Thread 64209016

I absolutely love the look of sponsons. Post pre-dreadnoughts and landships.

I can't post pictures, but I can post a bump.
I enjoy them too.
They're comfier than WW2 era batteships and not gay like modern ships.

I would really like to refloat the Mikasa but mom won't let me. She's the only living example left, I think. I want to live to see her sail again.

>>64209016 (OP)
>>64209380
seconded

picrel is SMS Babenberg, Habsburg class.

>>64209016 (OP)
See if I can find my folder and images before we Victorian watersports as is per pre-dreadnought thread tradition.

Found some ships

>>64209719
That white and... uhh, russet? color scheme is excessively aesthetic (yes, with ae-).

>>64209739
They knew how to paint ships properly back in the day!

Probably have more but that is all for now. Need to sort my folders out properly.

>>64209741
Torpedo nets are really pleasant to look at when concealed.

>>64209792
Not exactly pre-dread era but still pure sex!

>>64209735
>le cope cage lol

>>64209016 (OP)
Great plains state nautically retarded here, first of all, how is there this much water in the world. Second and more importantly, what did the dreadnaught do so differently that caused the era to be marked by its building?

>>64210043
Pre-Dreadnaught= mix caliber guns with 4 big guns (12in), two turrets of dual gun mount
Dreadnaught= all big guns, each of them have 2-3 times the big guns(8, 9, 12 etc) of a pre-dread.
Big guns have the longest range, so they will decide the first hits and cripple the opponent.
You can say that why not just use 3 pre-dreads to beat one dread, you need to spend 3 times amount of resources to do so (soldiers, fuel, maintenance etc) so in short, pre-dreads became obsolete.

>>64210043
It's all big guns like the other guy said but dreadnought also launched sporting some fancy new naval technology including steam turbines to power her. Dreadnought was FAST for her time, and could dictate the pace of any engagement she wanted. So she was running you down, firing more accurately than you, and was still a fully armed and armored battleship to boot.

>>64209016 (OP)
Sponsons are an interesting collision of Broadside and Chase guns on the way to making Turrets. You get this wide field of fire but also get to keep the Casemate design.

>>64210043
>>64210078
>>64210249
Just to give you an idea of what we're talking about. Each one of those turrets has 2x12" guns and as you can see you'll always be facing at least 6 guns no matter how you come and the Dreadnought.

>>64210324
>>64210249
>>64210078
Neato, thanks guys. Was there any change to how fire control worked? My understanding was back in the day it was just some dude shouting a little to the left next time.

>>64210367
Rangefinders (little protrusions on the turret roof, later they are on the side) on the turrets, feed data to mechanical computer.

>>64210367
That's another thing which got improved, along with systems like reloading gear.
Without trajectory calculators, you couldn't hit jack shit at more than circa 4 nautical miles. So even if your (biggest) guns could go all the way to 15-ish nm, and your fancy new rangefinders could accurately tell the distance up until circa 12 nm, you still had to close in to knife fighting range to actually land a hit on something other than water.

>>64210395
>mechanical computer
How do the range finders find the range without lasers? Sorry, guys this is a real technology so old its new moment for me.

>>64210367
Yes. She was one of the first ships to introduce a centralized firecontrol director capable of transmitting information electronically. Basically, the Dreadnought was so revolutionary because she was designed with a a whole host of new and improved technologies which allowed her to figuratively blow away the competition.

>>64210408
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coincidence_rangefinder

>>64210408
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coincidence_rangefinder
Trigonometry.
AB is known, operator measure the angles, then d will be calculated.

>>64210408
I don't know how to explain it properly, but it's basically just the same principle behind depth perception in binocular vision taken to the extreme.

>>64210367
Later ships with rangefinders on the side of turrets.

>>64210439
I like the turret designs on the Colorado Class.

Worth noting that, even with the best rangefinder in the world, you won't hit anything if you can't calculate a firing solution.
After all, you're shooting from a moving ship, at another moving ship, which is likely going at a different speed, and on a different bearing (direction), compared to yours.
Thus the appearance of (initially mechanical, then electromechanical) target data calculators.

>>64210450
This was my next question, btw. How do you gather that data on a ship way the fuck over there?

>>64210444
Hexagonal eye candies.

>>64210462
Back in those days, it was somewhat convoluted, and it involved observing the other ship for a while. Rangefinders had various calculation aids like stadiametric marks to help calculate speed and bearing.

>>64210367
That was true until the 1890s when we realized that ranges were too great and ships were too fast. We started using Optical Rangefinders, plotting boards, and essentially slide rules to calculate shots. Optical rangefinders use mirrors and lines of sight to set up triangles for trigonometry.

