Thread 64214192

How tf are chinks gonna defend the TSMC fabs after blockading taiwan against this ? Yeah gg for Mr Xi I guess

>>64214192 (OP)
They can't. The only chance they have at detecting them is with low frequency early warning radars, which can't provide firing solutions. Then they've gotta find the B2s with more accurate ground based systems or more likely scramble fighters who will then meet the superior F-22 and F-35 escorts, all while JASSMs, Tomahawks and AARGM-ERs are giving C2 and the AD something to think about.

I wonder why they didn't throw a B-21 into the mix just to give it some field testing in an already well-guarded formation and with backup that could complete it's mission if it failed for any reason?
Maybe they did and haven't said.

>>64214192 (OP)
and turdoids are still coping hard with muh multipolar world order. Lol

>>64214283
The funniest thing about multipolarity to me is that it's an inherently Soviet idea so all those thirdies would be forced to be part of some shitass union under multipolarity.

>>64214213
> they've gotta find the B2s with more accurate ground based systems
I'm pretty sure they can and they can even reliably track it. Anybody that thinks the B2 can fly in with a couple of support aircraft like it's Iran is delusional. That section of China near Taiwan has some of the most dense and advanced AA systems on the planet

>>64214295
> multipolarity
"Multipolar" is literally just a world where China and maybe Russia has as much influence and power as the US.

>>64214301
don't economies mean jackshit in the face of military inferiority?

>>64214296
Still does not guarantee a firing solution. Emitting also allows you to be targeted by SEAD, which is something the Americans are unmatched at and something I mentioned earlier. Kill or no kill on the AD, the suppression part of SEAD is accomplished if the strike package can make it through thanks to it. I still believe the best chance they have will be to scramble as many interceptors as possible because those defenses are not limited by the vulnerability of being stationary.

>>64214301
>"Multipolar" is literally just a world where China and maybe Russia has as much influence and power as the US.
It's like the joke about Ferengi and freedom.

The nu-Eastern Bloc don't want an end to global hegemony, they want to become hegemons themselves.
It doesn't end there of course, the timeline goes something like:


>western globohomo hegemony exists <--- **we are here**
>western bullies loses influence with thirdies to enlightened countries more sympathetic to dictators, torturers and the corrupt
>fall of the degenerate west
>rising nu-Eastern Bloc (AKA the Global South for some reason) gain strength and influence
>now there are three hegemonies <--- **this is the Multipolar World**
>the west continues to be undermined by cunning nu-Eastern Bloc shenanigans and hybrid warfare
>west collapses due to degeneracy, civil war and all the rest
>nu-Eastern Bloc is the sole remaining allied hegemony coalition
>Ribbentrop time baby, who will strike first?
>China will probably strike last though
>individual nations are probably left alone due to Chinese racism but have to kowtow to China, implement Chinese controlled network monitoring and censoring, enforce "social harmony" laws preventing insults to the Chinese people and hand over any dissidents, journalists etc to China on demand
>the world falls under Chinese hegemony forever

Multipolar world is just like Trump's Epstein files and Hilary's emails and whatever, something to talk about to get the votes/obedience/whatever and discard later when it's no longer useful.
For now, team-Multipolar is about undermining and opposing the west, that's it. We know how it will work out afterwards because it's literally been done before.

>>64214305
Yeah but china is inferior both ways

>>64214344

>individual nations are probably left alone due to Chinese racism but have to kowtow to China, implement Chinese controlled network monitoring and censoring, enforce "social harmony" laws preventing insults to the Chinese people and hand over any dissidents, journalists etc to China on demand
>the world falls under Chinese hegemony forever
Anon I'm ethnic Chinese:
What I get out of the unironic actual boomers is they "want" (what they get out of propaganda from CCTV/state TV to influencers) more than this. They want to put a boot on the necks of other nations who have any other race than Chinese and to stomp down then go "uncivilized barbarians know your place in the world."

The idea of "civilizing barbarian nationstates" and how only China is a true "country" goes back over 2000 years - just as the governance style that Xi (like Mao) prefers is also ancient shitheadery. China never fucking changed, they're like Indians for being retards for millennia and got owned for it but feel like they have the "right" to be eternal hegemons.

Imagine if Western nations could scream "muh Roman Empire heritage" and had delusional ideas about how they rightfully own all of the world because of a 2000 year legacy. Add on top retarded culture and this is what Beijing is currently operating on so far as I can tell.

>>64214192 (OP)
they will read the Telegram chat

>>64214192 (OP)
>Stealth bombers
>But the fuel resupply planes are not stealth
What's even the point? Not that a shithole like Iran could detect those supply planes, but a non-3rd-world nation can do as much.

>>64214939
You just refuel 500 miles away from the air defenses then? The B-2 itself has a fully loaded combat radius of 3000 miles anyway.

>>64214192 (OP)
If one day China decided to go balls-to-the-wall and invade Taiwan, they would consider it a success regardless of the state Taiwan will be in under their control.
That is, even if not a shred of TSMC is left for China to exploit, even if none of its economy/industry could be integrated into China and even if Taiwan ends up a desolate, uninhabitable wasteland, China would have accomplished their goal.

The reason China is okay with reducing Taiwan into an irrelevant province so long as it's theirs is the same reason why China is okay with eroding everything that makes Hong Kong unique (and by extension an economic powerhouse) and the same reason why America et al want China to NOT do that.
That reason is that Taiwan (and Hong Kong) are (were) living, breathing examples of an alternative China that isn't communist, and THAT is what China wants to put an end to.
Basically, China wants to reach a point where when someone asks "but what about all these Chinamen who DON'T want to be communist" they can answer
>WHAT other Chinamen?
Which you'll agree is a much more convenient answer than
>Oh uh, they're salty reactionary rebels propped up by the west, the people there want communism, and if they don't it's because they fell victim to American propaganda

>>64214192 (OP)
The chinks get pasted if they ever try and make their belligerint military power propaganda for domestic consumption reality it really is that simple. Their navy and airforce would be gone in a week.

>>64215117
If this was true they would have nuked the island a long time ago

>>64215146
They wouldn't, for the same reason they haven't invaded Taiwan up until now despite (arguably) being able to take on the Taiwanese army alone, America's involved.
That being said, TSMC is definitely a deterrent for Chinese invasions in (ironically) the same way Chinese manufacturing deters foreign invasions.
>Oh, we really need the shit they produce, maybe we don't need to invade right away, give it some time.
I am saying that IF China decided to invade despite that, taking Taiwan would be mission accomplished with or without TSMC and they'd go into this war with the assumption they burned that bridge and are not going to benefit from TSMC anymore.
And IF that was somehow successful and America decided to give China one last 'fuck you' in the form of annihilating anything that has the letters T,S,M or C on it from the air than fuck it, they still got a monopoly over the Chinese identity.

