Thread 64204253

While China's dictator impotently meets with Monke and Rajesh and embarrasses himself, the world is laughing at China because the Royal Navy got bored and humiliated the CCP and demonstrated that China's regional claims hold no weight.

https://ipdefenseforum.com/2025/08/u-k-carrier-strike-groups-milestone-japan-visit-bolsters-regional-stability

U.K. Carrier Strike Group’s milestone Japan visit bolsters regional stability

The United Kingdom Carrier Strike Group, led by the flagship HMS Prince of Wales, arrived at Japan’s Yokosuka Naval Base in mid-August 2025, the midpoint of its eight-month multinational mission known as Operation Highmast.

The aircraft carrier was accompanied by the Royal Navy destroyer HMS Dauntless and the Royal Norwegian Navy frigate HNoMS Roald Amundsen, which also was scheduled to join the carrier for a port call in Tokyo during the three-week visit to Japan.

I don't understand, Americans have several navy bases in Japan, so what makes you think the chinks would care about some bong ships? Do you think they were supposed to sink them all or something? Actual mental illness.

>>64204264
not him but the US is buddy buddies with both China and Russia now

>>64204285
This. We need Europe to step up and build 50 carriers.

>>64204264
The point is to show the UK and Japan could cooperate against Chinese aggression in the region.

>>64204264
Cope

>>64204285
Leftoid cope once again

>>64204253 (OP)
>>64192116
Checkem, oldest island empire friendship is back.

>>64204341
You'd think leftoids would celebrate the pivot, not seethe about it?

>>64204349
Leftoids just hate whatever the current thing Orange man is doing. Tariffs and export bans don't sound very friendly to me, Orange man would do more if the admin didn't stop him from going too far by actually decoupling.

>>64204349
You really don't understand American politics if you honestly think left = opposite of right in every issue.

The American left and right both agreed Russia and China are the major threat, they disagreed on how exactly to confront the threat.

Now Cheeto in chief is cozying up to them. It's anti-American and shows how cult-like the right has become that they just lay down and act like it's ACTUALLY what they wanted all along.

If MAGA thinks it’s acceptable for a president to undermine efforts to confront Russia and China then no wonder more and more Americans are wanting British intelligence to take a more active role in shaping congressional actions and US policy

>>64204253 (OP)
I doubt any kind of embarassment can top making two chink ships crash into each other in open seas.

>>64204377
you are paying the tarrifs, you absolute imbecile

>>64204426
Fucking styled on

>>64204253 (OP)
implessive
>>64204264
bongs are in the state of decay for the last 100 years, let them cope in peace

>>64204253 (OP)
This thread is the equivalent of Jewtube clickbait

>>64204253 (OP)
they've gone to collect the last burma pows at last and level this abomination?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yasukuni_Shrine

>>64205302
>>64205297
>seething vatnik/wumao
kek

>>64205270
You think I wouldn't know that? Anyone can tell the goal is to put China back in it's box and reduce US reliance on Chinese supply chains. Leftoids can only think in a one dimensional as evidenced by bringing up Trump and maga unprompted.

>>64205400
>I actually enjoy paying more for everything I have to purchase and when donald lied to me and said he was going to make everything cheaper, I was okay with this because I knew it was a lie meant for those "dumb" conservatives, not me because I can see through the politicking and I KNOW this is best for me and the US on the whole
wewlad

they really got you good huh?

What blew up this time?

>>64205413
I'm not even a burger you fucking retard. I don't care about American prices or your imaginary conservative because it never affected me. What I care about is Orange man messing with China.

>>64204303
I'm sure chinks are quaking in their boots at the sight of a glorified helicopter carrier staffed by women and pakis with less utility than an AAS or even a fucking Kuznetsov

>>64205495
Are F-35's "glorified" helicopters now?

>>64205495
>>64204426
>>64189023

>>64205501
When they can only take off from the ship in VTOL mode? Yes.

>>64205504
you mean STOVL mode.

They don't ever take off vertically outside of systems checks and demonstrations.

>>64205504
Besides a -25% reduced range and a -1.5g turn rate it's the same damn F-35 stealth and avionics. Is this some new thirdie cope?

>>64205413
>>64205270
>he doesnt understand the point of tariffs

>>64205513
You're the thirdie, paki. As in a third rate power that is worse off today than it was 40 years ago when you barely managed to defeat a bunch of delusional spics. Nearly every amphibious assault ship in American inventory can launch F-35s but they don't cope by calling them carriers because they have actual carriers as well. I bet the next (and last) bongistan """carrier""" will be a container barge.

>>64205529
How does that in any way change what an F-35 does or is capable of?

>>64205529
Why are you so mad at Bongs bruv.

>>64205542
I was calling Queen Elizabeth class glorified helicopter carriers because that's what they are. VTOL carriers evolved from helicopter carriers, and by "evolved" I mean refitted in a lot of cases. If US makes a VTOL ten times as good as F-35 that's not gonna change the fact that Queen Elizabeth class are not real carriers, and thus below even coperamp carriers.

>>64205561
>VTOL carriers evolved from helicopter carriers, and by "evolved" I mean refitted in a lot of cases.

>>64205561
You keep saying VTOL, I don't think you know what that means.

The F-35 is not a VTOL aircraft, HMS QE is not a VTOL carrier, they're both made for STOVL operations.

Short Take Off and Vertical Landing.

An F-35B from HMS QE is just as potent as an F-35B from an America-class LHA or Izumo-class DDH. And nearly as potent as an F-35C from a Nimitz-class or GRF-class carrier.

>>64204253 (OP)

>Brown nigger muslims want to attack China.
And you wonder why the Chinks put you in camps.

>>64205400
yeah, great way to force your own corporations to move manufacturing back to the US (but also keep the Chinese sweatshop prices too)
how is that working so far, dumbass?

>>64205614
>An F-35B from HMS QE is just as potent as an F-35B from an America-class LHA or Izumo-class DDH
Yes, and those are not considered carriers and have additional uses other than coping about a navy with more admirals than warships, thanks for proving my point
>an F-35C from a Nimitz-class
Strangely enough, a Nimitz-class can, and in fact does, carry planes other than F-35

>>64205614
>>64205639
F-35B from the QE is more potent than one taking off from an American class or any other flattop LHD as the ramp allows it to take off with allmost all of its combat payload.

>>64205523
that's the catch - i do, and as non-american, I'm fine with you bozos paying more

>>64205635
>tariffs don't work and wont affect china
>also i am very mad about them

>>64205655
>that's the catch - i do, and as non-american, I'm fine with you bozos paying more
And yet, you're deeply upset about them. Curious.

>>64205656
>>64205660
tarrifs will lower the export only because more of you idiots will no longer being able to afford it
the frustrating part is the whole world is trying to explain you basic economics, while you are so utterly dumb, you still think you are owning it

>>64205673
>tariffs wont work and don't affect us, only you
>tariffs make me very mad

>>64205673
>Burgers will become poor because they aren't buying things with their own money
absolute midcurve lol

>>64205681
must be comfortable living as a clueless moron

>>64205693
>haha! You're so stupid!
>I am very upset about this thing that totally only affects you

>>64204377
>Tariffs and export bans don't sound very friendly to me
Yeah but he's doing that to fucking everyone, so that's hardly a criteria. He put 15% on the EU, who are supposedly US allies.

>>64205690
burgers are already poor, they just don't realize it
see the housing, education and healthcare

>>64205716
>see the housing, education and healthcare

>>64205715
Yes, its 15% because you're allies.

>>64205730
It doesnt feel very friendly to me. Nor the demands for Greenland.

>>64205737
>It doesnt feel very friendly to me
Its more friendly than 20%.
>Nor the demands for Greenland.
Its a hole in our hemispheric defense. They failed to invest adequately in it. However, after some mean words on twitter the Danes have pledged $2 billion in defense spending for Greenland. Mission accomplished.

>>64205737
Bragging about the welfare state you paid for with the money you didn't have to spend on protecting your right to exist because Uncle Sam did so in your stead wasn't very friendly either.

Absolute melty going on right now

>>64205634
>this post again
Warriortard you need to get new material

>>64205761
Chang fuming cuz once again they have been cuckoled by a tiny, rainy, island with a per capita GDP smaller than Mississippi

>thread about bongs getting bored and humiliating the turd world once again
>thread gets slid by /chug/trannies spamming Donald Trump

>>64205761
The anti-UK shills are upset because their narrative about the axe wielding girl got dismantled and countered, so now they are back to pretending to be American

>>64205270
Consume less propaganda, retard.

>>64205693
ESL

>>64205817
>>64205821
they are surely putting something in your water, lmao

>>64205270
Tariffs only punish the citizens of the nation imposing them, which is why all of the other countries instantly raised their own tariffs after the US did, to prove they could punish their own citizens harder.

