Thread 64219685

>2025
>still using the MP5 as your primary special police weapon
Why are Germans like this?

>>64219685 (OP)
>does what it's supposed to do
>iconic
>German
>good
>people facing the barrel still do not wear kevlar vests
Why change?

Rule of cool, anon

>hardly ever have to shoot anyone
>when you do they're not wearing armor
>it looks cool
yeah

>>64219685 (OP)
They looks suspiciously fake or at least not shooting real bullets

>>64219685 (OP)
because it works you stupid american, its amazing how even with the 2nd amendment you know nothing about guns and their purpose.

>>64219685 (OP)
What would you use?

>>64219685 (OP)
Some also use MP7s, sometimes they even use the G36C, it all depends on situation and funding
>>64219786
true

>>64219685 (OP)
because no smg or pdw has ever surpassed it.
especially in this configuration
you could fire this in your backyard

>>64219685 (OP)
Because there has not been a better performing 9mm submachine gun produced since, there are like 6 gorillion of them, they last forever, have like zero recoil, and are less concussive than SBRs (which is important if you go inside buildings a lot), generations of cops have been trained on their manual of arms, and they still kill motherfuckers dead.

>>64219685 (OP)
MP5's are so accurate its practically cheating, decent bit of practice and they're a fucking laser pointer for bullets

>>64219830
The straight magazine makes it look kinda goofy. Almost like the UMP.
And why add a 3-burst trigger on a full auto?

>>64219685 (OP)
>it
>just
>works
And better than any other smg on the market, so why would they use anything else?

>>64219945
It's not optimal on buy rounds in counter strike (where OP learned about this gun) since T can wear armor.

>>64219685 (OP)
Because it's based, home-grown and genuinely a really good choice if they already have inventory of them.
Looks cool, famously reliable, regular 9mm variant is going to be plenty for 99% of situations police are even going to have to fire a weapon in, handling is great for close quarters, and as a bonus it doesn't look quite as imposing and militarised as if they were sitting around with SBRs or full sized rifles, because some places still worry about that kind of thing and wanting police to make people feel safer.
The real question is why wouldn't you use it? They'll have access to heavier weapons if they really need them anyway.

>>64219685 (OP)
It just works, OP.
Also reject modernity, embrace tradition.

>>64219961
>woman
yeah see no one here is even using the damn things they're just for show.

>>64219978
>Police weapon
>Just for show
That's usually what you hope to be the case, yes.

>>64219685 (OP)
Terrorists wear suicide vests, not kevlar.

>>64219978
Im sure they'll use them on you eventually, anon

>>64219685 (OP)
Those pants are suspiciously not tight, are you sure they are German police?
>patches
>ambulance
yes I see those, they could be on loan

>>64220205
Yes, there was a school knife attack in Essen today.
>https://www.flz.de/keine-weitere-gefahr-nach-angriff-auf-lehrerin-in-essen/cnt-id-ps-a1b95ac7-2606-4690-a8a3-7fab2a7f00c4

>>64219859
Germans

>>64219794
Our "SWAT" teams use a SBR.
I remember the 2020 Vienna terrior attack, where a lone gunman with a M70 Zastava was able to suppress large group of Austrian police officers armed with handguns and MP5. There were a lot of twitter videos before EU made them illegal to watch.
>https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_Vienna_attack

>>64219844
I've heard cleaning them and maintenance on them is a bitch tho. Is that BS, then?

>>64219685 (OP)
it just werks

>>64219685 (OP)
whats next you gonna try and harp on usa for sticking with 5.56x45 or slav countries for sticking with 7.62x39 or 5.45x39 ?

>>64219859
mother fuckers love options

>>64219978
she probably has more hours and experience with a weapon of that type than you do kiddo.

>>64219685 (OP)

This might sound strange to an American, where every podunk police department is bleeding the public white so that they can buy a bunch of shit they will never use, but it's good financial responsibility not to get rid of equipment that is still serviceable just because some salesman handed them the new catalog.

You can't have healthcare but every cop gets an MRAP. USA #1 baby.