>>64214775
>Anon I'm ethnic Chinese:
>What I get out of the unironic actual boomers is they "want" (what they get out of propaganda from CCTV/state TV to influencers) more than this
I'm not but I lived there for a long time and my Chinese friends were obviously the fringe-dwellers/westerboos who more or less hated the boomers etc. So I do have a pretty good perspective.
That said, I don't specifically disagree with anything you wrote.

Your point about CCTV (and also the wumao re:re:re wechat forwards sent around social groups*) is significant though, it shows that the view isn't organic but is what is being pushed by the Propaganda Department. This changes over time and only reflects what the CCP want the public being angry at, it doesn't reflect long term strategy.

They could just be wanting the public to hate USA to ensure they buy local, whilst continuing to sell shit to the USA non-stop and taking anyone smart enough not to fall for the propaganda anyway and sending them to study in the west and bring back tech and money to be a big fish back in the home pond.

Anyway, I think there's an organic belief in revenge for the century of humiliation, general colonisation victimhood (kind of justified considering opium wars) and as you say, a sense that China is technically a real-er country than any other and should be respected as such. I don't think this extends to domination but for sure the CCP would make it so.

>Add on top retarded culture and this is what Beijing is currently operating on so far as I can tell.
It's just dictator things, they all want that.

* added my MiL to kid's parent/teacher group, next day she forwarded a shill wolfwarrior post about some USA bullshit, we had to call her and get her to recall it, with like 30s remaining before it was permanent, and apologise to the group. Cultural revolution boomers man.

>>64214939
OTH radar is expensive, and if you've been flying refueling planes for the past week or longer, it's kind of hard to get the commander to scramble all of your AD just because you see refueling planes.

>>64214296
>I'm pretty sure they can and they can even reliably track it
lol
lmao
Fuck off chink

>>64214939
The tankers don't enter hostile airspace, they go home at the border leaving the combat airframes to start the exciting part of the mission fully-fueled.

>>64215117
>>64215189
>there is a deterrent preventing an invasion
>but if they decide to ignore the deterrent, they would ignore the deterrent
kinda obvious, no?

>>64214192 (OP)
Destroy the aircraft at their base with drones. Sink the US ships in port with drones. Decap US CNC with -- you guessed it -- drones. The Great Pacific War is going to be over in 30 minutes.

>>64216322
I like how normoids like you assume that drones are some magical the be all and end all, not just some lobotomized cruise missiles.
>what is SHORAD?
>what is operating in a theater hundreds of miles off a coast?

>>64214296
>I'm pretty sure they can and they can even reliably track it.
Proof?
>That section of China near Taiwan has some of the most dense
What ones, how many, and where?
>and advanced AA systems on the planet
Proof?

>>64216322
Yes, it will be, after 30 minutes mainland china will be mostly depopulated

>>64214296
The same place where they lost track of Nancy Pelosi's airliner because of some Growlers, right?

>>64214192 (OP)
TSMC fab would be rigged to explode by the Taiwanese themselves if the Chinese would ever get close to taking it. And if it somehow were to survive, I am not sure the USA would surgically strike it. Because without TSMC we suddenly lose a LOT of high end chip production. And that would hit the entire world economy.

>>64216376
1(one) growler

>>64216376
lmao forgot about that, they managed to lose track of a 737 with an RCS of 50 m2 even when they had both coverage from type 55s and ground based radars knowing exactly when and where she was supposed to be

>>64216436
The fab never mattered, the talent does.

>>64214296
nah

>>64214775
I'm sick and tired of some fucktard somewhere messing up my life for "muh glory! Muh legacy!" They can't be satisified with fucking their own country, they have to fuck everyone else. Ego truly is a sin.

>>64216342
>Just ignores what the Ukes have been doing deep in Russian territory.

Fine. Just don't act surprised when it happens here.

>>64216621
>The zigger Navy who can't maintain 1 (one) aircraft carrier and spent 30 years repairing a cruiser is the pinnacle of naval prowess
Gee I sure am surprised when those retards get sunk puttering along a couple dozen miles off the coast of a landlocked sea

>>64214775
>Imagine if Western nations could scream "muh Roman Empire heritage" and had delusional ideas about how they rightfully own all of the world because of a 2000 year legacy
i mean, you're not wrong, but americans actually surpassed that level of delusion and now think they supersede rome as the hegemons of christianity through their own heretical nonsense

>>64216621
See your issue is you're assuming russia serves as an example of a modern military and as such their failures are representative of failures of modern militaries in general.

>>64216647
>>64216672
china just needs to rent/buy a few warehouses near US bases and fill them with drones

>>64216677
>See your issue is you're assuming russia serves as an example of a modern military and as such their failures are representative of failures of modern militaries in general.

>>64216677
>>See your issue is you're assuming russia serves as an example of a modern military and as such their failures are representative of failures of modern militaries in general.

>>64216322
>>64216372
Add another 30 minutes for flight time, and maybe an hour or two if DoD and whoever the new NCA is run around like chickens with their heads cut off because nobody remembers how to follow procedures. In the end, it's largely irrelevant, as long as at least two Ohios are at sea.

>>64214192 (OP)
They dont need to.
After TSMC destruction next largest and most advanced chip producer is China themselves.

P.S. B-2 is easy target for J-20

>>64216847
>can't find a 737 when it's with a growler
Good luck finding a B-2

>>64216847
Do you anons think this chinkshill genuinely believes what he's saying or just saying it to meet his quota?

>>64215478
>They could just be wanting the public to hate USA to ensure they buy local, whilst continuing to sell shit to the USA non-stop and taking anyone smart enough not to fall for the propaganda anyway and sending them to study in the west and bring back tech and money to be a big fish back in the home pond.
You missed how they burned shops that sold Japanese branded shit (ex: Canon camshops) in a brief moment of outrage, except all the shops were run by local Chinese. Never made international news but over a decade+ ago this was some domestic fuckery. The biggest bullshit part of it was beyond the nationalist outrage, the shops that didn't burn were paying local officials protection money so it was blatant double dipping. Stir up the ultranationalist fervor and also fuck over non-payees over the racket

>Anyway, I think there's an organic belief in revenge for the century of humiliation, general colonisation victimhood (kind of justified considering opium wars) and as you say, a sense that China is technically a real-er country than any other and should be respected as such. I don't think this extends to domination but for sure the CCP would make it so.
When I saw Xi Dada I told my family to prepare for Mao 2.0 and they dismissed me. They cried so much about how Mao ruined their teenage/young adulthood years - of course they didn't listen and went "he's different, he cracked down on petty corruption." Now they're between hyper-copium in believing he will make China rightfully dominate Earth and elevate Chinese into being the most supreme race on Earth to hyper-coping about how he is worse than Mao

The bullshit part is when they suddenly go "America is responsible for the opium wars because they are the descendants of the British." Fucking propaganda soaked into their brains as they clearly deny the Revolutionary War and start uttering borderline Russian style propaganda about the British centric conspiracy that rules America as if they were Jewish bankers

>>64216874
>IR photo from WVR during an exercise
If you wanna play the IRST game, the F-35's EOTs mogs everything else lmao. IR can't even spot an afterburner plume from more than 100 miles away, much less a shielded turbofan. And tell me, how long will it take to scan 150° × 60°
of sky 100 miles away with an IRST camera that has 1° FOV?

