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Anonymous No.64208482 [Report] >>64208504 >>64208564 >>64208570 >>64208572 >>64208629 >>64208848 >>64208874 >>64209046 >>64209441 >>64209786 >>64209911 >>64210195 >>64210221 >>64210608
What weapon was this?
Anonymous No.64208504 [Report] >>64208537 >>64208629
>>64208482 (OP)
probably hellfire or APKWS
Anonymous No.64208524 [Report] >>64208956 >>64210053
A copy of the Epstein files with wings glued onto them.
Anonymous No.64208537 [Report] >>64208552 >>64209237
>>64208504
Hellfire R-9X maybe?
Anonymous No.64208552 [Report] >>64208561
>>64208537
Are you retarded?
Anonymous No.64208561 [Report] >>64209237
>>64208552
Yes
Anonymous No.64208564 [Report] >>64208566
>>64208482 (OP)
This could have been an easy Coast Guard arrest. Boat narcos aren't known to shoot it out with the military.
Anonymous No.64208566 [Report] >>64208569 >>64209064
>>64208564
Counterargument - Less Narcos
Anonymous No.64208569 [Report] >>64208587 >>64208588 >>64208589 >>64208612 >>64208661 >>64208713 >>64208719 >>64208741 >>64208958 >>64209217 >>64209452 >>64209710 >>64209746 >>64209786 >>64209817
>>64208566
counterargument - continual loss of US soft power and looking like worse psychos than the Chinese on the world stage
Anonymous No.64208570 [Report]
>>64208482 (OP)
I'm thinking it might be airburst based on frag.
Anonymous No.64208572 [Report]
>>64208482 (OP)
I'll let Sal tell me
Anonymous No.64208587 [Report] >>64208590 >>64208646 >>64208820
>>64208569
Narcos aren’t human and need to be exterminated like vermin
Anonymous No.64208588 [Report] >>64208590
>>64208569
I've been hearing about this stupid ass "soft power", mf'er shove up your ass. "soft power" is how you get chuds
Anonymous No.64208589 [Report]
>>64208569
>If you kill your enemies they win
Anonymous No.64208590 [Report] >>64208595
>>64208588
>>64208587
>t. fat ottoman nobles circa 1913
Anonymous No.64208595 [Report] >>64208616
>>64208590
yea, loss of softpower is how they got railroaded by Euro armies
Anonymous No.64208600 [Report] >>64208607
>AUUUUGGGHHHHH NOT THE LOSS OF SOFT POWER! DONALD TRUMP YOU RAT, HOW COULD YOU GIVE YOUR OLD PAL AMERICA THE OL LOSS OF SOFT POWER!?
Anonymous No.64208607 [Report]
>>64208600
>even in anon's retarded joke, the victim of the prank is America itself
Yeah, we know, anon.
Anonymous No.64208608 [Report] >>64208645
is this hard or soft power?
Anonymous No.64208612 [Report] >>64208800
>>64208569
I doubt anyone actually cared about these guys getting blown up desu.
Anonymous No.64208616 [Report]
>>64208595
What else happened in 1913?
Anonymous No.64208629 [Report] >>64208637 >>64208744
>>64208482 (OP)
>>64208504
Looks like a Griffin. Warhead appears to airburst, is too small to be a Hellfire, and APKWS isn't operationally integrated on many (any?) UAVs.
Anonymous No.64208637 [Report]
>>64208629
Where are you seeing anything that it's a UAV? Griffin is certainly a possibility, but IIRC most of the combat aircraft that'd be in the area could carry APKWS.
Anonymous No.64208645 [Report]
>>64208608
Soft, any country can ban sites at will.
Anonymous No.64208646 [Report] >>64208717 >>64208838
>>64208587
Sure, but until the US stops doing mountains of drugs every day there will always be some enterprising people doing whatever it takes to be the ones selling it to them. A naval blockade of South America is neither realistic nor a sustainable approach. This is 100% theater for consumption of MAGA voters at home.
Anonymous No.64208658 [Report]
Bros...I can feel my power getting softer....limper...
Anonymous No.64208661 [Report]
>>64208569
Holy fuck you're a faggot
Anonymous No.64208683 [Report]
soft, limp, onions, vegan, low T generation... I think we are about to reach hard times (ww3)
Anonymous No.64208713 [Report]
>>64208569
>counterargument - continual loss of US soft power
Anonymous No.64208716 [Report]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kdU0h8SP1Jo
Anonymous No.64208717 [Report]
>>64208646
If by "whatever it takes" you mean "die" then less people will be prepared to do it. This is generally how law enforcement works. Risk v. Reward.
Anonymous No.64208719 [Report] >>64208731
>>64208569
>Send task force explicitly stating "If you try to send drug boats through we will kill you"
>Try to send boat through
>Gets killed
>How could this happen???
America is losing influence by... demonstrating a willingness to use force? I thought thirdies loved that shit?
Anonymous No.64208731 [Report]
>>64208719
Our soft power has gone flaccid!!!
Anonymous No.64208738 [Report] >>64208764
>tfw watching soft-power anon get absolutely cooked
Anonymous No.64208741 [Report]
>>64208569
Telling someone what you're going to do and then doing it does not make you look insane.
Anonymous No.64208744 [Report] >>64208752
>>64208629
>Looks like a Griffin
This, or GBU-44 Viper Strike. You can see the fragments go from port to starboard on the boat, so, it came in from the port side (left) side of the boat.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JukOVUg2Dr0&
Anonymous No.64208752 [Report]
>>64208744
>They used a little missile — very tiny, folks, like a toy, boom, took out a narco boat, unbelievable — but I say we need a much bigger one, the biggest, maybe we send it down to Venezuela where, by the way, the people love me, they love me more than they love their own leaders, who are very, very bad hombres, the worst!
Anonymous No.64208764 [Report] >>64208778 >>64208779 >>64208782 >>64208783 >>64209454 >>64209747
>>64208738
more like watching the complete lack of geopolitical knowledge of the average american /k/ poster at display
Anonymous No.64208778 [Report]
>>64208764
Post PHD.
Anonymous No.64208779 [Report]
>>64208764
You've been btfo anon, time to retreat back to stack exchange or whatever gay place you call home
Anonymous No.64208782 [Report] >>64208800
>>64208764
Anonymous No.64208783 [Report] >>64208792
>>64208764
here comes geopolitics/softpower cuck... next he'll tell you biden was softpower goat
Anonymous No.64208792 [Report]
>>64208783
Dont you understand? You cant just DO THINGS. If you just DO THINGS you lose soft power. Soft power is very important as, beyond its flaccid nature, you can exchange it for NOTHING. Doing NOTHING is the most important thing. To do NOTHING you need that juicy, flaccid, soft power.
Anonymous No.64208793 [Report] >>64208797
the only people "reeeeeee'ing" about softpower and geopolitics are eurocucks that got used to freeriding on american support
Anonymous No.64208797 [Report] >>64208798
>>64208793
there are midwits who think "soft power" is a real thing, because someone somewhere taught them that soft power is a real thing. There is nothing more dangerous, nothing that is a greater impediment to just doing things, than midwits.
Anonymous No.64208798 [Report] >>64208806
>>64208797
Soft power is a real thing, but anon is being a retard about it. Of course, strikes like these will either be rare or catch an unintended target. I tend to think this is just a propaganda move.
Anonymous No.64208800 [Report] >>64208804 >>64208808
>>64208612
It's a stupid thing to attack Trump for, the real loss of soft power is acting like he's senile and canceling the very trade agreements he made during his last term acting like it's some unfair deal imposed by other countries on America
>>64208782
>controversey
do not mock the Trumps, sir.
Anonymous No.64208804 [Report] >>64208810 >>64208816
>>64208800
>it's some unfair deal imposed by other countries on America
Kek. Not understanding negotiation. Being a total tool works.

