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Anonymous No.64215764 >>64215778 >>64215823 >>64217733 >>64217918 >>64219835
>M2 can be used to shootdown a cruise missile
Could you use it to shoot down a JDAM?
Anonymous No.64215776
Anonymous No.64215778 >>64215786 >>64215870
>>64215764 (OP)
How many times are you gonna post that video? it was a missile, the M2 was just shooting at the same time.
Anonymous No.64215786
>>64215778
Anonymous No.64215823 >>64220338
>>64215764 (OP)
Erry now and then the universe and volume of fire smile upon the humble improvised aa gunner
Anonymous No.64215870
>>64215778
>Nooo not my heckin missiles wunderwaffee getting shoot down by flak nein nein nein
Anonymous No.64217733 >>64217737
>>64215764 (OP)
Has any defense contractor tried to come up with a small radar guided aiming system that bolts up to a bog standard m2 yet?
Anonymous No.64217737 >>64217750
>>64217733
CROWS already has done this for 20 years
Anonymous No.64217750 >>64217805
>>64217737
It has radar that can track targets?
Anonymous No.64217805 >>64217820
>>64217750
NTA and idk about RADAR on CROWS, but CROWS is an example of the thing you're asking about. Basically it turns out that a "cheap integrated FCS and turret for a crew served weapon" is still a dozen times the cost of the crew served weapon.
Anonymous No.64217820 >>64217936 >>64219865
>>64217805
I looked it up and it didn't have any radar, just a fire control system that let's you designate/detect targets and track them, and then it provides ballistic compensation. I was thinking more along the lines of something even smaller than crows. Like just a radome, a computer, and a sight that tells you where to aim. And yeah I'm sure it would still be expensive.
Anonymous No.64217918 >>64223690
>>64215764 (OP)
No, the bomb casing is too thick.
Anonymous No.64217936 >>64217951
>>64217820
Oh, that's different and you lucked out that I replied. I designed a system basically as you describe (less radar, more on that in a second) about 10 years ago. You are thinking slightly too small. The sensor and FCS solution don't need to be part of the package on the weapon mount, and shouldn't be. What you want is a distributed fires net, where the weapon assembly just has a sighting system that allows it to be fired on the provided solution in near real time, and then different FCSs can give it solutions without limiting it to the single sensor you would otherwise package it with. Ie the solution is a new kind of distributed real time fires net (the buzzword at the time was sensor-shooter fusion).

The key things the weapon mount needs to be able to do are (in near real time) receive and display the firing solution relative to weapon bearing, provide its position to an FCS (not real time if static), mount to the weapon and retain zero.

A ghetto solution is a rugged smartphone with a decent mount. Cost per unit is a few thousand at the ghetto level. The minimum componentry required on the weapon end for mobile/dynamic tasking is a mount, gyro, gps/ins, display, rx/tx, power, inputs. For static, omit gps/ins and tx.
Anonymous No.64217951 >>64219680
>>64217936
Tldr
If you made AEGIS today from scratch, you could do it pretty cheap and portable, and use an open architecture that would let you integrate it on practically anything that shoots, and it would replace AFATDS as well.

I'm not saying it's trivial, but it's exceptionally doable.
Anonymous No.64219680 >>64219704
>>64217951
>AFATDS
ukies have a literal phone app that does all that
Anonymous No.64219704 >>64219708
>>64219680
Not in near real time that can be used as a weapon sight. It's the AFATDS part of this, not the Aegis part that the other anon was asking about.
Anonymous No.64219708 >>64219972
>>64219704
>Not in near real time
yes in near real time and yes you can mount your phone onto a mortar barrel or whatever, plug in the necessary data about your tube, charge and projectile and bob's your uncle
Anonymous No.64219742 >>64219750
can one volunteer specifically to camp on the outskirts of a city with a buddy and a technical?
Anonymous No.64219750 >>64219755
>>64219742
>can one volunteer specifically to camp on the outskirts of a city with a buddy and a technical?
You can directly join air defence battalions.
You might not get the exact MOS you want though.
Anonymous No.64219755
>>64219750
I just wanna do some armed camping. Shooting at incoming missiles while not really being a target yourself sounds fun.
Anonymous No.64219817
>Take a good thermal camera
>Point it at likely enemy aircraft approach
>Attach laser range finder+speed finder becauze radar is a wunderwaffe and can be countered by ARM or jammed and sucks for bombs and drones which will shine at the background of the sun expecialy the fast moving ones
>Make it emit a sound telling everyone to move to cover
Put it on a 30mm autocannon and it should make for a decent point defense system.
Anonymous No.64219835 >>64219851
>>64215764 (OP)