UK police all seem to use MP7s for some reason

>>64219844
>senior security administrator and range master for the security contractor at NASA

I know types like this, they act like the greatest badasses around, but i assure you, this man has never fired a shot in anger

>>64219685 (OP)

Why is the MP5 no longer an optimal choice for law enforcement in your opinion?

>>64220635
Criminals are becoming more resistant to 9mm.

>>64220633
How many aliens have you shot? That’s what I thought

>>64220595

Coin flip whether this was the result of some misguided concern about the proliferation of body armor or a the result of some kickback scheme.

Cops with MP7s is prima facie evidence of public funds being mismanaged.

>>64220589
>every podunk police department is bleeding the public white so that they can buy a bunch of shit they will never use

Except for law enforcement-exclusive pieces of equipment like the Lenco BearCat, most of it is surplus they're getting for free from the Department of Defense.

Even German terrorists appreciated it.

>>64220668
>Except for law enforcement-exclusive pieces of equipment like the Lenco BearCat, most of it is surplus they're getting for free from the Department of Defense.

"Free MRAP" is the modern day equivalent of the White Elephant.

Storing, maintaining, and using these things isn't free and there's no reason to take responsibility for one of these things for like 99% of police departments.

>>64220410
Cleaning is not hard. Changing of recoil springs and maintaining bolt gap will be the primary chores to upkeep an mp5. extractors, roller retaining plates, cocking handles If your slapping the shit out of it every time and maybe some rollers but otherwise they are pretty solid. I think hk said somewhere that barrel life is around 70k rounds. If you can afford to shoot that much id retire the gun and buy another. I dont know too much about mp5s and someone could say i have this fucked uo but ive been thinking of doing an frt ap5

>>64220668
>getting for free from the Department of Defense.
No anon, they still have to pay for them. Its not free, and even then. Lets say your local police department got some apaches and an Abrahams from the DoD for free. What possible use would they have for them, and how much would it cost just to maintain them.

>>64220665
This. Who thought it was a good idea to give cops that overpriced pos?

>>64220740(me)
Meant to say Very occasionally in front of extractors, roller retaining plates….

>>64220625
Is that a fucking semi auto MP7? Fuck Hk, man. Bong cops can get MP7s but not us? What a shit company

>>64219691
>kevlar vests
Not even an issue on the civilian market

if they wanted to, they could use proper ammo piercing rounds

>>64220675
>>64220751
my local sherrif got one, then tried to sell it on fb market for 100k. He got arrested petty quickly.

>>64220770
>welcome to hk, civilian
>i hate you, give me money plz

>>64220589
>Meanwhile in Germany

>>64219685 (OP)
MP5's are cool

>>64220557
ok retard you know theres no karma upboat coming your way for posting here you faggy tourist

>>64220907
You're trying too hard to fit in.

>>64220668
I want to steal left guy's look.

>>64219685 (OP)
Okay tell us what the fuck else they should use?

>>64220675
Yeah, and it turns out that there's a reason that those with the means and need would rather a purpose designed and built Bearcat over something that was designed mainly to survive IEDs on unpaved roads in the middle of nowhere too.

>>64220665
>>64220756
HK was British owned for a while, '91 to '02. It's why they got the gig to un-fuck the L85. BAE probably gave them a better deal than HK would've normally, plus the usual cozy in-house defence ties and all that.

Norway was also using them up until recently, it's been replaced with a DD4 M4A1 RIII now tough.

>>64221040
Normal part of the kickback scheme is government employees, like military brass and whatever the britbong equivalent of DoD officials is retiring from public service and getting cushy do-nothing jobs in private industry after greasing the wheels for generous contracts.

What brit general ended up retiring and "consulting" for HK after this shit, I wonder.

>>64219961
State Police always have the worst uniforms I swear to god…

>>64220886
>captain rojas
mi amor

>>64220649
Then you use more 9mm. It’s got a 30 round magazine and a full giggle switch.

>>64219685 (OP)
Shit, if I was a cop and had the option, I’d carry an MP5 everywhere, too.

