Thread 64202300

Oldschool edition

A bunch of slide threads pushed the last one off the catalog. Also, I have a question to start with, what prevents an FRT from causing an out of battery discharge? Is having the reset disengage at the end of bolt travel the only way, or is it possible for it to disengage before the bolt is all the way forward without causing an out of battery?

Is it legal? Yes! Unless you live in a cuck state.
https://www.atf.gov/firearms/rare-breed-triggers’-frt-15s-and-wide-open-triggers-wots-return

Distributors:
https://www.activesafetydesigns.com
https://atrius.dev
https://deeznutztactical.com
https://www.deltateamtactical.com
https://www.fittyactual.com
https://greymarketresearch.net
https://hoffmantactical.com
https://rarebreedtriggers.com
https://redactedarmsllc.com
https://www.tacswap.com

You've heard of FRTs, but what's a "super safety"?
>like an FRT, but a different mechanism (the safety)
>cheaper than an FRT
>$90-$120 for full drop-in kit
>3D printable or CNC (recommend stainless/4140)
>most are 3 position cross-bolt safety
>left is safe, right is semi, middle is fully semi-automic
>Atrius now shipping the only super safety that operates like a normal AR safety selector

How it works:
https://youtu.be/KIxsnh2fFTo [Embed] [Embed]

To make an AR-15 super safe you'll need:
>M16 style/"full auto" bolt carrier group
>H3 or H2 buffer weight (will do 600-750 rpm of 5.56)
>"low shelf" lower receiver
>SS
>any AR trigger so long as you give it an SS cut

Last thread:
>>64092475

Are there any ways to make the gun more controllable? Besides just getting used to it i suppose. Tried out my super safety today in an 11.5" and it was kinda wild. Just did short bursts since thats the ranges rule but even those went flying off target

>>64202300 (OP)
>M16 style/"full auto" bolt carrier group
Aren't the vast majority of BCGs sold today M16 carriers? Except Colt probably

>H3 or H2 buffer weight (will do 600-750 rpm of 5.56)
Can you adjust the gas or spring weight in-lieu of buffer weights?

>"low shelf" lower receiver
1. what to look for to determine what is a low shelf
2. what manufacturers sell low shelf by default
3. I assume you can mill out high shelf lowers, are there jigs for this like there are for 80%s?

Ordered the ASDesigns ARC system. Should do a 1000 round melt down with it at the end of the month.

>>64202386
People want to pretend that brakes aren't amazing for recoil because they don't want to deal with the noise. But they are.

>>64202564
I ordered one as well. While i hope that it works with my scar 17 with imperial arms kit and lower, im not holding my breath. If it doesnt, My DTT will go into the scar.

>>64202300 (OP)
I've seen a few plastic FRTs snap; when will they start making higher quality ones?

>>64202386
heavier gun significantly reduces recoil, so you really should be using atleast an m4 length upper
higher/slower firing rate is also better for accuracy than what you get in a stock AR, shoot for >800 or <600 rpm
muzzle brake as other anons have said aswell, but a compensator will probably work better by reducing muzzle climb

>>64202641
>>64202804
I usually shoot suppressed anyways so I think I'm good in terms of weight. I use a silencerco Velos and mount it to one of their ASR flash hiders, would mounting it to one of their ASR brakes instead do much? I'm also looking into that gyroscopic muzzle brake from Romeo Hotel as well since it would hypothetically be good for high rates of fire

Anyone know if the pakistani ordnance factory (POF) mp5 can be supersafetied. It has a little piece preventing the addition of a full auto sear but i dont know how this would effect an mp5 supersafety kit.

>>64202880
your suppressor is actually probably better because the back gassing will make the firing rate higher, and you have a pistol length gas system which should be making it even higher
the only other things that would make it quicker are buffer spring and bolt carrier choice
though you'll probably find diminishing returns at some point, so if its already fairly fast then going the opposite direction to slow it down might be better, i hear theres people who's FRTs shoot as slow as like a grease gun

Anyone make a 3 position ak frt trigger yet

>>64203496
The suppressor is a flow through so im not sure how much gas would be going back. I have an h3 buffer and flatware spring if that matters. Im trying to slow the rate of fire as much as possible to be more controllable, guessing its not possible with a barrel this short? I'll try it out on my 16" gun

The thin piece of steel seems very fragile.
Let's say ATF bans these at some point. I'm assuming the warranty goes out the window too?