>>64205495
Yup, there's the seethe OP mentioned

>>64205967
>which is why all of the other countries instantly raised their own tariffs after the US did
Except they didnt. The EU and UK both decided to not implement retaliatory tariffs. Neither did Australia. The ones who did like China and India, have the same kind of jingoistic retards in charge as the USA does. Canada also retaliated (but has since dropped them) but that was more about the whole 51st state thing and threat of being annexed by the USA.

>>64204253 (OP)
I hate China but nothing about the Royal Navy is impressive at the moment. That carrier wouldn't have a full strength air wing even if they put all of the F-35s attached to both ships on it. Not to mention
>a fucking ramp

>>64205985
Okay.

>>64204253 (OP)
There will never be a moment in which European Korea is anything but a laughing stock. Britain is a totalitarian shithole nation.

>>64205985
Why do you think they even considered retaliatory tariffs? They needed to debate whether or not to punish their own citizens? Or perhaps is there some other economic effect tariffs have? Much to think about.

>>64205999
Or maybe its about how to react to sudden hostile actions by a supposed ally. Because obviously as EU exports are made more expensive by tariffs, this will inevitably affect sales and hurt EU companies. But it was decided that counter tariffs wouldnt do much good, and wouldnt change Trumps mind anyway. But countries like France wanted to retaliate because of the symbolism of it. Which is pretty much what China did, because 140% tariffs wouldnt be sustainable for China either. But China can relocate a lot of its imports, basedbeans and such can be bought from Brazil.

EU mostly buys services from the USA. Microsoft office, windows, Amazon web services, cloudflare etc. Do not be surprised to see the EU start subsidizing domestic alternatives in the coming years.

>>64206011
You're going to need to start paying SEs more than 40,000 euros a year so they don't all leave before that happens. Even with subsidies I doubt they'll ever see wages equivalent to what they could get in the US.

>>64206011
>prioritizing American citizens is a betrayal of Europe
Okay.
>Do not be surprised to see the EU start subsidizing domestic alternatives in the coming years.
Okay.

>>64206011
Good luck doing that now that you're finally spending money to rearm and carry your weight

>>64205737
I still don't understand why Denmark controls Greenland

>>64206038
>Trumps internal monologue while pacing the roof of the White House

>>64206025
Wages are higher but so is cost of living. Lemonade stand did the math the other day. You are not better of on a 100k salary in the USA when you actually account for all the expenses you do not have in the EU. Namely, healtchare, transportation, internet/phone are markedly more expensive. The places where you actually earn that 100k also have far more expensive housing.

What European software engineers are actually doing is becoming expats in places like Portugal or Estonia where cost of living is even lower, while working remotely for Swedish and German firms.

>>64204426
This is as bad, or worse than, the videos of their ships taking on water through water tight doors while navigating in rough seas.

>>64206065
>Lemonade stand did the math the other day
Oh, yeah, I surely trust him.
>You are not better of on a 100k salary in the USA when you actually account for all the expenses you do not have in the EU. Namely, healtchare, transportation, internet/phone are markedly more expensive.
Yeah, if you compare NY to the EU.
>The places where you actually earn that 100k also have far more expensive housing.
No, not really because we also work remotely and also because breaking 100K is relatively easy.

Its no contest, incomparable. The EU per capita would be one of our poorest states.

>>64206046
No. It's a serious question, you demented TDS leftoid.

>>64206084
I 100% support Trump. My post is what we call "a joke". Sperg.

>>64206065
If you're at a job making anywhere close to 6 figures you have healthcare as a benefit, and you can still find good paying SE jobs in lower cost of living areas. You won't make as much as you would in SF but you can find entry level positions paying anywhere from 80-90k in the midwest, and that's just entry level. Not uncommon for more senior SEs to make 125k+ even in relatively cheap areas. If it truly were better more Americans would move to Europe to work than the other way around, but it isn't even close. Those services you mention aren't free either, you pay for them, especially as a high salary earner. You're paying for your own services and then services for some migrant welfare family on top of that, in addition to the pension of the boomers who fucked it all up for you in the first place.

>>64206028
How is it prioritizing US citizens? There is no plan here. The tariffs only work if combined with industrial subsidies, incentives to get more people into technical fields, you know, an actual plan. Hell Biden's inflation reduction act was more of a plan than this. All Trump does is put up tariffs, bully companies like Apple, Nvidia and Intel, and hope it does anything.

>>64206037
3,5% defense spending over 5 years, and 1,5% on defense related spending with a review in 2028. Yeah no one is actually going to be genuinely spending 3,5%. Only the Poles and Baltics will probably do that. The rest is just appeasing Trump and will drop those demands on the 2028 review when he is out of office. Everyone is pretty much just waiting Trump out. Whether its NATO spending or tariffs or domestic companies beng preassured to re-shore, everyone is just saying yes and doing the minimum to look busy.

EU will spend more on defense, but it's not likely to actually go above 2%. Spain and Belgium already outright refused. Upon which Trump tried to put tariffs on Spain, which is impossible as it's an EU member.

>>64206089
ah, gotcha.
it doesn't come through print very well, perhaps we should have italicized posts on /k/?

>>64206098
>How is it prioritizing US citizens? There is no plan here
You're asking how policy designed to onshore manufacturing benefits Americans?
>The tariffs only work if combined with industrial subsidies, incentives to get more people into technical fields, you know, an actual plan
These all exist and have existed for a very long time.

>>64206095
>You're paying for your own services and then services for some migrant welfare family on top of that, in addition to the pension of the boomers who fucked it all up for you in the first place
It's why taxes in the EU are so crazy, especially as a high wage earner.
Them gibs ain't free.

>>64206065
This is massive cope and you know it. Any decent career in the US pays 6 figs and has insurance and a leased car included. Taxes are less. Earning more is also a function of saving more, higher expenses do not scale linearly with an income increase and you can control expenses as opposed to your income.

>>64206098
What then if Vance wins in 2028? Assuming Trump wouldn't come back already fucked them once. I don't think it's a smart geopolitical strategy to bet everything on one party winning in the US the next cycle.

>>64206095
>You're paying for your own services and then services for some migrant welfare family on top of that, in addition to the pension of the boomers who fucked it all up for you in the first place.
And you arent in the USA? You still pay into social security and medicaid, and the migrants are using the roads and hospitals paid by your tax dollars. Thats the same in Europe as the US. Sure, we do grant more benefits.

>>64206081
>him
Its an economics podcast, but nevermind. Per capita means very little, quality of life in most of Europe is higher than the USA. Longer lifespans, better health standards. And dont pretend you all make 100k. US average is 58,000. Thats not higher than Switzerland, Luxemburg, Benelux etc.

>>64206114
Based on who the dems have right now, and who is polling well (Newsome, Kamala) Vance will almost certainly win. Unless they do a total rework of their party, and its goals, they are going to struggle for a very long time. The damage Biden did was immeasurable and their bench is small and full of fundamentally flawed candidates. Their best candidate is Gov. Shapiro who doesnt stand a chance in the primaries cuz Jew.

>>64206117
>quality of life in most of Europe is higher than the USA.
Based on what metrics?
>And dont pretend you all make 100k
I make 142k gross which is about 105K net.
>US average is 58,000. Thats not higher than Switzerland, Luxemburg, Benelux etc.
Now do net income.

>>64206113
>Any decent career in the US pays 6 figs and has insurance and a leased car included.
So do the top jobs in the EU. I am a self employed electrician and I make 100k euros after tax some years. But thats not the average incomes, not anywhere near. Yeah the top 10 to 20% of the USA is doing better than anyone else in the world. But your bottom 50% is absolutely not doing better than the bottom 50% in Europe. Your wealth gap is huge and thats why you have so many commies. I mean we dont have student debt for example. I believe the UK does, but thats only about 15k pounds on average.

>>64206109
I pay 49,5% tax. Yeah, its ridiculous. But if we didnt have the damn immigrant leeches, it at least would be going to maintaining a well functioning system.

>Something that makes shithole country like russia or china look bad
>Thread immediately diverted to culture war bullshit as a distraction
Everytime

>>64206117
>quality of life in most of Europe is higher than the USA
That's subjective.
As a pensioner? Maybe
As a salaried worker in a private company? Maybe (depends on your income)
As a city/state employee? You work what, 24 hours a week? LOL!

>>64206136
>But your bottom 50% is absolutely not doing better than the bottom 50% in Europe
They have bigger homes, more cars, AC etc etc etc.
>Your wealth gap is huge and thats why you have so many commies
Your wealth gap is smaller and you have even more commies. By our standards your biggest political parties are literal marxists.
> I mean we dont have student debt for example
You do and you can never ever pay it off because its a tax.