That cruise missile was shot down by something else while the m2 was firing on it. A cruise missile does like 280-300 meters per second at low altitude, and lets say a bullet flight time of 0.5 seconds means that you have to aim 140-150 meters in front of it. Achieving that with manual aiming is basically impossible meaning that barrage fire is the only "workable" solution.
Anonymous No.64219851 >>64219884 >>64219885
>>64219835
Its slower than a piston prop fighter and plenty of those were shot down with M2s in the second world war
Anonymous No.64219865 >>64223709
>>64217820
>a radome, a computer, and a sight that tells you where to aim
Why not just have it fucking aim and shoot at that point?
Anonymous No.64219884
>>64219851
>300 m/s
>slower than a piston fighter
>also, ignores the RELATIVE speed
Kys dipshit.
Anonymous No.64219885 >>64219938
>>64219851
300m/s is transonic speed, those hit by M2 weren't even close.
Anonymous No.64219938
>>64219885
kalibrs have a cruise speed of mach 0.8, thats 280m/s. lets say its flying at a very low altitude, so air resistance is higher and it has only mach 0.6 thats just 205m/s. doable with a heavy machine gun.
Anonymous No.64219972 >>64220036
>>64219708
Mate, that's not "near real time" in a conversation about electronics or computers (or anti-air targetting). In the context of everything about this conversation, "near real time" means close enough to real time that an end user can't normally tell the difference - it means being able to use a smartphone to shoot down a manouevring UAS or cruise missile based on a continuously updated track and firing solution generated by another machine that's hooked into a radar or IRST or similar.

Again, it means AEGIS, not AFATDS.
Anonymous No.64220036 >>64220075 >>64220144
>>64219972
in the context of shooting down drones,
>IRST is useless for search
>radar must be airborne
>lag and jamming will fucking kill your fancy network dead before the enemy even launches anything at you
Anonymous No.64220053 >>64220124 >>64223417
retvrn
Anonymous No.64220075 >>64220107
>>64220036
>>IRST is useless for search
?? it can see a jet exhaust from 80 miles away if the weather allows it and doesnt care about radar stealth. how is that useless?
Anonymous No.64220107
>>64220075
>it can see a jet exhaust from 80 miles away
in a pitifully small solid angle
also most drones don't have jet engines
Anonymous No.64220124
>>64220053
I'd DD that they come up for sale occasionally but mostly not in my country.

OT airsoft 50s in a quad turret in the street.
Anonymous No.64220144 >>64220176 >>64220357
>>64220036
Ok buddy, thanks for your input. I'm glad you know so much and saved me all the time I invested actually doing this 10 years ago.
Anonymous No.64220176 >>64220294
>>64220144
10 years ago nobody was using kitbash wire-guided drones to kill tenks
you don't know what the fuck you're talking about, but you think you do
Anonymous No.64220294 >>64220396
>>64220176
Ok, thanks for your input buddy, glad you know so much about my work.
Anonymous No.64220338
>>64215823
And John Moses Browning smiles down from heaven.
Anonymous No.64220357
>>64220144
EE anon here, I understand you pal.
That's wicked sick, but what happened to marketization?
Did your product sell?
Anonymous No.64220396 >>64223375
>>64220294
I know enough about you after you suggested that you're going to use IRST to search for objects maybe half a meter on their longest side that are maybe 30 degrees above ambient in some points, flying below treetops
good luck, faggot
Anonymous No.64223375
>>64220396
>you suggested that you're going to use IRST to search for objects maybe half a meter on their longest side that are maybe 30 degrees above ambient in some points
I didn't.
Anonymous No.64223417 >>64226660
>>64220053
Honestly just stick a radar and a fire computer on one of these. Also 100% tracers just because.
Anonymous No.64223690 >>64224474
>>64217918
Depends on the ammo being used, the US has rounds that will absolutely go through a MK80 seriesโ€™ casing all day
Anonymous No.64223709
>>64219865
I mean sure it could, my whole idea was for it to be very compact and lightweight
Anonymous No.64224474
>>64223690
>rounds that will absolutely go through a MK80 seriesโ€™ casing all day
They're only supposed to do it once, is this some batman thing where the round zips back and through the bomb casing like a .22 in a skull?
Anonymous No.64226660
>>64223417
Can we get alternating colors?