>Awww jeez this is the worst deal!
>b-but you made it..
>nah didn't. New deal fuck you.
>that's not f-fair
>fuck you new deal
Anonymous No.64208806 [Report] >>64208814 >>64208822 >>64208981
>>64208798
Soft power is utterly meaningless. It cannot be weighed, measured or quantified. It has no rate of exchange. It has no means of storage. Its nothing. There is only power. There is direct power - a Marine division hitting your nations shores or a JDAM coming through your ceiling - and there is indirect power - bribery, economic pressure, economic incentives, kompromat, a CSG parked in your EEZ.
Anonymous No.64208808 [Report]
>>64208800
the problem with those international agreements is it caused hollowing out of real manufacturing of america... good job you now you got yourself softpower but no hardpower. Except the country you lost manufacturing to doesn't give a shit about your softpower.
Anonymous No.64208810 [Report] >>64208854
>>64208804
>>Awww jeez this is the worst deal!
>>b-but you made it..
>>nah didn't. New deal fuck you.
>>that's not f-fair
>>fuck you new deal
Thats how the world works.

t. Three years at Norton Rose doing M&A.
Anonymous No.64208814 [Report]
>>64208806
It seems thirdies need a reminder that violence is the supreme authority from which all other authority is derived.
It's ironic to me that they screech about muh evil murica using evil meanie force :((((( while simultaneously cheering on violent thugs that happen to be fellow thirdies.
Anonymous No.64208816 [Report] >>64208828 >>64208846 >>64208853
>>64208804
>fuck you new deal
then all China has to do is be a better trade partner and all of a sudden there's no reason to trade with America anymore.
what exactly is the point of behaving like this?
Anonymous No.64208820 [Report] >>64208824 >>64208858 >>64208962 >>64209217
>>64208587
Except that there is 0 proof that they were narcs since they just blew up a boat with 11 people on it. This could have been refugees or fishermen or anything. Was it narcs? Probably. But now you have to trust what big daddy Trump is saying. Like a good little bootlicker.
Anonymous No.64208822 [Report] >>64208832 >>64208957
>>64208806
>It cannot be weighed, measured or quantified.
But it can and is routinely measured and quantified based on actual mathematical models, dipshit. There are entire disciplines about this. Do you enjoy being stupid?
Anonymous No.64208824 [Report] >>64208859
>>64208820
>But now you have to trust what big daddy Trump is saying.
This is generally how the system works. You vote for someone because you trust him. He then runs the country with a mandate built upon your vote. And yes, I trust the USN to have effective kill chains.
Anonymous No.64208827 [Report] >>64208831 >>64208835 >>64208895
>Muh China
You shills realize that drug traffickers in China get the rope right ?
Anonymous No.64208828 [Report]
>>64208816
Trump is an orange nigger, if you hadn't noticed.
>selling advanced chips to China is banned because of national security reasons
>but you can circumvent these bans by paying the white house directly
>I'm totally not going to embezzle this money, btw.
>Buy my crypto scam.
Anonymous No.64208831 [Report] >>64208837 >>64208852
>>64208827
And you realize that living in China and next to it is dogshit, right? You realize this is why the countries around them take every opportunity to fuck them over, right? Soft power isn't stronger than a multi-trillion dollar war machine. It is, however a lot cheaper and doesn't wear out unless you wear out your welcome.
Anonymous No.64208832 [Report] >>64208850
>>64208822
HOMG there are indices!?!? Built on metrics like "digital engagement"!?! Well it must be real then. Clown.
Anonymous No.64208835 [Report]
>>64208827
...which is why China makes deals with Meth kingpins in Myanmar who kidnap Chinese citizens and forces them into slave labor?
Anonymous No.64208837 [Report] >>64208845
>>64208831
>China is shit because they have capital punishment for drug peddling
>thats it, thats the sole reason
>its also the reason other nations take a dim view of them
Anonymous No.64208838 [Report] >>64208840
>>64208646
Red states consume 40% more drugs per capita, if he actually stopped drug trafficking the gop voter base would die from withdrawals.
Anonymous No.64208840 [Report] >>64208871
>>64208838
>woah the party with its power base in states most blighted by drug abuse has a hardline stance on drugs!?!?!? Wow! Weird!
Anonymous No.64208845 [Report] >>64208847
>>64208837
>China is shit because they have capital punishment for drug peddling
Did I say that, or are you having a conversation with your imagined version of someone you disagree with, anon?
Anonymous No.64208846 [Report] >>64208863 >>64208864
>>64208816
Americans have forgotten that having friends is strictly a good thing and what gave the USA its immense power in the first place.
But it’s no surprise, history is littered with individuals and countries getting high on their own farts, becoming to believe that their success comes only from themselves, entirely forgetting how they actually got to the top
Anonymous No.64208847 [Report] >>64208855
>>64208845
>Did I say that
*AHEM*
Anon said
>You shills realize that drug traffickers in China get the rope right ?
To which you responded
>And you realize that living in China and next to it is dogshit, right?
Norktard !5PczJ/8PMc No.64208848 [Report]
>>64208482 (OP)
APKWS would be my guess. It was very accurate and very small. The detonation was small as these things go.

I would go so far as to suggest a APKWS with a DIM since it is such a clean hit.
Anonymous No.64208850 [Report] >>64208863
>>64208832
There are models about it, just like crisis bargaining is also modeled, but you wouldn't know that, again, because you probably barely graduated high-school much less read an actual book in the last ten years.
Anonymous No.64208852 [Report] >>64208861
>>64208831
ofcourse I fucking realize that, it was a jab at all the shills here complaining that the US did something terrible.
hunting drug traffickers like terrorists is based, and im tired of pretending that its not. cant wait for the footage of JDAMs raining down on their mansions and fancy car collections.
Anonymous No.64208853 [Report] >>64208875
>>64208816
> no reason to trade
here is american consumer market compared to chinks and europoors.
Anonymous No.64208854 [Report] >>64208878
>>64208810
> Three years at Norton Rose doing M&A
Can some helpful burger explain, is this supposed to be a flex? Never heard of Norton Rose in my life
Anonymous No.64208855 [Report] >>64208878
>>64208847
Yes. Does that say that this is the sole reason China sucks? Or do you think it might just be indicative of a wider Chinese trend toward shitty governance? I know you probably have learning disability, anon, but that's no excuse to not read things carefully.
Anonymous No.64208858 [Report]
>>64208820
Please educate yourself.
Anonymous No.64208859 [Report] >>64208868
>>64208824
>This is generally how the system works.
He has been lying non stop for the past 6 months.
>And yes, I trust the USN to have effective kill chains.
lol. lmao.
Anonymous No.64208861 [Report] >>64208889
>>64208852
Pursuing drug traffickers is based, anon. There is no debate about that. What people have a problem with, or at least my problem with this is that these aren't going to become common, or that if they do, they will inevitably hit an non-target, leading to fallout from the whole ordeal. This seems to me like a propaganda play, which I guess politicians have to play those games, but I'm not dumb enough to start clapping like a seal without some wider and more concrete policy about the cartels. I'd like to see them gone. I don't think this will do much.
Anonymous No.64208863 [Report] >>64208883 >>64208925
>>64208846
With friends like this, who need enemies.

>>64208850
>Its been modelled!
You can just model things. Doesnt mean they are real.
>because you probably barely graduated high-school
I have an LL.M. Try again.
Anonymous No.64208864 [Report] >>64208925
>>64208846
Friends is good (japan, s. korea), leeches not su much (europe)
Anonymous No.64208868 [Report]
>>64208859
>He has been lying non stop for the past 6 months.
I've won so many "got what you voted for" badges over the last six months I have no where to keep them all.
Anonymous No.64208871 [Report] >>64208881
>>64208840
This still doesn't change the reality that a large part of their voters are tweakers. He literally can't stop the drugs and he knows this. Fuck, there is 0 chance he didn't enjoy some blow himself.
Anonymous No.64208874 [Report]
>>64208482 (OP)
why no tracking on the second shot ?
looks manually aimed
Anonymous No.64208875 [Report] >>64208890
>>64208853
This is a direct consequence of being the current world hegemony, being able to print paper and purchase real goods with it.
If the dollar stops being the #1 undisputed currency (this is where soft power is super important btw) things can start changing real quick
Anonymous No.64208878 [Report] >>64208891
>>64208855
Killing drug peddlers is shitty governance?
>I know you probably have learning disability, anon, but that's no excuse to not read things carefully.
I read it very carefully, hence I detected the slight of hand where you attempt to conflate other issues which makes China undesirable or unpopular with this specific issue and mocked you for the clumsy attempt.

>>64208854
Norton Rose Fulbright.
Anonymous No.64208881 [Report] >>64208906
>>64208871
>This still doesn't change the reality that a large part of their voters are tweakers.
Drug addicts are not a large part of anyone's voter base by virtue of being drug addicts. They tend to have lots of felonies and they tend to be preoccupied on election day.
Anonymous No.64208883 [Report] >>64208892
>>64208863
>You can just model things. Doesnt mean they are real.
No, generally speaking these things are real, and you know that.
>LL.M
Oh, so no math. Were the numbers too hard? Is that why you scoff at the idea?
Anonymous No.64208889 [Report]
>>64208861
I openly and unapologetically rejoice in such things, about time these "people" had the fear of gold installed in to them.
Its about time the global south and in particular south america had another operation just cause. it keeps their fuckery contained and reminds them of their true size relevance on the world stage.
Anonymous No.64208890 [Report]
>>64208875
well chinks decided to devalue their currency to be an export power, not my problem
Anonymous No.64208891 [Report] >>64208900
>>64208878
>Killing drug peddlers is shitty governance?
Disproportionate punishment is shitty governance. We have a whole amendment to the Constitution regarding that, but I guess we're just going to ignore that as long as it appeals to our retarded sentiments, aren't we?
> read it very carefully,
Then you need to read it again and probably take remedial English. It might also help to stop arguing with imagined versions of other anons.
> I detected the slight of hand
No, anon. You're just stupid. It's very simple.
Anonymous No.64208892 [Report] >>64208901
>>64208883
>No, generally speaking these things are real, and you know that.
Specifically speaking, this thing is not.
>Oh, so no math. Were the numbers too hard?
I like real things, like money.
Anonymous No.64208894 [Report]
>announce you will be sinking any drug boats in a set area
>Drug boat is sunk
>This makes thirdies absolutely ass-eruptingly mad
Hehe
Anonymous No.64208895 [Report] >>64208899 >>64208904
>>64208827
>You shills realize that drug traffickers in China get the rope right ?
Yes. After the state gives the public proof through a trial. Without proof this was just an execution of people on a boat. That's why the coastguard intercepts them and takes a picture with the drugs.
You retards are accepting that the guy who deploys the military into the states of your own country gets to blow people up just because he says they were drug trafficking. This could be you in your truck driving to your cabin next, and anons would cheer watching the video of it because Trump says you belonged to the Viking Bikers from Hell.
Anonymous No.64208899 [Report]
>>64208895
I have no theory of mind, bad things can never happen to me, you are a terrorist.
Anonymous No.64208900 [Report] >>64208909
>>64208891
>Disproportionate punishment is shitty governance.
The disproportionality in question is highly subjective.
>We have a whole amendment to the Constitution regarding that, but I guess we're just going to ignore that as long as it appeals to our retarded sentiments
Our constitution does not apply to foreign nationals in international waters.