>>64206136
>I pay 49,5% tax
one of us

>>64206136
>But your bottom 50% is absolutely not doing better than the bottom 50% in Europe
Highly debatable but that is largely of their own doing. Which is the difference between our system and your system. In ours, you're free to become disgustingly rich or shamefully poor. In yours, everyone and everything must be equalized by the state.

>>64206156
>that pic

>>64206146
>As a city/state employee? You work what, 24 hours a week? LOL!
True, and then they still make 36k a year. I am not in favour of this system, we have labour shortages because of the sheer amount of part timers (and immigrants who do not work).

The whole quality of life arqument can be made based on life expectancy, obesity rates, fatalities from road accidents and crime. The USA has a lot more crime. Yeah niggers, I know.

>>64206148
The biggest political parties have pretty much always been cucked center right Christians and social democrats. But these days populists are usually 2nd largest. But its not like the USA is the conservative bastion it was under Reagan in the 80s. Im from the Netherlands and you guys are more liberal on drugs and gay marriage than we are these days. In some states you are more liberal on abortion than we are.

>>64206179
>The biggest political parties have pretty much always been cucked center right Christians and social democrats.
And to us they are literally commies. Which renders your "inequality = commies" argument as moot.

>>64206136
>your bottom 50% is absolutely not doing better than the bottom 50% in Europe
nigger please learn the meaning of "median income" and "poverty line"

I'm not American, but as one of /k/'s few quants, let me tell you, do not get into a shitflinging contest with Americans about income and quality of life, they're objectively better than the Schengen
>bbbbbut what about all the whining and moaning I read online
blacks and white women amplified by Russia, India, China, Iran and Nork shills

>>64206198
Man I've been to places like Molenbeek, and the shittest parts of London like Lutton. And I have never seen Fent zombies, homeless encampments, or the literally falling apart streets of Detroit.

>>64206207
Yes, we do not have a safety net. I do not think anyone has argued otherwise.

>>64206207
doesn't matter, the numbers don't lie
in fact they're already massaged by the pro-EU authorities to spin it as best as they can
it still doesn't work

>>64204253 (OP)
the fact that it was able to reach japan without breaking down is the news here

>>64206104
>policy designed to onshore manufacturing benefits Americans?
it won't tough, you can produce a mucguffin in China and ship it over for 20 dollars
you can make it in the US for 60 dollars
you slap a 100% tariff on it and it's still cheaper to import
>These all exist and have existed for a very long time
and they have for a very long time failed to achieve anything even close to what is needed. to sustain an actual re-industrialization.
the simple fact is that wages are to high in the US to make anything but the most capital intensive or high return industries feasible.
because it's not just the labor cost of the end producer but the whole supply chain and support network around it that is driving up the cost of other inputs.
putting tariffs on everything and everyone also hinders industries from developing. since inputs are taxed just as high as finished goods.

>>64206233
They had tugboats carrying the other one behind them in case they needed more replacement parts.

>>64206239
The only reason chink shit is so cheap is massive industrial subsidies they've been doing for decades, arguably at the cost of healthier economic development. I don't think their current goal to transition to a middle class economy is going to pan out, already seeing signs i.e. real estate market woes.

>>64206239
>it wont work when I get to make up the value of the products for a hypothetical argument
The plan isnt to compete for cheap trash.
>and they have for a very long time failed to achieve anything even close to what is needed. to sustain an actual re-industrialization.
Yes. Because of free trade.
>putting tariffs on everything and everyone also hinders industries from developing. since inputs are taxed just as high as finished goods.
More than happy to take the risk, because what we have been doing for the last 40 years has had some negative outcomes. The people have spoken. Deal with it.

>>64206239
And the question remains whether you should even want to be making it in the US. Chips? Sure. Steel? Arguably. High end manufactured goods? Sure. Essential pharmaceuticals and chemicals? Yes, with the asterisk that maybe you dont because the only reason China can make those chemicals and rare earths is because it has absolutely no pollution standards and Chinese groundwater is so polluted with heavy metals you cant drink it.

But why would you want to re-shore textile manufacturing, consumer electronics, raw industrial goods like base plastics and rubber etc. There is no economic benefit, there is no way to make it profitable, and there is no strategic need. Nor would Americans want those jobs at minimum wage. So blanket tariffs are just retarded. He put 40% on Bangladesh, which pretty much only sells T shirts and sneakers to the US.

>>64206136
>But your bottom 50% is absolutely not doing better than the bottom 50% in Europe
I'm barely above the $58k number (presumably you) cited here >>64206117, and have a 5 acres in one of the more expensive states (home prices in the top 10) in the country, with a two story house and a 5 car garage with a lift. I legit don't know what average really looks like in Europe, but the way you faggots talk I would expect you all to live in castles on hundreds of acres with live-in servants and solid gold toilets.

I wouldn't even care about any of this is you guys weren't so obnoxious about it.

>>64206271
>But why would you want to re-shore textile manufacturing, consumer electronics, raw industrial goods like base plastics and rubber etc. There is no economic benefit, there is no way to make it profitable, and there is no strategic need. Nor would Americans want those jobs at minimum wage. So blanket tariffs are just retarded. He put 40% on Bangladesh, which pretty much only sells T shirts and sneakers to the US.
We dont.

>>64206258
>The plan isnt to compete for cheap trash.
Anon, there is a 50% tariff on Brazil which pretty much just exports coffee to the US. There's a global minimum of 10% even on shit like vanilla and bananas which cant be economically grown in the USA. These are not targeted tariffs. There is no plan. Like I said, even Biden's inflation reduction act was more of a plan. It at least put a trillion dollars into much needed infrastructure development, and implemented subsidies for chip manufacturing and server parks.

Trump rescinded the inflation reduction act btw. For no more logical reason than it had come from Biden.

>>64206287
>Anon, there is a 50% tariff on Brazil which pretty much just exports coffee to the US
Wrong. Its 40% and is limited to:
> silicon metal, pig iron, civil aircraft and parts and components thereof, metallurgical grade alumina, tin ore, wood pulp, precious metals, energy and energy products
>These are not targeted tariffs.
oooof
>even Biden's inflation reduction act was more of a plan
Not even remotely.
>and implemented subsidies for chip manufacturing
Thats a seperate act, called the CHIPS act.

>>64206256
They have zero domestic demand, huge unemployment and are choked by tariffs. They're not gonna implode per se, but they're going to have a much more dramatic recession than the Japanese did.

lads, since we're on this tangential /biz/ topic, I want to sound the alarm
the world's 3 biggest economies are US, China, and the Eurozone

the Eurozone inflation rate is higher than GDP growth, nuff said
furthermore, nearly half of European GDP is government spending. this is virtually a USSR-tier command economy, with all its concomitant downsides I shouldn't have to go into here
it's utterly unsustainable and will collapse eventually, either through catastrophic inflation or the harshest of austerity measures
we're talking annual double-digit inflation for over a decade. it's happened before and might happen again.

for China and US, the debt to GDP ratios aren't as bad. however, the amount of deficit spending last year for both China and the US was roughly the same as inflation. this means the real economy was stagnant, and nominal gains were inflation-driven. there was virtually no natural growth.

if I were you all, I'd start saving and cutting back expenses. inflation might wipe out most of it but it's better than starving. also you will be mentally prepared to cut back when forced to.
whatever other measures you wish to take, that's up to your ingenuity. but it's time to risk-off.
good luck.

here endeth the PSA

>>64206239
>it's still cheaper to import
it's not
the manufacturing margin between China and US is only 5-10%
within two decades of re-onshoring and re-directing tariffs and profits into the domestic economy, this difference will redress itself

the problem is that most of the Western political cabals only care for making generational wealth within their short political careers by continuing the very short-term-profitable trade with China; they don't give a damn about twenty-year projects
>if they could even understand it
>looking at Madam Jewish Space Laser Greene, or Miss Infinite Debt Ocasio

I've been saying it since the 00s; drop the fucking Iron Curtain on China and watch them die in fifty years as the USSR did

>>64206256
yes, china has been subsidizing it's industries
but they aren't the only country that can undercut the US in wages or scale industry to drive down prices.
as long as the US has a massive wealth and quality of life gap it will stay a net importer simply because it makes more sense both on the macro and micro scale
"made in America" costs to much and Americans aren't willing to pay that premium unless it's for status goods where conspicuous consumption is the goal.
there's decades of research on this
>>64206258
>The plan isnt to compete for cheap trash.
but most of what the US consumer buys is cheap trash and so must of what he is paying tariffs on is cheap trash.
>Yes. Because of free trade.
because other jobs ad more to the US economy than jobs in industry and so other jobs will pay better and offer better conditions
>because what we have been doing for the last 40 years has had some negative outcomes
it's also had a lot of positive outcomes that people have become so used to they take them for granted and have forgotten about.
the people have spoken and in a couple of years they'll change their tune once they've lost the positive that make free trade a net benefit for them

>>64206323
>but most of what the US consumer buys is cheap trash and so must of what he is paying tariffs on is cheap trash.
Okay.
>because other jobs ad more to the US economy than jobs in industry and so other jobs will pay better and offer better conditions
Yep, thats the argument that was made in the 1980's and 1990's. Didnt turn out how it was promised. We're doing something else now.
>the people have spoken and in a couple of years they'll change their tune once they've lost the positive that make free trade a net benefit for them
Okay.

