the extra space and keep the powder stacked on the primer. will also prevent overpressure spikes from underloaded rounds.

>>64201018
>>64201142
That’s the only thing I can think of is the volume of powder in the case. These primers have always worked fine for me, and the powder has worked fine in other calibers. I’ve never experienced anything like this with any reload, using any other powder or primer.

>>64201872
whats going on with that hardballer

>>64200843
>>64200838
Switch to mercuric primers then use Unique and mix it with match head shavings. Should do the trick.

>>64199477 (OP)
A nice Lubeck made K43 with the Durofol handguard is one of my dream rifles, I just wish they weren't so damn expensive.

>>64202819
Several went "cheap" this spring. the prices on them are a bit in flux, if you diligently follow online auctions you could get lucky.

>>64202657
its got a 2 inch compensator bushing. it has the recoil of a 9mm now.

>>64202819
Yeah man I really want one of these as well
ngl I think I want a Gewehr 41 a bit more. I know people say to never shoot one but I shoot a couple hundred rounds through all my guns each year (especially if its corrosive ammo cause I always shoot enough of it to make the clean up worth it) so I would definitely break that unspoken rule. Would be fine shooting clean ammo but I have 900 rounds of 70's Yugo and a can full of pre war german SMK bullets.
>>64202867
I was trying to get one on some gun forums but the guys make it too much of a hassle so I might end up just waiting till Tusla (Will Probably have more money to spend by November as well)

>>64202995
sweet. I should be at Tulsa in Nov as well. I'll keep an eye out. 2 blasts of the fog horn and you'll know theres a reasonably priced Luebecker nearby

>>64203008
There is gonna be one in row 26A at Tusla (at least there should be) but I'm gonna pass on it cause I've already gotten a look at it. Has a crack along the wrist going from the tang to the underside of the rifle but it does have a scope and mount for it.

>>64203014
wood crack or receiver crack?

if its just a wood crack thats literally not a big deal, use it as a haggling point, get it and glue it.

>>64202761
>>64201242
>>64201142
>>64201018
>>64200691
Update. I wanted to eliminate the primers as a potential cause of the hangfires. So I loaded up some rounds trusty IMR 4064 and used both the CCI and Ginex primers. Every round I fired went off just fine. So it’s definitely powder related. I’m just going to abandon the idea of using Accurate 2520 for my Garands. It seems to work just fine in .308 and a couple other calibers I’ve used it for.

I did some research and have a jug of N135 powder on the way.

>>64203028
Wood crack

https://files.catbox.moe/yg77ye.png

I might try and get it then but idk. I'm more keen on getting the exact one that hits all the bells and whistles for me. I think he wanted $5500 or $6000 but he originally had it up for $8000 cause he didn't really want to sell it (would've bought it there but I couldn't get 2 grand out of the ATM and I had driven 3 hours to the gun show)
Also Alpfeltor is retired so idk if I can even get a good shooters kit now

Argentine had a bad crack in the wrist, longitudinal to the grain

>>64203062
there was another couple companies making kits, granted you had the drill the plugs yourself :-/
Ill dig through my parts drawer, I might have a spare shooters kit

>>64203048
>No.4
I hate being so broke with so much shit to pay for before guns because I still occasionally see those things mummy wrapped

>>64203092
https://www.frontline-militaria.com/g43-shooters-kit-gas-system.html
I think this one right here is the only real competitor but it doesn't have the customizability you can get with Apfeltor. I was planning on asking him to make one that just disables the gas system to make clean up a bit easier and so I don't fly through my ammo
If you do have a shooters kit I'd be willing to buy it at Tusla but thats if I get a Gewehr 43 (Like I said might get a 41 instead plus I'd need to find one AND it has to be a reasonable price along with a whole bunch of other stuff)

>>64202867
>Several went "cheap" this spring. the prices on them are a bit in flux, if you diligently follow online auctions you could get lucky.
I've been looking off and on for one though I was made aware of a Gewehr 41 that might be coming up for sale locally a few months back, so I figured I'd hold out and save for that one since 41s are far less common.
>>64202995
>Yeah man I really want one of these as well
>ngl I think I want a Gewehr 41 a bit more. I know people say to never shoot one but I shoot a couple hundred rounds through all my guns each year (especially if its corrosive ammo cause I always shoot enough of it to make the clean up worth it) so I would definitely break that unspoken rule. Would be fine shooting clean ammo but I have 900 rounds of 70's Yugo and a can full of pre war german SMK bullets.
If you're going to spend over $5k on a German semi auto, just shoot some non-corrosive ammo through it. You'd be better off not having to worry about missing a spot while cleaning and having something corrode on a rifle like that.
>>64203062
>I might try and get it then but idk. I'm more keen on getting the exact one that hits all the bells and whistles for me. I think he wanted $5500 or $6000 but he originally had it up for $8000 cause he didn't really want to sell it (would've bought it there but I couldn't get 2 grand out of the ATM and I had driven 3 hours to the gun show)
>Also Alpfeltor is retired so idk if I can even get a good shooters kit now
That's a fair price provided it's not sanded and the optic is an original scope. Original mounts alone are going for $2k these days and the original mounts are harder to find than the scopes.