Look anon, you got caught and cooked (again). Get over it.
Anonymous No.64208901 [Report] >>64208910 >>64208926
>>64208892
>Specifically speaking, this thing is not.
Its is, and your whole profession is based on things that aren't physically real, dipshit.
>I like real things, like money.
Kek. Now I know that you're trolling. Even you should know that there is a level of abstraction there that only exists in the numbers. Nice job, you got me.
Anonymous No.64208902 [Report]
Oh no someone pwease think of the poor widdoe cartel members! They're heckin good bois and din do muffin! Evil America stop the buwwying!!!
Ahahhaha thirdies SEETHING
Anonymous No.64208904 [Report] >>64208964 >>64208978
>>64208895
>You retards are accepting that the guy who deploys the military into the states of your own country gets to blow people up just because he says they were drug trafficking
No, we are accepting that they can blow up a boat full of foreign nationals in international or foreign waters.
>This could be you in your truck driving to your cabin next
No, it literally cannot.
Anonymous No.64208905 [Report] >>64208929 >>64208940
I don't think you have a complete understanding on how reserve currency status, or balance of payments works. It actually doesn't matter whether or not the USD is king at this point, and there is no replacement on the horizon for the foreseeable future.
Anonymous No.64208906 [Report] >>64208927
>>64208881
Most drug addicts are just normal people, the same as alcohol addicts. The NCDAS says there are 32 million drug addicts in the US, that's 11% of the population and that is not counting alcoholics.
This means more than one in 10 people is addicted, I bet you know more than ten people, it could literally be your aunt and you would have no idea.
Anonymous No.64208909 [Report] >>64208914
>>64208900
>The disproportionality in question is highly subjective.
Not really. Very few Americans would think this would be a fair punishment for using or selling drugs, especially since so many Americans use drugs day to day, and since part of that amendment is "unusual," execution for this would automatically run afoul of the constitution.
>Our constitution does not apply to foreign nationals in international waters
And that's not what my statement was about. It was about the notion that executing drug peddlers like China does does not fit the model of what the US is as a state.
Anonymous No.64208910 [Report]
>>64208901
>Its is, and your whole profession is based on things that aren't physically real, dipshit.
The Law is the purest expression of power and is thus very real. Unlike "soft power".
Anonymous No.64208914 [Report]
>>64208909
>and since part of that amendment is "unusual," execution for this would automatically run afoul of the constitution.
Yes, in America. Luckily, the people we are blowing up are not in America.
>It was about the notion that executing drug peddlers like China does does not fit the model of what the US is as a state.
Maybe thats your notion. We're talking about blowing up Narcos in the Caribbean.
Anonymous No.64208916 [Report] >>64208921
>still trying to argue that the Navy wasn't 100% sure it was a narco boat
It is literally a purpose built smuggler boat refusing all hails and not using a single ship transponder.
Anonymous No.64208920 [Report]
thirdies, if you don't want to die by a drone, try not to smuggle drugs in to usa.
Anonymous No.64208921 [Report]
>>64208916
Anon, its perfectly normal for a open top banana boat with 4x 200hp engines to be doing 30knts through international waters. In fact, this is an ancient custom of the Bomalian indigenous people.
Anonymous No.64208925 [Report] >>64208928 >>64208931 >>64208932
>>64208863
>>64208864
Europe joined you in all your desert adventures, to its massive detriment.
It’s 90% of the reason there are so many fucking muslims trying to flood in.

But it’s okay. Once you actually have to fight, you’ll quickly remember than even shitty friends are 100x better than being alone

Also remind me what % of gdp did japan spend on it’s military the last few decades?
Anonymous No.64208926 [Report]
>>64208901
the law isn't real until they put you in cuffs over unpaid child support
Anonymous No.64208927 [Report]
>>64208906
Definitions matter
>SUD is a complex condition involving the uncontrolled, recurrent use of a substance despite harmful consequences. The condition is characterized by a compulsive drive to seek and use drugs, even when it causes significant impairment in major life responsibilities at home, school, or work.
Anonymous No.64208928 [Report]
>>64208925
lol, lmao
Anonymous No.64208929 [Report] >>64208937 >>64208948
>>64208905
If burgers start printing money at an ever increasing rate. Which it seems like you’re doing based on the ever growing budget deficit. Everything can be flipped on it’s head real quick
Anonymous No.64208931 [Report]
>>64208925
when ziggers invade germany, we'll send as much help you sent to help with desert adventures.... about 1k soldiers (non-combat roles though).
Anonymous No.64208932 [Report] >>64208947 >>64208967
>>64208925
>Europe joined you in all your desert adventures, to its massive detriment.
Britain, alone, sent more than the rest of Europe combined to Afghanistan while also having a huge commitment to Iraq. We had more people in Europe protecting Europe than Europe had in theater in Afghan.

Do not think for a second that your meager commitments are impressive or compelling.
Anonymous No.64208937 [Report]
>>64208929
I see the seething Europeans have entered the chat.
Anonymous No.64208940 [Report] >>64208948
>>64208905
if demand for a currency as a reserve goes up you can print more without incurring inflation.
that huge gap could be made up very fast
Anonymous No.64208947 [Report] >>64208952
>>64208932
>We had more people in Europe protecting Europe than Europe had in theater in Afghan.
annon they aren't there to protect Europe, they where there to sustain the US deployment in the ME.
Anonymous No.64208948 [Report]
>>64208940
>>64208929
It would be painful.
For you.
Anonymous No.64208952 [Report] >>64208973 >>64208977
>>64208947
>they where there to sustain the US deployment in the ME.
Yes, we maintain 60K troops in Europe on a permanent basis since 1950 so we can deploy to the ongoing wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Clown.
Anonymous No.64208956 [Report]
>>64208524
Anonymous No.64208957 [Report]
>>64208822
midwit cope
Anonymous No.64208958 [Report]
>>64208569
clearly this anon hasn't seen any of the drug cartel snuff vids
Anonymous No.64208962 [Report] >>64208971
>>64208820
Yeah the dudes in a boat departing Venezuela with 4 outboards and literal bales of shit visible were just going on a fishing trip. Never mind the fact there's no fishing equipment visible and this exact class of boat is known to be used for drug smuggling for decades at this point
Anonymous No.64208964 [Report] >>64208966
>>64208904
It can.
Anonymous No.64208966 [Report] >>64208988
>>64208964
no, you deranged boomer, it cannot.
Anonymous No.64208967 [Report] >>64208970 >>64211219
>>64208932
Okay? They’re not supposed to be.
Vassals have always been a useless bunch of leeches.
But not having vassals is always much worse.
How much of your logistics was routed through yurop?
Anonymous No.64208970 [Report] >>64208980
>>64208967
>How much of your logistics was routed through yurop?
Not enough to offset the cost of our permanent presence in Europe for the past 80 years.
Anonymous No.64208971 [Report] >>64208974 >>64208984
>>64208962
Nice circumstantial evidence. Sure you didn't execute 11 foreign people in international waters just because they used a boat drug traffickers used too? Surely you aren't terrorists just blowing up venezuelan people because their president was mean to your orange sack of lard?
Anonymous No.64208973 [Report]
>>64208952
>the role of a deployed can't change over time
Anonymous No.64208974 [Report] >>64208983
>>64208971
is this bait?
Anonymous No.64208976 [Report]
Reminder that the 'soft power' people believed building schools and hospitals in Afghanistan would result in the country being thankful for contributions to their development and slowly westernizing in response. Wonder how that panned out.
Anonymous No.64208977 [Report] >>64208981
>>64208952
hmm it's almost like having those troops in Europe was some kind of a power move....a soft one?
Anonymous No.64208978 [Report] >>64208981
>>64208904
>No, it literally cannot.
That's what all the people who got killed by their own government thought. "This CANT be happening to ME!"
Anonymous No.64208980 [Report] >>64208985
>>64208970
What would have been the cost to you if western yurop had been a bunch of commies?
Or are you really truly arguing that your military and strategic decision making has been purely altruistic? Lmao
Anonymous No.64208981 [Report] >>64208987 >>64208995
>>64208977
>.a soft one?
A hard one. See >>64208806