By WW1 we were using mechanical calculators.
By WW2 we were using electromechanical calculators and starting to swap the optical rangefinders with radar.

>>64210367
Adding to what other guys mentioned, there were also advancements in commanding the gun crews, which went from being all on their own in their decision making to receiving coordinated orders from the central ship's command, allowing them to focus fire on one single enemy ship which in turn improved their effectiveness at range and allowed said rangefinders to be used. Prior to that each gun was managed and operated and aimed mostly independently similar to the way they did it in back during the age of sail, although this new tactic is slightly older than the dreadnought and saw some use prior, for example during the russo-japanese war.

>>64210266
I just love how much tumblehome the French insisted on giving their ships.

Shame we had so few semi-dreads. They were cool. The only ones we really got were the Satsuma class, and even they only happened by accident.

>>64209016 (OP)
>sponsons
well, technically:

>>64211035
excuse you

>>64209731
>That freeboard

I don't know how anyone got on these monitors. It seems to be in danger of swamping even on calm waters.

>>64211111
quints
And weren't the first monitors just river gunboats? I guess if you're always on a river you don't need to worry about waves as much.

>>64209396
>double-stacked casemates
SOVL

>>64211111
>>64211136
There were """ocean-going""" monitors that could at least sail to foreign stations under their own power, if not exactly fight on the open seas.

>>64211156
moist

If you want monitors, it takes some going to beat the sheer retard strength of the Lord-Clive class
>18 inch gun
>permanently fixed to Starboard
>22 to 45 degrees elevation
>firing the heaviest shells in naval history
>onnaship that barely displaced 6000 tons

>>64211156
They're properly called breastwork monitors, because of the armored superstructure that elevated the turret rings and hatches making it less likely for the monitor to swamp in rough seas. It helped, but not much.

>>64211215
>breastwork
hehehehehe

>>64211254
Wait until you hear about a French city making boats called Brest.

>>64211332
hehehehehehe

>>64210462
They had flashcards of enemy ship classes with their outlines including length and height and max MPH. Spotters would use range finders and identify the correct ship from the cue card, do the basic trigonometry and quickly calculate its speed and trajectory to determine where to fire

The calculations were precise, but if the input data based on visual observations were incorrect, it would all be ruined.
It's also difficult to deal with targets that frequently change course and run away, making corrections based on impact observation meaningless.

>>64209395
her lower hull is gone :/

>>64209792
I just realized something. I love ships with really high or really low freeboards. High freeboards and plumb bows give ships this imposing look that can't be matched - like blades cutting through the water.
Meanwhile the lower freeboard and inverted or tumblehome bows make ships look like unshakable fortresses.

>>64210408
Quite informative video on this topic
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cbXyAzGtIX8

>>64209395
I'd thought Texas was a pre-dread, but I guess it was wrong.

>>64211194
also small rails on deck, just to move shells to the gun

>>64209934
That's literally just framing for a tent they put on there in summer, dumbass.

>>64209396
What's going on with that little notch just aft of the bow? Did it originally have another casemate mount there that they plated over?

It looks like a rapid-fire gun will come out of the door, but it will be hit by a wave from the bow.
Is it okay in the calm Mediterranean Sea?

>>64212742
Ah. I didn't see the little door in the first pic.

>>64212692
Probably right, often they'd put little guns up there but, especially during peacetime, the water ingress in heavy seas wasn't worth a limited fire-arc 3in gun or smaller.

>>64212769
>>64212749
Herp derp, replied before I saw this. Have SMS Radetzky with a saluting gun manned on top of it's fore turret.

And slightly unrelated, but imagine being on this at 25kn charging down a battleship

>>64210408
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_yBbb7DyWKo

>>64211136
They were operating off the East Coast, so they must've been dealing with the tides.

>>64211194
A floating StuG III on steroids.

>>64209741
Oh my God. It even has a figurehead.

I fantasize a lot about how it would have been to serve on a battleship (or armored cruiser, or whatever else) prior to WWI. The sense of adventure, and the level of national pride and patriotism must have been simply unimaginable to the modern person, living in fake and gay excuses for modern nations. The experience of traveling the world inside a product of industrial might that no one could have even fucking imagined in their wildest dreams 40 years before, knowing that you and your boys could absolutely WASTE anything you came across, and also living daily with the knowledge that you and your ship definitely are the single most iconic and memorable representative of your entire nation abroad, must make that one of the best lives a man could live. Don't even give a shit that you would have to scrub the teak decks every day or whatever bullshit menial task might be asked of you, doesn't even matter.