>>64219685 (OP)
get with the times, gramps. MP5s are cool again and still pretty damn effective

>>64219685 (OP)
The german police SEKs and normal police equipment differentiate between countries. The MP5 is currently being replaced by the MP7 in almost all german states. The patrol police has body armour and either an mp5/mp7 in the car. Bereitschaftspolizei and SEK tend towards a G36 or HK416 and the Blaser R93 Tactical as a sniper rifle - rarely the mp5/mp7 unless you are unlucky and underfunded.

The newer units even got the HK G28 instead of the Blaser R93 Tactical. So no even the germans are actively trying to get rid of the mp5.

>>64223036
Please change the grip for the love of christ

I want the FDE version.

>>64219685 (OP)
i saw a white house sec guard with one in 2012

>>64219685 (OP)
Because there are still stocks of them in some german states and there is no need to replace them for regular squaddies and BePo.

>>64220388
The officers in OP are not SWAT, though.

>>64224522
I got a Magpul Moe SL grip coming

>>64222972
Compared to all black uni's that are prevalent I do enjoy the aesthetics of blue shirts.

>>64220670
Fun fact: That's because the artist who drew that logo didn't know shit about guns. It was actually supposed to be an AK.

>>64223036
looks like airshit

>>64222972
NJ state police look like gestapo but blue.

>>64225722
The line between soul and soulless is very thin.

>>64225770
Forgot about pic related.

>>64225722
>>64225782
I honestly love that they look like jackbooted police state thugs from some campy 1980s sci-fi schlock movie.
At least they aren't boring and generic uniforms.

>>64225722
>>64225782
The patch is so shit though. That's the saddest J squeezed to fit.

>>64220388
Don't they use the AUG? Our ordinary police have Zastava M70. Cheap and reliable, they don't use them much anyway. Also some mp5s. Swat either has g36 (short/ full length) or 416.

>>64222972
Rhode Island state police got it right.

>>64219961
I visited Germany back in May. One of the cops in the Frankfurt Airport had a MP5 with a B&T quad rail. Looked badass.

>>64219685 (OP)
Their adversaries are 20 year old White kids that said nigger on the internet, so it doesn't really matter. They wont be sent up against a terrorist cell or something like that because it would be racist.

Here in Finland police started to replace them with CZ scorpion Evos. Reasoning was that they are lighter and easier to fit with optical sights and lights. They are mostly used as a way for a patrol to deliver an incapacitating shot to a leg or arm so they want good single shot accuracy.

But there was also an odd reasoning in that the scorpion selector is easier to set into full auto too...

>>64219685 (OP)
Judging by the rust, poverty. Besides all they're doing is pulling security so it's fine.

>>64225459
and you're a retarded nigger

>>64220589
>cop gets an MRAP. USA #1 baby.
Good. Every mrap the police have is one that can't be sent to second or third world shitholes like Europe and the Middle East. Plus we get to keep a huge stockpile of apcs should anyone get froggy.

Surplus equipment is one of the few things americans win on.

>>64220633
>Job description is shooting 3 million rounds through MP5s
>Zero chance of you ever having to file paperwork on a discharge of firearm
>Actual cops do everything outside the gates and security which are completely isolated via thousands of acres of swamp criminals can't get past
>Only real responsibility is lost phones and walking "people" afraid of their coworkers to their car
>Bonus: may shoot an alien some day
Sounds like a dream job desu.

>>64225833
Alternate universe Canadian Mounties.

>>64219685 (OP)
>works well
>shoots bullets
>looks cool
I'm not seeing the problem

>>64225951
Also it sounds really cool when you tell people about it, very important job benefit.

>>64219685 (OP)
Is it broke? Why fix it?

>>64220589
>Let me tell you about a country I've never been to

>>64226206
Cops in a town not too far from me killed an old woman in 2023 when they ran her Subaru over with a department MRAP.

https://www.boston25news.com/news/25-investigates/25-investigates-marshfield-police-military-vehicle-involved-deadly-crash-one-few-state/

Marshfield, MA is a town with 25k population. How many IEDs are they encountering to justify an MRAP?

Europeans have this rabid hatred of last round BHO, seems to be a major factor in their selection process

>>64220886
cringe meprolight

>>64219685 (OP)
If you have them in inventory why not use them?

