Thread 64219313

Why are nation states like russia china israel or india wasting resources and personel to try and demoralize incels on the basket waving forum?

>>64219313 (OP)
Complete Media Saturation?

>>64219313 (OP)
Because it's working?
Cheeto man and MAGA are a thing.

>>64219313 (OP)
The UK has shills here and it couldn’t be less subtle

Propaganda costs have plummeted to near zero thanks to jeet troll farms and AI that helps them generate Propaganda slop for free with perfect english

>>64219313 (OP)
at this point, i feel like theres groups of people going
>dude, trust me! i HAVE to shill on the site! i'll fit in perfectly, they'll never notice i'm not one of them!
>to post ab-uh i mean, to blend in with the enemy! see? its very important research, i'll have you know

>>64219313 (OP)
The potus is a Russian asset now so it worked wonderfully for them

>>64219334
I dont think trump is truly an ally of putin, i think trump is just a naive idiot who's getting manipulated left and right. That's why his stance changes every three days, he realizes he fucked up only to get bamboozled and do it again. This guy has absolutely no clue on how to be a head of state, despite 10 years of experience so far.

>>64219313 (OP)
>wasting resources and personel to try and demoralize incels on the basket waving forum?
I think it's the other way around. Look at the insane amount of anit-chink, anti-jeet, anti-ruzzian threads, generals, porn that is circulating. /gif/ literally has several threads on BWC, white colonizer, WMXF(X=A,M,I,L,...) bredding threads. lol

>>64219363
>bredding
breeding*

>>64219351
>I dont think trump is truly an ally of putin, i think trump is just a naive idiot who's getting manipulated left and right
A distinction without a difference. As long as he easily fall for their manipulation, their manipulative tactics are their most effective method, especially because said naive idiot wouldn't be in the position of power he holds if a huge chunk of the electorate wasn't manipulated as well

>>64219313 (OP)
TLDR:
>Flood social spaces with destabilizing nonsensensical lies
>People start discussing your destabilizing nonsensical lies
>Some retards will believe your destabilizing nonsensical lies
>Most will try to debunk your destabilizing nonsensical lies
>Important thing is they're all busy with your destabilizing nonsensical lies instead of abject reality
>Now everyone'a acting retarded over make belief problems

>>64219363
>why would a site that's mostly single white men have a porn tread on a porn board about white guys fucking women from other races
gee, I wonder why

>>64219394
4cuck is now a pajeet-Latino doninated hellhole of an image board. Whites are becoming a minority even here

>>64219375
The hope is that, as chads ignoring the pointless chatter step back and announce, "follow me guys we're [saving townsville]" social circles based in faith & natural affinity will emerge. They'll have psychological immunity to the psyops.
There won't even be effort or time wasted on deboooonking. Just an intuitive or tacit cooperation on a communal relation that seems obvious, natural.

>>64219313 (OP)
my handler says he's just doing it because it's funny, this isn't actually his job he's just paying me out of his government salary

>>64219313 (OP)
>Why are nation states like russia china israel or india wasting resources and personel to try and demoralize incels on the basket waving forum?
It's a proving ground. Subjects can be tried out for traction and effective arguments rehearsed.

Carol Cadwalladr, a bong journo, has done a lot of good work on this subject. I'd encourage anybody to check out her stuff.

>>64219445
Do you remember the "Kill All Normies" research paper from ~2018?

>>64219313 (OP)
They are satanic countries

literal holhol, nafo tanny shills itt. LMAO

>>64219414
>"follow me guys we're [saving townsville]"
Dog bless em.

>>64219313 (OP)
Because it does actually allow them effect culture and policy in foreign countries to a degree. Results vary obviously, but there have been times where it's worked mostly as intended.

>>64219445
Any pointers where to begin?

Sometimes (mostly) it's not so much as to convince me or you to become semen slurping vatniks as that's just not gonna happen.
>>64219375
Has it right really, cause confusion and uncertainty, possibly delay responses (which requires an advanced stage of confusion&/uncertainty and it having seeped well into official institutions), flood the information space with nonsense so it is harder to find the truth.