Idk why the fuck you're seething about something that will supposedly only have negative outcomes for us.

>>64206323
The goal isn't to fully reshore here. It's to move away from China, while reshoring in the process.

>>64206117
>US average is 58,000. Thats not higher than Switzerland, Luxemburg, Benelux
whoop de doo, 40 million people out of 500 million in the Eurozone have similar average salaries as Americans
meanwhile what's the medians for Germany? France? Italy? Spain? UK?
and they pay about 16% more taxes than the average American, don't forget

>>64206320
I agree that the advantage China had is shrinking rapidly. but I used them only as an example. it's rising production cost is leading to a lot of manufacturing moving to the new low wage countries. it isn't US vs. China it's US vs. where ever it's the cheapest to produce
>>64206332
if it makes you happy most of what the rest of the world consumes is also cheap trash
>Didnt turn out how it was promised
it did for most Americans
it didn't in a very noticeable and hard hitting way for several regions in the US
politics are driven by perception more than by facts
>seething
because I'm interested in the topic and like talking about it

>>64206373
>it didn't in a very noticeable and hard hitting way for several regions in the US
And yet somehow the majority chose otherwise. Curious.

>>64206334
if the goal is to move away for China why impose tariffs on every other country?
if the goal is to reshoring why put just as high tariffs on inputs as finished goods and in some cases even harder
I'm not saying that it can't have those goals, just that it isn't just that or that they are trying to achieve those in the most efficient, least disruptive way

>>64206381
the majority chose to kick out beaners, release the Epstein files and above all else everything but kamala

>>64206396
>if the goal is to move away for China why impose tariffs on every other country?
Because tarrif avoidance is a thing.
>if the goal is to reshoring why put just as high tariffs on inputs as finished goods and in some cases even harder
Supply chains
>least disruptive way
We dont owe you anything.

>>64206400
>the majority chose to kick out beaners
being done.
> release the Epstein files
Total non-issue.
>everything but kamala
cope.

>>64206370
>nd they pay about 16% more taxes than the average American, don't forget
And you pay more on car payments, credit cards, healthcare, phone etc. I was amazed that apparently the normal American phone plan is over 100 dollars a month. I pay 8 euros a month, and thats northern Europe. And car payments. Over here a lot of people dont even need to drive. You guys have car payments of easily 500 a month minimum. All you need to live over there is way more expensive.

>>64206408
>car payments
Bro ran out of argument 30 minutes ago if "but you have to pay for a thing you bought" is where we're at.

>>64204253 (OP)
Britain is struggle from unrest that isn't going anyway, it's not humiliating anyone but itself.

>>64206437
But you dont own it. Thats why Repo's are even a thing over there. You lot are in shitloads of debt, buying on credit. Hell, even your government is running Zimbabwe tier deficits now.

>>64206401
>Because tarrif avoidance
sure New-Zealand is a hub of Chinese tariff avoidance. getting Chinese industrial goods into the US by exporting mostly agricultural goods
>supply chains
if you want to move those the tried and proven way to do so is to start at one end and then work your way along. trying to replace everything all at once has failed every time it's been tried
but you do you
>We dont owe you anything.
the US is the main beneficiary of the system the US has set up to benefit it's self (or at least it's elites). disrupting the system hurt's it's self (and it's elites) more than it does the rest of the world
>>64206405
>objective reality
>cope
I've got some bad news for you

>>64204253 (OP)
the screenshot angle makes it look like a cute fat tugboat.

>>64205297
>>64204253 (OP)
The bong navy rivals Russia. Ships are being canibalized to keep others on life support

>>64206459
>But you dont own it.
Yes. Thats why you're paying it off.
> Thats why Repo's are even a thing over there
Yes, if you dont pay off a thing you dont own they take it from you.
>You lot are in shitloads of debt
Depends on the consumer and their behavior. People having the freedom to make bad individual choices is not a reason to tax everyone into oblivion and have government make choices for them.

>>64206461
>b... but NZ!
Yes, they compete with our dairy and beef producers for market share in the US.
>if you want to move those the tried and proven way to do so is to start at one end and then work your way along.
We're not asking your opinion.
>trying to replace everything all at once has failed every time it's been tried. but you do you
Yes, we're doing us.

>>64206496
well good luck, never let ignorance hold you from fucking your own shit up

>>64206408
>you pay more on car payments, credit cards, healthcare, phone etc.
the specific basket of goods cost varies so widely between countries that such a statement is impossible to substantiate without literally months' worth of research so you're talking out of your ass

but I'm not going to go into that. let's tentatively accept what you say as true. well, according to the OECD, the US PPP modifier is only 1.2x above the OECD average. given that Europeans pay 16% more tax, this means most of that cancels out.
(it's likely that for Americans, most of this additional expenditure is on healthcare.)
but this doesn't cancel out the overall higher gross median salaries Americans enjoy.

in short, the typical Frenchman earns €48,000, and the typical American $60,000
the state takes about €17,000 and $20,000 in taxes, respectively
leaving €31,000 and $40,000 net
even if things are cheaper for the Frenchman by 20%, or about €6,000, the American still earns 10% or about $4,000 more than he does

>>64206508
You done or do you have more seethe to release?

>>64206521
Thats 9000 dollars more (and dollars being weaker than euros) for having a significanly less safe society, far worse infrastructure quality, lesser quality housing, much lower social cohesion and so on. Doesnt seem worth it. The Lemonade stand guys did the math, between Sweden and California. From about 41 minutes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1VYXLhIQZl8

>>64206521
the european worked on average 1570 hours that year and the american 1810
that's 240 more hours or more than 1/7th the european's working hours
bth we could be here al night/day long pulling stats out of our asses
but as far as the rest of the world are concerned both are head and shoulders above the rest
we get lost in the on the global scale minor differences because it's the only two place on the world giving a fuck about

>>64204253 (OP)
That expeditionary force could be sunk in a few minutes without China even noticing a dip in their missile stockpiles. I’m not saying “China strong” so much as “the UK’s token attempt at solidarity is pathetic and if anything the US and Japan should be offended”

>>64206555
>far worse infrastructure quality, lesser quality housing,
This statement is rather humerous.
>The Lemonade stand guys did the math, between Sweden and California.
Ah, they compared one of the worst US states to one of the best European states. cool.

>>64206566
There's also more parental leave, more sick days, and the European guy cannot be fired at will. Way more job security.

>>64206574
California is your wealthiest state, and Sweden isnt in the top 5. Norway, Luxemburg, Iceland, Switzerland, Netherlands, Ireland etc all have a higher GDP per capita. Anyway, if you want you can watch it. They do a detailed analysis of both the median, average and the top 10%.

>>64206595
>>64206573
UK is operating in the SCS and the PLAAN is not operating in the Atlantic. This makes the changs very upset.

>>64206595
>California is your wealthiest state
Its one of the most expensive states to live in, and has one of the highest tax burdens. You fucking idiot.

>>64205780
Sar
You are posting in violation of the Great Firewall of Bongo. https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/clyjq40vjl7o.amp

Kindly log out and turn over your information to the nearest costabulary
>>64205785
You can’t even build a proper firewall. Let alone a navy. All the statism of the CCP with all the competence of a Zig.
L

>>64206595
>and the European guy cannot be fired at will
we have to much protection tough
I've had to work with people flirting with the line of minimal effort minimal work but not bad enough to be grounds for termination for years
and it drove me fucking crazy because they where dumping the work they weren't doing on me and the rest of the team and by holding us back endangering our jobs and bonuses

>>64206521
p.s. this is just for the median Frenchman
the average Eurozone salary is roughly €40,000, estimates vary
so most Europeans are way below American
also, about 30% of French earn minimum wage or only €22,000

the real reason why Americans bitch and moan is that they're consumerist freaks who can't deal with a little austerity

>>64206555
>significanly less safe society, far worse infrastructure quality, lesser quality housing, much lower social cohesion and so on
this is already adjusted for in PPP which attempts to compare like with like
and again, these are OECD figures, so it's already slanted pro-EU as much as it can be

>>64206566
>but as far as the rest of the world are concerned both are head and shoulders above the rest
>we get lost in the on the global scale minor differences because it's the only two place on the world giving a fuck about
somewhat true
>the european worked on average 1570 hours that year and the american 1810
which is part of why the average European earned about 2/3rds of the average American

>>64206595
>more parental leave, more sick days
just because the US doesn't have a mandatory law doesn't mean all Americans have zero sick days
you do realise that, right?
>and the European guy cannot be fired at will
it's funny, I've never met people who boasted that their team has more deadweight that everyone else has to make up for and work around as if it's a good thing
>Way more job security
it's way more secure to have a robust economy with lower national debt

>>64206602
>Its one of the most expensive states to live in, and has one of the highest tax burdens. You fucking idiot.
And it also has the highest salaries with all the techbros. And the most druggies and homeless. Perfect example really. I mean its about 12% of the US population, so good comparison pretty much.