>>64203101
>>64203102
yea, I definitely have some spare plugs at least, so even if you find one with a shooters kit already installed, sans plug, I can give you a solid plug. I usually do the solid plug / bolt action thing on the nicer 43s and my Itajuba to save the wear n tear. I do have a beater one I shoot semi auto.

G41 mogs all of them though, it is a much better range toy.

>>64203102
>If you're going to spend over $5k on a German semi auto, just shoot some non-corrosive ammo through it. You'd be better off not having to worry about missing a spot while cleaning and having something corrode on a rifle like that.
Yeah thats what I was thinking. I don't have any experience cleaning out corrosive ammo from semi autos (I'd probably just dump water on into the gas block then spray it white with balistol). I'm fine with buying clean ammo but holy shit its hard to spend $1.20 per bullet on clean ammo when you get surplus from .20-30 cents per bullet.
>That's a fair price provided it's not sanded and the optic is an original scope. Original mounts alone are going for $2k these days and the original mounts are harder to find than the scopes.
Looking back at my pics and video's the stock did look sanded but the scope might be original since it had the sun shade and he said he got it off a boomer who's friend brought it back from the war.
>>64203119
> I usually do the solid plug / bolt action thing on the nicer 43s
Yeah thats what I was thinking. Make it a bolt action and spend more time shooting the same amount of ammo and extend the life of the gun by a LOT since nothing is getting banged around

Also by chance do you know how sealed the thing that pushes the op rod back on the G41 is? I was watching a guy take on apart and it looked so closely sealed that It makes me think it's easier to clean than G43

>>64203134
both are very easy to clean, that shouldnt be a concern, but yea the G41 gets less fowling in the chamber area, but instead you're cleaning the gas trap so theres no real time saved

>>64203185
I always figured if I had a g41 I'd throw the gas trap section in a tub of hot water then just water and balistol the threads.
Hopefully I'll own one soon. Probably can only afford to spend 6-7 thousand on one but that should still get you something really good I imagine (although trying to find a boomer that has one and isn't trying to rape the price is probably gonna be harder than getting the money)

I need to upload my phone pix to my pc

>>64203185
>both are very easy to clean
Now I can't expect you necessarily can, but would you say it'd be easy to care for in the field?

>>64203209
>phone pix
Mine all turn 90 degrees for some reason

>>64203209
Damn all of those looks nice
One right below the top and the one at the bottom both look amazing
Dare I ask are you willing to bring them to Tusla?
>>64203220
Yeah it always does that for some reason at it annoys me

>>64203119
>yea, I definitely have some spare plugs at least, so even if you find one with a shooters kit already installed, sans plug, I can give you a solid plug. I usually do the solid plug / bolt action thing on the nicer 43s and my Itajuba to save the wear n tear. I do have a beater one I shoot semi auto.
>G41 mogs all of them though, it is a much better range toy.
Good to know, where'd you manage to find an Itajuba? Those things are quite rare from what I can tell.
>>64203203
>I always figured if I had a g41 I'd throw the gas trap section in a tub of hot water then just water and balistol the threads.
>Hopefully I'll own one soon. Probably can only afford to spend 6-7 thousand on one but that should still get you something really good I imagine (although trying to find a boomer that has one and isn't trying to rape the price is probably gonna be harder than getting the money)
I hope I don't have to go up against you if the one I'm looking at ends up going to auction. I hope you can find something in Tulsa though, given how big a show it is.

>>64203258
>I hope I don't have to go up against you if the one I'm looking at ends up going to auction. I hope you can find something in Tulsa though, given how big a show it is.
Nah I cant afford one right now lol and even then I could only do it if I got one without taxes and/or auction fee's
I will say I have a memory of seeing a Gewehr 43 at Tusla but it was as I was leaving and I only glanced at it so hopefully I can find one granted they dont all get taken when the dealers are setting up (which I might not need to worry about since I might split a table with some friends)

Only issue about this whole thing is I'm not 21 so unless its a private dealer that owns one I cant walk out with it that day and I'll need to get it sent to my FFL which will add 2 weeks ontop of however long shipping time is cause I've never been lucky with my background checks passing early

Last fall a guy at Tulsa had like 7 G41s under his table and none of them were for sale

>>64203290
Yeah yikes I fucking hate people who do that shit.
He probably scooped em all up on friday
I saw a guy with 6 Type 2's doing the same thing in april and he made fun of me for not having the money to buy one but jokes on him I have a fully matching (besides bolt) type 2 that I got for $1650 so he can shove those $4,500 Type 2's up his ass

>>64203290
This is one of the reasons why gun show are going to shit, it would be ok for learning purpose such as this for educational reasons but if you are just sitting on a chair all day to waste people to time whether or not it is for sale.