>>64211097
>Post Dreadnought
Gave me an excuse to post this!

>>64213967
>Dreadnought impregnation
fucking degenerates I swear you faggots will create a new fetish each day

>>64214005
Just wait till that one anon posts the pic of an egg and three Victorian ladies.

>>64210395
The small protrusions at the front of the turret are the sighting hoods. The rangefinder is in the larger protrusion at the rear of the turret.

>>64211035
bonjour

>>64211194
holy shit

>>64214078
By the end of WW1 there were proposals for 20inch and even larger guns.

>>64212790
I imagine it'd feel great to make the big ships flinch in fear of your torpedo

be US Navy
need a ship named after the dude who wore a stovepipe hat and freed people
1861: slap his name on a river steamer for the Union Navy
wooden hull, paddlewheel vibes, probably smelled like whiskey and wet wool
used for patrols, blockades, and occasionally ramming into Confederates like a redneck at a demolition derby

WWI era
US gets spicy, needs troop transports to yeet doughboys across the Atlantic
take a German passenger liner "Friedrich der Grosse"
rename it USS Abraham Lincoln because lol irony
loads up with troops, hauls ass across the pond
1918: gets torpedoed by a German U-boat on return trip
sinks, but most crew survive
Lincoln ship #2 becomes fish food

Fast forward Cold War edition
1960s, US Navy: “what if Lincoln… but nuclear?”
launch USS Abraham Lincoln (SSBN-602)
Polaris missile sub, floating apocalypse machine
patrols silently for decades, just waiting to ruin Moscow’s day
retires in 1981, cut up like a hog in a scrapyard

modern times, Gulf War through TikTok wars
enter USS Abraham Lincoln (CVN-72), Nimitz-class carrier
launched 1988
massive floating airport, McDonald’s, and postal code all in one
1991: goes to Desert Storm, bombs sand
2001: chilling in Indian Ocean when 9/11 hits, suddenly America’s fist
2003: hosts Bush’s "Mission Accomplished" cringe banner moment
spends life force projecting democracy™ across the globe
still in service, now basically the boomer uncle of the fleet

TL;DR:

Steamer, Civil War riverboat

Ex-German liner, WWI troop ship (sank)

Nuclear missile sub, Cold War doomsday machine

Nimitz-class supercarrier, still doing freedom deployments

Pic: the Lincoln that fits here.

>"What kind of armament should we install on this ship?"
>"Yes"
2 × 305 mm/45 Modèle 1893 guns
2 × 274 mm/45 Modèle 1893 guns
8 × 138 mm/45 Modèle 1893 guns
8 × 100 mm (3.9 in) guns
12 × 47 mm (1.9 in) 3-pounder guns
8 × 37 mm (1.5 in) 1-pounder guns
4 × 450 mm (18 in) torpedo tubes
20 × naval mines
Who cares about logi[sti]cs

>>64214351
Took "everything and the kitchen sink" a bit too literally.

>>64214351
>least insane French pre-dreadnought design

>>64214034
I'm curious

>>64214446
Google it and I assure you that you'll find the egg piss play pic.

>>64212692
>>64212742
thats the place for the Verfolgungsgeschütz i.e. hunter gun to fire in the back of fleeing ships which wont be engaged by the main artillery if they are to close or to be boarded.
>>64211142
here's some side stacked casemattes on SMS St.Georg for the casematte connoisseur
>>64212779
that is an optic instrument to sight in the main gun, not a salute cannon.

>>64213967
>>64214005
>>64214034
forget the predred egg
here comes the ironclad sideboner
on SMS Erzherzog Prinz Albrecht.
The prince albert dick piercing is derived from the moorings of the sideboner of the Prinz Albrecht.

>>64214564
Can you please post a smaller picture? I can still see too much.

austrias contribution to ship dickpic history wasnt just sideboners, heres SMS Custoza proudly waving her sideboner and her foward double boner in harbour

>>64214573
no tiny dickshaming! its an elder!

>>64210043
>first of all, how is there this much water in the world.
It is theorized that during the ormation of the solar system, heavier elements congregated nearby the Sun and lighter elements and molecules farther away. In this time there may have been gravemetiric instabilities that disturbed the natural orders of orbits, thus bringing masses formed further out to the inner system bodies, causing chaos and bodies to collide. They say "comets" brought water to earth, but imagin just one big frozen body like Europa bringing billions of tons of frozen water to impact with earth? You cannot imagine the scale of the frozen impactors it took to fill the earth's oceans! One big fatty could do it! Truely mind boggling to conceive just HOW earth got it's unique and life giving oceans!