>>64206609
Yeah I know. Thats why I went self employed and only hire other contractors to work for me. Because fuck having to pay someone for 2 years if they happen to get sick for a long time. But that safety net is there for those who want to be the average. I work way over 2000 hours a year, but then I dont make the average either. We are a bit too socialist on some things, but the US is way too extreme the other way.

Of course all of our societies would improve if we managed to just get rid of all the non whites.

>>64204285
Take your pills, schizo.

>>64206607
>>64206494
https://desuarchive.org/k/search/image/XoHdpvnW0LaZlMN1En4AXg/
It's ok shitsniffer, we know that you exist. Here's your (You)

>>64206641
>And it also has the highest salaries with all the techbros
The average californian is not a techbro. I think the problem is that your European mind cannot comprehend the size of California.
>Perfect example really.
The state with the highest costs of living and taxes which has had a massive exodus of citizens to other states is the perfect example?

>>64206628
>it's way more secure to have a robust economy with lower national debt
Is that a joke? You know you have left Greece behind in debt to GDP right? And your deficit is the highest in the West? And lets not even talk about household debt.

>>64206628
well the average frog worked even less hours
humans don't just maximize for wages. do too higher taxes on wages Europeans favor other forms of compensation or just less work. while a stronger drive to keep up with the Joneses tends to make middle class Americans chose raw income over other forms of compensation
Europeans and Americans value things differently and that has led to divergent systems
comparing them on one thing that one of those divergent systems is much more focused on leads to a faulty comparison
it is still a useful one to make but doesn't give a complete picture

>>64206641
>I work way over 2000 hours a year
good on you I'm getting the master I didn't finish while doing a full time. and it forces me to respect the grindset of the self employed all the more

>>64205802
Are they pro-rape gang?

>>64206655
>household debt
is mainly because Americans are consumerist freaks, as I said
>your deficit is the highest in the West?
I know, they're using deficit spending to prop up GDP growth
wanna look at yours, however?
>You know you have left Greece behind in debt to GDP right?
nope, Greece is still ahead
the Eurozone isn't far behind the US in terms of total debt to GDP, at 87% and 122% respectively
the US can still maintain this total debt however because, *theoretically* because it generates more GDP per dollar spent than Europeans
European countries are in a more precarious position because their government spending is at least half the entire economy (in practice, more)

>*I disagree with taking such risks however

>>64206708
it's more likely that there's not enough work in the EU because of lack of economic activity, or the labour-leisure tradeoff
I'm still struggling to find the adequate words to express how horrendous a government spending to GDP ratio of 45% is.

>>64205976
Nigel forgets he isnt one either

>>64204264
>I don't understand, Americans have several navy bases in Japan, so what makes you think the chinks would care about some bong ships?
Its an indication that the French may eventually do it too.

>>64204264
Most of the 'century of humiliation' was by the hand of European powers, don't forget they hate you just as much if not more than they hate the US, Eurobros.

>>64206648
I’m the tactical twink, serf. Why are you on 4chan? It’s a banned site that your regime is trying to ban.

>>64206447
>implying Russia is any better

>>64206865
>actually I'm a different schizo
Don't care, ritual posters are all the same flavor of autism

>>64206555
>>64206641
I wouldn’t trade Mississippi for Germany let alone Sweden, or the Bongo. Farcry 2 tier countries where only the criminals are armed and you have big fat grown men screaming like children and getting beaten by lil North African teens.

I don't see a lot of weapon discussion.

>>64205561
You've already been told they take off by STOVL, not VTOL. Fuck off.

>>64206865
Spreading disinformation about the UK is pathetic and makes everyone laugh at you.

>>64206895
Autistic twinks (wolves) don’t care about the opinions of the Africans of Europe (bongo sheep)
>>64206890
They’re almost on the same level but aren’t having a literal Mesolithic level civil war where native apes and migrant troglodytes have shit flinging battles

>>64204285
>If I say it enough it is true.

https://desuarchive.org/k/search/image/1zOz5FWtPASIa6Fzf4NurA/
https://desuarchive.org/k/search/image/BUGBUwSFmCdA4XBPj96RsA/
Autists deserve everything they get.

Fair warning: do NOT fall for the narratives about "unrest" in the UK. The vatniks are having a bit of a meltdown and are cherry picking a few stories out of context to feed a false narrative. Same as always.

>>64206919
The bongo are trying to ban 4chan for all the world. A more litigious and less competent CCP.
Also this is a weapons board so where’s yours
>>64206899
I bought one to keep my cat safe, then started carrying after someone tried to sodomize me

>>64204419
>The Left are now War Hawks.
Odd times we live in.
>>64204377
This anon is correct. Look at the vaxx. When Trump was in office it was dangerous/fake. When Biden got in they were lining up for it.

>>64206945
Oh holy shit lmao its this guy

>>64206920
Based. They should kill every cop and shitskin.

>>64206920
But you do care. You actually believe that bongs are subverting your media, hence your malding at the mere mention of them.

>>64206945
That isn't even autism anymore, that's just unchecked retardation.

>>64206957
It’s not just the Bongo.
Sweden is also having daily gun battles between military assault rifle armed gangs and grenade bombings.

Both are authoritarian paternalist states. Both say they are more civilized than Americans and both are in a USSR ca 1990 state as their systems crumble under their own weight. Paternalism and state domination over man always fails.

>>64206988
the guy is actually mentally ill. He has probably hundreds of these screencaps he loves to spam.

>>64206978
Cops have domesticated wolves, the atomic bomb of Mesolithic warfare. If you want the poor Bongo natives to ever stand a chance you’d have to sneak /k/omandos in and teach them how to make FGC9s and fight
Get close, hug and spamfire type zigger tactics might work against the bong cops. Faragist bongos are still troglodytes but they’re less horrible than the labcon uniparty.
>>64206981
Your country is breaking up and barring a quick Farage takeover is sinking into a low tech

>>64205270
Legally and logistically it is actually retail that pays for the tariffs, and since i am not a walmart executive I’m actually not paying for it.
The sales margins will simply keep shrinking until morale improves.

>>64207015
> sinking into a low tech
Yugoslavia

>>64205639
>those are not considered carriers
under American doctrine perhaps. For any other country something like that with its full compliment would be the center piece of many navies, assuming they could afford to operate even a single one.

>>64207036
A wasp class helicopter transport has identical capability

Deja vu
The last time you had a melty over violent crime, I brought up how you live in a mad max shithole, looking at the homicide rate
https://desuarchive.org/k/thread/62205617/#q62208520
>It’s a shithole and your press like the Mail keeps meddling in our politics, telling us to be more like them and going on about how much more civilized they are.
And there's the root of your schizophrenia

>>64206996
You can almost see the
>distracts himself with certain obsession topics all day on the internet so he doesn't have to face his own glaring flaws and insecurities
diagnosis shimmering through all his posts.

>>64207041
What is your point?

They operate Harriers and F-35Bs as well.

>>64206179
Biggest difference is your state (regime) embodies paternalism and raised you to be cattle who can’t do anything on its own.

>>64207053
They have one carrier and are canibalizing their spare. Their missiles routinely fail drills and it’s also a very poor country that can’t afford to fund their military and is facing heavy unrest. Yeah, North Korea looks mighty on paper…

>>64207081
Again none of that invalidates what an F-35 brings to the table.

I get it, you're a seething retard trying to shit on the UK, but that in no way changes how much impact 20-36 F-35Bs can make to a conflict.

No one is saying HMS QE is going to single-handedly take on china. But more F-35s are always going to be a welcome addition to a fight against china.

>>64207081
>They have one carrier and are canibalizing their spare.
False, lmao

>>64206239
>you can produce a mucguffin in China and ship it over for 20 dollars
>you can make it in the US for 60 dollars
>you slap a 100% tariff on it and it's still cheaper to import
A very wrong and outdated assumption.
First of all chinese labor is very expensive these days, more expensive than india and even some parts of mexico. The main advantage they are still coasting on is the existing scale and inertia of their infrastructure.
There have been companies that have experimented with assembling a cell phone in the US vs. assembling one in china, and the difference came down to only about 20% more expensive. IIRC it was about a $550 cost for the chinese phone and $650 cost for the US phone. And this is in a product category the chinese should theoretically have an overwhelming advantage in.
A 40% tariff would absolutely change the equation and make the US phone cheaper.