>>64208978
>homg they hekkin killed some cartelerinos in the carribean, that could literally be me!
Anonymous No.64208983 [Report]
>>64208974
You tell me, Osama.
Anonymous No.64208984 [Report] >>64208996
>>64208971
Okay even if they were somehow innocent (they weren't literally 0% chance) I wouldn't care. It's some brown people in the ocean who got blown up I don't give a fuck at all about them. Honestly, they probably deserved to get blown up.
Anonymous No.64208985 [Report] >>64208989
>>64208980
>What would have been the cost to you if western yurop had been a bunch of commies?
You ARE a bunch of commies.
Anonymous No.64208987 [Report] >>64208990
>>64208981
Nah, it’s soft power.
“Trade with us and we’ll protect you from the mean commies.”
You weren’t actually bombing anyone
Anonymous No.64208988 [Report] >>64208992 >>64208993 >>64210327
>>64208966
>they won't just deport US citizens to a prison camp without due process!!
they did
>they won't just kill me without due process!!!!
they will
Anonymous No.64208989 [Report] >>64208993
>>64208985
sucking up to the direct successor of the USSR and becoming increasingly kleptocratic makes the US not communist somehow?
Anonymous No.64208990 [Report] >>64209001 >>64209002
>>64208987
>having a permanent military presence in someones country is "soft power"
Anonymous No.64208992 [Report] >>64209011
>>64208988
No US citizens have been deported, much less to a prison camp. Even if it were to happen they'd most likely be some flavor of brown and I wouldn't care
Anonymous No.64208993 [Report] >>64209011
>>64208988
>>they won't just deport US citizens to a prison camp without due process!!
>they did
Who?

>>64208989
Neither is happening.
Anonymous No.64208995 [Report] >>64208998
>>64208981
no, fear of troops being pulled from Europe is soft power
Anonymous No.64208996 [Report] >>64209004 >>64209006
>>64208984
And there it is.
But don't worry, I won't care once you get interned for "possession of a firearm" either, once he has cleaned up all the other undesirables and the only thing left that could stand in his way are 2A citizens.
Anonymous No.64208998 [Report] >>64209013
>>64208995
That is, again, hard power.
Anonymous No.64209001 [Report] >>64209008 >>64209013
>>64208990
It’s hard power against the commies and soft power towards the Europeans.
It’s not that hard to comprehend
Anonymous No.64209002 [Report] >>64209008
>>64208990
It is. It was hard power when you were occupying West Germany, it is soft power when you station people as a favor in Poland.
Anonymous No.64209004 [Report]
>>64208996
This poster is delusional.
Anonymous No.64209006 [Report]
>>64208996
And there what is, you retarded boomer? You really have no idea what's coming, that's hardly a fringe opinion among men my age.
Anonymous No.64209008 [Report] >>64209018
>>64209001
Its hard power against both. The thing we are measuring are soldiers and tanks and we can directly control peoples behavior via their presence or lack of presence.

>>64209002
Having combat forces in someone's country is definitionally hard power.
Anonymous No.64209009 [Report] >>64209017
guise I'm so soft rn...
Anonymous No.64209011 [Report] >>64209012 >>64209014 >>64209019
>>64208992
>>64208993
kilmar ábrego garcía
Anonymous No.64209012 [Report] >>64209031
>>64209011
>kilmar ábrego garcía
Not a US citizen. Deportation is not a "punishment" so the 5A (due process clause) does not apply.

Try again.
Anonymous No.64209013 [Report] >>64209021 >>64209026
>>64208998
No, it's not. You're not stationing soldiers in the countries to attack THEM.
>>64209001
Anonymous No.64209014 [Report]
>>64209011
Literally not a citizen lmfao you really are a retard. Why do you think he had a removal protection order from El Salvador that he got during immigration proceedings? Do you even fucking think, at all?
Anonymous No.64209017 [Report]
>>64209009
we know you are timmy
Anonymous No.64209018 [Report] >>64209021 >>64209023 >>64209159
>>64209008
You didn’t use that military power to coerce or force Europe to take actions you desire.
You used it as a sign of friendship to build trust and soft power.
“Were a bunch of good guys here to protect you, let’s train together”

Again it’s not hard to comprehend
Anonymous No.64209019 [Report] >>64209025
>>64209011
he isn't a national tough
his treatment might not be just and fair but he isn't a US citizen
Anonymous No.64209021 [Report] >>64209044
>>64209013
We're stationing them there to make sure they play ball.

>>64209018
It started off as a literal occupation. Now, they are so dependent on US forces in Europe that we can coerce their behavior. Hard power. Simple as.
Anonymous No.64209023 [Report] >>64209039 >>64209053
>>64209018
And then all that good will was betrayed by Europe refusing to carry their own weight and becoming reliant on Russian gas imports. The German UN delegation laughed at the notion not more than 8 years ago! Many EU nations pay Russia more for gas than they've given to Ukraine in aid. Hypocrites, the lot of you
Anonymous No.64209025 [Report] >>64209027
>>64209019
>his treatment might not be just and fair but he isn't a US citizen
His treatment has been beyond fair. The only reason he got brought back was because the DoJ fucked up as there was a deportation hold from another judge. That hold only limited his deportation in the sense that he could not be sent to El Salvadore and could be sent anywhere else.
Anonymous No.64209026 [Report] >>64209032 >>64209045
>>64209013
When I was stationed in wiesbaden I attacked Germans every day
Anonymous No.64209027 [Report]
>>64209025
They all get those by lying to the judge about the cartel targeting them by the way, it's the same with the obvious asylum process lies. They're told by their NGO-provided immigration lawyers to do it since the judges will rubber stamp approve it. At least that's how it used to work, things are hopefully changing.
Anonymous No.64209031 [Report] >>64209036 >>64209043
>>64209012
>Deportation is not a "punishment" so the 5A (due process clause) does not apply.
yes they do, supreme court has ruled it so.
Anonymous No.64209032 [Report]
>>64209026
kek.
Anonymous No.64209036 [Report] >>64209054
>>64209031
>yes they do, supreme court has ruled it so.
Supreme has repeatedly ruled that deportation is not a punishment as it is a CIVIL not CRIMINAL matter. See Harisiades v. Shaughnessy.
Anonymous No.64209039 [Report] >>64209041 >>64209048 >>64209057
>>64209023
> betrayed by Europe refusing to carry their own weight
Vassals have *always* been a bunch of leeches. Thats just the nature of of the hegemony-vassal relationship.
And don’t forget you fuckers have bailed Russia out numerous times. Trying to be friends with Russia had a huge US stamp of approval after the 90s
Anonymous No.64209041 [Report]
>>64209039
>Vassals have *always* been a bunch of leeches.
In 1990 the Bundeswehr had 590,000 soldiers and over 2000 tanks. Try again.
Anonymous No.64209043 [Report]
>>64209031
The Supreme Court has routinely held deportation to be an administrative action, not a punishment. There's a reason why immigration court is separate. Some due process rights apply, immigration court is the process due. It's not a criminal trial and there isn't the same standard of evidence. The government only needs to establish that someone is not a citizen, usually pretty easy, and then it's on them to prove legal status.
Anonymous No.64209044 [Report] >>64209047
>>64209021
Hard power occupation turned into soft power friendship building. It’s what you tried to do in Afghanistan, forgetting that you’re dealing with sandniggers instead of white people
Anonymous No.64209045 [Report] >>64209050 >>64209055 >>64209085
>>64209026
I've seen 3 US soldiers in Stuttgart run from a group of turkish teenagers.
Anonymous No.64209046 [Report]
>>64208482 (OP)
>out fishing with your bros when this happens
Anonymous No.64209047 [Report] >>64209052
>>64209044
No, it was a hard power occupation and then an alliance. There is no such thing as "soft power". Friendship means nothing and has never meant anything. Countries arent people.
Anonymous No.64209048 [Report] >>64209062
>>64209039
It was worth trying to turn Russia from an adversary into an at least neutral nation after the fall of the Soviet Union, EU states cozying up to Russian gas after the shit went down in Crimea is a completely different matter and is inexcusable given what we know now.
Anonymous No.64209049 [Report] >>64209068
>64209039
>vassalfag
go suckstart a Remington

incidentally, however
>Trying to be friends with Russia had a huge US stamp of approval after the 90s
in the 90s it was the US telling NATO Europe to beware of a resurgent Russia
Germany claimed that this was a ploy to trick Europeans into buying American weapons to face a defeated foe, and they needed money for rebuilding, and since the war was now over North Americans should keep their noses in North American business
the other European nations agreed

