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Anonymous No.64219685 >>64219691 >>64219731 >>64219786 >>64219794 >>64219810 >>64219830 >>64219844 >>64219845 >>64219945 >>64219971 >>64219974 >>64219991 >>64220205 >>64220417 >>64220546 >>64220589 >>64220635 >>64220886 >>64220968 >>64223016 >>64223036 >>64224491 >>64224811 >>64225185 >>64225849 >>64225907 >>64226141 >>64226201 >>64226785 >>64227339 >>64227498 >>64228465 >>64228817 >>64231299 >>64232098
>2025
>still using the MP5 as your primary special police weapon
Why are Germans like this?
Anonymous No.64219691 >>64220784
>>64219685 (OP)
>does what it's supposed to do
>iconic
>German
>good
>people facing the barrel still do not wear kevlar vests
Why change?
Anonymous No.64219711
Rule of cool, anon
Anonymous No.64219718
>hardly ever have to shoot anyone
>when you do they're not wearing armor
>it looks cool
yeah
Anonymous No.64219731 >>64230270
>>64219685 (OP)
They looks suspiciously fake or at least not shooting real bullets
Anonymous No.64219786 >>64219810
>>64219685 (OP)
because it works you stupid american, its amazing how even with the 2nd amendment you know nothing about guns and their purpose.
Anonymous No.64219794 >>64220388
>>64219685 (OP)
What would you use?
Anonymous No.64219810
>>64219685 (OP)
Some also use MP7s, sometimes they even use the G36C, it all depends on situation and funding
>>64219786
true
Anonymous No.64219830 >>64219859
>>64219685 (OP)
because no smg or pdw has ever surpassed it.
especially in this configuration
you could fire this in your backyard
Anonymous No.64219844 >>64220410 >>64220633
>>64219685 (OP)
Because there has not been a better performing 9mm submachine gun produced since, there are like 6 gorillion of them, they last forever, have like zero recoil, and are less concussive than SBRs (which is important if you go inside buildings a lot), generations of cops have been trained on their manual of arms, and they still kill motherfuckers dead.
Anonymous No.64219845
>>64219685 (OP)
MP5's are so accurate its practically cheating, decent bit of practice and they're a fucking laser pointer for bullets
Anonymous No.64219859 >>64220381 >>64220546 >>64228286
>>64219830
The straight magazine makes it look kinda goofy. Almost like the UMP.
And why add a 3-burst trigger on a full auto?
Anonymous No.64219945 >>64219958
>>64219685 (OP)
>it
>just
>works
And better than any other smg on the market, so why would they use anything else?
Anonymous No.64219958
>>64219945
It's not optimal on buy rounds in counter strike (where OP learned about this gun) since T can wear armor.
Anonymous No.64219961 >>64219970 >>64219978 >>64222972 >>64225839 >>64229006
Anonymous No.64219970
>>64219961
Anonymous No.64219971
>>64219685 (OP)
Because it's based, home-grown and genuinely a really good choice if they already have inventory of them.
Looks cool, famously reliable, regular 9mm variant is going to be plenty for 99% of situations police are even going to have to fire a weapon in, handling is great for close quarters, and as a bonus it doesn't look quite as imposing and militarised as if they were sitting around with SBRs or full sized rifles, because some places still worry about that kind of thing and wanting police to make people feel safer.
The real question is why wouldn't you use it? They'll have access to heavier weapons if they really need them anyway.
Anonymous No.64219974
>>64219685 (OP)
It just works, OP.
Also reject modernity, embrace tradition.
Anonymous No.64219978 >>64219985 >>64220008 >>64220557 >>64227681
>>64219961
>woman
yeah see no one here is even using the damn things they're just for show.
Anonymous No.64219985
>>64219978
>Police weapon
>Just for show
That's usually what you hope to be the case, yes.
Anonymous No.64219991
>>64219685 (OP)
Terrorists wear suicide vests, not kevlar.
Anonymous No.64220008
>>64219978
Im sure they'll use them on you eventually, anon
Anonymous No.64220205 >>64220355
>>64219685 (OP)
Those pants are suspiciously not tight, are you sure they are German police?
>patches
>ambulance
yes I see those, they could be on loan
Anonymous No.64220355
>>64220205
Yes, there was a school knife attack in Essen today.
>https://www.flz.de/keine-weitere-gefahr-nach-angriff-auf-lehrerin-in-essen/cnt-id-ps-a1b95ac7-2606-4690-a8a3-7fab2a7f00c4
Anonymous No.64220381
>>64219859
Germans
Anonymous No.64220388 >>64225185 >>64225814
>>64219794
Our "SWAT" teams use a SBR.
I remember the 2020 Vienna terrior attack, where a lone gunman with a M70 Zastava was able to suppress large group of Austrian police officers armed with handguns and MP5. There were a lot of twitter videos before EU made them illegal to watch.
>https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_Vienna_attack
Anonymous No.64220410 >>64220740 >>64228793
>>64219844
I've heard cleaning them and maintenance on them is a bitch tho. Is that BS, then?
Anonymous No.64220417
>>64219685 (OP)
it just werks
Anonymous No.64220546 >>64228286
>>64219685 (OP)
whats next you gonna try and harp on usa for sticking with 5.56x45 or slav countries for sticking with 7.62x39 or 5.45x39 ?