>>64215478
>it doesn't reflect long term strategy.
As much as I'd like this to be the case, I feel that Xi has a sort of increasingly demented world view in the same sense that Putin had one thanks to the coof (which obviously came from China given all the face saving shit that was done down to flexing on the WHO to not let it be named after the speculated origin location) and political rivals. Xi has done the Stalin thing of purging the loving shit out of all his rivals while feeling insecure as fuck.

Xi has weird kooky ideas because he's got the sycophant league of wolf warrior type officials and the princelings that mutually benefit from him so he never gets a realistic view of how much that pisses people off. It was like how they kept doing the shit of making countries beg and go through (perceivable, for Chinese) face loss of basically kowtowing to KN95s that were defective and shitty during the coof. Obviously a move from the princelings that kept inflaming diplomacy after it was clear it was a shitty move but that's thousands of years of culture for you.

I genuinely believe he has information isolation especially now that Li's dead and he can listen to his sycophant league telling him shit like monke got told Ukraine was a house of cards and their military readiness was at "Berlin in 3 days." I think Russia's folly in Ukraine was one of the few moments of a reality check that hit him, given how Russia had a chastity cage put on them for the Winter Olympics.

>>64216659
lol, lmao
said the 1/14th of a USD shill who has a nation that thinks they rule heaven and earth

>>64214192 (OP)
In college I fucked a Chinese chick who said she hated being Asian.

>>64214192 (OP)
>How tf are chinks gonna defend the TSMC fabs after blockading taiwan against this?
By convincing the Americans and Euros that they'd rather see Taiwan turned into a nuclear crater than be denied access to TikTok and cheap online shops for longer than a day.
I don't think they'd have to work particularly hard for it.

>>64216847
Imao. Delusional chinkesoid

>>64214301
>maybe Russia
Russia isn't a great power, so no. Their economy is about the size of Italy and their military is a former paper tiger, now simply paper.

>>64214301
>>64217039
That is why I (anon who bought up multipolarity) said Soviet instead of Russia cause they're a shell of what they were

>>64215117
>>64215189
America getting an excuse to raze TSMC facilities to the ground would be an absolute win for the US, though. The amount of specialization and relatively cheap (but still highly skilled) labour that's gone into Taiwanese semiconductor fabrication is almost impossible to compete with, even if the equipment is Dutch and not actually Taiwanese, which is why most US CPU & GPU companies don't do their own manufacturing anymore.

It's not politically viable to try to kill TSMC through tariffs because that would push them into China's arms, and with free trade they can't really compete.

If China invades Taiwan then the US can go ahead and destroy TSMC and while it would cause supply chain shocks, it would suddenly become very economically viable to do semiconductor fabrication in the continental US, especially once they get around to repealing the "civil rights" garbage and restoring freedom of association (so they can staff their foundries with competent people, no quotas).

>>64217131
This. People like to pretend that the US is incapable of manufacturing advanced chips for some reason, but Intel is the second most advanced semiconductor foundry in the world and it's not even close, regardless of how much Samsung tries to lie and pretend that they're keeping up. There's also a secret fourth competitor in the space: GlobalFoundries acquired a 7nm fab facility from IBM about a decade ago. Unfortunately, they lost AMD as a customer shortly afterward and had to exit the race, falling back on their commodity fab business. The fab still exists though, along with the R&D and patents.

If TSMC were to disappear, Intel would become the new TSMC practically overnight, and there would be enough leftover demand for GloFo to reboot their business in advanced nodes.

>>64216870
I don't think they believe anything. They are told that spamming their bullshit helps protect the glory of the People's Republic and they get their peice of eight at the end of the pay period, but I doubt they believe. Belief means to invest yourself into something, emotionally and intellectually. You think they can belive in the glory of their country? The Chinese can see the failings of their society. They live in the tofu-dreg apartment buildings, walk on the cracked concrete of their streets and breathe the smog-filled air. They work at the factories where they have anti-suicide nets, no OSHA protections and treat unions like terrorist cells. They shop in the streets damp with the gutter oil used in their poor restaurants and use the escalators in their shopping malls that turn into meat-grinders when they break. The Chinese know what they're doing to their rivers and lakes and the oceans they sail in. And you ask if they believe the words of their fellows? The conmen and scammers? The abusive police and psychotic military? President Xi Xiping - the man who was nicknamed Winnie the Pooh by his own people? The ones that are allowed access to the Western-side of their digital great-wall are offended that we know because it hits their paycheck (China lose face = no paycheck), not because they actually like the country and its people.

They MIGHT think their military armaments work, but they don't really believe in them.

>>64217131
>>64217479
I see the kusobao are saying that it's better if America just let innocent people get bombed by the commies, now. Very implessive argument. Is this a new script?

>>64216677
anon... china is already doing that...

>>64218719
Absolute nothingburger already being dealt with.
>Chinese investments decreased 27%, or 106,599 acres, over the period amid national security concerns regarding how much American farmland the country owns.
https://www.agriculturedive.com/news/foreign-ownership-of-us-farmland-continues-to-rise-chinese-holdings-fall/737694/

>>64216964
>As much as I'd like this to be the case, I feel that Xi has a sort of increasingly demented world view in the same sense that Putin had one thanks to the coof
I think covid was a case of Beijing realising that they were already fucked by it and may as well make sure everyone else got fucked too while getting a head start on containment and response that they both had prior experience of (SARS involved quarantines too, my ex was caught in one for a while, Chinese all knew what was coming before quarantines were announced) and because they're authoritarian and totalitarian, they're much better equipped to mandate and enforce quarantines on a national scale.
The rural/urban divide also means that loads of food producing regions didn't get much hit at all, you can quarantine a family farm and they can still work their fields. Quarantining an entire farming community means the big factory farms can still be worked too.