>>64206320
China’s debt is actually atrociously bad once you account for all the LGFVs they use to launder debt.
The country is basically Enron if it was run by communist boomers who can disappear foreign financial auditors.

>>64207156
true
if we add an estimated amount of corporate debt owned by state-owned enterprises to China's government debt - which is logical, because a state-owned enterprise is de facto an extension of the government; any debt owed by it is owed by the government - then China's total public debt to GDP ratio at least doubles to make it the most indebted government on Earth

but the Euro figures would then also have to tack on state-owned corporate debt of about 15-20% of GDP

and I'm not sure about any US debt in state-owned corporations. there has to be some, I think

not that this is brilliant news. contagion from a China collapse will also trigger a lot of fucking dominoes on the rest of us

>>64205614
>nearly

>>64206101
\sarcasm\?

>>64207043
You have a higher violent crime rate including assault, rape and robbery. Violent crime in America often ends with the perp getting shot. Technically homicide but few would say that’s a moral hazard.

You don’t have the option to fight back. You just have to scream like the pitiful fool in >>64206896
American founding ideals on self determination include defense, the average model citizen was supposed to be smart and armed. Akin to how Athens had poets and thinkers like aeschylus go hoplite to protect their independence. Most of Europe never seems to have rediscovered it, seems to have been a republicanism thing only.

>>64204425
That's not the reason. The CIA is a bunch of faggot teenaged brain ADD fucks. Mi6 is kind of normal if a little annoying and proper.
We should have dumped the CIA in the 70s and done something else. After wasting all that time with MkUltra (shit utter fucking retard waste of money) and the LSD shenanigans we should have copied the brits or reinvented the wheel. They fucked up Bin Laden so many times before barely succeeding that he may as well have done TV interviews. Fed fucking 9/11 intel to non-operations channels because they were timid.
Fuck the CIA.

>>64207114
Island Korea https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/04/23/3bn-warship-hms-prince-of-wales-stripped-for-parts/
>>64207103
The Indians wasted a flight worth of modern aircraft against pak because they didn’t integrate them into their defense network. Do you think a country that lacks working missiles and has barely functioning ships alongside austerity and a budget crisis won’t just have Russian style results against any modern military?
>>64207043
Lol

>>64207043
Also this is a weapons board so you should into weapons instead of just geopolitical shilling
The shitflinging conflict between your Yobs and Migrants is heating up. This is probably the bare minimum you should carry

>>64205270
If you pay more in tariffs but that additional revenue stream allows the government to reduce your income tax, you're better off

the neoliberal way of doing things (brutally punitive taxes on american wagie labor, no tax on foreign imports) is dumb

>>64207690
Deficit for the year is rising though and job growth is at recession levels so less tax income regardless

>>64207538
bongs can get their clothes stolen while wearing them lmao

>>64207690
This anon gets it

>>64207538
>I need a gun because I live in burger Somalia
Based, I agree that your culture is dogshit
>>64207570
Both are sailing so you're retarded. You've completely ignored the fact that crime is under reported, despite myself showing that a year ago.
https://www.themarshallproject.org/2023/07/13/fbi-crime-rates-data-gap-nibrs
You hate the Mail for schizo reasons but you have no trouble using it as a source? lmao I haven't even brought up your China-tier self immolating warships.
Ritual posters, gotta love 'em

>>64208807
Right to bear arms separated villeins from the free in your country. Are you content with having the same legal disabilities a serf held?
Being able to intervene and stop a threat should it become life and death is a big deal. I can short circuit a mass casualty attack, or stand ground at one of your muggings.
I feel very safe in any town so long as I have one of my guns. It is based that any American, regardless of size or appearance is potentially deadly.
> crime is under reported
The CDC and others falsely counted DGU as murder, it was over reported dramatically. The gun violence division has since been punished for cooking the books.
>Imolating
A wasp class equivalent to your light carriers was damaged and we decomed because we have many replacements so why bother with a fix
> Both are sailing so you're
A crippled ship moving under its own power but being non functional isn’t a carrier.

>>64205553
He's indian. He namedropped pakis

>>64209100
https://desuarchive.org/k/search/text/Villein/
https://desuarchive.org/k/search/text/Villeins/
Autism.
Read it again, retard. https://www.themarshallproject.org/2023/07/13/fbi-crime-rates-data-gap-nibrs
>>64209112
This one ain't, he's just schizophrenic and autistic. Probably some kind of stimming behaviour.

Identifying malicious individuals through their writing style and time of day habits is one way to counter anti social fuckwits who think they could just go online and spam cherry picked and debunked stories to cause a headache for Brits.
>>64209100
>pretending to be an aggressively demoralized American
Every time

>>64206961
> The bongo are trying to ban 4chan
The fact is that you are impotently seething that the British casually dealt with some online content in an adult manner. Your mere mention of it just shows the dominant position the UK holds in this matter.

>>64209302
I have never seen anyone as delusional as this poster

>>64209302
Holy cope

>Bong related thread
>jeets, changs, paddies, + every swarthy person in the vicinity rush in to avenge centuries old grudges.
You'd have thought they'd processed the trauma by now.

>>64206084
they've owned it for hundreds of years. are we russia now? are we going to make unfound territorial claims on our allies now?

>>64210272
never while they can still squeeze gibs out of it from retarded bongs
many of us other ex-dominions have gotten over it

>>64209100
>the average euro/bong hating mutt poster is an autistic gay bottom that larps with an Airsoft pistol
Nice to have my suspicions confirmed

>>64209290
Deal with it bitch, I might be carrying outdated joke weapons but they’re still unobtainium for you
>>64209302
Actually they won https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/clyjq40vjl7o.amp
Also trump put his boot on starmer’s head and forced him to stop messing with American tech companies. Starmer and Rishi and Kemi are all jokes. What kind of country are you selecting people like that as your leaders. They make our meh leaders look good by comparison.
> dominant
Your country is irrelevant and poor but is still deluded into thinking it runs the world and tries to force its unfree model on others.
>>64211040
They’re real guns and I repair them and make videos out of them this is America. Even autistic twinks have gats
Deal with it https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=NpLPWztJA6I

>>64210272
>>64209112
They already won: Olukemi Olufunto Adegoke Badenoch, Rishi, Khan and the others running your developing country are all colonial citizens. They literally have dual citizenship and spent much of their time in their other countries.

Olukemi In particular keeps ranting about traditional Yoruba values and why Britain must adopt things like stoning gays to death. That’s why the Conservative Party she leads keeps screaming about faggots.

The colonies won and they’re forcing brutal traditional laws on your country and even captured your traditionalist parties.

>>64206961
>>64209100
>>64211414
I wonder how hard your dad (and/or mom) must have ignored you that you have become like this.

>>64211475
Like what?
I’m actually a doctor, and I’m carrying what by your country is an arsenal and crime proof. If anything this is the Athenian ideal of a man.

I’m not afraid. At all. You get mugged and scream. It’s sad, I read about you or big Dutch men getting mugged by teens and you just scream and get beaten up. Even your ongoing riots are laughable, it’s people with pointy sticks flinging shit. You are literally flinging shits during riots. You’ve been domesticated into cattle.
I couldn’t ever live like that.

>>64211531
>Like what?
Oversharing, trying to justify your existance to everyone who speaks to you, making up stories about everyone who talks to you, so you preemptively can feel superior to them,...

>>64211556
>superior
Projection from a napoleonic syndrome country. I like the American way that’s all. Only here would you find a place where doctors and scholars also are packing heat. You don’t even belong in k or like this place given that you treat weapons as evil and scary rather than something akin to a car.
Maybe that’s why you push nationalist chest beating to vicariously makeup for being powerless

Yay Trump cleared of wrongdoing by Epstein victims!

>>64211721
>k

>>64211734
sauce

>>64211721
It's like you have no self awareness or consciousness, you just lap onto the first suitable input you can process and then start to form a reply like an automaton. You deluded yourself into the believe when people give up on you it means that you won without realizing what a miserable existance what you call your life is.

>>64211771
Victims press conference. One of the victims lawyers claims DJT was helping him nail JE. We got so lucky with Trump

>>64211828
>One of the victims lawyers
So only one and it's a lawyer representing them... I wouldn't hold my breath but I do wish the best for Orange man

>>64211841
That’s including the fact that there is no evidence against him. Our boy is in the clear

>>64211734
>>64211828
>>64211841
>>64211866
>[Redacted] again
Meh, they'll continue releasing meaningless red herrings for retarded schizo's to chase in order to try and demoralize normalfags or the occasional schizo (who isn't retarded) regardless of whether a Republican or Democrat is in office.

Lemme know when someone goes rouge and dumps everything uncensored and unredacted on Archive dot org.