That sort of thing. Of course some people are genuinely retarded chuds and will believe it.

>>64219528
lol, the whorewhore tranny exposes itself for what it is

>>64219326
>>64219514

>>64219313 (OP)
It works tho.
US patriot perceived as a retard in US
Russian patriot perceived as a upstanding citizen in Russia
Propaganda is stronger weapon than your whole military

>>64219313 (OP)
>Why are nation states like russia china israel or india wasting resources and personel to try and demoralize incels on the basket waving forum?
Russia uses it as part of broader campaigns to incite riots and social unrest at key junctures in their strategic campaigns, like the 2014 Ferguson unrest in America when they went into Crimea. BLM was mistimed due to covid and meant to ramp up that effort for invasion of Ukraine, in that case they used people in Ghana who represented themselves as African Americans. They actively seek out and groom spree shooters and nuts to carry out attacks on infrastructure in NATO countries, such as our e.g pro Kremlin moleman and his threats to attack Canadian power infrastructure

Their their efforts target alienated and dienfrachised groups including veterans using either extreme left or right online hotspots to amplify messaging.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Active_Club_Network

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patriotic_Alliance

They are just as keen on targetting far left nuts, They don't care what variety of idiot as long as they are useful. Their embassises have set up facebook groups larping as airsoft clubs in the US to try and pick up samples of e.g NV gear that has leaked out of the military and into the hands of airsoft milsim.

Ramped up in 2010 the Russsians focused on conspiracy sites as conspiracy subversion has been one of their key methods and skitzos are ideal targets since JFK places like GLP, ATS, /pol/. They can measure the spread of their influence programatically by inserting key phrases or images. Generally
1)Hate your government/Police
2)Hate NATO
3)Extremist divisions riots, shootings, race, religion
4)Incite Xenophobia and antagonism within NATO
5)Discourage purchase of NATO suplliers weapon systems and sow FUD around them
6)Propaganda around the supremacy of Russia weapons
7)Incite riots and propgandise for quisling poltical parties and influence elections for their kremlin traitors

>>64219414
Anon the most religious and faith motivated people are often the most fervent consumers of propoganda. They already believe in one big scam, so they make excellent marks for other big scams like the MAGA movement. Too many fundamentalist christians are willingly blind to the president's moral failures and continue to see him as God's man in the oval office.

every country has internet propaganda machines. between ai and the exponentially increasing number of thirdies online every day it's only going to get worse.

>>64219549
Your spelling and grammar tells me you're not an American.

Christ, even this thread has posts trying to deflect attention from russian spamming efforts on 4chan and elsewhere.

Russian psyops you may recognise
1)Immgration as hybrid warfare, they run vast human trafficing networks into the US and EU and place quisling parties and candidates as anti immigrantion
2)Qanon, a functional test of reach
3)Occupy
4)Watts riots
5)Assination of MLK
6)JFK conspiracies
7)Yellow vests in France
8)Hard Brexit
9)Fico/Orban
10)Miners strikes in the UK in the 1970s
11)Anti EU amplification
12)Campaign to discourage F35 purchases by Australia and Canada
13)Trying to incite vandalism of electrical infrastructure
14)Boog
15)Civil war 2.0
16)US state seperatism
As an example the office for Californian independence was run out of Msocow, Texas Independence and Nate smith are close to the kremlin, they were big in to Golden Dawn, Afd, the BNP's nick griffin, LePen as well as the usual rat back of formerly kremlin funded national commuist paries and their associated academics and jounalists.

/pol/ was owned by the massively until relatively recently as were many boards on 4chan. One of the Russian games in targetting isolated and 24/7 online skitzos is that once they get one, they work 24/7 on messaging. You will see sites like zero hedge that are conspicously in line with Russian foreign policy. It used be pretty easy to watch their activity as the same topics with the same theme of the day and the same phraseology would appear on muliple sites near simulateously often linked to media artiles seeded by their people or bogus but plausible looking content hosts.