>>64226761
Does seem to be an odd preference. The 10mm and 40S&W versions made for the US Navy included LSBHO.

10mm out of the mp5 platform seems interesting to me. 10mm always struck me as more practical out of a PCC than out of a pistol, and the low recoiling, delayed blowback design of the mp5 seems a great candidate to take advantage of the extra power.

>>64219685 (OP)
9mm is all you need to suppress timmies and protect PDFs and cannibals

>>64219685 (OP)
depends on the job, for hostage situations they have snipers with DSR-1

Funniest part is how the tooling is all Turkish since HK got rid of their German manufacturing

>>64225782
Amazing there are this many White people

>>64227554
why are you lying faggot

>>64225833
Zamn is that a P2000?

>>64220828
Ah, diversity.

>>64223036
Hickok?

>>64219978
Not just a foid but a goblina
>>64220557
Gtfo simp

>>64220802
We don't call them Heebler&Kike for nothing

>>64227339
True. Cooper load 10mm is the minimum to put down subsaharans (and they'd rather turn their guns on themselves than do such a thing)

>>64227590
It's true, probably because of>>64221040

>>64219859
>>64220546
it creates a viable method of control when one is panicked. rather than emptying the entire magazine, you only fire three rounds. rather useful for a police officer facing a threat.

>>64219685 (OP)
All 9mm range toys get brutally mogged by an 11.5 pencil barrel AR

>>64227498
As far as I know that's only used by the GSG9 not by any state SEK.

>>64220410
Compared to ar? Sure. But everything is a bitch to disassemble and clean compared to ar.

>>64220557
If by experience you mean holding it, then maybe...

>>64219685 (OP)
Same reason why the US armed forces will never replace the AR platform.

A hypothetical scenario to make my point.
>have new rifle that beats the AR in everything
>fulfills every single requirement and then some
>cheaper to produce
>it's lighter with a magical caliber that allows soldiers to carry more rounds
>better ballistics than 5.56 at every distance
>parts are more durable and less prone to failure
>comes with universal attachment system that magically accepts everything
>it will never be adopted

Simply because, over the last 60 years, pretty much the whole system is built around the AR platform. What about the soldiers familiarity with the AR? You want to retrain a million people, from the quartermaster to the captains, on a new rifle? What about the whole supply chain? What about the manufacturers? And that's just the rifle. Same goes for that new caliber. And then the biggest hurdle of them all is the question: Is it worth it? Is the role of the AR in combat scenarios big enough that overhauling everything for an increase in performance is worth the, probably, decade long process? Imagine the herculean ordeal that was the m14 vs. m16 debacle, now multiply that by an order of magnitude. Even without the drama, lies and miscommunication. That will never happen again. The only rifle that would replace the m16 would be a tech jump to a laser weapon that doesn't need to be recharged in the field.

>>64228465
nobody cares about your pencil dick gayr-15, faglord

>>64228797
Polan why

>>64219961
Please, get some new uniform hats, it's hard to take anyone serious who wears those.

>>64228830
>eurosissies can't handle the tremendous recoil of 556

>>64225722
Gestapo didn't wear uniforms, they were plaincloth police officers

>>64228817
>Imagine the herculean ordeal that was the m14 vs. m16 debacle,
It wasn't. It was one dude telling the military they will adopt a weapon and that's what happened. All the testing where they wrecked the AR-15/AR-10 in testing was made irrelevant by one dues order.

I think we're pretty close to having that happen again. Certainly within my lifetime.

>>64225833
>those fucking pants
What in the goddamn?

>>64219731
YOU're not shooting real bullets.

>>64225794
This. They got the aesthetic down to a tee. Even the goofy ass emblems fit perfectly.

>>64230267
Cavalry pants.

>>64227650
Chat, is this real?

>>64230961
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karabiner_88

>>64226749
>How many IEDs are they encountering to justify an MRAP?