>>64203623
I also want one

>>64203431
Yes, the denial block is less than the MKE or HK - the real question is will the parts fit and will it hold up - but they usually lean towards looser tolerances. They cam be sloppily assembled and have a worse finish than the MKE guns, but from what I've heard they generally run.
Later ones used ALOT of RCM parts like bolt and were better regarded.
If it's anywhere near the price of the MKE's I would pass tho

>>64203623
Still in development. IMHO it's looking like when it does come the selector will be independent of the safety - probably Galil like or push button

>>64206419
Noooo I hope not

>>64206419
I saw some posts where if you use a full auto safety and disconnecter you can get 3 positions,but that seems like playing with fire. Im looking to ss my m85 so I've already got a full auto selector
I just wish someone sold it all together

>>64206419
that would be interesting, i actually kind of prefer that idea to it just being on the safety selector, but hadn't someone already managed to convert a normal 2 position AK frt to 3 position? and isnt there a guide or something?

>>64202300 (OP)
Buy an illegal machine gun goy
Make a nice paper trail for us goy
Good goy stay domesticated

>>64203827
>fun = ban
Seems likely.
>>64210510
Stfu.

>>64210648
nazis lost get over it already

>>64210666
>Jewish post
>Satan trips

>>64210510
i've been on a list my whole life, i'll be on a list for the rest of it, but i'm gonna have some fucking fun with an frt at the very least

Would an FRT work with a 3 round cam for an M16?

>>64211899
>3 round burst
just get a binary trigger instead

i'm curious about the answer to the OP question aswell

>>64212099
>3 rnd burst
>binary trigger
>2 rnd burst
>just double tap, bro
>4 rnds
Math doesn't add up.

>>64212348
literally who cares, burst firing in general is just aids

You guys made sure to get the ARC system from AS designs right? Also freedomfingerfrt released a Taurus TX22 frt

>>64212567
after atrius shit the bed i'm waiting for the first wave of arcs to get tested
if it actually works i will buy one for my lima six

>>64210510
I bought mine with cash from niggers. You aint finding shit

>>64212348
NTA but pull, release, pull. Pause. Release, pull, release. Silly as fuck but you can kinda burst in groups of two. Or safety on after the first burst.

>>64212752
>owning a ligma six in 2025

>>64213029
more like 2026 with how long its probably going to take red right hand to get conversions done

>imagine paying money for the atrius selector
lol. lmao even.

>>64207346
It's practically a must, the safety on alot of US made and imported AK's is........sloppy - which means you may be on FRT mode unintended or get stuck in semi. If it's a push button it's straight forward and it's distinguishable from a F/A AK.
>>64211899
Quickest way to turn a legal frt into a illegal mg if it did

>>64203827
How could the ATF ban them at this point? They'd be admitting that they gave a company a free pass to manufacture illegal machine guns.

>>64213597
atf cant do shit, if they want them banned itll take an act of congress now

>>64213597
>>64213598
You underestimate the power of weaponized bureaucracy. The AFT would 100% do something quasi-legal to fuck you and I right in the bussy. They'd sell us out for a single corn chip. You don't hate the government enough

>>64202300 (OP)
Anyone have experience with this company?

>>64213603
i don't think there's an actual atf field agent within 50-100 miles of me, i do not fear them

>>64213607
I applaud your bravery and hope they never bother you

>>64213425
I almost considered it but they were charging sales tax to a state with no sales tax so I noped out.

>>64203623
You may have to pretend I'm a better technical writer than I am, and it may be lacking in pictures but maybe I'll make a better version later. Either way this is the basics of it. Hopefully you can make some sense of what I'm trying to say.