>Xi has weird kooky ideas because he's got the sycophant league of wolf warrior type officials and the princelings that mutually benefit from him so he never gets a realistic view of how much that pisses people off.
The whole "hide your light under a bushel" thing was about quietly catching up to the rest of the world industrially and technologically while not pissing them off by presenting China as a rival. Xi clearly felt that that time had passed and a confrontation was due, to some extent, whenever that confrontation occurred, whether it was a post-facto recognition of what had already happened or a direct challenge with face-off, there was going to be some chest-beating about it.

You might be right that the wolf-warrior stupidity was a bit below his level and obviously it's largely domestic anyway but the reaction from western commentators etc plays into and reinforces domestic propaganda and might help to reduce brain drain and westaboos sympathetic to the west so there could be an element of grand strategy to it.

>>64219433
I think a big part of the varus was that the impact on Chinese society is still being felt even half a decade after the whole thing went down. Chinese people went from saving more than the rest of the world to saving like crazy. A lot of the world has recovered, while growth in China has plateaued since then directly because of the population having this reaction to the handling of the varus.

>>64216964
>I think Russia's folly in Ukraine was one of the few moments of a reality check that hit him
I've always been curious how the PLA tried to spin being so totally oblivious to Russia as being as bad as they were at complex combined arms operations despite doing so many joint exercises with them. It's especially conspicious since the worst performing parts of the Russian military (the Airforce and the Navy) are what the PLA would be most reliant on in a Pacific Conflict. Seems like Xi would have been likely to at least consider that a possible explanation for why the PLA didn't recognize their Russian counterparts being shit was that they weren't much better, and that a lot of the military exercises have been bassically by rote (potentially even the ones trying to realistically simulate the US military having advantages over them).

>>64214192 (OP)
If the us didn’t get involved the chinks would have only a 50/50 shot. With us assistance they have a zero percent chance of taking Taiwan

>>64215634
The only aircraft capable to be active around Taiwan in US inventory are F-15EX and F-18 (Carrier launches). Every other aircraft requires refuelling to have an actual chance of combat around the island. China has therefore built their aircraft around not beating American aircraft 1v1 but removing the tankers instead.

This is why the USA should be building long range capable fighters and interceptors so we can protect tankers and threaten assets around Taiwan's airspace. Plus, of course, a replacement for F-18's on carriers to compliment F-35s.

>>64221770
>I've always been curious how the PLA tried to spin being so totally oblivious to Russia as being as bad as they were at complex combined arms operations despite doing so many joint exercises with them
I would argue that they clearly knew but kept quiet about it.
What's likelier, that they need Russia as a trusted ally against USA?
Or that they'll be fighting Russia over Manchuria?

They may not have predicted that Russia would get halted at the Kyiv suburbs but they probably don't mind, this war as gone great for China after all.

To put it another way, if Russia did well in Ukraine, then you clearly underestimated how they'd pull together in a real war, they're richer than they were and you value them more as an ally.
If not, you have nothing to fear from them in Manchuria and you both know it, they're weaker than they were and they need you more (a lot more as it happens).
In the latter case, they were of no use against USA anyway so not great loss to your future military strategy.

China really is just camping the "collect 1VP/turn" square on this board while everyone else keeps getting greedy and failing to achieve the high point objectives.

>>64221919
Considering we just finished phasing out the Bug for the Superbugs and are still in the process of getting Amys on the deck, I don't think it's feasible to expedite another carrier fighter. The F-47 is around the corner though, and it'll pull its own weight as opposed to being a forward datalink element (Amy) or missile trucks (Superbugs and Eagles).

>>64216735
>NCA is run around like chickens with their heads cut off because nobody remembers how to follow procedures.
This shit has never worked lmao. "Decapitation" strikes are just memes. Assassinating leadership does nothing.

>>64222053
That only doesn't work when you're fighting untrained fanatic Jihadists, not some military and especially culture that relies on C2.

>>64219433
I think a big part of is internal issues in China. The CCP has a Leninist party structure, which is an authoritarian single-party system with very limited civil rights, no independent judiciary or press, and a military pointed squarely at its own citizens. Xi Jinping has also been (probably) freaked out for a long time that what happened in the USSR could happen in China. A lot of how the Chinese state views the world is a reaction to failure and collapse of the Soviet Union. These are inherently fragile systems, although they seem strong, because they need to reform otherwise they stagnate, but reform threatens to take on its own momentum and unleash centrifugal forces that undermine the party's control. China has been making various reforming for years (primarily in the economy), but Xi has jammed the control rods back in to tighten party control. It's like accordion that expands then tightens up again.

Then look at the history of China. It has repeatedly collapsed and broken up (sometimes for centuries at a time), and provinicial rivalries are fierce. China is not monolithic although the party tries to make it appear that way. China is also very, very, very VERY sensitive to any even slight suggestion that any part of the country could become not a part of the country. Even for humorous or ironic effect. Hmm. People who go to work for Chinese state media outlets will tell stories. Don't make direct comparisons between Zhejiang and Shanghai even though they're right next to each other. You could say that Zhejiang is an amazing place because it is right next to Shanghai which is also amazing. But don't you dare suggest that if Zhejiang was its own country, it would have the world's XXth largest economy. Even that is verging on separatism. I'm not even talking about Tibet or Xinjiang or other areas.

>>64221937
>I would argue that they clearly knew but kept quiet about it.
>What's likelier, that they need Russia as a trusted ally against USA?
I don't know. A militarily competent Russia threatening Europe after conquering Ukraine fait accompli style would have been *very* convinient for China in terms of keeping the US from being able to focus on the Pacific. And while China has ultimately profited off of a militarily deadlocked Russia becoming dependent on them because of sanctions, ultimately Russia fucked up and underperformed badly enough that a few things going differently might have seen them lose the war in the first year outright/chimp out with nooks. All that seems a bit too unpredictable to me for the PRC to find desirable. I think if Xi had an inkling to how inept the Russian military was, he'd have tried to keep them from invading or at least try to get Putin to go for something less ambitious.

I'm also not sure how the PLA would intentionally keep quiet about some of the Russian military proficiency problems. A professional air-force for example doing exercises with the VKS might find it pretty conspicious that they weren't really capable of conducting operations above the flight level, or against any real kind of opposition. I think a lot of your rank and file pilots would come away thinking they were alchoholic nimrods who could only do basic air missions by rote. Unless you were in an air-force kind of also doing the same thing.

I guess the question would be what measures they might have taken to try to unfuck things internally.