They have an extensive expatriate network based on decendents of NKVD members in every continent who assist by working full time e.g creating imagebanks or hosting relays for the VPN they use to hop flag. Snowden brought them knowledge on how to deal with appearing as multiple people in one thread on /pol/ or in newspaper comments sections, including semi automating the personalities. A lot of this was done under concorde group nominally the catering commpany run by the Yevgeny Prigozhin.

>>64219571
And that is quite deliberate too. Have a nice day, your spellchecker spies on you.

>>64219542
That's not true, Russians are massively cynical and being seen as 'patriotic' would just ring as lethally gullible and naive to them.

>>64219589
That was the case 20 years ago, not now

>>64219583
17)Polish truckers strike
18)Caadaian truckers protest
19)Campaign against the Los Angeles Summer Olympics
20)Black Panthers/KKK
etc

>>64219583
It's really not that deep and they aren't all that good at doing it secretly. They clumsily exploit big, obvious fault lines like racism, usually get immediately caught, but since the problems are always pre existing not much changes.

The anti-eu freaks don't vanish in a puff of logic just because there is a lot of video of them getting a suitcase full of rubles. Nobody is confused about why Ed Snowden isn't very interested in finding the gun cam videos from Russian helicopters in Syria and Ukraine.

>>64219608
All true, they are very good at latching onto genuine issues some times entirely unrelated to Russia foreign policiy and copting them by blue smurfing them (establishing control of administration via blackmail, bribery or threats) and they made serious efforts to try and contol e.g anti Abortion movements. If they see an issue they will jump on it but racial divsions in teh USA have been their speciality since the cold war and MLK, peak oil,collapology and subevrting he prepper movement were steered towards civil war 2.0 for example. US balanisation is another

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dmitry_Orlov_(writer)

"From his new home in the rural Karelia region of the Russian Federation, Dmitry Orlov has clearly allied himself with Russian President Vladimir Putin, including supporting the 2022 invasion of Ukraine and repeating state media explanations of the situation in Ukraine, arguing that it is a "Special Military Operation" and not a war, and proclaiming the honesty and success of its stated purpose of "demilitarization and denazification""

They also have used it to simply make cash as with the silver pumping to benifit some Russian oligachs in 2011 and silver sacking including stuff like max keiser

Yes it is crude but it works. On useful 'idiots'

>>64219514
>literal holhol, nafo tanny shills itt. LMAO
fuck off

>>64219626
We see you. This is why we want you dead now. You did more harm to Russia than anywhere else by the way. You owe us blood for inciting and baking marxist terrorists. Pay it, hopefully yours.

>>64219632
>We see you. This is why we want you dead now. You did more harm to Russia than anywhere else by the way. You owe us blood for inciting and baking marxist terrorists. Pay it, hopefully yours.
cry about it

>>64219414
When you have fragmented the enemy society to such an extent it's a victory.

>>64219351
>ive idiot who's getting manipulated left and
He's not naive he's just a grifter and owed Putin money.

>>64219635
will no one shed a tear for poor glavset vrats facing budget cuts and draft papers.
No. Here is too their deaths and without them the internet and many nations would be much more plesent.and reasoned. They currently use India as a media proxy since RT got booted out of the EU and UK, particularly on youtube and they also influenced India massively during the cold war, primarily to sell arms

Actual cancer and poison most lethal to those who consume it and intentionally so.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_Imperial_Movement

>>64219643
They blue smufted for news some time ago, it's a nest of Rusisan assets and many of them are standing next or close to the Trump administration

>>64219313 (OP)
Might be a schok to you, but there are people with different opinions to you. On Ukraine, parties like AfD and Rassemblement national poll at like a third of voters. They dont like Ukraine. So its reasonable to say at least a third of people in the West don't care for Ukraine (I mean look at Trump). Is that the result of Russian propaganda? Kind of a chicken or egg question. Some of it probably, some of it for other reasons. Like JD Vance's stated reason of not wanting to spend money on it.