>>64207657
and as far as I understand since there's no autosear and there is no third hole it should in theory be just as legal as an FRT/SS, and if local or federal cops are looking at your gun close enough tot be pointing at your FA disconnector or safety chances are they were going to pin you with an illegal machine gun charge either way seeing as they kind of do whatever they want anyways. I am not your lawyer and this is not legal advice, try not getting arrested.

Has anyone heard of Advanced Reset Tech?
https://advancedresettech.com/gen-1-3-a-r-t-trigger-kit/

Bumping

>>64214711
Yes. IMHO avoid for now.
Both glock FRT's are seriously underdeveloped and very problematic. They produce the only 10/22 FRT and it's problematic as well - both are Forced Reset only.

Freedom Finger is blazing the trail with pistol FRT's they have a matured M&P 2.0 and TX22 FRT drop in g2g but also forced reset only. They have a selector switch model for the M&P about to drop, but they also do a Glock FRT and it's underdeveloped.
IMO glock FRT's aren't ready yet, and it's going to be an uphill battle because Glock FRT designers are trying to avoid making it look like a glock switch for obv reasons

>>64217091
I thought Glock FRTs aren't legal? I heard handgun FRTs in general aren't legal. Is this website not true?

https://www.tyrantcnc.com/blog/what-is-frt-glock-trigger

>>64217731
Glock FRTs are not covered by the rarebreed settlement (neither is the super saftey for that matter) so their legality is in a gray area. They're not machine guns by a strict reading of federal law, but the ATF could still try and prosecute you for it.

>>64217731
its a misreading of the lawsuit settlement
pistol FRTs aren't illegal, but its illegal for rarebreed to make them, and because rarebreed is supposed to sue everybody making FRTs over patent rights, they are theoretically de facto illegal to SELL because you'd be violating a patent right
however, rarebreed's patent is dogshit anyways because it was recently found out that the first FRT was patented in the 30s
so basically, they're legal

>>64217799
In the first place, doesn't that only apply to AR style FRTs? Like the whole one piece package type thing.

>>64217809
no, they've been suing over non-AR frts aswell, but it only seems to be when the same company is also selling AR frts
also they see the super safety as being covered by their patent, which is untrue
companies that sell frts for other guns seem to be untouched by them
its a giant mess overall until the courts make a proper ruling on frts, but so far the judges do not seem to be on their side

>>64217834
My attorney buddy has a theory that the Delta Team Tactical FRTs that Rare Breed was selling as part of the patent infringement lawsuit, were actually Rarebreed themselves. He has both a Rare Breed and a Delta and he says they are both 100% identical in everything except the Rare Breed stamp. He thinks they needed to fund their lawsuit with the ATF and made a new company to sell more FRTs during the case and that's why Delta Team didn't even put up a fight they just immediately ceded everything to Rare

>>64218105
>Delta Team Tactical
>new company

Nah dude they are different companies. DTT has been around for nearly 16 years. The reason they look identical is because they just copied their designs.

I’ve decided I want to get a couple Glock 17s 1 to put a Franklin armory binary kit in and the other put a FRT in. There’s a gun show coming up and I was considering taking a Ruger new vaquero that I got in a raffle for $35 and a colt mustang to trade towards two glocks. I’ve also considered adding a FRT to my AK but I would want something that still allows for normal use for public ranges. Are FRTs enough fun to be worth it?

>>64218148
I would just get a pull release trigger versus the Franklin Armory kit unless you get a deal on the complete slide kit. Sometimes they sell blems for around 400 on their website.

AK FRTs are not ready for primetime.

>>64217091
Kinda disappointing. Really want a Glock FRT so I can put it in a B&T chassis. $0 registration for SBRs next year and it'll be easily concealable during winter. Maybe even a single point sling...

>>64218148
Yes but Again, I'd wait because the glock FRT is shit RN.
The M&P is about to get a selectable FRT from freedom Finger that looks asimilar to a glocks switch.
Glocks will get a selectable FRT, but the Prevailing thought is to NOT make it look like the wish switch - ie either a push button on a cut frame or integrating a selector into the side of a new trigger

>>64218163
Well the whole reason I want the Franklin armory is the slide. I would gladly waste the money to get that slide selector switch but only if having a binary on a pistol is worth a damn in the first place.