>>64219859
mother fuckers love options
Anonymous No.64220557 >>64220907 >>64227681 >>64228797
>>64219978
she probably has more hours and experience with a weapon of that type than you do kiddo.
Anonymous No.64220589 >>64220668 >>64220828 >>64225937 >>64226206
>>64219685 (OP)

This might sound strange to an American, where every podunk police department is bleeding the public white so that they can buy a bunch of shit they will never use, but it's good financial responsibility not to get rid of equipment that is still serviceable just because some salesman handed them the new catalog.

You can't have healthcare but every cop gets an MRAP. USA #1 baby.
Anonymous No.64220595 >>64220625 >>64220665
UK police all seem to use MP7s for some reason
Anonymous No.64220625 >>64220770
>>64220595
Anonymous No.64220633 >>64220662 >>64225951
>>64219844
>senior security administrator and range master for the security contractor at NASA

I know types like this, they act like the greatest badasses around, but i assure you, this man has never fired a shot in anger
Anonymous No.64220635 >>64220649
>>64219685 (OP)

Why is the MP5 no longer an optimal choice for law enforcement in your opinion?
Anonymous No.64220649 >>64223009
>>64220635
Criminals are becoming more resistant to 9mm.
Anonymous No.64220662
>>64220633
How many aliens have you shot? That’s what I thought
Anonymous No.64220665 >>64220756 >>64221040
>>64220595

Coin flip whether this was the result of some misguided concern about the proliferation of body armor or a the result of some kickback scheme.

Cops with MP7s is prima facie evidence of public funds being mismanaged.
Anonymous No.64220668 >>64220675 >>64220751 >>64220939
>>64220589
>every podunk police department is bleeding the public white so that they can buy a bunch of shit they will never use

Except for law enforcement-exclusive pieces of equipment like the Lenco BearCat, most of it is surplus they're getting for free from the Department of Defense.
Anonymous No.64220670 >>64225453
Even German terrorists appreciated it.
Anonymous No.64220675 >>64220787 >>64221027
>>64220668
>Except for law enforcement-exclusive pieces of equipment like the Lenco BearCat, most of it is surplus they're getting for free from the Department of Defense.

"Free MRAP" is the modern day equivalent of the White Elephant.

Storing, maintaining, and using these things isn't free and there's no reason to take responsibility for one of these things for like 99% of police departments.
Anonymous No.64220740 >>64220766
>>64220410
Cleaning is not hard. Changing of recoil springs and maintaining bolt gap will be the primary chores to upkeep an mp5. extractors, roller retaining plates, cocking handles If your slapping the shit out of it every time and maybe some rollers but otherwise they are pretty solid. I think hk said somewhere that barrel life is around 70k rounds. If you can afford to shoot that much id retire the gun and buy another. I dont know too much about mp5s and someone could say i have this fucked uo but ive been thinking of doing an frt ap5
Anonymous No.64220751 >>64220787
>>64220668
>getting for free from the Department of Defense.
No anon, they still have to pay for them. Its not free, and even then. Lets say your local police department got some apaches and an Abrahams from the DoD for free. What possible use would they have for them, and how much would it cost just to maintain them.
Anonymous No.64220756 >>64221040
>>64220665
This. Who thought it was a good idea to give cops that overpriced pos?
Anonymous No.64220766
>>64220740(me)
Meant to say Very occasionally in front of extractors, roller retaining plates….
Anonymous No.64220770 >>64220802
>>64220625
Is that a fucking semi auto MP7? Fuck Hk, man. Bong cops can get MP7s but not us? What a shit company
Anonymous No.64220784
>>64219691
>kevlar vests
Not even an issue on the civilian market