I don't think it'll collapse anytime soon though. But the images of Beijing (for example you see are fairly selective. It is remarkably beautiful and clean for such a large city. Because it's supposed to be that way. The reality is that an hour away from Beijing, people are still shitting in holes in the ground, heating their homes with flames in their kitchens, and walking to get water.

>>64222137
All true
Don't even joke about that shit
t. Guangzhou forever

>>64214192 (OP)
XJP will only pull the trigger if he thinks he's really in danger of being ousted and given the ol Kruschev

I don't know how this fits in, but China is virtually at its debt limit, due to how much its state-owned corporations have borrowed
A war is no bueno at this time

The perfect timing might, I think, be 2040. By that time China might have fully kitted itself out with advanced hardware, the PLAN would be big enough to put a TEZ around Taiwan and tell everyone else to back off, and most importantly, the kids from the 3 Child Policy are in their teens and the perfect age to brainwash and prepare as attrition replacements

>>64214296
US-China war would be so kino.
ZS engineering and insane logistics versus Chinese numbers and war autism. Almost a shame other players would come in and spoil it.

>>64222175
I don't think they're gonna have till that far out economically to sustain a much bigger force than what can be built by 2030. Due to the majority of PLAN vessels being built at almost around the same time, they're going to first hit a midlife maintenance wall, then a general maintenance wall somewhere between 2028-2033 where the costs of crewing and maintaining the fleet will hugely surpass the cost of building more vessels. TFR is an even bigger hurdle, if the varus made growth plateu for 5 years and had everyone saving all their cash instead of spending it, what will it take to convince people to take the much bigger risk & burden of having children?

>>64222146
>I think a lot of your rank and file pilots would come away thinking they were alchoholic nimrods who could only do basic air missions by rote
That's probably true.
How would we know?
They're surely under orders not to embarrass the nation.

>A militarily competent Russia threatening Europe after conquering Ukraine fait accompli style would have been *very* convinient for China
But if it isn't to be, what's the loss?
It's not that China wouldn't prefer some outcomes to others, it's that they can't control the outcomes to that detail because it's Russia's war to win or lose. If they can win then great, if they lose then you make bags of money as a consolation prize and maybe get to colonise greater Manchuria.

>>64222175
>t. Guangzhou forever
Old Cantonese culture survives in Foshan, friend.
Anyang might have taught Chinese how to write but Foshan taught them how to enjoy a Sunday brunch.

>>64222175
>the kids from the 3 Child Policy
There aren't as many of those as you think.
People can barely afford to raise one child, they're not making plans for big families.

>>64214192 (OP)
Taiwan political leaders are puppets of the US who plans to bomb TSMC

MEANWHILE China wants reunification and the continued success of TSMC

No wonder Taiwan youth have zero morale or desire to serve in their temporary illegitimate puppet military

>>64214310
> Emitting also allows you to be targeted by SEAD
You're acting like the Chinese won't deploy jets while covering every inch of land near Taiwan with AAs. And the reality is, the reason why the US seems unmatched in this field is because we've never faced against a near-peer adversary. Iran and Iraq are not equal to the US.

>>64215534
People like you are why this broad has gone down in quality so much. It's basically just a circle jerk for NATO and the US.

>>64216344
> Proof?
JY-27V and YLC-8B. These two radars are meant to work together along with other systems to detect stealth aircraft.
> What ones, how many, and where?
HQ-9, S-300, S-400, HQ-16, HQ-6, HQ-17, HQ-7, FL-3000, Pantsir-S1, HQ-10, LY-80, HQ-12, HQ-9B, HQ-19. They also have the largest inventory of AA guns. Most of it are legacy weapons, but a decent portion are modern.

China doesn't publicly release data on their defenses, but they're estimated to have around 2,500 AA systems. This is also complemented by 2,566 combat aircraft, which are a fix of old and modern assets.

> Proof?
The Northern and Eastern section of China has the most numerous and advanced equipment simply due to the North being the location of the Capital, along with where South Korea and Japan is. The East is where most of the population resides and losing control of the East is detrimental as it isolates Northern and Southern China.

Southern China is less advanced as there aren't any threats down south.

>>64216376
You're retarded if you think the Chinese didn't study and reflect on that failure. Nancy Pelosi basically gutted the EW advantage the US had against the Chinese.

>>64216587
Sorry, but Iran's AA defense systems are shit. China is in another league compared to them. China's also been collecting/given battlefield data by Russia from the Russo-Ukraine war which is further advancing and plugging failures in their systems.

>>64222182
I much as I support the sovereignty of Taiwan, it's going to kill everyone

>>64222275
Lmao. Cope

>>64222344
Coping is Washington DC think tanks howling “Chinese aggression” when Laos decides to get Chinese cell towers installed in woods where the US left bombs

>>64222339
There's being prudent, then there's you. I'm the first anon you quoted, and why did you talk about interceptor jets, then SEAD as if I didn't just mention it in that very same sentence? Of course they're gonna send jets up or divert patrols, I said that 3 separate times. It's funny you talk with perfect hindsight that the Iraqi AD is bad 30 years later, when the majority of the aircraft doing SEAD were from the 70s. Yes it was easier than expected but has anyone done the level of SEAD that we did then built upon the experience from it? No. Unless you wanna include Israel who DEADed the fuck out of S-300 sites this year.

I didn't wanna quote you word for word but lmfao this is ridiculous
>You're retarded if you think the Chinese didn't study and reflect on that failure. Nancy Pelosi basically gutted the EW advantage the US had against the Chinese.
>Sorry, but Iran's AA defense systems are shit. China is in another league compared to them. China's also been collecting/given battlefield data by Russia from the Russo-Ukraine war which is further advancing and plugging failures in their systems.
By your logic from this brief encounter, the US SIGINT shadowing Pelosi would have acquired just as much jamming edge from the cutting edge Type 55s and J16s, but clearly US jamming is useless now it's been used, just like how it happened back in '95, right? And don't you think the US has had even more SIGINT gathered considering they used their own Patriot and TPQ-53 systems with the Ukies, along with a handful of NATO AWACS?

Also, why even list the number and type of Chinese AD systems as if we already didn't know that, while not providing at least a puccian or western analog? Are you reading off a script or something?

>>64216376
>>64216471
>>64216483
Wait, really?

>>64214280
Who says they didn't.
Air Force likes leaving ambiguity in the actual ability of even older kit, let alone the new stuff. It doesn't just leave a blank spot, it makes any info you could extrapolate from it murky.

>>64222519
>Laos already was historically allied with China
>Laos is right next to China, probably entwined economically
>Laos probably already has contracts with Chinese wireless providers
>"This is a huge blow to America, surely they must give a huge shit"
like seriously, when did anyone in the white house give a fuck about any of this?
Are you so devoid of anything substantive to wave around as a "victory?"