that's how NATO settled on the 2% peacetime defence spending figure... which was promptly ignored by the Europeans anyway
Anonymous No.64209050 [Report]
>>64209045
Yes. We have excellent training on respecting local customs and we know that for Germans, Turks are a "sacred cow" that must be shown the utmost respect and deference.
Anonymous No.64209052 [Report] >>64209056
>>64209047
Counties are inhabited and ruled by people m8
Anonymous No.64209053 [Report] >>64209063
>>64209023
>carry their own weight
the russians aren't even close to matching the europeans and they have no other security risks to speak of.
NATO was made to protect western europe from the soviets.
what more is there for them to spend on/ care about?
Anonymous No.64209054 [Report] >>64209061
>>64209036
and they have recently ruled that it being civil does not matter.
see
Trump v. J. G. G., 604 U.S. ___ (2025)
Anonymous No.64209055 [Report]
>>64209045
not worth getting into shit with a bunch of turkroaches, they've probably got some blood borne diseases you don't want to catch plus you'll probably get chewed out for it
Anonymous No.64209056 [Report] >>64209071
>>64209052
So are corporations. So are gangs. So are Army's. Point?
Anonymous No.64209057 [Report] >>64209080 >>64209116
>>64209039
And it allows you to keep up your supremacy, like back when the US forced Germany to cancel their stealth fighter development.
Anonymous No.64209061 [Report]
>>64209054
>on appeal
You're not smart enough for this.
Anonymous No.64209062 [Report] >>64209066 >>64209073
>>64209048
>what we know now
but didn't know then
Anonymous No.64209063 [Report] >>64209092
>>64209053
Why no mention of the point about gas imports? Could it be because it's an obvious hypocrisy that the euros and their simps have too much shame to admit?
Anonymous No.64209064 [Report] >>64209070
>>64208566
>he actually believes they were narcos
Good goy
Anonymous No.64209066 [Report] >>64209092
>>64209062
It wasn't exactly hard to predict after 2014. Those same EU heads of states had the same intelligence we did, and they would've known the Russians were involved from day one.
Anonymous No.64209068 [Report]
>>64209049
Yeah that’s why you massively bailed out Russia and encouraged both your own and European companies to set up shop there.
You’re mixing up time periods, there was no “resurgent” Russia in the 90s
Anonymous No.64209070 [Report] >>64209078 >>64209091
>>64209064
I'm curious, what do you think they were if not drug smugglers? Who else uses a small boat like that with 4 outboard motors for anything but drug smuggling? It's not like you can say they were fishing, there's no equipment in the boat. Just going out for a nice weekday morning cruise? Why all the bundles of stuff in the boat then?
Anonymous No.64209071 [Report] >>64209075
>>64209056
If you’re good friends with the mob boss you can have massive power even if you’re a cripple
Anonymous No.64209073 [Report] >>64209076 >>64209088 >>64209092
>>64209062
buddy, were you around in December 2021?
the news was full of the Americans and Brits sounding the alarm of an impending invasion, and all the Europeans were saying it wouldn't happen and snidely bringing up the Iraq refrain
Anonymous No.64209075 [Report] >>64209086
>>64209071
Countries arent mob bosses. Stop trying to humanize organizations. They are entities that operate in their self interests. There are no "friendships" only alliances and those alliances are built entirely on self-interest.
Anonymous No.64209076 [Report] >>64209089
>>64209073
>Marcon goes to Moscow to talk to Putin, who invades Ukraine shortly after
kek. Europeans are truly a foolish people.
Anonymous No.64209078 [Report]
>>64209070
>I'm curious, what do you think
he's an axis of evil bot programmed to just sow doubt and dissension, and attempt to discredit any and all Western narratives without a shred of proof

stop thinking of it as a rational and intellectually-honest human being and think of it as a malicious child
or animal
Anonymous No.64209080 [Report] >>64209096
>>64209057
where can I read more about this?
Anonymous No.64209085 [Report]
>>64209045
> german cuck self own
Anonymous No.64209086 [Report]
>>64209075
Friendships are also built on self interest. You’re friends with people who bring enjoyment to your life.
Systems run by humans are “humanized” essentially by definition.
Anonymous No.64209088 [Report] >>64209105
>>64209073
Yeah it's really weird that people don't blindly believe you after you lie to them about wmds.
Anonymous No.64209089 [Report]
>>64209076
He was specifically asked to do so by the Ukrainians, no?
Anonymous No.64209091 [Report]
>>64209070
>who needs more than two guns other than a narco?
Anonymous No.64209092 [Report] >>64209105
>>64209063
>>64209066
the US reset it's relation with Russia how many times?
it's okay for the US to cosy up to Russia but not for Europe to buy cheap gas
>>64209073
perhaps if the US and the UK hadn't lied about Iraq in an effort to rope the rest of Europe along. the rest of Europe would have trusted their warnings in 2021
Anonymous No.64209096 [Report] >>64209119
>>64209080
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/MBB_Lampyridae
Anonymous No.64209105 [Report] >>64209111 >>64209114 >>64209115
>>64209092
>>64209088
Kids, blindly DISbelieving in the absence of information is the act of a child
refusing to follow means you trust your own judgement over that of others
that's fine; we are all our own people here
but if you insist on going your own way, because you trust your own judgement, then you take full responsibility for your actions

so if you take that tack, then Europeans take full responsibility for the massive fuckup of Ukraine 2022 and not knowing that Russia would attack

you cannot have it both ways. you cannot say that "based on my judgement, I looked at the facts, and I made the decision not to believe you and to believe my own judgement instead, and that is why I am doing my own thing instead of following"
and then turn around and say "it's not my fault, I couldn't have known!"

if you couldn't have known, then your responsibility would have been to hand the decision to someone else who might know better.
you didn't.
Europeans didn't.
so you take full responsibility for that mistake.

p.s. and if you insist on beating others over the head with the mistake of Iraqi WMDs from 2003, then 20 years down the line you will still be held accountable for the mistake of Ukraine 2022.
do as you would be done by, or be done by as you did.
Anonymous No.64209111 [Report]
>>64209105
Thank you @grok
Anonymous No.64209114 [Report] >>64209122
>>64209105
tl;dr
don't lie and people will trust you
Anonymous No.64209115 [Report]
>>64209105
> then 20 years down the line you will still be held accountable for the mistake of Ukraine
Obviously, nobody should argue otherwise. It’ll likely take 40-60 years before such a mistake can be forgotten
Anonymous No.64209116 [Report] >>64209119
>>64209057
>when the US forced Germany to cancel their stealth fighter development.
Proof?
Anonymous No.64209119 [Report] >>64209208
>>64209116
See
>>64209096
Anonymous No.64209122 [Report] >>64209136 >>64209138
>>64209114
tl;dr
Europeans are fully responsible for underestimating Russia
Anonymous No.64209136 [Report] >>64209148 >>64209153 >>64209213
>>64209122
>Europeans
Eastern Europe is the reason that Ukraine endured the first 12 months.
Bulgaria alone is responsible for 1/3rd of the weapons currently in use by the Ukrainian armed forces.
Anonymous No.64209138 [Report]
>>64209122
Yes we are.
Hopefully a mistake we’ll never repeat again.
Anonymous No.64209148 [Report]
>>64209136
yeah because they knew Berlin would sell them out in a heartbeat if Ukraine fell
>Bulgaria alone is responsible for 1/3rd of the weapons currently in use by the Ukrainian armed forces
don't be silly