Cops keep shitting on people like they are, more than zero, I suspect. Main points for an MRAP are probably the ballistic resistance, ability to carry a SWAT team close to a barricaded suspect, a stretcher on the floor for a wounded person, and the roof hatches offer cover for someone shooting gas into a structure. Probably a bit of off road capability to drive on someone's yard.

I got to play with an mp5k and holy shit it was a lot heavier than I thought it would be.

>>64230267
Those are breeches /his/let, and they are cool so shut your mouth.

>>64219685 (OP)
It just werks.
MP5s on the moon as Adolf intended.

>>64228797
>NO A WOMAN WOULD NEVER HAVE MORE EXPERIENCE THAN ME!

>>64228817
>What about the soldiers familiarity with the AR? You want to retrain a million people?
The USP was meant for the US market, so the safety is up for safe, horizontal/middle for fire, since it emulates the 1911.

On the Bundeswehr P8 safe is down, fire is horizontal/up, because it emulates the old P1/P38.

>>64228797
That's prison guards. They don't have a proper ceremonial unit I don't think. They just grabbed some some women they could find in the offices.

>>64219685 (OP)
based beyond belief

Why is that German police van colored like it sells ice cream?

>>64233616
The ambulance?
This is how police vans in Germany look.

>>64220635
That's one big chongus of a feline

>>64219685 (OP)
The MP5 is literally ok, add a proper LRBHO like on the MP5/10, and a red dot, and it'd be good for 50 more years.
It's a reliable and short CQB carbine which is very easy to shoot, that's good for SWAT work.

>>64219830
You can make an integrated can for the MP5SD which is much shorter and much quieter, in addition to adding a LRBHO to it, so outside of style points, I'd say there's still room for improvement.

>>64220589
I would be extremely surprised if mass migration hadn't hollowed out public gealthcare in Germany just like it has in other European countries with that problem.

Healthcare in America isn't fucked because their gov't isn't spending money on it, it's primarily fucked because their gov't hasn't outlawed various very obvious scams which their healthcare industry engages in.
Do you think an American gets a bill for $5000 for an ambulance ride because it ACTUALLY costs that much and they're just covering for it here in Europe, or do you think it's because they are allowed to charge that arbitrarily so that someone up the ladder can make themselves wealthy?

>>64220784
Also true. If you put the effort in, 9mm Luger can easily kick 4.6mm and 5.7mm's asses in both terminal ballistics and armor penetration.

Look at Swedish m/39B, that's pretty shit by modern standards because it's a bore raper, but it basically ignores soft armor and penetrates far deeper afterwards.
Or, indeed, those Liberty copper hollowpoints which just the same plows through IIIA armor with ease.

I would much rather have a B&T MP9 Pro, ir even some kind of modernized Calico M960A, either loaded with "cop killers" than I would a P90 or MP7,

>>64219685 (OP)
>shoots many booleet fast
>already paid for
>hardly ever get used on criminals
Gee, I dont know, anon.

>>64225722
This is somewhere right between based and cringe. I have to respect it, but begrudgingly.

>>64231997
They made the right choice for the USP. Excellent pistol.

>>64230261
The AR15 got in because it just about fucking aced actual field testing in Project AGILE (which is not the same thing as theil earlier AR10 testing), and also being quickly available in a time where they were STILL struggling to get M14 production actually going.

The XM7 is almost the opposite, they're buying and issuing them in spite of them doing absolutely horribly in the field, while the M4 is still easily available (and is comprehensively superior at a fraction of the cost).

>>64219685 (OP)
Because European police armories are flooded with them and unlike US police, they haven't been used as a dumping ground for GWOT military surplus. They're also not in the same sort of arms race with the people they police as American cops are.

>>64225849
>They wont be sent up against a terrorist cell or something like that because it would be racist.
but even if they were the mp5 is more than capable of the job

>>64220388
Suppression has nothing to do with caliber unless we're talking about cannons.

>>64240829
bro a 50cal can blow your arm off it it flies near you how more suppressed can you get???

>>64223036
>Cringy sci-fi slop
Back to Bluesky with you.

>>64224665
What the fuck is that optic? Did they make a weird custom housing for a red dot?

>>64225722
Appropriate, considering they’re the biggest collection of corrupt evil dicksucks this side of Israel.