>>64211531
the Athenian ideal is sitting around, talking politics and buggering boys while your slaves do the hard work.
I'm glad you admit to being a pederast, I'm sure you'll need the heat once their dads find out

>>64211531
>I’m actually a doctor, and I’m carrying what by your country is an arsenal and crime proof. If anything this is the Athenian ideal of a man.
MD? If so, no, not really, medicine was a shit science to Athenians.

>>64211905
Projecting your anti-west ideology at all Olukemi? You might be used to grooming little children but with Athens it was young men who had just taken their citizenship oath (at 18-20) and were attending their military academy.
So a little weird but Ancient Greece is literally way less pedo than your traditions or England.

Also, I’m a twink. The whole point is to appeal to straight acting men so barking up the wrong tree.
>slaves
Intelligent, brave and worthy people could attain Athenian citizenship. It was meritocratic. And yes they had to be able to handle a weapon
>>64211993
Asclepius Reached apotheosis for being a doctor so nah. Also, I’m in science.

Mods how the fuck can you look at this thread and conclude any of it is on topic?

>>64212442
Mod is a coping euro and seems to treat UK threads as a safe space. Should have seen him crying in the Venezuelan boat killer thread

>>64211805
Autism is no laughing matter, ritual posting on an anonymous image board is just is one of the most overt signs here.
>>64212442
Rapeape imported a bunch of thirdies, they enjoy this sort of stuff.

>>64212498
This guy says ritual posting a lot. It’s only one guy

>>64212544
Yes, I'm the only anon that's mentioned it this thread. From now on I'll call it stimming, if it'll make you feel better.
https://desuarchive.org/_/search/text/Ritual%20posting/
https://arch.b4k.dev/_/search/text/Ritual%20posting/
All me btw

>>64212563
Very autistic
Is that what your third world country tells you to repeat as part of your autism therapy?

>>64211805
>It'S LiKe yOu hAvE no seLF Awareness Or coNSciOUsnesS, YOU juSt LAp OnTo THE first suiTABLE inPUt yOU CaN prOCesS AnD tHEN StaRt TO FOrM a RePlY LIKe aN AuToMAtOn. YOU DelUdED yOuRSElF iNtO the BElIeVe WHEn pEOPLe gIvE up On YOU iT mEAnS thAt YOu wON WiThoUt realIziNg WHaT a MiSeRABLe EXistANcE wHaT You call yOUr Life IS.
You literally have nothing on topic with /k/. You hate and fear weapons and the only tangent you have is constantly hyping a country with near zero military power.

… you then throw tantrums at anyone who mocks your country or state of affairs and call them Russians since your ego can only survive if those laughing at you are equally pathetic.

So I just shared a little: surprise, I’m an American twinkchad not a fat sad cow of a man like bingbongbangs and I’m perfectly combat capable even if I’m limiting myself to BF1 guns. Truly a sign of just how high the power level in America is.

>>64205785
>Reddit invader once again forced to imitate the heart and soul of 4chan to try to blend in here

>64212824
>i'LL sHOw YoU wHaT aN rEaL aRGuMenT LoOkS LiKe!
>*jakposts*
Wat?

>>64206114
>Vance wins in 2028
No one likes vance.

>>64212824
Glad to see you put it into words better than I ever could. Bongshill is probably the worst regular poster on this board

>>64212832
/pol/ is newfag. Real ogs remember trolling neocons and Christians.

>>64212841
>nick fuentes told me Vance is a big dummy

>>64206945
>Attempting to tie an identity to someone to shame them away

>>64206957
Replacing "white male" with something else does not create an argument.

>>64212861
The sad little glowie is trying so hard to protect bongland’s reputation, that his script is kinda too obvious now

>>64212842
Any time people call him bongshill now, he’s going to start posting desuarchive links and claiming it’s all the same person, per his training haha

>>64212843
>Real ogs remember trolling neocons and Christians.
fun times

>>64212498
>Rapeape imported a bunch of thirdies, they enjoy this sort of stuff.
>Redditors are still trying to gaslight us about how 4chan management totally isn't under the control of infiltrating Redditors despite the objective proof

>>64209100
>>64211414
>>64211531
"Post Guns" has been turned into a double-bind mind game by liberals.

>>64209100
>>64211414
>>64211531
I've added you to my compilation of how /k/ culture has been corrupted by invaders.

>>64212950
>>64212956
>redditfugee
>calling others invaders

>>64212959
>t.

>>64212964
go back to your containment board newfag

>>64212969
How many of our memes do you use to try to blend in here?

>>64212975
I've been here since '06 newfag

>>64212987
Sure thing warriortard

>>64212832
>>64212843
>>64212936
Find true enlightenment, both Libshits and Cuckservatives are easy to turn red with fury. Bonus points for taking the time to learn about other cultures and religions not native to your land and offending them too.

>>64212999
>Sure thing warriortard
lmao you really couldn't think of a better comeback than that? so how long have you been here btw?

>>64212956
Put this into the collage pls

>>64212832
Hello dirlewangerschizo
https://desuarchive.org/k/search/image/u6Wvh4sF60z_FoeDf0oRhg/
>>64212840
Stimming, just search "jak" in the last meltie example.
https://desuarchive.org/k/thread/62205617/#62213129
Autism is a blight upon humanity.

>>64212956
>>64212950
"POst gUNs" HAS beEn tUrNEd IntO a DOublE-BInD MINd GAMe By LibeRaLs.
I'VE AdDeD YOu To my cOMpiLATION OF how /k/ cULtuRe hAS BeEN COrRUpted BY iNVADERs
You could just post guns bitch. Everyone you accused of being warriortard posted a few of their guns to btfo your cope

https://desuarchive.org/k/search/image/dyUOk1A-Zy46EZWM1wIqCQ/
Gayest shit I've read this week

>>64213026
Not me bongcel schizo.
Imagine being so fragile you have to believe everyone that laughs at you is just one Russian.

If you have untreated autism then fix it. If you have schizo (you do) fix it. You clearly hate what this board is about so why are you here just to pick a fight with everyone?
This is a post and swap gun tips board.

>>64213037
I am a twink.
And yes I do usually carry a PPK on dates. It’s an American thing.
Deal with it.

>>64213048
>>64213064
>le double blind mindgames!!!
>NAFONAFONAFO!
fuck off newfag

>>64213051
???
I clearly made a distinction between your effeminate ass and the walking Geneva contravention, get some rest bruv.
I can understand the similarities, you're both clowns, you're both trying build identities on a site that goes against it and you both have doxxed yourselves or a speed running towards it.
Again, stimming.

>>64213064
I hear they tell commonwealthoids not to go around randomly picking fights in America as it’s a good way to end up paralyzed.
Keeping a hint of chivalry and duel culture seems to prevent much senseless violence. You do not randomly start beating up people without a high risk of getting shot here.

>>64213072
you never answered when I asked when you got here. was it when r/the_donald died, or was it later?

>>64213076
You mean like all the time random anons get accused of being some random identity out of nowhere (because you're losing the argument against them) and just get confused over who you're taking about?

>>64213076
>doxed
This is America.
Twinks with guns are dime a dozen. You’d have to go after every twink with a posh voice and pat them down. Good luck, my PPK is on my crotch.

Also you’re still doing the everyone who laughs at my country is all one guy shtick. In reality you hate the dominant board culture and are of course going to get weird reactions for counter cultural threads like this.
Why not. You’re advancing the only state/militia have gun rights not individuals argument that lost in America

>>64213076
>get some rest bruv.
Thanks btw
It’s been a long day

>>64212936
holy shit I finally found the pic that I'd wanted to post

>>64213093
>Twinks with guns are dime a dozen.
They really ain't, hence the mockery.
If you and >>64213088 don't want to be called autistic then you'll need to get new material and stop repeating your schizo shit in a readily identifiable manner.
Or you might just get off to this shit, it would explain the intensity.

>>64213112
>They really ain't
Are you American? How would you know if not? Everyone on the /lgbt/ femboy thread years ago had nickeled berettas despite people there also messing with shady hormones
Guns are just that common

This thread is a Bong version of an Armatard thread

>>64213112
It’s a humiliation ritual. Anyone who goes online and spreads disinfo about the UK gets off on being a lolcow of sorts. Britain is something you don’t want to mess with.

>>64213418
This is the British conservative chieftain. The last PM was from India BTW.

>this whole thread
Just fucking nuke the site holy shit

>>64213602
Better not to nuke it. Let the vatniks and other Russian influence actors seething against the UK steep in their own humiliation

>>64213624
Bruh
You’re scared of guns and a prohibited person. Isn’t that the ultimate humiliation in a weapons board?