I spent like $2500 last tulsa and half of that was on a bavarian general officers picklehaube. Saw lots of stuff i wanted but everything was triple retail value

That savage Enfield was missing parts too

>>64203288
>Nah I cant afford one right now lol and even then I could only do it if I got one without taxes and/or auction fee's
>I will say I have a memory of seeing a Gewehr 43 at Tusla but it was as I was leaving and I only glanced at it so hopefully I can find one granted they dont all get taken when the dealers are setting up (which I might not need to worry about since I might split a table with some friends)
You'd have better luck there than anywhere else. There was a table that had around 25 G/K43s for sale a few years back though they got snatched up pretty quick. You could always try Show of Shows too, think that's in January next year.
>>64203290
>Last fall a guy at Tulsa had like 7 G41s under his table and none of them were for sale
Reminds me of the Not for Sale Luger Carousel at my local show, just there to show off rather than do anything else.

>>64203350
I gotta drag my ass to Tulsa someday.
I make a pretty good cleanup at the January Vegas Show every year so im not THAT desperate, but it would be neat to see it.

I also like the January Vegas show cause we always get drunk and swap badges with randos for Shot Show and World of Cement

>>64203399
Hopefully I can find some stuff like that, this will be my 3rd time going, first time (November of last year) I started on the first floor and skimmed a lot of the 2nd but did the reverse back in April
I will say in April I saw a table with about 100 Finnish Mosins which was pretty wild and right near that guy was a dude that was selling 2 400 round ammo cans of 8mm Mauser for $100 so I hope that guy is there again (only bought 1 and it was 3/4th pre war German SMK)
I remember telling someone that I was shooting a bunch of that pre war stuff and they told me to stop cause it’s rare and expensive but idk lol (it’s made to be shot anyways)
>>64203415
I want to try to go to both of those shows but the “show of shows” is 8 hours away and Vegas is 20 and I don’t have cases to put them in safely so they’d get dinged up in flight
Also god damn I want one of those Pederson rifles someday, maybe I can have one within 10 years if my Pilot degree works out and I get a job at an airline

>>64203428
This is how I feel also with Vegas vs Tulsa. Vegas is a 1 day drive vs 3/4 day drive to Tulsa for me. Same, I would never cleanout at a major show and trust the airlines so at a minimum im driving to everything.

> I want one of those Pederson
IIRC they were $50k so maybe get a few years of those pilot checks first

>>64203452
Nah there is 2 on gun broker for less than 25k
>get a few years of those pilot checks
I know a guy who’s 27 and got an 80k car with the left over money from a couple pilot checks last December and he’s already payed it off which is fucking insane

>>64203471
>Nah there is 2 on gun broker for less than 25k
You know what. I looked at my pic more closely, and then the listing you mentioned.
They are the SAME rifle. The Pederson carbine in my pic is the same one in that GB listing for $24,950

https://www.gunbroker.com/item/1111447714
>#R43476

Same number on the tag. ENHANCE

What's the most duplicates of one model you own and how do you know which duplicates to get rid of /msg/?

Can you put a scope on any surplus rifle without bubbaing then

>>64203756
Lugers, gew98s, enfields. I've sold and traded a few redundant ones just to make space

>>64203756
>What's the most duplicates of one model you own
M1903.
>and how do you know which duplicates to get rid of /msg/?
When they no longer spark joy.

>>64203415
>I gotta drag my ass to Tulsa someday
No you don't. The boomer fudd prices are through the fucking roof at every single table. That show basically reaffirmed my decision to avoid gunshows and celebrate their slow extinction.
>t. went to Tulsa in 2023

>>64205006
I also don't attend gun shows anymore but i make an exception for Tulsa. There are deals/ fair prices to be had but you really need to walk the whole show to find them. Its frustrating that 90% of the good stuff is overpriced or NFS (or fake, some of the finn mosins the other anon mentioned were suspect) , but finding that 10% is worth it. I brought home some cool rare stuff that id never seen before and i didn't spend that much money.

>>64200387
Where was this photo taken?