A rifle that shoots pistol bullets is an anachronism, they still field them but nowhere that emphasizes stopping threats quickly over all other considerations. The gap between 9mm and rifle performance is just too large to ignore. It's a good gunko pop.

>>64241593
It's for police, not line infantry.

>>64230267
This nigga ain't know his jodhpurs

>>64219685 (OP)
in case you need to grip the steel and spin the Häuserblock

>>64225722
>>64225833
NH doesn't get mentioned when these other 2 are; it's also the better state to live in.

>>64230159
>Gestapo didn't wear uniforms, they were plaincloth police officers
they were part of the SS and could wear their grey-green service uniforms

>>64237594
big, but not heckin chungus big

>>64220589
>This might sound strange to an American, where every podunk police department is bleeding the public white so that they can buy a bunch of shit they will never use

The US actually tends to underfund our police departments. Guns and surplus MRAPs are relatively. When you look at the size of the country, the crime rate, and the population we fall behind other developed countries, particularly in rural areas.

>>64243506
The US insistence on having 30,000 law enforcement agencies for every state and none of them talking to each other is probably not helpful here. Average training time and required qualifications are way under a lot of other countries too.

>>64219685 (OP)
Let me guess, you NEED more?

>>64241593
You know I always thought the same thing hence my 10.5 and 7.5 AR barrels, but then they started supersafing MP5s and I started to come around to the idea of saving up for one. I live in the suburbs so I don't need the range for HD, 9mm magdump will pulverize the average aggressor as dead as .300 blk or .223 will, and it will do it more quietly with less hearing loss, concussion, barrier penetration and cost for about the same size package. AR still had some advantages as a platform but I'm seriously considering switching to an MP5 for HD

>>64219685 (OP)
>Why are Germans like this?
Because in this one specific thing they are based as fuck.

>>64220589
>You can't have healthcare but every cop gets an MRAP. USA #1 baby.
Stop perpetuating this bullshit
Americans spend more per capita on healthcare than us Euros but still get worse outcomes and care
This is a systems problem and not a spending problem
rest in piss brian thompson btw
Luigi Mangione is a hero, what he did was illegal but it was part of what is right

>>64243784
The difference in terminal effect between high and low velocity bullets is night and day. With good rifle bullet selection (bonded soft tip, etc) you pulverize the organs and cause widespread trauma severe enough to flip their light switch on contact, vs poking holes trying to directly hit something in the CNS to do the same thing with only the benefit of an expanded bullet diameter (if your mp5 will even run jhps). The only reason I would ever consider using a 9mm carbine for home defense would be if I were restricted from having a suppressor. For home defense purposes I want every advantage, so I use what every modern swat team uses when lives are on the line.

>>64243447
grey green is Ordnungspolizei, Gestapo would be wearing either standard black SS uniform or they would be plaincloth, however latter was wasn't as popular because Abwehr hated SS in plaincloth more than being on assingment in the eastern front

>>64220595
they have and use a lot of mp5s too, at least in the provinces

>>64244249
I largely agree, but you can make a subgun really short, even with a suppressor on, and it'll be hearing safe and not blasty.

You could make some sort of bullpup 9mm or .45 carbine with an integrated suppressor and it'd be smaller than any cut down service rifle. Meanwhile, a Mk.18 style AR15 with a 10.5" barrel will roar like a cannon, which is cool as a range toy, but less than perfect for home defense, you can put a can on it but it's gonna become as long as an M4A1 or 16" barreled carbine that way.

I'm not looking to argue that 5.56mm is bad for HD, because it's not, nor that compact pistol caliber carbines are categorically superior, because they aren't, but there are certain strengths in them which aren't easily reached with shortened down service rifles.

>>64224522
This is pure sex

>>64219685 (OP)
they use subsonic ammo with it to not pierce too many walls and not require ear protection so they can perform their duties they trained while using that exact gun

they wont change a thing about their preferences, the AP steel core ammo is available if required

>>64225782
When you put on the bw filter it makes it actually more cool. It gets better old school vibe.

>>64220886
>COPE

>>64220589
based