>>64218194
Just get a blem then. The selector is a nice feature but considering I can get the pull release trigger for 120-150 I think the value in the slide is a bit weak. Best of luck to you, I think you will enjoy it either way.

If you are getting the slide I'd personally just try and find a glock frame or maybe a compatible frame versus buying a whole pistol just to strip off the upper for one of them, but if you wanted to curbstone the glock 17 upper you could get a pretty good price for it to offset the cost of the franklin armory slide.

Has there ever been a case of an FRT gun being used in a self defense scenario yet?

>>64218174
You're going to have to wait a bit then.
If you can't the good news is at least for now M&P 2.0's in 9mm/.40/.45 are economical to obtain.
That probably won't last when FFT's switch FRT drops - I expect a ton of chassis that are only Glock and P320 compatible to get M&P variants.

Glock is also pretty aggressive rn due to switches and the bad rep they create - they would absolutely sperg out over a switch like FRT

>>64218105
i've been able to pretty much copy the exact design Atrius has in freecad without even having one in my hand, if you gave me one of raregreed's triggers i would be able to do exactly what delta did

>>64218242
I just bought a Strike Industries Glock 19 frame, so I'm determined to go down that route. I can wait since I can get my FRT/SS fix from my ARs. But the temptation to carry a FRTized pistol is strong

>>64202300 (OP)
Called it. Delta team tactical were selling the rare breed without approval and had all theirs confiscated by rbt. Dtt won't be having any more. The RBT is the dtt. The dtt is the RBT.

>>64218230
Not yet, though I keep my SS AR9 handy just in case some unfortunate soul wants to make history

>>64218230
i wouldn't carry a pistol with an frt, but my main home defense AK has one
though there's the dilemma of whether its worth it to go deaf from unloading 30 rounds of 7.62x39 indoors

>>64218226
Like I said I only want the binary for the slide. DESU I didn’t even know I could get the blem slide before you said anything so I greatly appreciate that. I’ll probably just get an 80% Glock kit and a blem and do an FRT for my M&P.

>>64218626
Desu should be DESU. Don’t know why autocorrect went for something I’ve never typed.

>>64218630
Fuck it I’m drunk now. DESU bitch.

>>64218130
>>64218340
Thanks, I'm going to tell him this. Then since he's an attorney he's going to double down and take it as a challenge to prove me wrong

>>64218174
>and it'll be easily concealable during winter
I highly suggest NOT relying on these brand new FRTs to depend your life on. These things are breaking and finicky with jams and even have different fire rates during the same mag dump

>>64218626
One thing to be aware of is that the Franklin Armory trigger may not work exactly in whatever frame you get. It is designed and works best in an OEM glock frame. I think some other frames do work with the trigger though. It is not going to be plug and play.

>>64218688
People still think Davidson Defense and Delta Team Tactical are the same company because they are both in Orem UT. You can't convince retards no matter how educated of anything.

>>64218694
>>64218230
There has been a fag in these threads who keeps posting that we are on the verge of the FRT and SS being the last name in self defense.

>>64218688
>>64218706
to be fair there is legal evidence that theres a few different FRT companies under the same umbrella, but in this case they did it in order to go under the radar of rarebreed and saw mixed results
I believe Atrius was one of them

>>64205671
Thank you frendo

M249S super safety

>>64218706
at one point I know that DTT was helping fund the rare breed lawsuit. They made a vendor post on gun.deals for one of their listings when they were selling them saying they were helping with it.

>>64220260
It's too good! It cannot lasr...

>>64221815
god if they really are entirely unrelated to raregreed then jesus christ they're really the scum of the satan's asshole for going back and suing a company that helped them be able to sell FRTs in the first place

Nice thread

>>64220260
lima six and fightlite killer?

3dprinted cam, 3 pos SS, Dremel'ed trigger myself: can fire in semi but can't pull the trigger in middle position. Haven't tried any troubleshooting yet, went to bed instead.
Any idea why it's doing that?