>>64219514
>reddit frog poster is pro russian
a surprise to no one

Russia pre invasion of Ukraine spent more on this shit than ecucation and healthcare combined, they leech off their own people like bloodsuckers

>>64219651
People don't vote AfD because of them being pro Russia.
People vote AfD because they're the only party that advocates for the interests of their ethnic group.

All the other parties are against the interests of the main ethnic group in Germany, Germans.

>>64219654
I laughed when the SBU managed to take out the FSB faggot who was the head of their propaganda department. It turns out words can break your bones, or in this case, get you blown up

>>64219651
>AfD
Wehen teh Afd was established as a fundraised on an anti euro hard currency theme they sold gold to emembers. That gold was supplied by the kremlin

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/italy-blames-surge-migration-russias-wagner-group-2023-03-13/

"Italy blames surge in migration on Russia's Wagner group"

""I think it is now safe to say that the exponential increase in the migratory phenomenon departing from African shores is also, to a not insignificant extent, part of a clear strategy of hybrid warfare that the Wagner division is implementing, using its considerable weight in some African countries," Defence Minister Guido Crosetto said in a statement."

They also have quite a network to incite mass immigration form India at present levegaging their solid foothold there including agencies arranging fake student visas. Many Russian operations related to mass immigration are self funding via trafficing fees.

They have a bid hand in the cocaine trade in teh EU as well as they discovered during the baader meinhof era that the drug underwold opens up smuggling and forged idenity paper networks as well as potential safe houses and connections with organised crime.

>>64219664
>they got the 155th commander too on the same day
jesus can that unit EVER stop taking Ls?

>>64219651
THink harder about what is being said here. Only a fool wants mass immigration into their nation. It is how that issue is used and amplified and the choice put in fornt of you that are steered, If you don;t understand what is being said here get off the intenet because you are not smart enough to come into contact with this material and know it when you see it. You assume uyou have a different opinion to me on e,g immigration because you are shaped into a polarise and us them mentality. You did it to yourself and picked up the kool aid.

>>64219668
they're going to take an even bigger one soon, they got sent to Pokrovsk in an attempt to capture it, and you'll never believe who's the commanding officer either. It's the retard who was responsible for getting them mulched at Vuhledar previously.

>>64219651
>They dont like Ukraine
How convenient. But Russia is fine?

>>64219670
Dunning-Kruger specimens like the guy you're talking to react poorly to being told they're wrong anyway. Though, it shouldn't stop a body from trying to get it into their thick skulls that they've all been played for fools.

>>64219660
>People don't vote AfD because of them being pro Russia.
>People vote AfD because they're the only party that advocates for the interests of their ethnic group.
>All the other parties are against the interests of the main ethnic group in Germany, Germans.
Are you just tryingt o demonstrate you are stupid and an educational failure

Read. At the moment you are just slop in a bucket for the kremlin
>>64219670
>>64219666

>Dunning-Kruger
Why has this become such an overused buzzword online in recent times?

The expatriate networks run by their embassies are up their necks in this shit by the way. Their members should be interned or deported

I want to give a small european perspective on the matter. It is very obvious they catch people by spamming emotional topics and then sink their hooks in when some loser engages.
I have seen this happen in this central european country with several people, they were often unfocused, creative kind of people, all 4 of them were weed smokers, they got caught by their respective weaknessess (Didnt like EU, 2 Serbs, Didnt like Christianity bcuz childhood trauma) and then it got amplified and slowly shifted to pure pro-russian stances - but also pro-chinese stances.
I knew something was wrong 13 years ago, when my auto mecahnic cousin from bumfuck alabama (eu version) suddenly blurted out that "Pussy Riot are Satanists" when we watched Harold and Kumar.
I only wish I could have profited from me realizing whats happening much sooner than many.