anyway, this particular graph by NATO is an excellent summary of who was paying attention and who wasn't
Anonymous No.64209153 [Report] >>64209157 >>64209170
>>64209136
No point in arguing about any given country.
Eastern yurop could not convince western yurop to not be retarded. But in the end blame lies on Europe as a whole.
So just learn from mistakes, east has to shout even louder and the west has to stop being a bunch of pussies
Anonymous No.64209157 [Report] >>64209169
>>64209153
>the west has to stop being a bunch of pussies
Is such a thing even possible?
Anonymous No.64209159 [Report]
>>64209018
You can't reason with them, anon. It's literally just zigger mentality. They only understand domination and subjugation. Their minds simply cannot comprehend multilateral relationships.
Anonymous No.64209169 [Report] >>64209178
>>64209157
Though the power of white people working together *anything* is possible.
Anonymous No.64209170 [Report] >>64209177
>>64209153
>Europe as a whole.
"Europe as a whole" is 44 sovereign nations you monkey. Well 42, 1 vassal and 1 under invasion.
Anonymous No.64209177 [Report] >>64209193
>>64209170
Yeah sure, but now is not the time for internal bickering.
The world is getting awfully small
Anonymous No.64209178 [Report]
>>64209169
I agree, just do NOT let Germany be in charge this time
Anonymous No.64209179 [Report] >>64209187 >>64209189 >>64209192
>thread about dabbing on narcos
>ukraine tourists make the thread about europoors
I hate what you “people” have done to this board
Anonymous No.64209187 [Report]
>>64209179
>tourists
nah it's shills derailing the tread and it just takes on it's own life from there
Anonymous No.64209189 [Report]
>>64209179
>people on my favourite basket weaving forum aren’t having the discussions I want them to have :’(
Boohoo, cry me a river pussyboy
Anonymous No.64209192 [Report]
>>64209179
fuck off armatard
Anonymous No.64209193 [Report] >>64209209
>>64209177
>but now is not the time for internal bickering.
Are you confusing the EU with Europe?
Anonymous No.64209208 [Report] >>64209216
>>64209119
I did, and Wiki source [4] says no such thing, all mentions are unsubstantiated rumors. The relatity is it was an X plane to test RCS design and methods for a controllable faceted sealth plane using a scale model. It never moved to building a production design because it would've cost $50 million USD to produce a flying prototype and billions more to move it into production (all $ not adjusted for inflation). Not to mention the billions to actually buy them. W. Germany didn't have that kind of money to dump into a limit run platform with a very narrow use case in combat. There's a reason only the US could, and did do it. Also the fact that the program most definitely was thoroughly compromised by E. German and Soviet intel.
Anonymous No.64209209 [Report]
>>64209193
No, I just didn’t get the point of your post besides a faint hint of divide&conquer.
So I responded accordingly
Anonymous No.64209213 [Report]
>>64209136
>Bulgaria alone is responsible for 1/3rd of the weapons
That's only because Bulgaria using Soviet artillery like Ukraine did, and having a shitload of 152mm artillery shells that Western countries didn't as they use 155mm.
Anonymous No.64209216 [Report] >>64209218
>>64209208
It’s fine if you don’t want to believe it happened. In the end it changes nothing.
Anonymous No.64209217 [Report] >>64209223 >>64209225 >>64209242
>>64208569

Nigga, in Mexico earlier this yeah they found a literal fun-sized Auschwitz-style extermination camp being operated by the CJNG cartel. And by extermination camp, I mean they were taking people there to secretly murder them (albeit not by gas chambers), rob them of their personal effects, and cremate their bodies in purpose-built ovens to remove the evidence. Dozens, possibly hundreds of people disappeared into this place.

That’s what we’re dealing with here, people who literally took notes from one of the greatest crimes of the 20th Century on how to most efficiently carry out mass murder, they deserve no pity or sympathy. The only issue I take with this was that Trump did not get Congress to pass an authorization for use of military force or declare a military-enforced maritime quarantine before hand to make it rocket solid legal.

Not to mention they haven’t submitted any proof yet as >>64208820 pointed out.
Anonymous No.64209218 [Report] >>64209234
>>64209216
>It’s fine if you don’t want to believe it happened
Why would I believe some unsubstantiated bullshit when I told you exactly why it never progressed? Just because you WANT it to be true doesn't make it so.
Anonymous No.64209223 [Report]
>>64209217
>replying to yourself
Anonymous No.64209225 [Report] >>64209232
>>64209217
>people who literally took notes from one of the greatest crimes of the 20th Century on how to most efficiently carry out mass murder,
They learned from Stalin and the Soviet commies with their gulag tactics?
Anonymous No.64209232 [Report] >>64209244 >>64209262 >>64209268
>>64209225
>They learned from Stalin and the Soviet commies with their gulag tactics?

Bait, but ironically enough, the Nazis DID get the idea for gassing vans from the Soviets.

>During the Great Purge in the Soviet Union, NKVD officer Isaj D. Berg used a specially adapted airtight van for gassing prisoners to death on an experimental basis The prisoners were gassed on the way to Butovo, a phony firing range, where the NKVD executed its prisoners and buried them] According to testimony given by NKVD officer Nikolai Kharitonov in 1956, Isaj Berg had been instrumental in the production of gas vans.[25] Berg had become chief of the administrative economic department in Moscow's NKVD in the summer of 1937. In October 1937 he was charged with the supervision of the Butovo firing range.[25] Berg had to prepare Butovo for the mass execution of people from greater Moscow and to ensure that these executions would take place smoothly. According to testimony given by Fjodor Tschesnokov, a member of Berg's execution team, in 1956, trucks were used, which were equipped with valves through which the gas could be directed inside the vehicles. The interrogations revealed that the prisoners were stripped naked, tied up, gagged and thrown into the trucks. Their property was stolen. Berg was arrested on 3 August 1938 and sentenced to death for participating in a "counter-revolutionary conspiracy within the NKVD" and executed on 3 March 1939.
Anonymous No.64209234 [Report] >>64209262
>>64209218
Your arguments were
>The program didn’t get anywhere
Not relevant
>it would have been too expensive
Would it really? Neither of us has any idea on the actual economies at play.
Germany could *definitely* afford it, only question is would it have been worth it.
>The project was probably infested by spies anyway
Sounds like a good extra reason for the US to pressure the Germans to stop

Idk what actually happened, but neither do you, and as I said, it doesn’t matter
Anonymous No.64209237 [Report]
>>64208537
9X would have gone straight through that boat like a retard through a 70 year old teacher.

>>64208561
I respect your candour, I too am retarded
Anonymous No.64209242 [Report]
>>64209217
>Dozens, possibly hundreds of people disappeared into this place
big whoop
we've seen more cartel liveleaks than that
Anonymous No.64209244 [Report]
>>64209232
>Berg was arrested on 3 August 1938 and sentenced to death for participating in a "counter-revolutionary conspiracy within the NKVD" and executed on 3 March 1939.
Anonymous No.64209262 [Report] >>64209268 >>64209315 >>64209359 >>64210577
>>64209232
>Bait
Not bait at all. Nazis didn't have gassing vans, and even jews (David Cole) say no gassing happened, so... Funny how the only so-called death camps were in Soviet controlled areas.
>>64209234
>Not relevant
Completely relevant, as it tells you that the program was only a small scale research effort.
>Would it really?
Yes.
>Neither of us has any idea on the actual economies at play.
We can make an educated guess based on the Harvey, Have Blue, and F-117 programs costs.
>Germany could *definitely* afford it
Based on what, exactly? They couldn't even afford it today.
>only question is would it have been worth it.
Then they couldn't afford it.
>Sounds like a good extra reason for the US to pressure the Germans to stop
Or the Germans to not waste money they don't have on a platform the country they're building it to use against already knowing everything about it, and potentially how to counter it. You just want it to be true because it fits your US BAD headcannon.
Anonymous No.64209265 [Report]
>200+ replies over a nothingburger
Nothing ever happens. This will have 0 influence on nations or cartels.
Anonymous No.64209268 [Report] >>64209282
>>64209262
>Nazis didn't have gassing vans
Uh huh.... >>64209232
Anonymous No.64209282 [Report]
>>64209268
Nice "proof".
Anonymous No.64209315 [Report] >>64209344
>>64209262
>the only so-called death camps were in Soviet controlled areas
>such as Belsen and Buchenwald
why did the Nazis mainly build concentration camps near the places where most Jews and Poles had lived before the war, instead of transporting them all the way to the western Rhineland? truly a mystery!
Anonymous No.64209344 [Report]
>>64209315
All the survivors say they were constantly moved around on trains. Sounds more like jew controlled USSR post war propaganda, and to cover for their crimes.
Anonymous No.64209359 [Report] >>64209425
>>64209262
The mere fact of a project being stopped early gives us no indication for *why* it was stopped early. Ergo it’s not relevant.
>We can make an educated guess
So? It’s still just a guess on your end. Not facts as you’re trying to present it as.
>Based on what (could they afford it)
The west german state budget.
Their gdp at the time was 1.4 trillion, and defense spending around 3% of gdp. Spending a few billions developing a stealth fighter, over a decade lets say, was 100% doable, and it’s silly to pretend it wasn’t.
Not to mention prospective money gained from potential sales to allied countries. Since the US wasn’t keen to share, the market was definitely there.