>>64222519
Howling is the wrong verb you ESL
Why the fuck should the US care when Laos has a population of 7 million and are literally communist?

>>64214192 (OP)
>How tf are chinks gonna defend the TSMC fabs after blockading taiwan against this ? Yeah gg for Mr Xi I guess
Because the fabs don't matter, they have zero impact on what China wants.

B2s, and B21s will not be deployed in an airspace as saturated as China, the PLARF can, and will strike literally every sortie generating site for conventional fighters, every C2 node, every piece of dual purpose infrastructure it possibly can in a war with Taiwan, and by extension the USA. The main goal is to force the USA beyond the 2nd island chain, and use VLRAAMs to destroy enabling air assets, while annihilating anything ground based with an obscene amount of FIRES. Then they want to whittle down any US fighters that attempt to fight them in air combat with the 400+ 5th gens, and 700+ 4.5 gen aircraft they have, all while having a huge advantage from GBAD, and ground based assets, an easier time generating sorties, and a much younger fleet of aircraft with all of their assets immediately available (The USA might have a lot of 5th gens too, but how many are deployed in Europe). That's before touching on the Naval aspect, but since the question was about B2/B21, that's how they'd deal with it from the air.

>>64223044
I really like how you completely ignore the defenses Taiwan themselves will have, forcing the majority of the strike to be concentrated there. I also found it curious that you ignore the fact that the rocket force only has 600 ballistic launchers for all your different rockets, which will take hours to reload and strike again after the first salvo. Finally I appreciate you ignoring the defenses on all these aforementioned distributed bases.

>>64223103
>I really like how you completely ignore the defenses Taiwan themselves will have
The disparity between the PLA, and ROC is absurd, like insanely absurd, All of their air defence sites will be mapped, and hit, they will have an insane number of loitering munitions, cruise, and ballistic missiles spammed at them, AT THE SAME TIME, as targets inside the first island chain are hit, including Japan (and possibly the Philippines).
>I also found it curious that you ignore the fact that the rocket force only has 600 ballistic launchers for all your different rockets, which will take hours to reload and strike again after the first salvo
600 launchers is a fucking lot man, and it won't take hours to reload, and they won't be the only missiles launched either, Cruise missiles, drones, and even glide bombs/MLRS will be fired, the entire ROCAF will be wiped out in very short order.
>Finally I appreciate you ignoring the defenses on all these aforementioned distributed bases.
Taiwans military infrastructure is a joke man, even they know it's a joke, they have no hardening to survive this, and they're not motivated like the Ukrainians are.

>>64223151
Keep telling yourself that. You going from confidently reciting this perfect scenario with exact numbers and specs turning into to 'trust me man, it's not gonna work cause I said so' is all I need to hear lmfao

>>64223044
>The main goal is to force the USA beyond the 2nd island chain[...and to give up and go home after a surprise attack]
I feel like I've seen this movie before. Maybe we'll get to see if the US reacts the same to aircraft being touched as they do boats and buildings.

>>64223198
Wtf are you talking about? What more do you want me to say? If you've done any research you'd know how much of a shitshow the RoC military is, and that China has an incredibly deep magazine for massed FIRES.

>>64223293
So it went from definitely destroying access to beyond the second island chain to 'Taiwan is incompetent and we have a lot of rockets so we can definitely use them with zero intervention'. Implessive

Ok tell me why this wouldn't work.

The least stealthy part of the B2 is the exhausts, especially from above. Right?
So you get your slant eyed airborne radar, get it up higher than the B2 is gonna be (assuming of course that thing is able to), and you can get a good enough idea of where they are to send fighters in close enough that the IRST picks it up.

>>64223306
??? They can do both at the same time, how is this contradictory?
>Taiwan, and US assets are attacked by mass generation of FIRES
>US loses initiative, is forced to be reactive
>This weakens the assets in the first island chain, makes it easier for the PLA to deny or destroy their ability to fight
>This gives the PLA time to contest them in the 2nd island chain when the US attempts to rotate assets in to continue the fight
How is anything what I said contradictory? Taiwan is less of a threat than the JSDF in Chinese warplans.

>>64222275
>illegitimate

Funny that you would apply that term to the people that won the last honest election China ever had. Where are you posting from, somewhere in West Taiwan?

>>64223327
so your entire plan is based on the assumption that both the clearly weak and unmotivated Taiwan and the US will just allow themselves to be cucked by a couple missiles making it through, ensuring supreme dominance for the PLA. Honestly incredible that the warplans look like this.

>>64223316
What is you chinks obsession with IR? Don't you have radar that can totally see stealth that was paraded front and center three days ago?

>>64214213
Nothing heat seeking dual sensor missiles and CAP's can't solve. I wish you gweilo a merry missile spam

>>64216965
You are both the same. One calls it the Mandate of Heaven, the other calls it Manifest Destiny

>>64215130
You and what army? Mutts won't die for slants, that's less goys for Israel

>>64216999
I bet everybody clapped

>>64221894
All you need is to sink a carrier to make the mutts run tucked tail. Ain't nothing Zoggie loathes more than to be in the line of fire for yet another Asian "ally" (vassal state)

>>64223363
It won't be a couple missiles, no. It won't be submission by choice either. The magic phrase is "combined arms"

>>64216659
Foreigners always just make shit up about us and expect us to take it seriously. We as society really need to talk about how outside influences take advantage of our willingness to self critique to weaken us

>>64222339
>Nancy Pelosi basically gutted the EW advantage the US had against the Chinese.
Fucking chink shill lmao
Kill yourself dog

>>64214192 (OP)
defend?

>>64222339
>JY-27V and YLC-8B. These two radars are meant to work together along with other systems to detect stealth aircraft.
Neither of them work. Just ask Syria and Pakistan.
Also, none of those SAMS are anything but targets, and work about as well as they do in Iran, Syria, Pakistan, and Ukraine.

>>64222218
fuck knows
looking back at Hitler's planning, it was a confluence of economic, army, navy, air force and war production factors, and Hitler balanced them and made the strategic decisions to optimise some and not the others (Doenitz always bitched that he didn't have enough Uboats, and the economists were proven right that they needed 2 more years for the factories to spin up; conversely some think too much time was spent on preparing the Heinkel 111s)

the factors today are a bit more complicated, and who knows how they will balance it

>>64222262
I'm fake cantonese anyway lol

>>64222271
>There aren't as many of those as you think
true
but it's one factor that occurred to me

>>64222275
Delusional. They hate mainlanders so much.
t. I go there and live with a Taiwanese.