>>64205023
>some of the finn mosins the other anon mentioned were suspect
Ahh yes, the crisp SA stamp on a 91/30 with shitty cold blue covering it up. I've saved a handful of guys from falling for that.

>>64205350
The 20 or so I had looked at were all M39’s and they seemed legit but I wasn’t looking them over super carefully so who knows

I saved a guy a week ago from spending 8 grand on an Icehouse DP-28 and the guy selling it got pissed at me

>>64199477 (OP)
Why is all the stuff in this thread 20th century stuff? With all you Americans why are there no charlevilles or enfield p1853s?

>>64205023
>fake Finn Mosins
What the fuck? Isn't it harder to find a non-Finn in the first place

>>64205470
>>64205652
I was referring to the table with the trials sniper 1 of 100 and other rare variants, i sent pix to an expert i know and he said a couple of them were highly suspect.

I did really dig the porkchop though, and i believe this one was one of the real ones, but i mostly forgot what was what

>>64205621
>Why is all the stuff in this thread 20th century stuff?
Because it's a lot more common. I'd like to get an 1861 Springfield one day but it's a bit too long for my current storage and they seem to be concentrated on the east coast.

>>64206039
very nice you can see the french lineage in it#d line and Châtellerault as well. Good condition too. Genuine and nice. I salute you.
>>64206018
>Because it's a lot more common.
At this point a lot fo the 20th century stuff is selling at the same price as the earlier eras as quality percussion pieces crap like Nazi mausers and sniper variants at a match for the really nice stuff like marksmans rifles and older good flintlocks.

>>64205621
>why are there no charlevilles or enfield p1853s?
Someday I will. I like shooting black powder a lot.

>>64205006
>No you don't
Yes I do. as the tripfag says below your post, I share the same opinion. I view gunshows as good people watching at bare minimum and a fun outing. while yea 80% is either junk or beyond my price range the 20% more than makes up for it when I find something I like for a good price or absolute great finds/steals. I experience it in Vegas every year and it being a Vegas trip itself makes it worth it there too.
Although tbf I have no idea what else I would due whole in Tulsa. Maybe I should go to the April one? best chance of getting a tornado maybe? never been around one of those.

>pic rel
my best find at the Vegas show this year was the Lee Navy Bayonet for $800

>>64203797
i put this repro zf41 on my kar98k. just swaps the rear sight ramp so its not permanent.
theres also various picatinny rails that swap onto rear sight bases but that seems pretty bubba despite not being a permanent modification

Ah fuck, I wanted to get one of these soon. Guess I gotta wait a year or two.

>>64207145
the retard train already left the station on those long ago.
I cannot fathom how they managed to find over an hour of content for this video.

>>64203756
Nugget and Mauser 93.

Poorfag pride!

>>64203797
They make rear chinesium sight rails for mosins and mausers of pretty much all models. Both janky leaf rails and whole sight block rails.

>>64205181
Guessing Wyoming/ montana

>>64207254
>>64207145
>I cannot fathom how they managed to find over an hour of content for this video

Its a Type 99, but longer. Thank you and dont forget to like and subscribe to my 4chan posts.

>>64205621
You have to get into the discord for the premium blackpowder content

>>64205621
>hy is all the stuff in this thread 20th century stuff?
every gun in this pic >>64203756 was made in the 19th century

Anybody got the QRD on the $200 Chinese Tokarevs PSA has right now?

https://palmettostatearmory.com/chinese-tokarev-type-54-military-c-r-eligible-4-5-7-62x25-mm-8rd-pistol-good-used-surplus-condition.html

Overall it looks like the best deal on a beater-tier but proven reliable handgun I've seen in a very long time. I don't even see Hi-Points that cheap in my area nowadays.

I know Tokarevs might not be the most amazing handguns but I've been around long enough to remember when they used to frequently be recommended on /k/ as a good poorfag CCW/self-defense option back when they regularly went for this $200 price or below and the ammo was cheaper and easier to source.

Reviews and feedback I've seen for this current batch from PSA say that while they're listed as NRA Good condition, there's a lot of variance in the condition of what people have actually received but no reports of people getting anything completely unshootable or irreparable beyond one review saying the barrel bushing was missing from the one they got which is a cheap and easy fix.

Basically, Chuck this or Sneed this for $200, /msg/?

>>64207145
I am sorry, but the school gimmick wore off about 5 minutes into the K31 episode.

>>64208805
>Buying surp from PSA
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=wixynJCGQq4&pp=ygUqc29tZXRpbWVzIG1heWJlIGdvb2Qgc29tZXRpbWVzIG1heWJlIHNoZWV0

>>64199477 (OP)
OP what is bottom gun?