>>64211194
>>64214078
Holy Jesus. I thought the HMS Furious was bad, but at least she had actual turrets for her two 18" guns before her carrier conversion.

>>64214642
>"Ship's armor should resist it's own guns."
>"18-in main battery, 3-in belt."

>>64214430
most?

>>64214591
I kneel before superior autism

>>64214629
>It is theorized

>>64209745
You realize it's black to cover up all the coal dust, right?

>>64210936
The design makes perfect sense for a castle by the sea. Unfortunately, it's a castle On the sea and all the Tumblehome is doing is giving arcing shots a better angle.

>>64215362
Theory being like WAY more burden-of-proofy than faith...

>>64215417
Of course, which is why the closest part to the coal dust is white.

>>64215171
No least, she didn't steal her funnels from a factory, nor have as many separate fire control directors, secondaries with longer range than her primaries or essentially run so low that she was nearly a submarine.

>>64215775
White was a way to show off how good the crew was at cleaning away coal dust but keep in mind that many ships had coaling hatches on the sides rather than the top. It was a lot faster when you had to work with river barges and hand shoveling.

>>64215967
the heavy cruiser Algérie — the one French design that looked “normal”: single trunked funnel, secondaries for mobile targets and defensive primaries, no goofy secondary/primary range mismatch, and decent freeboard. Unless some other arms compliment was the same, then I'm wrong.

>>64215986
I thought you said "crew", that's equipment.

>>64209750
damn

>>64213945
This reminds me of what my weeb friend said when I asked him about why the Imperial Navy didn't use the Yamato until the war was too far gone. He said that the ship was like an embodiment of the nation's soul. I can see the too good to use syndrome there, but imagine being on the HMS Dreadnought before anyone could copy it. I don't know what it did before 1911, but I'd have sailed the thing around the world at maximum range and watch through binoculars at the faces of people at the ports who knew that they couldn't even touch me. The British fags probably left the thing in port doing nothing though.

>>64214342
Ship namesake posts are the best. I can't find the USS Enterprise one, but it inspired me to write a bit of science fiction some time ago.

From the POV of an alien diplomat:

>Another great shock to me was that the ship on which I had lived for three years was the namesake of a warship that had taken part in the Taiwan Affair nearly 300 years ago. That ship had apparently been named in honor of another warship that had fought in a war 474 years ago against a state called “Japan” that occupies a place of the same name. Just as we name our Cluster Worlds after their forebears, so too runs the Terran affection for their weapons, the first Enterprise having been set upon other Terrans 644 years ago when ships still sailed by conveyance of the wind.

>Unbeknownst to me, there was a plaque on board the ship that had been passed down from one incarnation to the next. I had seen this particular dedication in my time aboard, but I did not know what it was. Only at a later date was I able to find it again and view it in proper context. It has the following text crudely carved into its surface from numerous hands:

>Tokyo or bust April 1942
>‘Nam ‘65
>Korea ‘69
>Iraq ‘03
>Iran ‘26
>Taiwan ‘15

>As I write this, there are several disputes here on Mnaras as the “United States Space Force“ engages with the “Ri Guang Xiagu Group” over extractor fields across the “Tharsis” region. The UNSF Enterprise is a diplomatic ship to be sure, but I cannot help but wonder what name will next be scored into its history.

>>64218384
I mean there was a ton of identity wrapped up in Yamato but I thought the reason she and all the other heavy ships sat in Truk half the war is because the Japanese were waiting for the opportunity to engage in decisive battle, but the US never gave them that opportunity (until Leyte Gulf), and because they knew that they didn't have the fuel to operate their fleet on offense. It's actually hard to imagine a time when they could have used those ships offensively to impact the war's outcome. Maybe at Guadalcanal, they could have won their night battles even harder, and bombarded Henderson field, which would be a speed bump for America but that's it.

>>64218517
The Yamatos could be some good bait and meat shield for Midway carrier strikes. At the time the American torpedoes weren't reliable and they could shrug off some bombs unlike the carriers.

>>64218565
It's an interesting idea, but how would the Japanese force the US carriers to engage their BBs? Spruance would have known how important it was to save his first strike for the carriers, so he wouldn't have been baited so easily. There are couple of things Yamato could bring to the table I guess. One is that some carrier strikes that were low on fuel might run across a Yamato and simply choose to bomb her, when they might have later stumbled across a carrier (insanely unlikely). The other idea is that the Yamatos could rush to try and bombard the airfield on Midway directly. But Yamatos were way slower than Japanese fleet carriers, so they would either be trailing hundreds of miles behind, in which case everything would happen as actually occurred irl, or every ship could all go as a consolidated group, but then Spruance could just hit the carriers first and save the Yamatos for dessert way before they actually arrived at Midway.