>>64224098
>They hate mainlanders so much
not so much that they spend as much on defence as, say, Singapore

>>64218719
I have a hard time trusting this infographic. The Chinese own the entire island of Hawaii?

>>64223006
>Howling is the wrong verb you ESL
It's a perfectly cromulent word, you illiterate hick.
Just because you never read a book growing up doesn't mean that emotive language isn't correct English.

>>64223980
>Foreigners always just make shit up about us and expect us to take it seriously.
To be fair, Trump does the same thing constantly. It might be something dictators etc do but it's not specifically a dictator thing, it's more of a liar thing.

>We as society really need to talk about how outside influences take advantage of our willingness to self critique to weaken us
That's true and I'm not sure of the solution because going the other way causes big problems too.
Do you want to end up huffing copium and going to war with an army that isn't what you thought, or being insecure and belt&bracer-ing every last piece of your war machine because you couldn't bear a plane unloading coffins and are terrified of accusations of war crimes?

>>64216613
oh chink anon, you do realize that even in peaceful coexistence with the west, you're literally going to get nooked from the genepool because asian women just love white men for their BWC and white women aren't remotely interested in asian men. It's literally a war of annihilation, physical & genetic, that's been waged on you. On the physical front is the real "war" war & economic war and on the genetic front are the social, cultural and loox mog type of war aimed at cucking & eradicating you from the genepool .
This isn't a racist rage b8, but it's just a fact that WAR IS GOD and you're partaking in it whether you like it or not on all levels. Why did your country curb the imports of semen from white men?

Can someone tell me why there are so many Chinese comments on youtube and other websites? Especially when china doesn't allow access to that website?

>>64223849
Your magazine depth for a first salvo is maximum 600. I already said that. Combined arms, you think that this American wouldn't know that? You think any US and Taiwanese fighters would just stand idly watching the sky populate considering all you have to conduct these combined strikes are lumbering H6s and externally mounted standoff weapons on your 'stealth' fighters and flanker clones? What about the fact that all your destroyers will be even more top heavy than they usually are, with only a single layer of S300 clone missile defense and CWIS? Your best chances are from the ground which will have the most successful launches.

>>64224510
If that were true then the second biggest population in the world would all be hapas. But the Han in particular are one of the biggest and most genetically homogenous groups on Earth. You wyte boys can have the scraps but she'll leave you for Tyrone, you're not the first.

>>64222602
The claim that Iraq’s air defense systems were not outdated and that US SEAD aircraft were based on 1970s aircraft is untrue and overlooks the fact that the US aircraft flown during the Iraq war were heavily upgraded ever since they were introduced. Iraq’s air defense relied on Vietnam-era systems, such as the SA-2, SA-3, and SA-6, which were already outdated by the Gulf War. These systems lacked the advanced radar, targeting, and guidance needed to counter modern US aircraft, which featured Data Link, EW, and BVR combat capabilities. Iraq’s few modern systems, like the SA-10 and SA-15, were limited. Plus, most of Iraq's Air Force consisted of MiG-21 and MiG-23, which the US had plenty of experience dealing with.

In contrast, the US had modernized/upgraded aircraft from the 1970s, including the F-16, F/A-18, and F-117, all equipped with advanced avionics, radars, ECMs, and precision munitions. Also, the US's success was partly due to the use of dedicated EW aircraft, such as the EA-6B Prowler and later on, the EA-18G Growler, both equipped with various jamming systems. These aircraft were the first of their kind and basically no adversary knew how to deal with them.

Naturally, China has more room for growth compared to the US in this situation. Similar to how China’s loss in the Sino-Vietnamese war prompted a complete overhaul and modernization of their military, the Chinese recognized a flaw in its EW capabilities, and are working to address. Additionally, your argument falls apart when you consider that the US has mainly been gathering data related to countering Russian weaponry, not Chinese arms, from data provided by Ukrainians. Meanwhile, China has been receiving information from Russia about NATO and US weapons. The US won't fully understand what to expect from the Chinese military until they directly engage or would need to collect data from a conflict where Chinese weapons were deployed against US systems.

>>64224643
Nice AI slop you retard

>>64224641
>genetically homogenous
ror
rmao

>>64224643
from content alone never mind style I can tell that this is AI slop

>>64224641
>You wyte boys can have the scraps
your top shelf gook women literally go for the scrawniest, nerdy looking incel whitties, colloquially mocked as tiny timmies. tf you yapping dicklet gook?

>>64214775
>muh Roman Empire heritage
Anon... the marble columns? Eagles everywhere? The very word Empire and everything it stands (or rather stood) for?
What do you think was going on?

>>64224666
Begone Satan
Not the same and you know it

>>64214775
So am I and this guy gets it

>>64224674
Western imperialism was literally entirely based around Rome LARP anon, its in the name

>>64224674
>So am I and this guy gets it
how do chinese mainlanders cope with this >>64224510 sort of information?

>>64224674
>>64224702
To add, say for example the Ottoman Empire, it was only called such in the 20th century, because despite being what we call an empire it was not at all considered a successor to Rome by European powers, and was called the (sublime) Ottoman or Turkish State
The distinction mattered because being an Empire meant you claimed to be the inheritor of Rome

>>64224705
They don't, that's why their TFR is about to go under 1.

>>64214280
>Maybe they did and haven't said.
probably this and if any other country noticed they won't tell either

>>64224705
>how do chinese mainlanders cope
The same way everyone around the world used to cope before liberal Americans invented PTSD, therapy, and trigger warnings: keep calm and carry on. Live frugally, save money, give it to your kid(s), and hopefully the generational wealth snowballs someday into enough money to do something with it

Oh and keep your ear to the ground for opportunities. How else would my great great grandparents have thought of sailing away to London and San Francisco to find work and a hopefully better life?
Also funfact, these people who left the homeland would be regarded as dead, essentially. Which would have been the fate of many of them frankly.

Shit is probably all rigged to blow even now. Chang's won't do shit until they have comparable fabs

>>64224752
>these people who left the homeland would be regarded as dead
That's a little less true for both Cantonese in general but Wenzhou in particular.
The latter made a culture out of moving to economic hotspots, starting businesses and staying in touch with the home town to import goods, wives and cousins while sending back money and technology.