>>64209602
OSS Garand

>>64208805
They have really shitty banner logos on this batch, tokarev is very good though. These are okay and a decent price. Mine had a new barrel in it and the trigger safety at least makes up a bit for the stupid import mark.

What should I be paying for a refurb 1903a3?
Non bubba and the barrel seems nice.

>>64209945
$700 is fair. $1K is too much IMO.

>>64209602
M1941 Johnson rifle. AR-15s grandpa.

>>64207145
I have to end the video the second he gets Mae on. And because of forever alones on reddit she takes up half the episode whining about a rifle not having a semi pistol grip.
It went downhill the moment it got popular. Same with British muzzleloaders, he became unwatchable too

>>64210329
>British muzzleloaders, he became unwatchable too

>>64210385
Yes, so much reddit-tier campy bullshit. He was a lot better when he wasn't constantly trying to be funny or punny

>>64210235
How many Johnson Rifles are out there? How hard or easy are they to acquire?

>>64210329
>>64210656
It’s British Houmour; you wouldn’t understand.

>>64210754
Not enough, it was underappreciated in its day

>>64209357
Othais has been going downhill for a while. Even since he got rid of ambient music that plays in the light box, or he's telling the story, or shooting part, is the moment I stop watching. That's the little shit like that makes a video, not dressing up like a dork in a pretend classroom.

>>64210844
Yeah. Its cringe and gave me the ick.

Anyone have any experience being in the CMP and getting a Garand that way? Is there any advantage to doing that rather than finding one on the open market? (I'd guess maybe some training from being in a CMP club)
Also, I guess they're making M1 Garands now, that's a thing
https://thecmp.org/m1-garand-by-cmp/
>1900 USD

>>64210883
It's a slow process but it beats getting scalped by a boomer selling one for 3X the price

>>64210883
You can get experts for like $1000 I think if you order from the CMP and if your lucky they’ll resell for $1500 but boomers jack em up to $2,000 trying to pass them off as unissued perfect condition Garands cause they are either greedy or stupid and actually believe themselves

>>64200600

I was given my first gun at 10. It was a hilariously small .22 rifle which was perfect size for a child but as an adult I can literally use it like a handgun. I keep it more for sentimental value than actual use because of how hilariously small it is

>>64210754
>How many Johnson Rifles are out there?
Not enough, though they aren't totally unobtanium.

>How hard or easy are they to acquire?
Easy enough if you have the dough. There's a couple for sale on GB right now. Unfortuanantly, they've exploded in value recently due to America + AR-15 relation + Garand competitor + being pretty fuckin cool.

>>64211115
>$6000
>$12000
>$21000
holy fucking shit

>>64210883
It's pretty easy if you can handle some boomer paperwork. Just get a Garand magazine subscription and C&R and you're good to go. Basically the only way to get a Garand without getting raped by the boomer menace. They even shipped the rifles to my door despite being in California.

>>64211146
No one's buying Johnsons at those prices thankfully. Just typical Jewbroker slop. Though only the middle one in this picture is in "original" condition.

>>64211184
>only $4,500
Shit I though these things ran 8-10 grand I might buy one now
Are they like the Garand and need M2 ball or can you shoot whatever 150 grain bullet you want through them?
Also holy fuck I have so many retardedly expensive guns I want now. I’m now split between a Johnson rifle, an SMG FG42, and a Gewehr 41 with the money to only get one

>>64211208
>an SMG FG42
Not him but one of my white whales is an FG42 Repro.

>>64211328
Unfortunately if I’m being honest I probably can’t afford any of them right now. If I didn’t have to pay premiums and tax maybe but even then I’d still have no ammo for them. But who knows maybe I get lucky on them and I’m able to get it (I can’t imagine how hard it’d be to clean an FG-42)

>>64211146
they've been all over the place the past two years.

there are post war commercial ones that are cheaper, the ones in >>64211184 that went under $6k have commercial parts

>>64211208
they are shootable, though I recommend getting a spare spring bar thingy for the reciprocating barrel, thats the weak point on the gun and you get can replacements for like $45 (at least you used to, haven't looked in awhile).

Plus with the M41 the mag will feed ANY full size rimless cartridge, so you can quick swap the barrel and shoot different calibers. Unfortunately since the gun flopped commercially due to cheap surp available post-war, not a lot of the spare barrels were made/sold so theyre rarer than the guns. I picked up a 7mm mauser one for $2200 and lost an auction for an 8mm mauser one that went for $4k (just for the barrel).