>>64219671
>It's the retard who was responsible for getting them mulched at Vuhledar previously.
fucking lmao
Honestly, they've got to be setting records for how many times a unit has been completely wiped in combat and reconstituted. What is it, like 6 times now?

>>64219681
All the other parties openly declare that nationalism, pride in Germany etc. are the greatest sins possible because of the nazis or whatever.
AfD is the only party to go against and publicly advicate for the interests of ethnic Germans.
It is natural that a significant portion of Germans are not self hating and would like to vote according to the interests of themselves, their family, their community, and their nation.

>>64219696
That's the script

>>64219676
He's not wrong about not liking mass immigration, he's wrong for blankinig out the real reason it went exponential in the last decade due to Russia amping it for hybrid warfare (inlcuding their left wing quislings advocating for it) and how quisling parties are positioned to absorb his vote. Quisling parties who's foreign policy agendas align perfectly with those of the kremlin. The govermnets of Finaland, Sweden, Poland, Italy, the EU comission have all said that the Russians have been funneling mass immigration into the EU (and NATO) nations for a decade. He dioes not want to hear that, he just wnats the browns gone. There is the ,ovely qusling party shouting about his and they gett his vote, same shit with Marianne LePens bank loans being guarenteed by moscow after France deceided not to send Russia the two mistral cloass amphibous assault ships that we now know would have been used against odessa. Meanwhile they are funneling africans into Paris over the mediterranean and self funding themselves doing it. Assad was fully part of this as well, he issued passports en mass as long as they were from opposition areas and heading to Europe. Win Win he got them gone and it helped the Russian strategy

>>64219696
OK at this point you are just a fucking moron who can't read. The burden to Germany is in the end of the day is (you).

>>64219681
Muh Russia is not a primary concern for most voters in Europe. Its up there, but thats not why anyone is voting for anything. Economy, housing and migration top the list for everyone. You are just a schizoid obsessed with Russia. Or Ukraine. Or whichever.

No one ever mentions that mass immigration ov er teh southern US border is via Russian proxy states allowing visa free entry for onward travel in the US media. The state of jounalism there days is appaling and the Russians always like to blackmail deputy editors for when they need to make a request

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nE9R8QQ1IeI

>>64219705
You really are thick as dried shit. The kremlin literally finances these parties covertly or overtly, their preferred method was gold bullion years ago or forged cash

>>64219699
It's the truth. Mainstream western politics, both left and right, are all ideologically anti-white. This is justified by being anti-racist because only white people are capable of rasism. It's basically self hatred borne out of ideological subversion.

Some people see this as bullshit and as a result there is discontent with the mainstream politics. Obviously for Russia this is a political opportunity because anti-Russia is a mainstream opinion. Russians can further stoke the fire by flooding countries with rapefugees which brings even more popularity to the non mainstream parties because the mainstream parties are ideologically obliged to just take them in because of muh human rights even though clear evidence shows them to be incredibly harmful.

>>64219705
>You are just a schizoid obsessed with Russia.
Russia sabotaged infrastructure in Europe, attempted to assassinate European CEOs, produced and distributed a propaganda video of a german family freezing, threatens Europe with nuclear annhilation on a monthly basis, undermines and influences our Elections, spams social media with their propaganda in a subversive and inauthenthic way (fake profiles and AI slop), and openly proclaims they wanna go all the way to Paris.

Russia is my enemy.

>>64219715
Look at you stuill spouting shit while utterly failing to comprehend anything being said in this thread. To be this willing stupid is inane. Or are you just sitting in a cubicle in St.Petersbeg and taking a break from /pol/?

>>64219717
And so are the political elites that are doing everything in their power to replace you with brown people. Current Western ideology is an ideology of suicide and self destruction. It is already subverted. That's why it's so hard to unify against Russia.

>russians sending syrians through ngos and belarus and then inflaming tensions
Kgb playbook, like the old youre lyinching negros psyop