>>64221897
See >>64218451

>>64221963
depends on your resources, m249 is the coolest but the most expensive, lima six is the cheapest, honestly I think fightlite is the least appealing and apparently it doesnt run super well. You can get it to work well, but takes a lot of testing and whatnot according to this video

https://youtu.be/ZDFtgEVkaQY

>>64222030
see >>64218340
its still very much 50/50 whether they are or arent

Got my AS Design Super Safety Kit for the SP5 after over 3 months of waiting. Worked without hiccup for 150 rounds and the rate of fire seems to be about 880 ish. Guess this will have to do until someone makes a drop in FRT that fits a normal MP5 lower. Any suggestions on what I replace the A2 grip with? Preferably as close to the original grip angle as possible

here's some test shots, I don't really have a proper filming setup so bear with the jank
https://files.catbox.moe/4lc0a1.mp4
https://files.catbox.moe/5vwt1h.mp4

>>64223111
https://magpul.com/moeslgrip-ar15-m4.html
MOE SL might look decently close to the original housing.

I'm waiting for a drop in pack for original housings.

Nice stuff though on getting yours running.

>>64223111
this is kinda better than the original because of more trigger options yeah?

>>64223591
hey wuggy

I got an AP5-P as well and I'd just swap the super safety parts over to that and stick the drop-in over my SP5 in the event one does come out. Apparently it's possible as claimed by Raregreed but the 3d printer nerds seem to think the design would have to start from scratch and would take a while to develop so I wouldn't hold my breath. Seems really fucking controllable out of the SP5 and I'm right near the original rate of fire albeit it is a 9-pound PCC. Whatever though, I've been told by cucks on this website that PCCs are useless and they're just toys compared to the real ones but who's laughing now

>>64223754
Yeah, I'd say so. The base MP5 trigger is alright but it's like 7-8 pounds with a little creep because the Germans were mega autismo and wanted 30 feet of drop safety. The other options are a Bill Springfield trigger job (the guy's a hack), a mystery meat HKparts trigger pack, a Timney trigger (these only fit a select few lowers and break), a Heckfire trigger (people complain about these going full auto randomly and have all sorts of issues) and I'm not sure what else. This one just feels like a decent milspec AR trigger with the usual bit of sponginess associated with select fire guns

>>64223800
so why do you care about a frt working in the normal lower? for aesthetics?

>>64223811
I've shot a lot of rounds through my MP5s and PTR-91 with the ambi navy lowers and it's just what I'm used to. I like the manual of arms, where my hand is positioned and how I can flip the safety around when the gun is not cocked. The aesthetics are a small factor as well

Is there an FRT for Uzi? That would finish out my IMI Model A.

>>64224031
the issue with Uzis is that they're open to closed bolt conversions and every single one is done differently depending on the importer

My atrius finally shipped, purchased july 22

>>64226764
Another issue with the Uzi is that the cheap gun should have never been closed-bolt anyway. Damned politicians and their stupid laws ruin everything.

>>64226957
(now seized in shipping)

>>64227775
Wtf? Serious????

>>64228260
no that guy was just joking, he's not the op

>>64226957
>giving your money to atrius
Should’ve waited to buy the ARC trigger instead. Now you waited months for a piece of shit that’ll break within the first 100 rounds

>>64228538
I'll get both, I'm not poor, also I frustratingly missed the very small window to purchase the arc. I really am more interested in the arc though.

>>64228543
>>64226957
When you get it, get it running with a suppressor and an H3 buffer, M16 cut BCG, mil spec lower and upper, S marked Schmid Tool FCG, then once you have it running good, CRANK down HARD on the trigger PINNING it to the rear and see what happens to the lever.

>>64223811
Absolutely aesthetics.

>>64223776
Yo yo
Yeah it 100% is possible to have a drop in multi lever safety position FRT trigger pack. It would be similar to the Timney or Shootingsight trigger pack.
So my MAC-5K straight up broke and was going hammer follow auto and god damn it was incredible to control and just hose the target down.
Bought an MKE trigger pack and put that in there to fix it and get it running, and then sold it, and bought an AP5-P myself.