>>64216083
oo I did not know of this cruiser before
it does look pretty

>>64214351
man i love french pre-dreadnaughts so much

>>64216083
Yeah but she's not a pre-dreadnought?
Guarantee if she wasn't a treaty cruiser they'd have gone more insane with her.
>>64219339
>>64219343
>>64219345
>>64219352
>>64219354
>>64219358
Are you sure those are not floating hotels?

>>64218565
>The Yamatos could be some good bait and meat shield for Midway carrier strikes.
Bait, yes, meat shields, not really. Given the absolute state of Japanese naval aviation they'd almost certainly have been sunk in battle and on top of that the propaganda and psychological value of sinking Yamato and/or Musashi would have so immense that half of the subs in the western pacific would have been hunting them.

>>64219383
>Are you sure those are not floating hotels?
yes, but i like their look

>>64219513
They were definitely unique to look at that when artists were asked to sketch them this is was what they came up with.

>>64219550
It's the logical progression really

>>64219400
Meat shields as in diverting attention from the bombers so the IJN carriers wouldn't be caught pants down with ammunition and fuel on deck, preventing their early demise. Besides, no one even knew the Yamatos existed, not even the Japanese civilians as they still thought the Nagato was the biggest ship.

>>64219639
Metal Slug is just a documentary on French aesthetics when it boils down to it.
>>64219655
Pretty sure people knew about the Yamato existence they just didn't know its capabilities. If I recall they thought it had only 16 inch guns for example.

>>64214719
Might as well go with shrapnel armour at that point, you can't get exploded by an 18" shell if the fuse doesn't arm.
IIRC, Furious would literally bend her hull when firing the guns because of how lightly she was built.

>>64209719
This paint looks cool as hell. Why did we stop painting our boats like this?

>>64209739
White and buff.

>>64219339
wtf is that bow tho

>>64220502
Ramming was all the rage in the late 1800's.

>>64220502
It's sexy, that's what it is

>>64219161
Is that a big clock dial on the superstructure?!

>>64220969
It's a clock so people on board know the time.

>>64221076
It's meant to tell other ships what time it is, including the enemy. People were just gentlemen and good sports back then.

>>64221076
>big bong, ship edition

>>64220969
Pointy thing tells people which way they're shooting. Marine types are bad at telephony.

>>64220969
range clock, or concentration dial

>>64210266
I can't help but wonder what a full broadside from one of these would look like.

Bring back Naval Aura-farming. Bring back the GWF (Great White Fleet).

>>64214108
vgh, what could have been

>>64214108
At what size does a shell simply become infeasible for naval use? Does it just keep scaling up to where we could have turrets of multiple Schwerer Gustav sized guns? I assume the only real limit is on the powerplant of the ship, at a big enough displacement the number of engines you'd need would be unmanageable due to the fuel consumption.

>>64214078
How much do you think it rolled when they fired?

>>64221768
Yamato was pushing the limit of feasibility, but 20 inch guns are not unlikely at all
To defend against said guns a battleship would have to mount something like 50,000 tons of armour. It would be about the size of a Nimitz-class carrier, easily, and weigh at least 150,000 tons.

Could this have happened, if aircraft had not developed as quickly? Easily. After all, we built the Nimitzes didn't we?

>>64221614
Imagine a timeline where UK went "Fuck this if you're not playing by the treaty rules then we ain't! Now you've fucked around now find out!"
So you'll be ending up with N3's with 9x 20 inch guns if not larger cause they're churning these out in peacetime without gimping themselves by destroying their own dockyards. Probably start seeing 9.2 inch Cruisers and even Super Carriers. About the only nation able to compete without bankrupting themselves in this reality would be the US and even then its not a contest they want to get involved in.
>>64221768
Considering there were engineers in the UK designing feasible 8 engine heavy bombers that could deliver earthquake bombs that would render cities uninhabitable to this day I shudder to think how big they could have got with naval artillery if they put their mind to it.

>>64221966
>feasible 8 engine heavy bombers that could deliver earthquake bombs that would render cities uninhabitable to this day
lol sure m8 avin a laff innit

>>64221966
>Probably start seeing 9.2 inch Cruisers
far more feasible than Incomparable actually; every major navy was winding up to build their 9"ers before the treaties put a stop to it

>>64221979
nope
Barnes Wallis designed a 50-ton bomber intended to carry the 1930s equivalent of a GBU-43 MOAB, a 10-ton bomb

picrel is WW2 Hanover
you can theoretically flatten it with just six such bombs, given perfect placement and blast

>>64221979
If only you knew how crazy teafags got....