if they wanted to, they could use proper ammo piercing rounds
Anonymous No.64220787
>>64220675
>>64220751
my local sherrif got one, then tried to sell it on fb market for 100k. He got arrested petty quickly.
Anonymous No.64220802 >>64227732
>>64220770
>welcome to hk, civilian
>i hate you, give me money plz
Anonymous No.64220828 >>64227650
>>64220589
>Meanwhile in Germany
Anonymous No.64220886 >>64222998 >>64226769
>>64219685 (OP)
MP5's are cool
Anonymous No.64220907 >>64220934
>>64220557
ok retard you know theres no karma upboat coming your way for posting here you faggy tourist
Anonymous No.64220934
>>64220907
You're trying too hard to fit in.
Anonymous No.64220939
>>64220668
I want to steal left guy's look.
Anonymous No.64220968
>>64219685 (OP)
Okay tell us what the fuck else they should use?
Anonymous No.64221027
>>64220675
Yeah, and it turns out that there's a reason that those with the means and need would rather a purpose designed and built Bearcat over something that was designed mainly to survive IEDs on unpaved roads in the middle of nowhere too.
Anonymous No.64221040 >>64222534 >>64227784
>>64220665
>>64220756
HK was British owned for a while, '91 to '02. It's why they got the gig to un-fuck the L85. BAE probably gave them a better deal than HK would've normally, plus the usual cozy in-house defence ties and all that.
Anonymous No.64222085
Norway was also using them up until recently, it's been replaced with a DD4 M4A1 RIII now tough.
Anonymous No.64222534
>>64221040
Normal part of the kickback scheme is government employees, like military brass and whatever the britbong equivalent of DoD officials is retiring from public service and getting cushy do-nothing jobs in private industry after greasing the wheels for generous contracts.

What brit general ended up retiring and "consulting" for HK after this shit, I wonder.
Anonymous No.64222972 >>64225360 >>64225722 >>64225833
>>64219961
State Police always have the worst uniforms I swear to god…
Anonymous No.64222998
>>64220886
>captain rojas
mi amor
Anonymous No.64223009
>>64220649
Then you use more 9mm. It’s got a 30 round magazine and a full giggle switch.
Anonymous No.64223016
>>64219685 (OP)
Shit, if I was a cop and had the option, I’d carry an MP5 everywhere, too.
Anonymous No.64223036 >>64224522 >>64225459 >>64227653
>>64219685 (OP)
get with the times, gramps. MP5s are cool again and still pretty damn effective
Anonymous No.64224491
>>64219685 (OP)
The german police SEKs and normal police equipment differentiate between countries. The MP5 is currently being replaced by the MP7 in almost all german states. The patrol police has body armour and either an mp5/mp7 in the car. Bereitschaftspolizei and SEK tend towards a G36 or HK416 and the Blaser R93 Tactical as a sniper rifle - rarely the mp5/mp7 unless you are unlucky and underfunded.

The newer units even got the HK G28 instead of the Blaser R93 Tactical. So no even the germans are actively trying to get rid of the mp5.
Anonymous No.64224522 >>64225306
>>64223036
Please change the grip for the love of christ
Anonymous No.64224665
I want the FDE version.
Anonymous No.64224668
Anonymous No.64224811
>>64219685 (OP)
i saw a white house sec guard with one in 2012
Anonymous No.64225185
>>64219685 (OP)
Because there are still stocks of them in some german states and there is no need to replace them for regular squaddies and BePo.

>>64220388
The officers in OP are not SWAT, though.
Anonymous No.64225306
>>64224522
I got a Magpul Moe SL grip coming
Anonymous No.64225360
>>64222972
Compared to all black uni's that are prevalent I do enjoy the aesthetics of blue shirts.
Anonymous No.64225453
>>64220670
Fun fact: That's because the artist who drew that logo didn't know shit about guns. It was actually supposed to be an AK.
Anonymous No.64225459 >>64225931
>>64223036
looks like airshit
Anonymous No.64225722 >>64225770 >>64225794 >>64225806 >>64230159
>>64222972
NJ state police look like gestapo but blue.
Anonymous No.64225770 >>64225782
>>64225722
The line between soul and soulless is very thin.
Anonymous No.64225782 >>64225794 >>64225806 >>64227574
>>64225770
Forgot about pic related.
Anonymous No.64225794 >>64230283
>>64225722
>>64225782
I honestly love that they look like jackbooted police state thugs from some campy 1980s sci-fi schlock movie.
At least they aren't boring and generic uniforms.
Anonymous No.64225806
>>64225722
>>64225782
The patch is so shit though. That's the saddest J squeezed to fit.
Anonymous No.64225814
>>64220388
Don't they use the AUG? Our ordinary police have Zastava M70. Cheap and reliable, they don't use them much anyway. Also some mp5s. Swat either has g36 (short/ full length) or 416.
Anonymous No.64225833 >>64226024 >>64227641 >>64230267
>>64222972
Rhode Island state police got it right.
Anonymous No.64225839
>>64219961
I visited Germany back in May. One of the cops in the Frankfurt Airport had a MP5 with a B&T quad rail. Looked badass.
Anonymous No.64225849
>>64219685 (OP)
Their adversaries are 20 year old White kids that said nigger on the internet, so it doesn't really matter. They wont be sent up against a terrorist cell or something like that because it would be racist.
Anonymous No.64225892
Here in Finland police started to replace them with CZ scorpion Evos. Reasoning was that they are lighter and easier to fit with optical sights and lights. They are mostly used as a way for a patrol to deliver an incapacitating shot to a leg or arm so they want good single shot accuracy.