>>64223849
>The magic phrase is "combined arms"
which you chinks suck harder dick at then vatnikstan. taiwan is going to have a field day slaughtering your exposed retarded asses in the seas

>>64224752
>How else would my great great grandparents have thought of sailing away to London and San Francisco to find work and a hopefully better life?
you're still gooks though and you constantly get cucked by white men, especially in the bay area or seattle. Doesn't sound like 'livin a good life' to me. lol

>>64224641
besides everyone else thats dunked on you, the only thing ill add is you have a surplus of millions of young men and have to resort to kidnapping brides from khazakstan

>>64218719
come and take it

>>64214296
>That section of China near Taiwan has some of the most dense and advanced AA systems on the planet

they said that about iraq too lmao

>>64224775
Not for faraway places like US and UK, around the turn of the century
We're talking 1900s here. Send money back? Not that distance, in those days.

Lots of entries in our genealogies (which the goddamn Commies fucking destroyed) simply ended with "X sailed overseas to seek their fortune".

>>64214192 (OP)
Getting to deny it to everyone while being able to blame it on the US is a win for them, if less of one than them getting to keep it intact.

>>64224462
>To be fair, Trump does the same thing constantly
Has nothing to do with anything. This is actually a prime example of why we should tell you people to fuck off.
>Do you want
I want you and every other foreign retard to shut the fuck up, mind your business, and stop trying to lecture us about things you don't understand.

>>64224643
>Additionally, your argument falls apart when you consider that the US has mainly been gathering data related to countering Russian weaponry, not Chinese arms, from data provided by Ukrainians
Lol
LMAO
I realize this is an AI regurgitating random conjecture. But the USN has been doing structured SIGINT trawling on the Chinese for 70 years and we ain't stopping now. It's not like the Chinks don't constantly have discipline problems and "accidentally" RADAR paint and/or try to jam our planes, our ships, the Pinoys', the Singaporeans', and the Taiwanese on the open ocean either. They literally can't help themselves.
>t. had to go to battle stations four times in one night because some dumb fuck Chink captain thought it'd be clever to keep turning on the targeting RADAR on one of our escort Burkes while we had a Prowler and a Hawkeye orbiting him and a Los Angles in his baffles.
>Mate we're just here to fuck with the norks, untwist your dick

>>64225656
>It's not like the Chinks don't constantly have discipline problems and "accidentally" RADAR paint and/or try to jam our planes, our ships, the Pinoys', the Singaporeans', and the Taiwanese on the open ocean either. They literally can't help themselves.
LMAO

>>64214280
It's possible but that one guy in Missouri who saw the B-2s flying east out of Whiteman didn't mention B-21s

>>64225413
>Has nothing to do with anything. This is actually a prime example of why we should tell you people to fuck off.
>I want you and every other foreign retard to shut the fuck up, mind your business, and stop trying to lecture us about things you don't understand.
Gosh.

I was saying something about being able to better understand a threat by staying objective and not getting caught up in your cultural perspective. I kinda don't think you're thinking on that level yet.

>>64225126
>they said that about iraq too lmao
iraq had short to medium range sams from the vietnam war era, at a time when the soviet union already fielded the s300 en masse.

>>64226315
Your opinions are not useful or insightful.

>>64226502
NOU

>>64224455
So this is not your first time attempting to spread Chinese influence and getting called out?

>>64222339
>You're retarded if you think the Chinese didn't study and reflect on that failure.
The chinese absolutely do not study and reflect on their failures. That is the fundamental reason they are not on top despite having a fuckhuge population and millennia of hegemony over their neighbors. They do not fucking learn.

>>64226658
they're good at copying shit thoughever

>>64226658
No wonder it's so difficult for them to do things on their own

>>64214296
Based, got the US shills riled up with this one lmao

>>64228423
This comment genuinely doesn't make any sense. 'Based', what? They made an assertive statement with no substance worth discussion while the replies below it spawned actual discourse with facts and analyses. Why is everything so binary to you chinkshills?

friendly reminder that opinions of dicklets don't matter.

>>64214296
>>64228423
>the least subtle samefagging of the board

>>64214296
Now get this, if anyone recalls that Armatard during one of his spergouts used to make nearly identical comments about the B2 are getting tracked by China. He would almost as often pretended to be an innocent bystander or a Chinese where the situation suited the deceptions.

>>64214192 (OP)
They're not going after Taiwan because of TSMC.
TSMC is just an excuse for the US to abandon Taiwan.

>>64218719
This is a massively exaggerated infographic, the most farmland chinese nationals have ever owned was 380,000 acres compared to the total 880,000,000 acres in the US and that's only counting farm land. That's only like 0.04%, you would even be able to see it on that map at that scale.

>>64214296
Implessive

Does it work?
>Couldn't even find pelosi

>>64224455
>cromulent

Confirmed ESL. No native English speaker actually uses the word cromulent in regular conversation lol.

>>64230077
Checked. Using a word made up by the Simpsons while trying to sound like a schooled posh cunt is such a giveaway.

>>64230091
Have you considered that I really am a schooled posh cunt that's the right age to make one of the most obvious Simpson's references in their body of work?

>>64230289
you're talking to a bunch of low iq, southern inbreds anon. Don't think you're going to gain much from that

>>64230634
>a bunch of low iq, southern inbreds
I think one of them is a north-eastern Australian inbred but aside from that, I take your point.

>>64230039
tfw the biggest private ranch has triple the area of all that

>>64230634
>low iq, southern inbreds
this is bait

>>64214280
I'd bet money we are going to see the first few dozen B21 strikes deliberately miscredited to B2s in order to obfuscate its capability and readiness

>>64216677
They hated him because he told the truth.

>>64216677
Would never work in the US, sorry brownoid

The US military actually has drone defenses and is not drink around the clock.

>>64223151
You are basically repeating what the russians said prior to getting wrecked in Ukraine
Tiawans IADS is not just going to sit out in the open waiting to get hit any more than Ukraine's did

>>64232884
You know they've run out of ideas when you bring up a single variable that veers off their script and they start bargaining with you 'bro believe me bro'

>>64224702
The only "european" empires that have ever claimed to be a actual continuation of Rome were the Ottomans and the Russians, neither whom are actually European

>>64222339
you will never have a real cock chinkoid
kys

>>64224597
Missiles aren't the only weapon available. Air strikes are available round the clock, as is artillery. The OPFOR won't stand idly by, they'll get sniped from long range by PL15s, hypersonics, and other goodies. And you won't need to bother hiding missiles inside a bay when anything that can shoot it down is long destroyed but that can still be done. And all that just for the island to get swarmed by a 10 million man army and even more drones. Combined harms. A full salvo upon ye

>>64224651
Mutts have no leg to stand on (they have paws)

>>64224664
>>64225072
>he believes himself too
Mutts Law. Many such cases!

Friendly reminder that minorities have no authority

>>64216931
Good thing that changes nothing about B2s being easily spotted

>>64224808
And white men get cucked by blacks, your point?