>>64211409
>Unfortunately since the gun flopped commercially due to cheap surp available post-war, not a lot of the spare barrels were made/sold so theyre rarer than the guns. I picked up a 7mm mauser one for $2200 and lost an auction for an 8mm mauser one that went for $4k (just for the barrel).
Brings me to a Question I've asked before but never really got a straight answer to; is there any place that archives the technical specifications of these old machines?
Theoretically, if you had those, you could make (or commission someone to make) your own parts.
Not saying I want to become a full gunsmith but as someone who is a machinist I have to wonder if making your own new parts wouldn't be better in certain cases if you actually want to keep these old girls shooting.
>inb4 Ship of Theseus and whether or not the guns are still milsurp
To me, preservation means that it's representative of the thing you're preserving, including functionality.

>>64211665
some stuff has 3D models on printing sites/forums that were made in CAD by hobbyists, there are some public facing patent search websites that have drawings and dimensions.

Don't know of any central repository for that type of information. but I agree, its ridiculous how easy it is to 'lose knowledge' for technology in the modern era. It's somehow easier to create a new thing than to build new copies of old tech. Like when the Army wanted to buy the A-10 fleet from the Air Force and commission new airframes, but the USAF wouldnt release them and cannot build more because the original factory doesnt exist and they dont have a 'trained workforce' that knows how to put them together.

>>64211208
>>64211328
>>64211397
i have an ssd made fg42, its aight but its replicated right down to the black paint that chips easily

>>64209357
So basically the same as buying surp from most online retailers that don’t specialize in it then.

>>64209367
So basically the typical experience buying surp and C&R guns online from most retailers that don't specialize in it then?

>>64209938
Heard the trigger safety makes the trigger pull significantly worse but we'll see I guess.

I don't care that much about the banner logo or it being in perfect pristine condition as long as it's serviceable to shoot and not so crusty that I can't clean it up myself.

Best case I get a fun beater gun and that will appreciate in value if I hold it. Worst case I do what I can to clean it up myself and flip it used for a significant profit since the market and prices for surp at brick & mortar stores in my area is ridiculous so people will buy anything surplus that isn't completely trashed for some crazy prices around here.

>>64212087
>Heard the trigger safety makes the trigger pull significantly worse
I don't know if I'd say significantly worse, but definitely noticeable. Good news is you can still find Polish surplus triggers for them relatively easily, Apex has some in stock now, and swapping a Tok trigger is braindead simple. Worthwhile part to swap for my Type 54 I think, felt much nicer to shoot.

Girlfriend just bought this to mog my Ljungman, is this the case?
Also where to find spare parts and/or bayonet?

>>64212087
Better a replaced trigger than a stupid perma safety.
Get it, it's a great pistol

>>64212628
How much money does a gf run these days? They still unobtainanium?

>>64212628
Enough girlfriend talk. Tell us about the cat

>>64212628
nice pussy

>>64212628
if your GF actually bought a Rasheed she needs to be your wife.

Post more pix of that cat.

>>64212628
>tfw no gf that'll mog all my gun purchases by buying a rarer and more expensive variant

>>64213182
>>64213145
>>64212628

>>64213355
Oh to be mogged this hard by a woman

>>64213355
double dubs of truth

>>64212628
the rasheed not having a charging handle was a wasted opportunity

You guys gonna take any of your milsurps into the woods this november?
I'm thinking about taking either my K31 or M/41b but not sure which (might just toss a coin each day)

>>64211869
That's pure sex right there.
>>64212628
Make a wife out of that gf, anon. Good luck finding a magazine for that Rasheed.
>>64213668
Don't know if I'm going hunting this year, IL has little public land and straight wall cartridge only so my Trapdoor and Rolling Block are the only ones that qualify.

>>64212628
>someone on this board has a gf
>someone on this board has a /k/ommando gf
>woman is based enough to like the Rasheed
fake and gay, you bought this for yourself didn't you

>>64214787
>anon is his own GF
if only life was so simple and easy

>>64215211
This is 2025 /k/, actually owning more than 1 surp makes you a 1%er

>>64205888
Prototype stuff is so poorly documented you would probably need to drag some 100 year old in to prove its provenance conclusively

>>64214787
The more likely explanation is a tranner "gf" but exceptions do exist

what's that, can you put a scope onit

thoughts

canyou use modern ammo in Swiss K31,K11 &1911 ?

>>64215392
I own a few prototypes, the documentation struggle is real

>>64215817
>>64215893
I think you're looking to be spoon-fed under the delusion that you're doing research

>>64216664
Just asking a question

Don't humor stupid questions 20 seconds on google could answer.

>>64216671
You're asking everything, fuck off you brainless retard. Try doing some research rather than have everyone tell you. You hold the sum of mankind's knowledge in your hands

>>64216679
Research... where? It's too niche for google.