But there was also an odd reasoning in that the scorpion selector is easier to set into full auto too...
Anonymous No.64225907
>>64219685 (OP)
Judging by the rust, poverty. Besides all they're doing is pulling security so it's fine.
Anonymous No.64225931
>>64225459
and you're a retarded nigger
Anonymous No.64225937
>>64220589
>cop gets an MRAP. USA #1 baby.
Good. Every mrap the police have is one that can't be sent to second or third world shitholes like Europe and the Middle East. Plus we get to keep a huge stockpile of apcs should anyone get froggy.

Surplus equipment is one of the few things americans win on.
Anonymous No.64225951 >>64226151
>>64220633
>Job description is shooting 3 million rounds through MP5s
>Zero chance of you ever having to file paperwork on a discharge of firearm
>Actual cops do everything outside the gates and security which are completely isolated via thousands of acres of swamp criminals can't get past
>Only real responsibility is lost phones and walking "people" afraid of their coworkers to their car
>Bonus: may shoot an alien some day
Sounds like a dream job desu.
Anonymous No.64226024
>>64225833
Alternate universe Canadian Mounties.
Anonymous No.64226141
>>64219685 (OP)
>works well
>shoots bullets
>looks cool
I'm not seeing the problem
Anonymous No.64226151
>>64225951
Also it sounds really cool when you tell people about it, very important job benefit.
Anonymous No.64226201
>>64219685 (OP)
Is it broke? Why fix it?
Anonymous No.64226206 >>64226749
>>64220589
>Let me tell you about a country I've never been to
Anonymous No.64226749 >>64231111
>>64226206
Cops in a town not too far from me killed an old woman in 2023 when they ran her Subaru over with a department MRAP.

https://www.boston25news.com/news/25-investigates/25-investigates-marshfield-police-military-vehicle-involved-deadly-crash-one-few-state/

Marshfield, MA is a town with 25k population. How many IEDs are they encountering to justify an MRAP?
Anonymous No.64226761 >>64226823
Europeans have this rabid hatred of last round BHO, seems to be a major factor in their selection process
Anonymous No.64226769
>>64220886
cringe meprolight
Anonymous No.64226785
>>64219685 (OP)
If you have them in inventory why not use them?
Anonymous No.64226823
>>64226761
Does seem to be an odd preference. The 10mm and 40S&W versions made for the US Navy included LSBHO.

10mm out of the mp5 platform seems interesting to me. 10mm always struck me as more practical out of a PCC than out of a pistol, and the low recoiling, delayed blowback design of the mp5 seems a great candidate to take advantage of the extra power.
Anonymous No.64227339 >>64227769
>>64219685 (OP)
9mm is all you need to suppress timmies and protect PDFs and cannibals
Anonymous No.64227498 >>64228764
>>64219685 (OP)
depends on the job, for hostage situations they have snipers with DSR-1
Anonymous No.64227554 >>64227590
Funniest part is how the tooling is all Turkish since HK got rid of their German manufacturing
Anonymous No.64227574
>>64225782
Amazing there are this many White people
Anonymous No.64227590 >>64227784
>>64227554
why are you lying faggot
Anonymous No.64227641
>>64225833
Zamn is that a P2000?
Anonymous No.64227650 >>64230961
>>64220828
Ah, diversity.
Anonymous No.64227653
>>64223036
Hickok?
Anonymous No.64227681
>>64219978
Not just a foid but a goblina
>>64220557
Gtfo simp
Anonymous No.64227732
>>64220802
We don't call them Heebler&Kike for nothing
Anonymous No.64227769
>>64227339
True. Cooper load 10mm is the minimum to put down subsaharans (and they'd rather turn their guns on themselves than do such a thing)
Anonymous No.64227784
>>64227590
It's true, probably because of>>64221040
Anonymous No.64228286
>>64219859
>>64220546
it creates a viable method of control when one is panicked. rather than emptying the entire magazine, you only fire three rounds. rather useful for a police officer facing a threat.
Anonymous No.64228465 >>64228830
>>64219685 (OP)
All 9mm range toys get brutally mogged by an 11.5 pencil barrel AR
Anonymous No.64228764
>>64227498
As far as I know that's only used by the GSG9 not by any state SEK.
Anonymous No.64228793
>>64220410
Compared to ar? Sure. But everything is a bitch to disassemble and clean compared to ar.
Anonymous No.64228797 >>64228902 >>64231972 >>64231998
>>64220557
If by experience you mean holding it, then maybe...
Anonymous No.64228817 >>64230261 >>64231997
>>64219685 (OP)
Same reason why the US armed forces will never replace the AR platform.