The crying about “you just think america bad” seems quite silly. Why would I blame the Americans for acting in their self interest?
Anonymous No.64209425 [Report] >>64209458 >>64209488
>>64209359
>The mere fact of a project being stopped early gives us no indication for *why* it was stopped early.
That's the thing: It WASN'T stopped early. That's just your headcannon. The R&D program completed all initial goals set out at the beginning. Those being to see if they could design a LO faceted fighter that was stable and controllable in flight. They produced RCS design and analytical software, built a scale model, proved their software matched what they got from RCS pole testing, and then flew it in wind tunnels to validate its stability. Those were the only goals of the program. Akin to DARPA's project Harvey. Building a flying prototype was never the goal, like DARPA's Have Blue. Nor was building a production fighter like the F-117 program. What don't you get? I laid it out in plain English in my last replies.
>So? It’s still just a guess on your end. Not facts as you’re trying to present it as.
It's better than your ass pulls.
>Their gdp at the time was 1.4 trillion
It was 1.3 trillion, and growth was 1.7%, down from 2.6% growth in 1986.
>and defense spending around 3% of gdp.
It was 2.8%, or $28.6 billion USD.
Spending a few billions developing a stealth fighter, over a decade lets say
A few billions to produce 1970s tech that wouldn't even start production until 1997 would be extremely fucking stupid to do, and would've eaten up most of their budget.
>was 100% doable, and it’s silly to pretend it wasn’t.
It wasn't. You're just a retard that looks at individual things in a vacuum and doesn't account for the rest of the shit the defense budget was already paying for.
>Not to mention prospective money gained from potential sales to allied countries.
That's a pipe dream and a 'what if'. You can make up anything with pipedream what ifs.
Just admit you only.cling to it because US BAD!!!!!! Dennis.
Anonymous No.64209427 [Report]
Just don't put more than one outboard motors in your boat and you won't be killed on sight.
Anonymous No.64209441 [Report]
>>64208482 (OP)
Holy fucking based
Anonymous No.64209452 [Report]
>>64208569
>the world stage

how come all the china shills use this phrase?
how much of your day is spent reposting ragebait tweets on all your discord servers?
Anonymous No.64209454 [Report]
>>64208764
Softpowertard, can you explain why the U.S. will lose soft power from doing something absolutely no one will condemn?
Anonymous No.64209458 [Report] >>64209496
>>64209425
What are you even arguing m8?
I’m not saying if it would or would not have been a good idea.
I’m only saying that spending a billion per year on developing a stealth fighter was 100% within reason. A billion a year would be 3-4% of their military budget. A lot sure, but nowhere close to “most” of their budget.

I’m in your walls btw
Anonymous No.64209488 [Report] >>64209502
>>64209425
Dennis hates Germany aswell
he'd never even have brought it up never mind defending that program
Anonymous No.64209496 [Report] >>64209862
>>64209458
>I’m only saying that spending a billion per year on developing a stealth fighter was 100% within reason.
Sending 4% of your whole missile budget on developing a limited use fighter that you would buy in limited numbers AND would be 20 year old tech isn't reasonable. Well, unless you're retarded.
>A billion a year would be 3-4% of their military budget.
Yeah, one program that isn't even guaranteed to produce a viable LO fighter program a decade down the road. Are you honestly this retarded?

>A lot sure, but nowhere close to “most” of their budget
Yeah, because the defense budget is just some savings account that's not allotted to other programs already....

Dennis, go away. You're not even German, you're a Serbian mongoloid mutt that's a mentally ill alcoholic.
Anonymous No.64209502 [Report] >>64209527
>>64209488
Yes you would if he thinks it helps his US BAD!!!! position he's desperate to push.
Anonymous No.64209527 [Report] >>64209536
>>64209502
He's being far to reasonable to be dennis
Anonymous No.64209536 [Report] >>64209573
>>64209527
Did you finally take your meds, Dennis?
Anonymous No.64209573 [Report]
>>64209536
non, je m'appele Jean
Anonymous No.64209676 [Report]
We are lucky and blessed to have Trump
Anonymous No.64209710 [Report]
>>64208569
>soft power
Actual soft power is things like the USD being the global reserve currency.
Any time someone outside China says "soft power", they're referring to giving wealth away and importing 3rd world dregs without any alternative justification.
Anonymous No.64209746 [Report]
>>64208569
>continual loss of US soft power
You don't lose soft power by droning bunch of narkos, no one gives a shit about them and some hate them. Now don't get me wrong USA lost plenty of soft power lately but not over bunch of drug smugglers.
Anonymous No.64209747 [Report]
>>64208764
Tony Blair is the global nucleus of this school of thought, he committed civilizational suicide and convinced GWBjr to follow him.

The past 25 years of decline were the predictable and intended outcome, and it's not over, the debt is a yoke which any serious attempt to pay off will result in a socialist surge.
Anonymous No.64209786 [Report] >>64209835
>>64208482 (OP)
I knew you guys would have this clip.
ty.
>>64208569
lol American soft power is Hollywood, money, and following up on your threats with physical violence.
Prison rules mf.
Anonymous No.64209795 [Report] >>64209867
i love how yall talk about soft power and shit
while its clearly trump's attempt on getting back at the cia
Anonymous No.64209817 [Report] >>64209836
>>64208569
>soft power
A fucking meme. Relying on "soft power" is how Russia, Iran and all the other shitholes got out of control.

>looking like worse psychos than the Chinese
The only people who cry about a dozen narcos getting BTFO are people with terminal TDS and thirdie mutt multipolar shills.
Anonymous No.64209835 [Report]
>>64209786
Hollywood isn't doing so hot right now though it isn't trump fault.
Anonymous No.64209836 [Report] >>64209841 >>64210605
>>64209817
>Anon cheers on the continuing erosion of due process and disregard for international and domestic law because it makes his wiener feel good to see brown peasants explode
Anonymous No.64209841 [Report] >>64209858
>>64209836
Venezuelans in international waters have no due process. This can’t be refuted
Anonymous No.64209850 [Report]
Ya'll are cringe af fr!
Anonymous No.64209858 [Report] >>64209879
>>64209841
anon in international waters the only laws that apply are basic international laws like
>you can't just murder people out of hand because you felt like it.

The only reason to deny someone outside of wartime due process is if they're actively trying to kill you, personally
Anonymous No.64209862 [Report] >>64210938
>>64209496
I still don’t think your line of reasoning is enough to adamantly state that no US meddling was involved
>Bad because old tech
Old tech is superior to no tech, no? F-22 is 20yo tech and and it would be pretty dope if Germany started producing those
>But the program could fail
So? Any project can fail, why would this have been more likely to fail than whatever other projects they spent their money on?
>The defense budget is not a saving account
Do you think I don’t know how budgets work? If the Germans had gone forward with this idea, they would have allocated money to it instead of whatever else they ended up spending it on.
But they didn’t do it. They could have. It was not utopian. But they didn’t.
It might have been because they thought it doesn’t make sense cost-effective wise. Or because the US used soft power to stop it. Or because some other part of the german mic greased the right palms. Or most likely, a combination of various factors that we have no way of knowing.

It seems strange that you’re so adamant in your belief that the US did not do any meddling. I don’t understand why. To me it seems perfectly within line of reason for the US to have some input in 1980s german military affairs.
It doesn’t even have to be nefarious. Perhaps the conversation was moreso “Damnit Germany stop wasting money on airplanes, we’ve got that covered. NATO needs you building tanks, tanks and more tanks”

I’m still in your walls btw
Anonymous No.64209867 [Report]
>>64209795
Nah, I think it's just Tonald Dump being assmad that he got cucked by BasedDuro, kek!
Anonymous No.64209879 [Report] >>64209901
>>64209858
It isn’t murder. The U.S. said they would kill any boat carrying drugs bound for the U.S. they don’t need to prove beyond a reasonable doubt to you that that boat was carrying drugs. I hope this helped clear things up for you
Anonymous No.64209892 [Report]
>modern american doesn't understand the value of lawfare created after centuries of retarded mistakes
This is what public education does to a mfer.
Anonymous No.64209901 [Report] >>64209909
>>64209879
Killing people, without being sure they’re who you want to kill, is a pretty brown move desu.
Anonymous No.64209909 [Report] >>64209932
>>64209901
>they weren’t sure who they were bro trust me
nah
Anonymous No.64209911 [Report]
>>64208482 (OP)
>A video of a 'Narco' cigarette boat being blown up
Turns into
>Debate over european culpability for what's happening with Russia and Ukraine
>Holocaust denial
Gee wizz, wonder who could be behind all this!
Anonymous No.64209932 [Report] >>64209961 >>64209987 >>64210027
>>64209909
You just said yourself that they don’t need to prove it beyond a reasonable doubt.
How can you be sure if reasonable doubt still exists?

The white thing to do would be to drop any nonsense “drug trade” excuse and just say you’re gonna obliterate anyone who tries to sneak across the border with a boat.
Anonymous No.64209961 [Report] >>64210005
>>64209932
>You just said yourself that they don’t need to prove it beyond a reasonable doubt.
I said they don’t need to prove it to you.
>How can you be sure if reasonable doubt still exists?
Not American citizens in America. I defer to the navy’s judgement when it comes to bombing drug boats.
Anonymous No.64209987 [Report] >>64210042
>>64209932
>How can you be sure if reasonable doubt still exists?
Because the US has excellent SIGINT, ELINT, COMINT, HUMINT, etc. Along with excellent EOIR sensors to watch from many, many miles away. They would've watched them load the boat and take off, while listening to all their comms, etc. So, just because they don't release targeting and recon abilities to you, doesn't mean they just killing random browns on a boat. Even with terrorists in the ME soldiers had ROEs they had to follow or they get thrown in jail. Just stop this retarded fucking angle, and go back to leftypol. I'm sick of reading your retarded seething drivel.
Anonymous No.64210005 [Report]
>>64209961
Ah sorry misread your initial post.
Yeah if we assume that they’re sure before they bomb, then it’s all good.
But you gotta be really careful, this sort of logic can easily be exploited by brown hands. So I hope your navy and coast guard are white and trustworthy enough to handle it
Anonymous No.64210027 [Report] >>64210042
>>64209932
>How can you be sure if reasonable doubt still exists?
Because he's right-wing, and therefore knows things about the world, so he knows what a 4-engined skiff loaded with plastic-baled packages travelling towards the US is doing.