>>64216701
"K31 information"
Yeah, that's a big brain activity right there

>>64216701
if google is to hard for you, try searching in youtube
https://youtu.be/vme90gayUzc?si=dFM1Jul4cjW4AVbI

>>64215817
You can put a scope on it but you’ll be incredibly less accurate than if you were to just use the iron sights
>>64216199
Any modern ammo is fine just don’t use modern ammo in the 1899 cause the pressures are to high

>>64216871
>incredibly less accurate than if you were to just use the iron sights
Whys..that? Weird

>>64216871
Why are you helping him

>>64216987
You're autistic and anti-social and want to drag everyone to your level.

>>64217032
No. Getting a gun/learning about them can be its own form of IQ test, and anon is failing hard. Frankly, I hope he never so much as touches a gun.
Way to prop up helpless stupidity while also wasting your time.

>>64216975
Cause the K31 is a nearly $2000 rifle when adjusted for inflation that was designed to fight in a war with a 1-3 friendly to enemy ratio and the scope you want to put on it is only like $500
>>64216987
I have nothing better to do but he should still be looking for this on his own. All his questions I found out in the passenger seat of my dad's car while we were driving to Tusla

>>64217042
What a stuck-up lead-brain retard boomer mindset. It's okay to help other people.

>>64217053
No, you're doing nothing more than enabling stupidity, or at least depriving the retard of the necessity of doing his own research

>>64217099
Just take the L and stop being an autistic loner.

>>64217108
>I say he lost which means he lost, don't I look cool guise?
Sure thing dude. If you love helping retards so much, group homes are always hiring

>>64217108
Stop talking like a nigger and promoting bad ideas

>>64208215
nice. I can't do discord I'm male and have no frock

>>64210821
I've watched enough A bit of Fry & Laurie, Blackadder, and Peep Show to understand Brit humor.
It's not British humor, it's reddit humor

>>64216658
Gras with a lee magazine?
Whats going on here?

>>64209357
Why the fuck did he change it? The small yellow room with the rifle racks stacked to the brim was peak comfy.

>>64217796
You either die a hero or live to be a villain. Every channel goes to shit once it gets big enough

>>64217756
add fast show and fawlty towers gud stuff

>>64217826
>>64217756
could add Ab Fab and Father Ted too

>>64217756
Well I like it, so fuck you.

>>64213355
>De Lisle
how often do these ever go to auction? super uncommon? I think someone was doing re-pros a few years ago.

>>64217779
Early 1885/6 trials rifle before the lebel was adopted

>>64217912
>super uncommon
around 120 were ever made so extremely rare. I think last one that was available was RIA a few years ago.
there are a bunch of repros floating around tho

>>64217858
>Father Ted
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-u28C3dF3Kc

>>64217779
>Whats going on here?
It's where France was heading in infantry rifle development before Boulanger fucked everything up.

>>64218117
i like how the actor was a staunch atheist but they gave him a catholic burial anyway

>>64214373
grandpappy showing that he's still got it

>>64217796
>being back in school again isn't peak comfy
You were bullied a lot, weren't you?

>>64205181
I live in Wyoming, very comfy.
>>64218438
>Ross MkIII
I wish mine wasn't fucked.

Anyone know if there’s a surplus market for police FN Model 1910s?

>>64218624
Go to the gun show in Gillette?

>>64218624
I'm not a leftist by any means, do you think Wyoming has a spot for me? I have no desire to change the preexisting culture

>>64218438
It's cold and clinical, and has the air of a lost bet

>>64218729
The one in November? probably not, that a long drive for me and I might be working that weekend.

>>64203756
Dumb question, but why own duplicates? I've been trying to get one of each gun I'm looking for, but haven't considered owning multiple.

>>64218642
Probably. Vintage FN in general is quite collectable.
>>64218741
>has the air of a lost bet
?

>>64218821
nta but you might find good deals on what you already have just from constantly searching the usual places
i definitely downsize on duplicates when i want to get something new in the collection

>>64218838
I say lost bet because Othais looks like a fucking dork
>t. fucking dork

>>64218821
if you like a gun enough you start to go after variations and examples in different conditions.

>>64218821
I dont get why folks get duplicates either but for the most part its as >>64218927 says, most the time it isnt someone (although sometimes it is) getting the exact same gun, but rather variants and/or different manufacturers

>>64218923
He looks serious now. Un-tucked flannelized behatted brodozers pontificating into a camera are pervasive in this field and a blazer & tie sets the show apart.

>>64219877
>it sets him apart
Yeah as an autistic faggot

>>64218738
Wyoming is full

>>64219877
>He looks serious now.
And I think changing a proven format for the sake of looking more "serious" leads to unhappy fans. It's not for the fans they have, it's for the fans they want.