>>64222013
>Barnes Wallis designed a 50-ton bomber intended to carry the 1930s equivalent of a GBU-43 MOAB, a 10-ton bomb
You mean a Grand Slam? The kind of bomb that was actually used?

>>64222036
The Grand Slam was designed for penetration so half its weight was steel
If the RAF really had gone for the idea with the intent to flatten a city, they would have built, like the MOAB, a 10-ton bomb that is 95% HE instead of just 50%

>>64221387
>Great white fleet
>gets painted orange by presidential decree

>>64222036
Barnes Wallis wanted something much heavier than the Grand Slam as outlined by >>64222045

>>64222062
You're thinking of the Tallboy; the Grand Slam *was* 10 tons

Which just goes to show that city-flattening by MOAB was in fact absolutely plausible

>>64222045
The RAF had the cookie, which was almost pure HE.

>>64222075
Yeah, the blockbusters (called that because they could bust a whole block of houses). 4000lbers were most effective at destroying industrial targets. The highest capacity would still be ~5 tons ie half of the GBU-43 MOAB.
I don't know shit about blast propagation and stuff so i don't know the difference between a 10 ton HE bomb and a 5 ton HE bomb.

>>64222056
>USS Donald Trump fully gilded

>>64222056
>painted black and rainbow
>names written in arabic

>>64209719
The Old Navy was pure SOVL

>>64222025
I just say this: Kawanishi KX-03.

>>64220969
https://hoover.blogs.archives.gov/2019/12/04/viva-hoover-exhibit-but-whats-that-thing-that-looks-like-a-clock/

>>64220868
why were they retarded? lead paint?
>>64220904
if you're into futanari, maybe

>>64222108
as a rule of thumb you add 25% blast radius for each doubling of yield

>>64209719
US navy ships are pure sexo

>>64222742
when the main gun has fire rate of one shot per few minutes and the secondary guns are to week to penetrate armour and damage anything imported, ramming suddenly becomes a valid opinion

>>64219343
Why did the French drop off so hard? If you were to try and name something after Charles Martel today, you'd be arrested for Islamophobia and sent to work off your debt to Allah in Marseilleistan.

>>64222025
I thought Soviet mega plane autism was limited to the Soviets.

>>64222444
This looks like something you'd make an offering to the sun god on.

>>64222411
Fascinating, thanks.

>>64220187
White paint was used to signify peacetime. Last time we did it was the Great White Fleet voyage, im pretty sure

Apparently it was in the 1930s too.
It's beautiful and intimidating at the same time.

>>64223621
Damn, what a picture.

>>64222444
Looks a bit like a mega yacht now? Bit too yellow needs a bit more orange like pic related?
>>64222742
>why were they retarded?
For their time they weren't. There was a brief period where armor technology had leapfrogged ahead of gun technology and even when guns had caught up a bit the effective ranges and rate of fire were so poor that ramming was still seen as a feasible tactic.
Considering that ramming was a key part of victory of the major naval engagements of the 19th century i.e. see the Battle of Lissa, then its understandable why they'd think having a ram bow as an offensive backup would be a good idea.
>>64223037
Brits were definitely putting something in their tea other than tealeaves considering the other whacky projects they had like genocide most of Europe with anthrax or setting the sea on fire. Shame they went broke as I would have loved to see even an attempt to arm a battleship with rocket assisted tallboys as was proposed.
>>64223621
Imagine witnessing the fleet exercises they did in the 20's. That would have been a sight to see!

Just posting more pics I found.

>>64224739
Why can't we have artistry anymore? Everything has given way to cold efficiency.

I only have like 925 images worth of predreadnoughts and other early stuff on my hard drive. There was this Russian naval website that hosted a lot of high quality photos of pretty much anything.

>>64224760
wait what

>>64222145
>>64222251
>Yes Xir

>>64224760
>>64225005
It was launched in 1860 while Ironclads were still a wild west of ship design

>>64209719
I work in Philly, anytime it's a nice day and I'm down I go see the Olympia, it's PEAK kino. Got to know the staff and all. Not only do I take the tour I've donated a few times what I can to keep her. Also on my short list of guns to buy is a 6mm Lee.

>>64219161
if they sailed around with a giant clock, I am now pissed that our carriers don't have awesome clocks built in.