A hypothetical scenario to make my point.
>have new rifle that beats the AR in everything
>fulfills every single requirement and then some
>cheaper to produce
>it's lighter with a magical caliber that allows soldiers to carry more rounds
>better ballistics than 5.56 at every distance
>parts are more durable and less prone to failure
>comes with universal attachment system that magically accepts everything
>it will never be adopted

Simply because, over the last 60 years, pretty much the whole system is built around the AR platform. What about the soldiers familiarity with the AR? You want to retrain a million people, from the quartermaster to the captains, on a new rifle? What about the whole supply chain? What about the manufacturers? And that's just the rifle. Same goes for that new caliber. And then the biggest hurdle of them all is the question: Is it worth it? Is the role of the AR in combat scenarios big enough that overhauling everything for an increase in performance is worth the, probably, decade long process? Imagine the herculean ordeal that was the m14 vs. m16 debacle, now multiply that by an order of magnitude. Even without the drama, lies and miscommunication. That will never happen again. The only rifle that would replace the m16 would be a tech jump to a laser weapon that doesn't need to be recharged in the field.
Anonymous No.64228830 >>64230014
>>64228465
nobody cares about your pencil dick gayr-15, faglord
Anonymous No.64228902
>>64228797
Polan why
Anonymous No.64229006
>>64219961
Please, get some new uniform hats, it's hard to take anyone serious who wears those.
Anonymous No.64230014
>>64228830
>eurosissies can't handle the tremendous recoil of 556
Anonymous No.64230159
>>64225722
Gestapo didn't wear uniforms, they were plaincloth police officers
Anonymous No.64230261
>>64228817
>Imagine the herculean ordeal that was the m14 vs. m16 debacle,
It wasn't. It was one dude telling the military they will adopt a weapon and that's what happened. All the testing where they wrecked the AR-15/AR-10 in testing was made irrelevant by one dues order.

I think we're pretty close to having that happen again. Certainly within my lifetime.
Anonymous No.64230267 >>64230338 >>64231134
>>64225833
>those fucking pants
What in the goddamn?
Anonymous No.64230270
>>64219731
YOU're not shooting real bullets.
Anonymous No.64230283
>>64225794
This. They got the aesthetic down to a tee. Even the goofy ass emblems fit perfectly.
Anonymous No.64230338
>>64230267
Cavalry pants.
Anonymous No.64230961 >>64231062
>>64227650
Chat, is this real?
Anonymous No.64231062
>>64230961
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karabiner_88
Anonymous No.64231111
>>64226749
>How many IEDs are they encountering to justify an MRAP?


Cops keep shitting on people like they are, more than zero, I suspect. Main points for an MRAP are probably the ballistic resistance, ability to carry a SWAT team close to a barricaded suspect, a stretcher on the floor for a wounded person, and the roof hatches offer cover for someone shooting gas into a structure. Probably a bit of off road capability to drive on someone's yard.
Anonymous No.64231125
I got to play with an mp5k and holy shit it was a lot heavier than I thought it would be.
Anonymous No.64231134
>>64230267
Those are breeches /his/let, and they are cool so shut your mouth.
Anonymous No.64231299
>>64219685 (OP)
It just werks.
MP5s on the moon as Adolf intended.
Anonymous No.64231947
>le daring synthesis
Anonymous No.64231972
>>64228797
>NO A WOMAN WOULD NEVER HAVE MORE EXPERIENCE THAN ME!
Anonymous No.64231997
>>64228817
>What about the soldiers familiarity with the AR? You want to retrain a million people?
The USP was meant for the US market, so the safety is up for safe, horizontal/middle for fire, since it emulates the 1911.

On the Bundeswehr P8 safe is down, fire is horizontal/up, because it emulates the old P1/P38.
Anonymous No.64231998
>>64228797
That's prison guards. They don't have a proper ceremonial unit I don't think. They just grabbed some some women they could find in the offices.
Anonymous No.64232098
>>64219685 (OP)
based beyond belief