>>64220594
he Cracker Barrel'ed himself

>>64220937
on that more wonder what would be the Cracker Barrel re-brand logo of the surp world?

>>64220937
>>64221463
Shit like this stands as proof to me that the kikes don't want us living in a vibrant world

>>64221463
Ramrod bayonets

>>64221463
>>64220937
>>64220594
Why do they do this shit?

>>64221479
>>64221484
nice, summoned the bot. Or accidental double post.

>>64221463
Magazine cut-offs
>here, heres a gun that you can load multiple rounds into the magazine
>nooooo you cant use all your ammo, cut that off! single load only! emergency use only!
>get that cut-off out of here we need as many rounds at the enemy as possible!

>>64221487
Nah I made a mistake and it bugged me

>>64219877
>He looks serious now.
But that's not him, watch the hand trap series and you'll see his true colors. I rather him be him than change for 5% increase in viewership, hell he went through 200 videos without the goofy setup, is he going to redo those videos as well?

>>64221616
>mfw you live to see Othias troon out and redo all of his old videos as "Ophelia"

>>64220026
>Othais
Yeah, looks even more like a cringe faggot redditor now. I like 9 hole reviews milsurp content and Mark Novak. Most of gun tube is incredibly gay now and has been so for some time.

>>64221944
I know a few small channels but you never give away your fishing spots

>>64221616
>is he going to redo those videos as well?
It wouldn't surprise me

>>64217811
Having watched the video, it is functionally identical to what they've been making before. No idea why anyone ITT who liked their old videos wouldn't like it. Baffles me that people get so upset about superficial changes. That said, Othais is still a retard for giving the worst reason I've ever heard for someone not liking Evangelion.

>>64222231
Enjoy I guess?

>>64222231
New experiences and stimuli is often painful to those with autism.

.303 was initially (though not planned to be) a black powder round; if I started reloading .303, could I use black powder out of a Rifle No.4?

More so asking this as a "what if" idea, idk if there's any real benefit, other than maybe being able to make black powder from scratch like some people do.

>>64222806
For .303 specifically it would be a more fun and historically accurate project to make your own Rifelite or Cordite.
If you want to fuck around with BP loads do some 45-70 stuff or get a percussion cap muzzle loader if you want be fucky with home made BP

>>64223479
Damn anon very nice!
If I ever need a source for literally any gun I guess I'll come to you and ask if your selling lmao

>>64223493
I have several im trying to get rid of to make space, some commercial guns, but for surp I have a 91/30 and a bubba'd Berthier and some bucket/parts guns and I think I still have a spare Gew98. I am entertaining offers on the Gras Lee but no one that wants it seems to have deep pockets. Surp adjacent I have a .410 Saiga.

>>64223479
enough rollercoasters for a theme park

>>64223550
>I am entertaining offers on the Gras Lee
what are you starting at? I know a guy who MIGHT be interested. ill come back to the thread and let you know if it might be a thing.

>>64223561
at least $3k, i need to double check how much I spent on it though. Trades are also welcome

>>64223629
ok. 3k isnt steep at all for him considering the collection he has. The whole Lee part of it would be the main draw for him. I'll be at his shop tomorrow and see if theres any interest, ill use >>64216658 pic too unless you have a different one . im assuming 8mm lebel?

>>64221501
It'd be interesting to seriously consider how things might've been like if they actually issued multiple (as in more than the compromise of 1+1) magazines to soldiers in the field.

I'm not sure if the evolution of the Lee-Metford / Lee-Enfield would've been that different, but still.

>>64223641
>>64223629
Also for clarity when I show him/as for interest. I see what appears to be a Kropatschek style bolt/safety on it? might be too early for 8mm so maybe 11mm?
just trying to get a script together to show and explain. He may also be very aware of the existence of said prototype so who knows.

>>64206822
How's it shoot?

>>64211409
these things are weirdly interesting to me, how many were even made for the commercial market? all i'm seeing is super vague "some country wanted an order but never got one" stuff

Thoughts?
https://youtu.be/qbAtVv4FnLY?si=XTVcqImieyL5YmkU

>>64211025
Post pic

>>64223550
What calibre is the Gras in? I'm just interested in an academic way because I'm both not that wealthy and in Europe

>>64213668
How much did you fork over for the m/41B?
Also, thinking of putting on a copy of the original scope mount on my m/38. Don't want to Bubba it too much, but the boomer who drilled it for diopter has already seen to that. Not sure if that excuses further permanent modifications, but I'm thinking about it.

>>64223969
11mm

>>64224719
11mm

>>64225033
>dies and brass exist for it
Goddamn