>>64221076
"I'ma let these niggaz know what time it is, hol up!"

>>64219507
>two stacks for the engines
>two stacks for the boulangeries
>two stacks for the smoking areas

>>64224907
Probably was a former KGB vault someone had made public. Now will have to check in with FSB if you want access. Russians have loads of photos of what you wouldn't expect them to have including even better detailed survey maps of countries better than there own nation could produce and this was before satellites.
>>64225005
Ironclad era was an interesting time.

>>64225005
Need for high freeboard and some superstructure, but turred gun is heavy and would mess up with stability if placed high.

>>64225407
Wasn't there also some american (civil war?) ship that had a similar construction?

>>64218444
Anon I tried, does this suit your style?

"From the POV of an alien diplomat, aboard UNSF Nautilus:

It startled me to learn that our quiet courier through Neptune Gate bore a name older than any module on her spine. “Nautilus,” the Terrans said, as if that explained the whole of a mythology: a clockwork lineage of hulls and hopes stretching back to when their vessels breathed air. The first Nautilus slid beneath a polar cap on liquid water, not methane, and this impressed them so deeply that they went on naming machines after the feat as if repetition itself could keep the ice from closing.

Only later did I find the brass strip inset in the mess bulkhead, dulled by gloves and grease. It had been cut and soldered, cut and soldered, handed down like a family jawbone. The inscriptions are uneven, the decades crowded, the pride unseemly but sincere:

Pole ’58
GIUK Gap ’62
Sea of Japan ’68
Arctic FONOP ’24
Luna Mare Frigoris ’59 NEP (second line, a different hand)
Ceres Ice Docks ’72
Neptune Gate Escort ’03

We are presently arbitrating salvage tithes at Proteus Station, where a guild of helium skimmers claims eminent domain over the blue flares of the outer refineries. The Nautilus wears diplomatic pennants, yes—but names are gravity, and I wonder what chilled metal the next line will memorialize."

>>64225421
There were a lot of small ironclads built with central turret at that time in US, but those were only coastal ships. Would sink easily in open ocean.
HMS Edinburgh and similar were oceanic vessels, you could cover the hole in middle of sea goes bad

>>64225439
if sea goes bad^

>>64225439
I don't mean central turret, I specifically mean that construction with a turret and superstructure in that fashion.
I think it was something about the ship basically sinking on its maiden voyage on the high seas or something, because the constructor was a sperg who didn't listen to the engineers or something.

>>64225470
Sounds like HMS Captain
https://youtu.be/SipIKcxkFlY?t=3043
Can't find any US ship that had turret low, surrounded by superstructure

>>64222444
based digi-truth

>>64225513
Huh, yeah, that seems to be the one.
Maybe I discovered it through reading about monitors? No idea.
Though I find that kind of not-quite-sail-but-not-quite-sailless designs pretty sexy.

russian naval engineering best in the world

>>64225595
looks comfy

>>64225314
is it still a sail-by shooting if you don't have actual sails?

>>64225595
surprisingly they weren't as bad as they looked

>>64224757
>HMS SPEEDY
be me
HMS Speedy, 14-gun sardine can with sails
captain: Thomas Cochrane, government-issued gremlin with a commission
loadout: four-pounders, rope, uncut audacity
mission: make Spain’s coastal insurance weep

off Barcelona, 1801
spot El Gamo, xebec-frigate aka floating apartment complex
32 guns, ~319 dudes, probably has a tapas bar
math says “run”
Cochrane says “hold my shaving kit, I’m using the skylight”

plan.exe
get so close their big guns can’t point low enough
our entire ship is now the dead zone
tie up like a tick on a mastiff
board in waves, rotate teams, yell extra loud to sound like 500 guys
Spanish morale has stopped responding
someone drops their flag
we now own a frigate, please clap

prize money?
lol no
Admiralty pays in “exposure” and stern looks
French squadron shows up for the refund
we get captured
Napoleon gifts us to the Pope like a naughty dog on a neighbor’s porch
renamed San Paolo, put in time-out, fades from main story

meanwhile, Canadian side-quest DLC (different HMS Speedy)
Provincial Marine builds schooner out of green lumber and optimism
1804 Lake Ontario blizzard percent sign
carrying half the legal system to a trial
becomes cautionary tale, compass, and chicken coop washing ashore
wreck still playing hide-and-seek with divers
county seat moves, historians cope, lake says “skill issue”

lessons learned
being small = survivability buff until it isn’t
audacity crits harder than caliber
never trust prize courts or green timber

>>64222444
Reminds me of fried eggs.

Does America still make ships ?