He also has a working knowledge about incentive-driven behavior, that for a poor person in some south-American shithole, the threat of years in US jail weighed against more money than they've ever seen is not an effective deterrent. Everyone in the entire world believes that the US justice system is weak and only weakening, so you can make the penalties 40 years in prison; ZERO smugglers think they'll do 15 if caught, the foreigners doing 40 years believe every day that they'll be freed next week. They think the next administration will free them, or even release them into the US interior.

How you dispel this belief and change behavior is to kill them, and then rub it in the world's face, while giggling about it.
Anonymous No.64210042 [Report] >>64210044 >>64210080
>>64209987
Just because capabilities exist in theory doesn’t mean they were used in practice for any given case.
It’s not like the US has a spotless record in this regard.

>>64210027
I’m still of the opinion that the “we’ll blow up anyone who tries sneaking across the border via boat” is superior to the “we’ll blow up anyone who tries smuggling drugs via boat”
Less room for human error, less room for misinterpretation. Likely cheaper as well once you take it all into account
Anonymous No.64210044 [Report] >>64210070
>>64210042
>they didn’t use their capabilities well because they just didn’t ok
Anonymous No.64210053 [Report]
>>64208524
kek, underrated post. this illegal extrajudicial killing of some third world retards isn't going to work to distract people from the epstein files.
Anonymous No.64210070 [Report] >>64210085 >>64210108
>>64210044
That’s not what I said mr retard.
All I’m concerned about is the fact that essentially all it takes is one brown decisionmaker with a brown superior and this whole system is be rife for abuse.
One to blow up a tourist boat because the women didn’t show their tits, the other to confirm that yeah they were definitely smuggling drugs.
The more you hide, the easier it is for pajeets and other browns to operate and abuse the system.
So either have things out in the open, or operate on logic that’s difficult to abuse.
If the mo is to blow *everyone* up, then there’s no room for “misinterpretation”
Anonymous No.64210080 [Report] >>64210108
>>64210042
>Just because capabilities exist in theory doesn’t mean they were used in practice for any given case.
They literally used constantly. It's recon 101, and the most basic shit they do. Just because you're some retarded troon from leftypol that ignorant doesn't negate SOP.
Anonymous No.64210085 [Report] >>64210108
>>64210070
Alternatively, you don’t want to announce to the cartels exactly how they are being tracked. If a brown blows up a tourist boat, said brown will be dealt with. Luckily that isn’t going to happen because the kill chain involved in these strikes mitigates this from happening
Anonymous No.64210108 [Report] >>64210115
>>64210080
See
>>64210070
And stop letting trannies live rent free in your head

>>64210085
If your entire killchain is brown then your argument goes out the window. That’s what I’m worried about.
As long as it isn’t, you’ll be fine. I’m just warning you to be careful with systems that can be abused by brown hands
Anonymous No.64210115 [Report] >>64210129
>>64210108
Ahhh so you live in an alternate reality.
>I don’t like browns but nooo you can’t kill browns
Anonymous No.64210129 [Report] >>64210132
>>64210115
Did you miss the part where I advocated for blowing up *all* boats trying to sneak across the border? Instead of hiding behind some dumb “drug smugglers” gimmick.
You should learn to read m8
Anonymous No.64210132 [Report] >>64210135 >>64210146
>>64210129
For someone who wants to blow up all boats you sure seem upset that we blew up one boat. Why is that?
Anonymous No.64210135 [Report]
>>64210132
Trump did something based. This infuriates a certain type of poster. It’s as simple as that
Anonymous No.64210146 [Report] >>64210151
>>64210132
You must be confusing me with some other anon. I’ve literally no clue why you’d think I was upset over a bunch of brownoid drug smugglers being blow up based on my posts
Anonymous No.64210151 [Report] >>64210166
>>64210146
I just went back through the reply chain and the origin is someone crying about due process for drug smugglers in international waters. If you jumped in in the middle of the chain that’s not my fault.
Anonymous No.64210166 [Report] >>64210193
>>64210151
>It’s not my fault
Pathetic
Anonymous No.64210193 [Report]
>>64210166
Sorry that you got called out for crying about the browns being blown up. It’s been fascinating watching you try to fit in
Anonymous No.64210195 [Report] >>64210403
>>64208482 (OP)
Anonymous No.64210203 [Report] >>64210226
Leftoid melty in progress
Anonymous No.64210221 [Report]
>>64208482 (OP)
Tom Clancy's erection must be literally pushing up the daisies on his grave
Anonymous No.64210226 [Report] >>64210638
>>64210203
>melty
discord groomer slang; inorganic poster who works for the federal government detected
Anonymous No.64210327 [Report] >>64210375
>>64208988
>le due process
Despite what libtards say due process is not infinite court cases. Due process is the process to which you are due. Illegal immigranrs are not due any process. They are foreign invaders and can be expelled expeditiously.
Anonymous No.64210375 [Report]
>>64210327

Noooo.... due process means never take any actions. Someone might get offended!
Anonymous No.64210403 [Report] >>64210570
>>64210195
>Not the heckin rich people gooning to p
Water is wet anon everyone knows they're freaks
Anonymous No.64210570 [Report] >>64210614
>>64210403
Perhaps they should not control the economy and government.
Anonymous No.64210577 [Report]
>>64209262
>David Cole
>"I'm truly perplexed by the SURPRISE that some of you [Holocaust-deniers] are showing about my Struthof statements. Stop acting like you've been hustled, guys. From day one I made it clear that I'm a leftist, race-mixing, atheistic Jew who has no allegiance to any dogma and who'd gladly agree that there were gas chambers if only the proof could be found. It's not my fault if some of you thought that I was only saying those things to fool the public and that privately I was "one of you."
You're a fucking retard and obviously not open to new evidence, unlike your token Jew.
Anonymous No.64210605 [Report] >>64210638
>>64209836
A lot of buzzwords for a meltie
Anonymous No.64210608 [Report]
>>64208482 (OP)
Oppressor mk2, the vid is a new GTA 6 trailer
Anonymous No.64210614 [Report] >>64210623
>>64210570
Seethe more goyim
Anonymous No.64210623 [Report] >>64210647
>>64210614
kek, based intentionally inflammatory false-flagging baitposter
Anonymous No.64210638 [Report] >>64210667 >>64210676
>>64210605
see
>>64210226
Anonymous No.64210647 [Report] >>64210653
>>64210623
>t.malding domesticated chud
Anonymous No.64210653 [Report]
>>64210647
lol, I like you, you're funny
Anonymous No.64210667 [Report] >>64210680
>>64210638
Seems like someones mad about beong called on their meltie
Anonymous No.64210676 [Report] >>64210687
>>64210638
I got you again lmfao
this retard has spent minimum 2 hours nonstop seething in this thread
Anonymous No.64210680 [Report]
>>64210667
>beong
sorry I don't speak Chinese
Anonymous No.64210687 [Report]
>>64210676
huh?
Anonymous No.64210798 [Report] >>64210856
Caring about turdie drug trafficker’s rights is often referred to as “the warrior IFV of geopolitics”, it just isn’t very effective
Anonymous No.64210856 [Report] >>64210874
>>64210798
They don't care-care about it, they just go through the motions because they're legally not allowed to approve of anything le drumpf admin does.
Anonymous No.64210874 [Report] >>64210892
>>64210856
I’m surprised overly sensitive euro mod hasn’t nuked the thread yet.
Anonymous No.64210892 [Report] >>64210897
>>64210874
Check the catalog. Euros were being cooked in the first thread about this strike and he rage deleted it. You can see the exact moment he gave up trying to shill and decided to delete the thread
https://desuarchive.org/k/thread/64206729/#64206729
Anonymous No.64210897 [Report]
>>64210892
Never underestimate the average Europeans inability to handle the bantz
Anonymous No.64210938 [Report]
>>64209862
Not him, but go read a few threads on US military rifle and warship procurement programs the last few decades and tell me again how Germany cannot possibly make a decision that in your mind is bad without foreign meddling. Heck, they spent all that effort developing the G11 and then decided not to make it.
Anonymous No.64211219 [Report]
>>64208967
>How much of your logistics was routed through yurop?
None. They have Gibraltar and the two bases in Cyprus for a reason, as well as all the US/UK bases in Saudi Arabia.
Are you stupid or something, the UK is the US springboard into the middleeast from the west side.
Anonymous No.64211527 [Report]
lmao i thought this board was all about the "inawoods" mentality but that was just paroting.
You're just a bunch of dicksucking statists whores like the rest of the world lol.
t.europoor
Anonymous No.64211544 [Report]
Yay Epstein victims cleared Trump of wrongdoing!