>>64213624
While I agree in principle, they seem singularly immune to embarrassment, if I posted even one of their weapons grade seetheposts I'd immediately sepukku myself, or would possibly just burst into flame right in front of the keyboard before I could even reach for a katana
I can only assume they don't realise that they lose so much face by openly and ritualistically seething about whatever thing has offended them this week

>>64213627
Says the guy that everyone is mocking

/k/ is more than civilian larpies

>>64213695
>sAyS tHE GUy ThaT EVErYOnE is MockINg
Queen Victoria using the royal we, I see? Your delusions extend to thinking you are myriads.
> k/ iS mOrE THAn cIVilIaN LarPies
You’re an unarmed civilian Larpy and literal felon equivalent
Also
Armed civilians are the first line of defense. You just can’t stand the thought of non felons drawing on criminals

>>64207570
Manipulated statistical comparison, not a great look. It is the daily mail though.
Not only are bong statistics more accurate, the definitions are often more broad than would be found in other nations.
Rape/sexual assault for instance includes all forms of sexual harassment too, whereas in nations like they US the definition is stricter to only mean penetrative sex.

Note how the only comparisons for homicide rate were 4 WESTERN European nations.

Also its hilarious that the tories are even bringing it up when they spend 14 years of misery creating a worse environment, but the reality is crime has been falling for over two decades.
https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2013/jun/24/blog-posting/social-media-post-says-uk-has-far-higher-violent-c/
You are filthy lying scum.

As for "stripped of parts" they just retrofitted one to get one running while they backlogged the new propshaft design. They couldn't use their spares because they were also of the flawed design, new ones needed making, they've both been fixed for a while.

Kill yourself warriortard.

>>64213681
>WHIlE I AgrEE IN PrIncipLe, they Seem sInGuLarly IMMunE To EmbaRRaSsMEnt, IF i posteD eVeN OnE oF THEIr wEaPONs GrAde SeEThePoSTs I'D IMmedIateLy sEpUKkU mySElF, OR would possIBLY jusT BuRST inTo FlamE RiGHT in fRoNT of THE KeyboarD BefOrE i coUlD Even reaCh fOR A katAnA
> CAn ONlY aSsUmE THeY DON't RealisE thaT tHeY LoSe sO muCH face By opEnly AnD riTuALiSticallY sEEThIng ABoUt whaTeVeR THINg HAs OFFeNdEd TheM THIs wEeK
Post fedora sword
Humiliation can’t happen when you’re in a weapons thread, hate and fear weapons, never post weapons and the only tangent you can post is sarrstyle nationalism.

Which is sad as your country has about as much military power as India. Possibly a bit less, is a developing economy and made you an effective felon (prohibited person for guns).
>>64213728
>tories
Tbf they seemed to do much to make you a shithole faster but lab has identical policies. Uniparty regime.
> As fOR "STrIPPeD of PArTS" They jUsT rEtrOfITTed onE To get oNe rUNniNg wHIlE ThEy bAcKloGgEd THE neW propsHaft DesigN. tHeY couLDN't uSE THEir spareS BECaUsE THEy wERe ALSo of THE fLAwED deSIgn, New oNES neEDED MAKIng, TheY'VE BOtH bEen fIxed for a wHiLE.
Nice way of saying you have the equivalent of two wasp class assault ships/light carriers and one of them is crippled.
India has a more capable military and they just lost a war.

See what I mean? They almost seem to relish making lolcows out of themselves

>blah blah blah guns are banned waaaaaaaaa
The bongs are why you even have gunpowder in North America fuckwit

Good lord

Because there isn’t a free for all “first amendment” disinformation and Russian influence zone, or a “second amendment” free for all shooting zone, doesn’t mean Britain is not owning vatniks every day with weapons excellence.

>>64213728
>Rape/sexual assault for instance includes all forms of sexual harassment too, whereas in nations like they US the definition is stricter to only mean penetrative sex.
Oh good, it's only 60,000 people a year being sexually touched without consent in the UK and not penetrated
gooooal

Wumaos trying some divide et impera shit in this thread. Remember, China, that no matter how retarded and standoffish the US gets, Europe will never choose you.

>>64213759
>> SEE WhAT i meAN? tHey almoSt SEEM tO RElISh makINg LOlCoWS OUt oF tHEmSELVes
Says the thirdy with felon status to weapons enjoyers in a weapons board.
> THE BONgs Are Why yOu EVen HAvE gunpoWDER IN nORtH AMErIca fucKWIT
Mostly because a mad king tried to disarm colonists and enraged them so much they designed a constitution in the polar opposite of the Bongo (federalism, separation of powers and shall not be infringed on gun ownership).

Bongo Bongo was one of the last Europeans to use powder, which lead to decisive defeat at the Castillon campaign.
>owning
If you mean your missiles working about as well as your crippled “carrier” and your embassy being bombed with impunity. Really though your weapons don’t matter which is why after potus started reducing the flow tumors Ukie territorial losses accelerated. Nothing is close to American arms

>is why after potus started reducing the flow tumors Ukie territorial
Threat indicators galore

Is this one wumao or glavset dialect??

>>64213816
Transatlantic dialect. It’s true though. https://www.thetimes.com/us/american-politics/article/us-russia-deal-west-bank-occupation-ukraine-wfvnt6v6f
You’re fucking useless and all your rhetoric was hollow, you can’t even keep your embassies from being bombed.
>>64213806
Trump is trying for detente with china which is why he refused to sanction them like India and is negotiating a deal. Europe (especially Britain) might be irrelevant in his eyes.

>>64213080
Damn, been at least a decade since I last saw this pic. All too applicable to most posts these days.

>>64213830
>Transatlantic dialect
like balls that's Transatlantic
did you just find a new buzzword to wave at idiots?

>Bongo Bongo
>Desu it
>it's nearly all one guy
Stimming.

>>64209302
Post your guns

>>64206494
Most the ships of the Royal Navy are reaching end of service life after they had it extended, the Type 23s are finally being retired from service after serving for double the intended time with the Type 26s and Type 31s coming into service from 2028 onwards. The Type 45s are having their replacements being drawn up to come into service in the latter half of the next decade. The biggest problem for the Royal Navy is lack of sailors so it can't operate all the ships and boats it currently has but, that's a problem shared by of a lot of militaries.

>>64206084
Same reason some countries actually belong to the French.

>>64206148
You don't really need ACs when the average temperature in Europe is way lower and the housing is actually properly insulated

>>64204285
Russia? The current admin is actively choking on vatnik semen and trying to gain the approval of head banana-boy.
China, not so much though the bark is much worse than the bite,

>>64206968
>When Trump was in office it was dangerous/fake
I would like a statement from the category: things that didn't happen.

>>64206437
>"but you have to pay for a thing you bought" is where we're at.
Purchasing power is very relevant yes.

>>64204253 (OP)
Italy already did this like a year ago

>>64207103
>>64205614
>>64205650
The F-35, has already been compromised:

>Americans decided to sell F-35 to Singapore.
>Doesn't realize that Singapore is another Communist China province.
>Singapore allowed PLAAF 'technician' to inspect the F-35 in the name of Chinese brotherhood and supremacy
>Just a year later F-35 got surpassed by advanced Shenyang FC-31 version.

I laughed hard when I saw news that the US is going to sell F-35s to Singapore. The moment those jets land in Singapore there is going to be an army of Chinese spies ready to dig into whatever areas they haven't stolen already. Many seething Australians on /k/ have already been sounding the alarm since the US decided to sell the F-35 to Singapore as they believe it compromises Australia's air defense to China. While the US can afford to replace the F-35 with something new in 20 years Australians are going to be stuck with them for at least 50.

>one more schizo shill joins in to finally kick the thread over the bump limit
Pottery.

Only the British could think sailing to Japan is newsworthy

>>64214597
It’s news enough for you to cry about it, turdie

>>64214689
>QE manages to sail to Japan
>bongs think this is impressive

>>64214797
Mediocrity is an Englishman’s birthright

>>64214797
Alright this one made me chuckle.

>>64214354
>if i keep spamming my metodichka people will suddenly start accepting it
you have a mental illness.

>wumaos still coping like mad
China is facing increasing unrest and protests by pro democracy human rights activists, and this casual curb stomping of their regional claims was a class act and well timed by the bongs.

>>64214797
Cope

>>64214893
>yet more impotent seethe from Russian or Chinese influence bots

>>64214797
When you consider it’s a crippled ship functioning at the level of Bonhome Richard after the fire it is
> Britain is facing increasing unrest and protests by pro democracy human rights activists, and this casual curb stomping of their Kiev embassy was a class act and well timed by the ziggers.

Ngl bombing the bong embassy is the only good thing they’ve done so far

>>64216246
>When you consider it’s a crippled ship functioning at the level of Bonhome Richard after the fire it is
Source, my autistic headcanon
>Ngl bombing the bong embassy is the only good thing they’ve done so far
Obsessed