>>64225883
yeah

>>64225658
EAT SIDE-COCK FAGGOT!

>>64225752
I thought that this was an end table with random crap on it until I clicked on it.

Unrelated but posting here so I can find it later.

>>64219339
Ce n'est pas une proue, c'est une péninsule!

>>64227204
>A SHIP is a vessel with 3 masts and square rigged on all masts
Modern """"ships"""" confirmed for not being ships

>>64227272
I didn't notice that until you brought it up.

>>64227272
Are you suggesting there's a difference between the chad sailing ship and the virgin steam boat?

>>64219161
those are dual-purpose secondaries btw
quite advanced for the time

>>64229091
>those are dual-purpose secondaries
More like essentially high angle AA guns used as secondary guns
Every nation had something similar. Not too far off from the German Flak 105 for example. 4" against enemy shipping is underpowered.
But these French guns did have fantastic rate of fire to be sure. Benefits of power loading.

>>64229207
the French love their autoloaders

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>>64224735
The Great White Fleet aesthetic is awesome

>>64222108
at what point did the Brits forget all notion that they were bombing civilians and historic European cities and just went for it?

This era of ships is kino

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>>64229537
did you take these anon?

>>64229993
Yeah during my trip to Japan last fall.

>>64230162
Really cool. I am planning a 2 week trip and visiting Mikasa is one of my stops.

>>64229487
You want Totalenkrieg you get Totalenkrieg.
The French surrendered Paris without a shot hoping to preserve it, but the Germans didn't do the same, made the Allies fight tooth and nail for each square inch, so there it is. The Germans dragged the world down into it.
Strategic bombing (for lack of better word) in those days was something like nuclear bombing today. Everyone feared it, everyone tried to avoid escalating to it, there were even interwar talks to outlaw it. (In that sense you can see the Hurricane as something of a THAAD equivalent today, intended to deny the enemy this awful weapon.) WW2's mass destruction of cities gives you a small scale taster of nuclear war, minus the lingering radioactive effects. Maybe like what if everyone limited themselves to low yield 1kt neutron bombs.

Besides, Europeans have never really been that big on preserving historic cities. Historic cities are what survived the sieges and sacks of the preceding millennium, don't forget.

>>64230273
>Besides, Europeans have never really been that big on preserving historic cities.
Wrong. But then again, in the 40s nobody knew about the horrors of 50s-70s architecture and the absolute abominations the 21st century would spawn.

>>64230284
Bauhaus architecture and its cousins in Britain etc is mainly scarcity-induced. Lots of blown up buildings to rebuild and a burgeoning population over the decades of relative peace. I have no idea but i suspect that first the expense of detailed stonework, and then the material itself, is what caused the problem. Maybe Europe ran out of stone in the massive amounts necessary for rebuilding.

>>64209750
Some days I wish the US Navy still had this level of ornamentation instead of Battleship gray and no greebles.

>>64230245
Spend as much time as possible in Kyoto

>>64230245
do Osaka, Kyoto, and Lake Biwa if you can

Osaka and Kyoto are oldskool Jap, very polite
Kyoto is Jap Disneyland even for Japs, they love going there and playing dress-up, and it's full of old houses and temples (that's my thing)

Tokyo has modernised and is kinda like NYC; much of the history has been overtaken by commercialism, immigrants, and expats. the natives there are little different from any other Western metropolis, just a hair more polite
I do not much like Yasukuni but that said, this year being the 80th anniversary of VJ they are pushing the boat out for WW2 commemoration so the museum there will be worth visiting either way

I did Osaka Castle and somewhat regret it, the exterior looks gorgeous but the interior makes it painfully clear that "it's only a model"
so I'm my next trip will be to Himeji Castle, and Lake Biwa. Biwa is like Jap Glencoe, now very much the hicks, but once full of history, lots of wars were fought there.

>>64230577
noice

>>64220502
long bow chads rise up

>>64224760
>when the bridge is an actual bridge

>>64224907
need moar predreanaughts

>>64211136
Monitor sailed from NY to VA.

>>64222025
I thought three tractors to a wing was really bad? Wasn't that why the B-36 went with pushers?

>>64231976
barely

>>64213945
Silence, bitch

>>64209735
>Mikasa
Sukasa

>>64235202
Oh you :3

>>64231976
Hugging the coastline and these boats were known to have problems when mass production happened that limited them to fair weather coastal duty. That being said, the turret and low profile was so profoundly ahead of the curve when it came to combat performance that their limitations didn't bar them from everyone wanting their own Monitor class boats.

>>64231923
cute